Sniping In The Ukraine

[LRRPF52]

We should get this back on-topic though.

It would be interesting to chase down the Lot numbers of ammunition found among Russian snipers who have been KIA’d, then trace it back to the contracts in the US where they originated. Then you could work the paper-trail forward from there, and identify more traitors.

 

[45-90]

Just one technology:
Russia and China Both, have figured out hypersonic missile flight...the US is yrs behind.
Raytheon worked on it for yrs, after their failure the contract was given over to Lockheed to see it they can stablize the rocket, as it begins to reach hypersonic speeds. But, they can not, the failed tests are on video.
Meanwhile the Russians are deploying and using them, very successfully...I've seen the videos of them being used. Yet ours are still in the development stage.
We gave them the hypersonic filght technology in the Obama/ Hillary Great Reset with Russia, and 28 Silcon Valley companies, participating in technology exchange with Russia.
Plus 20% of our Uranium, in the Uranium 1 scandle, for which the Clinton Foundation was paid $145million.
Just doing business.

 

[45-90]

Intel reports state it’s an anti-ship sub.

No nuclear weapons.

That's not the only Russian sub off the coast...and surely, hypersonic nuclear missiles are on board.
Plus surface warships carry hypersonic missiles with various war heads...they have already been deployed against targets. Speeds to 10 times the speed of sound.
Have you seen the speed and destruction on video used on a NATO military hardware supply Depot in Ukraine?
Totally destroyed over 500 personal killed. No rockets were deployed to stop it, as it hits the target before being detected on radar, and nothing can catch up with it.

One of the new Russian technologies is hiding their subs...we are behind here also.
Remember the US is behind in 19 of 23 new technologies, that is another critical one.
But we are way ahead of all, in diversity hires!...and that's most important to the Pentagon.

 

[mikeb127]

We should get this back on-topic though.

It would be interesting to chase down the Lot numbers of ammunition found among Russian snipers who have been KIA’d, then trace it back to the contracts in the US where they originated. Then you could work the paper-trail forward from there, and identify more traitors.

Wouldn't this be impossible if they take it out of the box before it's shipped to the front line?

Then there is also the whole 'Don't ask questions you don't want to know the answer to' thing. Sure, it may be some Russian intel/smuggling op. It may also be a vocal public Ukraine supporter related to the mic who sees it as an opportunity to make money by playing both sides. I would make sure I knew the answer before I asked the question in public......

 

[LRRPF52]

Just one technology:
Russia and China Both, have figured out hypersonic missile flight...the US is yrs behind.
Raytheon worked on it for yrs, after their failure the contract was given over to Lockheed to see it they can stablize the rocket, as it begins to reach hypersonic speeds. But, they can not, the failed tests are on video.
Meanwhile the Russians are deploying and using them, very successfully...I've seen the videos of them being used. Yet ours are still in the development stage.
We gave them the hypersonic filght technology in the Obama/ Hillary Great Reset with Russia, and 28 Silcon Valley companies, participating in technology exchange with Russia.
Plus 20% of our Uranium, in the Uranium 1 scandle, for which the Clinton Foundation was paid $145million.
Just doing business.

The US pioneered "hypersonic technology”, including manned flight in hypersonic air/space craft called the X-15 back in the 1960s.

The US has several hypersonic missile programs, which are superfluous to all our existing missile technologies and not really important. Hypersonic gets a lot of hype from people who have zero aerospace backgrounds and read stupid headlines or ignoramus social media posts and think they are being informed, but it’s just that, hype. Subsonic stealth cruise missiles are much more effective at reaching their targets because there is almost no reaction time to air defenders. Hypersonics create a large RCS and are easy to track and intercept for Patriot.

Correct on the Uranium One scandal, which was Putin’s nuclear revitalization efforts once he saw the sorry state of Russian nuclear capabilities. This is the least talked about geopolitical and military topic: What was Putin’s assessment of Russian nuclear capabilities once he assumed the Presidency in 2000? Whatever it was, he launched an effort to rebuild it, which required bribing the Clinton’s and Obama WH through the Biden crime family as intermediaries.

Hillary was SECSTATE first in the Obama WH, and the Clintons used Clinton Global Initiative to launder Putin’s money in-exchange for granting rights to Uranium mines in the US and Canada. Obama had to get his cut as well, which Biden was more than willing to do as long as he got his little mansions and Corvette.

 

[LRRPF52]

That's not the only Russian sub off the coast...and surely, hypersonic nuclear missiles are on board.
Plus surface warships carry hypersonic missiles with various war heads...they have already been deployed against targets. Speeds to 10 times the speed of sound.
Have you seen the speed and destruction on video used on a NATO military hardware supply Depot in Ukraine?
Totally destroyed over 500 personal killed. No rockets were deployed to stop it, as it hits the target before being detected on radar, and nothing can catch up with it.

One of the new Russian technologies is hiding their subs...we are behind here also.
Remember the US is behind in 19 of 23 new technologies, that is another critical one.
But we are way ahead of all, in diversity hires!...and that's most important to the Pentagon.

Imagine one of the only professional submariner forces in the world who train regularly, staffed with sub nerds who go to sleep at night dreaming about hunting down Russian and Chinese vessels and eliminating them for sport. Also imagine such a force with sensor networks and ocean floor mapping technology that rivals most of what the public has ever considered, now watching all the corridors into these spaces.

DEI is a Soviet active measures program designed to weaken the US, but the vast majority of military personnel are still doing their jobs, have superior weapons and training to anything Russia will ever have, and have been chewing at the bit to get it on.

The US is not behind in any technologies with Russia or any other nation. This is silly talk from people who have no idea what technologies the US has pioneered and led the way on for the past 120+ years.

If you had actually lived in Russia, you would laugh every time you heard such claims. If you spent a life doing technical and tactical exploitation of their trash, you would laugh even harder.

 

[45-90]

The US pioneered "hypersonic technology”, including manned flight in hypersonic air/space craft called the X-15 back in the 1960s.

The US has several hypersonic missile programs, which are superfluous to all our existing missile technologies and not really important. Hypersonic gets a lot of hype from people who have zero aerospace backgrounds and read stupid headlines or ignoramus social media posts and think they are being informed, but it’s just that, hype. Subsonic stealth cruise missiles are much more effective at reaching their targets because there is almost no reaction time to air defenders. Hypersonics create a large RCS and are easy to track and intercept for Patriot.

Correct on the Uranium One scandal, which was Putin’s nuclear revitalization efforts once he saw the sorry state of Russian nuclear capabilities. This is the least talked about geopolitical and military topic: What was Putin’s assessment of Russian nuclear capabilities once he assumed the Presidency in 2000? Whatever it was, he launched an effort to rebuild it, which required bribing the Clinton’s and Obama WH through the Biden crime family as intermediaries.

Hillary was SECSTATE first in the Obama WH, and the Clintons used Clinton Global Initiative to launder Putin’s money in-exchange for granting rights to Uranium mines in the US and Canada. Obama had to get his cut as well, which Biden was more than willing to do as long as he got his little mansions and Corvette.

You are incorrect...the X 15 was only supersonic...NOT HYPRTSONIC.
The US does not have a working Hypersonic anything to this date, every test has failed...look it up.
Russia was the first in 2018...
The X 15 was only 1 time faster than the speed of sound, hypersonic is 10 times faster than sound... big difference.
The US has been failing in every war since WW2.

Today, there is only a small industrial base, of what was a great manufacturing nation.

If it comes to all out war today, with China and Russia...we'd lose. That's not my opinion.

 

[ZY100]

North American X-15 - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[LRRPF52]

You are incorrect...the X 15 was only supersonic...NOT HYPRTSONIC.
The US does not have a working Hypersonic anything to this date, every test has failed...look it up.
Russia was the first in 2018...
The X 15 was only 1 time faster than the speed of sound, hypersonic is 10 times faster than sound... big difference.
The US has been failing in every war since WW2.

Today, there is only a small industrial base, of what was a great manufacturing nation.

If it comes to all out war today, with China and Russia...we'd lose. That's not my opinion.

Hypersonic is Mach 5+. X-15 was Mach 6+ and manned.

One of us spent decades at the USAF Flight Test Center involved in this type of work, and the other didn’t. Don’t step into a conversation about aerospace systems if you’re going to come this unprepared.

Russian hypersonic missiles use US-built circuit boards for guidance when the wreckages were recovered, and Patriot has been intercepting them even in auto mode. You absolutely can see them on SAM and other ISR Radar networks.

When I was a mere PFC in a line Infantry Platoon in the early 1990s, I was using better Radios and Brevity code discipline than Russian fighter pilots have been. That’s how bad Russia sucks at technology. We have listened to their traffic for many years prior to 2022 when they violate Finnish and other Baltic nation airspace, and they sound worse that new ROTC cadets on the radio, talking in open plain text with long pauses and fumbling speech. Total retards in that space.

You can’t have Russia leading in any technologies and also reliant on US and European ammunition manufacturers for their quality brass-cased sniper ammunition in the same breath.

This is a full-retard test guys.

 

[CaseFinder]

Lots of info....links would be nice....

 

[Mr.BR]

Imagine one of the only professional submariner forces in the world who train regularly, staffed with sub nerds who go to sleep at night dreaming about hunting down Russian and Chinese vessels and eliminating them for sport. Also imagine such a force with sensor networks and ocean floor mapping technology that rivals most of what the public has ever considered, now watching all the corridors into these spaces.

DEI is a Soviet active measures program designed to weaken the US, but the vast majority of military personnel are still doing their jobs, have superior weapons and training to anything Russia will ever have, and have been chewing at the bit to get it on.

The US is not behind in any technologies with Russia or any other nation. This is silly talk from people who have no idea what technologies the US has pioneered and led the way on for the past 120+ years.

If you had actually lived in Russia, you would laugh every time you heard such claims. If you spent a life doing technical and tactical exploitation of their trash, you would laugh even harder.

DEI is chosen tribe program

While you are correct Russians are mostly behind , you kinda expect that when CIA has about the equivalent of Russian defense budget.US has been spending on defense 10-12x per year for past 30+ years.

When it comes to electronics used in military tech you are looking at 80-90' high tech , nothing fancy , indeed at the start of the war electronics used lots of western components ,but its mostly due to convenience , why make own when numbers needed are rather small. 2y later most of the electronics are domestic, like said its not advanced chips like you have in the phone , military west or east is running 20-30+y old tech due to robustnes ,shielding etc . Remember self diving boeing was running 086 procesors codded in language no one does anymore.

One field where they are as advanced and in many cases ahead is nuclear simply because unlike most in the west their programs have not stopped vs no one built a power plant in past 30+years , and now in the west know how is retired or dead.

Similar in Nuclear weapons , US practicaly lost capacity to make nuclear pits
Every single US nuclear weapon made since cold war is a recycled from old cold war era nuke parts , When you read about new nuclear bomb being made know they tore apart an old one and repurposed most of it to make new , most cruicial are the pits that you can only store so long and many are aproaching or past due date..

Nuclear pits are all old as the production was shut down. If i would be a betting man i would be willing to bet a noticable part of US nuclear arsenal are duds at this time and it will take some time before things are upgraded.
Russian Nuclear arsenal is all post cold war and in some cases on second post cold war gen.

https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/plutonium-pit-production

These are same as in US subs.

 

[45-90]

The NEW hypersonic Russian missiles are twice as fast as the old X15, ...which is in a museum somewhere.
That is old technology, not even considered hypersonic by today's definition.

 

[45-90]

The Russian hypersonic missiles are not like the 50 plus foot ICBM that go hundreds of miles high, in 3 rocket stages to reach their high speed at altitude and reentry.
Or the old slow X-15 that needs very high altitude to reach those speeds low Mach 5 speeds, of yesteryear.
The Russians hypersonic can zip along the ocean at mach 10, at low altitude where radar can not detect them, and strike an aircraft carrier before it knows its under attack.
So they say... but they are working.
I have seen videos of their strikes in Ukraine, and they are accurate and deadly with conventional war heads.
Unlike some if the Lockheed, Raytheon, and Boeing products as of late.

 

[rtB]

I have seen videos of their strikes in Ukraine, and they are accurate and deadly with conventional war heads.
Unlike some if the Lockheed, Raytheon, and Boeing products as of late.

Leave Boeing out of it, their products are pretty deadly as of late.

 

[LRRPF52]

The NEW hypersonic Russian missiles are twice as fast as the old X15, ...which is in a museum somewhere.
That is old technology, not even considered hypersonic by today's definition.

Hypersonic is not a time period-based definition, it’s physics and velocities over Mach 5.

One of the main challenges with hypersonics is coefficient of thermal expansion and thermal gradients across the vehicle structure. The leading edges super-heat, while the body slowly rises in temperature. This creates expansion of the leading edges at much higher rates than the rest of the vehicle, then radiates heat into the electronics, warhead, and propulsion where that isn’t helpful. Shielding to mitigate these effects robs the warhead and propulsion of mass.

It requires a lot of money wasted for no real capability over VLO cruise missiles. Cruise missile going along at Mach .85 to .95 have plenty of surprise and lack of reaction time for defenders, and are not prone to intercept. Storm Shadow, JASSM, SCALP, and other weapons of this type are far more effective in cost per results on-target, whereas hypersonics have a lot of risk to loss of the missile itself in flight due to thermodynamics and significant investment for lesser payloads to arrive on-target.

Especially when you try to "brunt force" through the thick air at lower flight levels and high atmospheric density, you increase risk to missile destruction. It’s more of a vanity project to claim some type of superiority where none exists. Russia has always been enamored with vanity projects like Sputnik, Buran, Hypersonics, and now Su-57.

The one exception for hypersonics is for anti-AWACS weapons employment profiles, but the US is moving away from AWACS due to 5th Gen revolution and the networked data link space that provides vastly-superior SA than AWACS are able to. AWACS already maintain stand-off due to increased weapons reach, though Russia is learning this lesson the hard way for their own A-50M platforms.

Russia lacks a robust semiconductor industry, since they have relied on antiquated electronics in the Soviet times based on older copies of even older US systems, then stagnated during the Yeltsin years, while imposing COTS options that could be repurposed in the grey market electronics space. Hence the theft of washing machines and importation schemes for breast pumps through Turkey and Armenia.

I would not run my mouth about hypersonics if you don’t even know what they are, have no aerospace background, or applied physics in this space. It requires many years of study and exposure to the various subsystems that are guarded in very low density communities. The new era of retards on YouTube looking for click counts are in-error as the norm when they post their stupid videos, but ignoramuses gobble it up like it’s some type of revelation. Russian propaganda is several orders lower than those videos.

 

[LRRPF52]

DEI is chosen tribe program

While you are correct Russians are mostly behind , you kinda expect that when CIA has about the equivalent of Russian defense budget.US has been spending on defense 10-12x per year for past 30+ years.

When it comes to electronics used in military tech you are looking at 80-90' high tech , nothing fancy , indeed at the start of the war electronics used lots of western components ,but its mostly due to convenience , why make own when numbers needed are rather small. 2y later most of the electronics are domestic, like said its not advanced chips like you have in the phone , military west or east is running 20-30+y old tech due to robustnes ,shielding etc . Remember self diving boeing was running 086 procesors codded in language no one does anymore.

One field where they are as advanced and in many cases ahead is nuclear simply because unlike most in the west their programs have not stopped vs no one built a power plant in past 30+years , and now in the west know how is retired or dead.

Similar in Nuclear weapons , US practicaly lost capacity to make nuclear pits
Every single US nuclear weapon made since cold war is a recycled from old cold war era nuke parts , When you read about new nuclear bomb being made know they tore apart an old one and repurposed most of it to make new , most cruicial are the pits that you can only store so long and many are aproaching or past due date..

Nuclear pits are all old as the production was shut down. If i would be a betting man i would be willing to bet a noticable part of US nuclear arsenal are duds at this time and it will take some time before things are upgraded.
Russian Nuclear arsenal is all post cold war and in some cases on second post cold war gen.

https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/plutonium-pit-production

These are same as in US subs.

Have you ever even looked at how many nuclear reactors the US has spread across the Nation?

Russia will never have a small fraction of those, so nuclear materials capacity is like everything else when comparing the 2 nations, night and day. Same for highway mileage, rail, airports, sea ports, connected river networks, arable farmland, etc.

If someone in the Russian propaganda space is talking about reduced nuclear capacity for the US and superior capacity for Russia, they are simply ignorant of the basic facts.

Here are Russia’s reactors, nuclear weapons storage facilities, test sites, research sites, and command & control sites:

Full interactive map is here.

My family was part of the base exchange program with Russia during Nunn-Lugar. Nunn-Lugar exposed what a con game was being played with Russian nukes, nuclear storage, nuclear security, maintenance, and delivery systems capabilities.

 

[45-90]

Hypersonic is an old term but mach 5 at high altitude today....is slow...cause the Russian are doing mach 10 in low altitude, so missile can sneak under radar.
And the US can not figure out how to do it for this application...for many years, now and billions spent, Raytheon just lost the government contract to Lockheed last test the rocket launch was again unsuccessful.
So here is the headline....the Air Force scrapped the ARRW hypersonic missile program... and will work on cruise missile mach 5 missiles instead.
Meanwhile the Russians are running mach 10 with the ARRW missiles the US has given up on.

 

[45-90]

Have you ever even looked at how many nuclear reactors the US has spread across the Nation?

Russia will never have a small fraction of those, so nuclear materials capacity is like everything else when comparing the 2 nations, night and day. Same for highway mileage, rail, airports, sea ports, connected river networks, arable farmland, etc.

If someone in the Russian propaganda space is talking about reduced nuclear capacity for the US and superior capacity for Russia, they are simply ignorant of the basic facts.

Here are Russia’s reactors, nuclear weapons storage facilities, test sites, research sites, and command & control sites:

Full interactive map is here.

My family was part of the base exchange program with Russia during Nunn-Lugar. Nunn-Lugar exposed what a con game was being played with Russian nukes, nuclear storage, nuclear security, maintenance, and delivery systems capabilities.

I worked refuling Nuclear reactors, and personally spent 15 yrs on weapons grade reactors, making 75% of the bomb material for all US nuclear weapons.
Mostly the N reactor, which was stopped in 1985, and torn down. There were 9 reactors along the Columbia river, at Hanford Nuclesr Reservation...where one of the bombs dropped on Japan was made in the old B reactor now a museum, like the X-15.

It appears you know little about Nuclear reactors....all of those dots are commercial nuclear reactors for electricity production, the material cannot explode...but is radioactive.
There still may be a weapons grade nuclear production at Savanah River. Most everything else is in weapons is shut down.
Also there are 6 missing nuclear weapons reported lost in plane crashes. One is at the bottom in 25 ft of mudd somewhere off the coast of Savanah River.
Some have been found after the crash with 4 of the 6 nuclear triggers tripped....before the explosion.
We have been lucky
Found a personal letter dated 1991 for completing one of many emergency jobs for Westinghouse Nuclear, for their Hanford Nuclear site.
It has proprietary detail I did not disclose.
I also invented an end cap that could be successfully used to pull spent fuel rods from the reactor core, for Westinghouse Nuclear.

 

[LRRPF52]

One of my uncles worked at Hanford, died of cancer in 2003. The US produced thousands of warheads and still has production capacity. I know the basics and intermediate level technical details about reactors, reactor types, what they do, how they work, how they’re cooled/controlled, and especially the difference between power plants and enrichment/weapons production, though it is not my area of main study.

We learned that like everything else with the Soviets, it was a lot of hype and 10ft tall gorilla posters, with not much to back up their claims in reality. Look at availability rates for SLMBs, strategic bombers, ICBMs, storage, security, maintenance, training, accountability, personnel selection, etc. There is a whole different story that emerges once you see behind their curtain, and they are retarded slav-squat joke.

Where they had to place their efforts was in political subterfuge, disinformation, class warfare, ideological warfare, exploitation, and what they called Active Measures.

Russia and the Soviets worked hard through the mole network of plants and traitors within the US to reduce our arsenal, including with the cheap pedophile Joe Biden they got into the Senate in 1972. After he went immediately on the attack of the B-1A program until its cancellation in 1977 under Carter and CIA Director Stansfield Turner (who had been recruited into the Agency by one of the original double agents from the 1940s), the Soviets re-tasked Biden and others with championing SALT II, while they tried to catch up.

Look at the history of their reactor accidents and reports prior to the accidents. They aren’t mentally fit to operate them.

 

[ken226]

This is why Ukrainians sided with the Nazis when they came through as liberators during WWII, which anyone here would have done as well with Stalin’s artificial famine imposed on them fresh in their minds.

A Google lens search of that image indicates that it is from the Bengal famine, in India, not Ukraine.

Bengal Famine | World War Two Photographs

worldwartwopix.com

 

[79steeler]

45-90, I don't know jack shit about any of this shit. I hear you spewing all this crap about how Russia is the greatest military in the world with all their fancy hypersonic missiles, blah, blah, blah. But here is what I do know, they can't take over Ukraine and have been bogged down in war with a third world country for 3 years and made only marginal progress. If their weapons are so great and their hypersonic missiles can't be shot down then how is this possible???
Sounds to me like you should move to Russia and lick Putins boots since you're so in love with him and Russian technology! For Godsake man renounce your American citizenship and move to Russia and jack off to Russian hypersonic missile porn!

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

Their hypersonic weapons get shot down.

 

[LRRPF52]

A Google lens search of that image indicates that it is from the Bengal famine, in India, not Ukraine.

Bengal Famine | World War Two Photographs

worldwartwopix.com

Fixed it. For some reason, that came up in an image search for the Holodomor, so I found another image.

During the Holodomor, there was a black market for human flesh from corpses, since the people weren’t allowed to eat their own crops and would be shot if caught even sneaking a morsel. This was while Stalin’s men forced them to continue to till the earth and harvest the wheat.

People started eating corpses and children since they had seen how children didn’t do well with starvation. These are key details that the little man Putin left out in his lengthy recollection of Ukrainian-Russian history, where he basically asserted that Ukraine isn’t even a political entity and was always Russia’s. That’s interesting, since when I was in Moscow, I took photos of their statue of Yuri Dolgoruki, the Kievan Rus Prince who founded Moscow and fortified it.

Here’s how they remember the history of how fascist Finland invaded poor Russia. I took this photo in the Central Red Army War Museum:

This is how young Putin learned history of all the evil nations that have attacked Russia throughout its history. His understanding of the world is built on Soviet-era “education”, and since he was with KGB, he understands that his informatsia is far superior to anyone else’s. There isn’t anything you can do to teach him the truth because he already knows in his mind.

Here’s one of their sniper rifle displays from The Great Patriotic War:

 

[Emerson0311]

45-90, I don't know jack shit about any of this shit. I hear you spewing all this crap about how Russia is the greatest military in the world with all their fancy hypersonic missiles, blah, blah, blah. But here is what I do know, they can't take over Ukraine and have been bogged down in war with a third world country for 3 years and made only marginal progress. If their weapons are so great and their hypersonic missiles can't be shot down then how is this possible???
Sounds to me like you should move to Russia and lick Putins boots since you're so in love with him and Russian technology! For Godsake man renounce your American citizenship and move to Russia and jack off to Russian hypersonic missile porn!

NATO is at war with Russia. Ukraine lost a long time ago.

 

[eca7891]

Hypersonic is an old term but mach 5 at high altitude today....is slow...cause the Russian are doing mach 10 in low altitude, so missile can sneak under radar.
And the US can not figure out how to do it for this application...for many years, now and billions spent, Raytheon just lost the government contract to Lockheed last test the rocket launch was again unsuccessful.
So here is the headline....the Air Force scrapped the ARRW hypersonic missile program... and will work on cruise missile mach 5 missiles instead.
Meanwhile the Russians are running mach 10 with the ARRW missiles the US has given up on.

This dude is a plant of some sort.

Nice try though.

 

[LRRPF52]

NATO is at war with Russia. Ukraine lost a long time ago.

Let’s see. Russia surrounded Ukraine from Belorussia, the Russian border, Moldova, the Sea of Asov, and Crimea from Jan 2021-Feb 2022 after Biden assisted them with their economy (killed Keystone pipeline, took oil back up to over $100/barrel to help grow Russian revenue).

Everyone looking at the imagery wrote Ukraine off before Putin kicked-off the “SMO”. Russia took a lot of ground initially, was unable to seize Kiev, had their VDV and armor columns repelled who were tasked with taking Kiev, Ukraine used the Javelins (from Trump WH) and other anti-tank weapons in inventory to plink Russian tanks for sport, and things fell apart quickly for the whole invasion.

Since then, Russia lost the ground they took with movement of the lines back to basically being in Donbas region again, on their heels in Crimea eating long range missiles on their airfields, Sam sites, munitions bunkers, and pilot barracks, multiple attacks on the Crimean bridge shutting down its logistics flow capacity, lost their flagship of the Black Fleet because its air defense systems weren’t even close to operational, have lost, had destroyed, damaged, abandoned, or captured 3 AWACS, 118 aircraft, 3139 tanks, 1402 Armored Fighting Vehicles, 280 Command Post/C3 stations, 514 engineering vehicles, 376 towed artillery, 766 self-propelled artillery, 137 helicopters, 26 ships/submarine, and 3351 trucks/vehicles/jeeps.

Have you looked at a map lately of where the Russian-controlled territory is? This is not what we call “winning". This is called losing slowly and throwing bodies and material at the problem in hopes of out-lasting their opponent, but now long-range weapons are reaching deep into Russia and are eliminating critical systems 589km from the front, that Russia can’t afford to lose, especially Su-57s and MiG-31BMs.

Now they’re placing tires on the wings of Tu-95 Bear strategic bombers in hopes to minimize damage from drone strikes on them because they never could afford to build hardened aircraft shelters for their Air Force.

This is not what you call winning.

 

[mikeb127]

PSA: any chance of you guys taking this over to the other Ukraine thread dedicated to arguing about who's winning and stop messing up this one?

 

[BobKaare]

45-90, I don't know jack shit about any of this shit. I hear you spewing all this crap about how Russia is the greatest military in the world with all their fancy hypersonic missiles, blah, blah, blah. But here is what I do know, they can't take over Ukraine and have been bogged down in war with a third world country for 3 years and made only marginal progress. If their weapons are so great and their hypersonic missiles can't be shot down then how is this possible???
Sounds to me like you should move to Russia and lick Putins boots since you're so in love with him and Russian technology! For Godsake man renounce your American citizenship and move to Russia and jack off to Russian hypersonic missile porn!

Afghanistan
20 years
Lost

 

[Doc68]

Afghanistan
20 years
Lost

Truth....

Iraq also, Vietnam, first gulf war, Korea...

War on drugs
War on poverty

Added a few of my own.

Doc

 

[LRRPF52]

Afghanistan
20 years
Lost

Afghanistan was a strategic trap for the US and we walked right into it. It was to distract the US for as long as possible while China and Russia re-built their militaries. It took the focus away from Europe and PACOM where it needed to be, and cost the Nation $955 Billion:

The Russian plan was to elevate as many of the moles planted within the US government and DoD over the years to increase energy prices for the US and Europe with regulations, which would bolster revenue for Russia and facilitate economic growth for rebuilding of the broken, dilapidated, obsolete weapons and equipment. Russia needs the WTI at $100/bbl to have sustainable economic growth.

China’s plan was to revitalize its military as well, but they wanted lower energy prices since they import most of their energy from the Persian Gulf region and have very limited domestic production. Even with China negotiating deals with Russia, Putin could never satisfy China’s demand for energy.

The European’s plan and IMF needed the Opium money revenue to keep banks solvent, so when the Taliban banned opium cultivation in early 2001, the writing was already on the wall for using US forces to intervene on-behalf of the actual money sectors. After the Global Financial Crisis of 2008, the IMF openly admitted that they were bailing out European banks with Afghan opium money. I did a research project on it from 2009-2010 and was surprised to find that admission.

We could go on and on about Afghanistan, but what does this have to do with Putin’s long plan to invade Ukraine, aside from the strategic distraction meant to weaken US war-fighting capacity and public interest in foreign conflicts?

 

[LRRPF52]

Truth....

Iraq also, Vietnam, first gulf war, Korea...

War on drugs
War on poverty

Added a few of my own.

Doc

The Gulf War/Operation Desert Storm was the most decisive military victory in the 20th Century.

Don’t let mongoloid Russian propaganda cloud any type of messaging. These guys were forcibly inbred with Mongols for 250 years, then subjected to a Century of generational brain drains throughout the 1900s and now into the 21st Century. Their perspective on their own history is so convoluted and unrecognizable next to the truth. Their opinions on any foreign nations are laughable if you ever get a chance to watch their TV and talking head puppets. They make CNN seem like a legitimate news source, and CNN is nothing of the sort as we all know.

 

[Doc68]

The Gulf War/Operation Desert Storm was the most decisive military victory in the 20th Century.

Don’t let mongoloid Russian propaganda cloud any type of messaging. These guys were forcibly inbred with Mongols for 250 years, then subjected to a Century of generational brain drains throughout the 1900s and now into the 21st Century. Their perspective on their own history is so convoluted and unrecognizable next to the truth. Their opinions on any foreign nations are laughable if you ever get a chance to watch their TV and talking head puppets. They make CNN seem like a legitimate news source, and CNN is nothing of the sort as we all know.

I was referring to the part where we left Iraq standing instead of leveling it also when we had the chance to. But then I guess we would have never been able to have OIF which had nothing to do with 9-11.

Doc

 

[mosin46]

This thread isn’t for that, but I can break down how you’re simply opposite of most of the facts:

You are correct in stating that Russia is corrupt, very corrupt down to the local level and among the people, because of how broken their infrastructure and society are under centuries of Tsars and after adopting atheism as the state religion during the Soviet times. They are one of the most corrupt nations in any international rating index. The way basic services and supply happen in Russia are through strange back-handed deals, benefits of who you know, or straight-up abuse of power.

Russians are inherently reckless people who have surrendered to the idea of a bad life due to poor geography, weather, and internal security apparatus designed to protect them from invaders who want to take back all the territory Russians have stolen from every single nation that borders them. They aren’t political, but know collectively they have to support whoever their current dictator or Tsar is, or suffer the brutal consequences. I lived there and can tell you they are not like other people. Human life is not valued the same in Russia as in the Western world. It’s more Asiatic, after they were ruled and raped by Mongols for 250 years.

US was allied with the USSR in WWII, which included Ukraine. One of the first official moves the Marxist FDR made upon assuming the US Presidency in 1933 was recognizing Stalin and the Communists as the leaders of Russia and Ukraine, not the legitimate Russian Nationalists. The Russian Holodomor Genocide against Ukraine was still ongoing, devolving into necrophagy after millions were forcibly starved to death on their own lands. This is one of the main motivating factors in Ukrainian independence.

This is why Ukrainians sided with the Nazis when they came through as liberators during WWII, which anyone here would have done as well with Stalin’s artificial famine imposed on them fresh in their minds.

As to mineral and oil deposits: Kharkiv has huge oil fields that were recently rediscovered, and they also discovered large fields right off the coast of Odessa. This threatened Russia’s sole provider status through the pipelines that already ran through northwest Ukraine, so Putin worked hard to suppress the development of these fields with his puppet, Yanukovych.

Putin also used Ukraine for laundering money into his own offshore bank accounts, and into the shell companies of the Clintons, Kerrys, Obamas, and Bidens. Burisma was a money-laundering apparatus for human and sex-trafficking, posing as a small energy company. When Putin lost his puppet Yanukovych in 2014, he had already laid the preparations for blocking the ensuing investigations into Burisma by bribing Vice President Biden and SECSTATE John Kerry using one of his billionaire oligarchs, Elena Baturina, to wire $3.5 million to Rosemont Seneca.

This is one of the biggest scandals in US history that isn’t being covered properly in any media because Americans are largely ignorant of foreign affairs, and can’t see past partisan lenses. There are also a lot of people on both sides of the aisle who have benefitted financially from money-laundering and investments with insider-trading deals that were built to insulate Putin and his accomplices in US political circles from being exposed.

The US doesn’t need oil in Ukraine since we are energy-independent and a net exporter of refined petroleum. Any claims of US interests in minerals or resources in Ukraine are minuscule in comparison to Russian imperatives to control those resources.

Ukraine themselves voted by 79% to open more trade relations with Europe, not be stuck under Russia’s boot. That was in 2013, and then Putin’s puppet Yanukovych signed onto Putin’s Russia-Eurasia Economic Pact. That’s what triggered the Euromaiden protests for 4 months until Yanukovych fled back to Putin. There was no coup, as Russians claim.

Then the money started flowing to Vice President Biden’s crackhead son Hunter, who had just been kicked out of Navy for pissing hot on a urinalysis for cocaine (piss test was 2013, kicked out in 2014). The shell company that Putin’s oligarch wired the money to was Rosemont Seneca, also headed by SECSTATE John Kerry’s stepson, Chris Heinz.

Putin didn’t want his Burisma front company investigated under a regime in Kiev that he could not control, so the long-time traitor Biden and Kerry families were front-and-center willing to use their children as intermediaries to insulate their daddy’s.

Once Poroshenko was elected, he appointed a prosecutor named Viktor Shokin to head-up the anti-corruption cases of his predecessor, who wasn’t allowed to let things progress along their natural paths.

Notice who fought hard to get Shokin fired? Vice President Joe Biden, Obama, the European Central Bank, IMF, and Putin. If you study the Panama Papers, you will see what’s actually going on in the world of criminal elite financiers and their offshore accounts.

Poroshenko didn’t want to fire Shokin because he knew Shokin was trustworthy and would do a great job of finding the criminals involved in pilfering the Ukrainian economy, subverting its government, and keeping it depressed under Russian rule. As a result, there was a sniper assassination attempt on Shokin, but his ballistic windows in his office protected him from being hit. Biden then made the famous threats of withholding $1 Billion in US/IMF aid to Ukraine unless Poroshenko fired Shokin, and Shokin was officially let go but covertly allowed to continue the investigation into Burisma. Then he was poisoned. These facts are absent any of the mainstream coverage of Viktor Shokin, but when you put it all together, it paints a very clear picture of what is happening.

The main conspirators in all of this are:

Vladimir Putin, George Soros, Barrack Obama, Joe Biden, John Kerry, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Hunter Biden, Chris Heinz, James Biden

Putin paid millions into the above people’s shell companies and accounts in exchange for access to nuclear materials in the Uranium One scandal with the Clintons and Obama/Biden WH, millions into the accounts of John Kerry and the Bidens for Burisma, and I suspect that there are conspirators providing shipments of actively-produced US war material to Russia as we speak.

How else would pallets of Hornady precision ammunition show up to Russia for their Snipers? Hornady isn’t doing that. Someone is purchasing large quantities and shipping it under some type of official cover and getting it into Russia with the blessing of operatives inside the Biden Commerce Dept. There are very tight controls on freight, especially ammunition. It has to be shipped with Shipper’s Declaration of Dangerous Goods with lots of forms and inspections by off-loaders and onloaders at any transport hubs, whether by air or sea.

very informative. never been to russia,known very few. have gotten any knowledge from 40+? books on 20th cent hx with russia being a factor in most. what you say has authentic ring to it. your sources? sort of opposite of many i follow on this topic. one question is that why would obama,biden,clinton soros,gates,nato et al fund an anti putin war? ukrainian rescources? protect biden corruption? some say because he is not down with woke perversion. i do see putin using the same tricks stalin did to get the country behind his war. yes orthodox church,mother russia,nkvd terror,xenophobia etc. so that fits. i also understand russia hatred in baltic,balkans,poland and esp ukraine. goes back 100 years. russia has been our enemy since 1917 and has done a good job destroying and corrupting our system. however,i see no need to fund or participate in a war in eastern europe and take a real risk of a nuc war. even if you are correct re russia's nuc inferiority,any risk of that is insane. there is no gain for us in another,this time likely last,war. we have no need to be involved with anywhere in europe. i do not subscribe to the idea that putin is trying to resurect the tarist/ussr empire. it doesn't seem that he is that crazy and is aware that that is just not possible. there were some agrrements in place to prevent this kind of actiontotally by the west. so what say you?

 

[pmclaine]

Afghanistan
20 years
Lost

Truth....

Iraq also, Vietnam, first gulf war, Korea...

War on drugs
War on poverty

Added a few of my own.

Doc

The government………doing for military service what they did for vaccines.

 

[BobKaare]

Afghanistan was a strategic trap for the US and we walked right into it. It was to distract the US for as long as possible while China and Russia re-built their militaries. It took the focus away from Europe and PACOM where it needed to be, and cost the Nation $955 Billion:

Not too different to the situation Russia faces with Ukraine.
But unlike you, and later us getting dragged there by you, they seem to handle it pretty well for what it is.
Hell, we are officially not at war, and we are on the way to getting even more fucked over Ukraine than Afghanistan, at least financially.
For what?

 

[LRRPF52]

Not too different to the situation Russia faces with Ukraine.
But unlike you, and later us getting dragged there by you, they seem to handle it pretty well for what it is.
Hell, we are officially not at war, and we are on the way to getting even more fucked over Ukraine than Afghanistan, at least financially.
For what?

I never dragged anybody anywhere, so not sure what you’re talking about.

After the collapse, Russia has been struggling to control Ukraine with puppets in Kiev, moles, plants, ethnic Russians moved more and more into Krim, and then tried to bully Ukraine into going along with the Russia-Eurasia Economic Pact that Yanukovych signed in late 2013. That’s what triggered Euromaiden, because 79% of Ukrainians voted to trade with Europe, not Russia. They watched Poland’s economy grow 6-fold since 1991, while they suffered under Putin’s puppets, pilfering their revenue and resources, laundering money through Burisma, all with the help of various US White Houses until Trump came along.

Obama/Bidens/Clintons were laundering Putin’s money through various fronts, which is why crackhead Hunter Biden was placed on the board of Burisma in May 2014 and Obama himself told UK Prime Minster David Cameron to release former Burisma CEO’s $15 million in Sep 2014, and shut down the investigation into Zlochevsky. Our UK partners were incensed because they had the case investigated well, ready to issue arrest orders. Zlochevsky instead relaxed in Monaco. After all, Putin’s sex-trafficking Oligarch Elena Baturina wired $3.5 million to Hunter Biden and Chris Heinz (Teresa Heinz’s son, stepson of the freaking US SECSTATE, John Kerry).

Russia is losing a conflict of their own making right now, with their state propagandists ranting after waves of oil refineries and air fields struck by cobbled Ukrainian drones. In the past week, they’ve had Ukrainian propeller-driven drones strike their flight test center at Akhtubinsk, which is 589km East of Ukraine. Refineries and oil centers are on-fire in multiple locations, 400 of their soldiers are surrounded and surrendering, while drones continue to fly.

Ukraine was only meant to be along-the-way for Russian to then stage in the West, annex Moldova, while Lukashenko and Putin would celebrate the victory as comrades-in-arms. This was going to cause fear and apprehension in the Eastern European states, especially the smaller ones like Slovakia, Hungary, and put Poland on edge.

Russia and Belorussia would then begin to stage their forces facing Westward, fresh from their victorious conquest and “denazification” of Ukraine (lol). Then begin a series of asymmetric actions within Europe to destabilize the governments, pit the nationalists against the EUrotrash to cause division and uneasiness in those societies, making them ripe for electoral manipulation of more Russian plants.

This was meant to be a softening-up of the EU and NATO, as Russia would conquer more of “her rightful territories”.

When the cheap pedophile Biden couldn’t deliver Zelensky’s extrication for Biden’s long-time financier, Putin, it set Putin’s plans back a bit, but the propagandists could make Zelensky look like a fool and the superior Russian forces would soon deal with the little Zelensky regardless, or so they thought. After all, Putin’s generals showed him the strategic map where they started out surrounding Ukraine with strategic encirclement, so they "could not lose”.

848 days later, Colonel MacGreggor is still saying, “Ukraine is done. The war is over.” Ha ha, can’t make this stuff up.

 

[LRRPF52]

very informative. never been to russia,known very few. have gotten any knowledge from 40+? books on 20th cent hx with russia being a factor in most. what you say has authentic ring to it. your sources? sort of opposite of many i follow on this topic. one question is that why would obama,biden,clinton soros,gates,nato et al fund an anti putin war? ukrainian rescources? protect biden corruption? some say because he is not down with woke perversion. i do see putin using the same tricks stalin did to get the country behind his war. yes orthodox church,mother russia,nkvd terror,xenophobia etc. so that fits. i also understand russia hatred in baltic,balkans,poland and esp ukraine. goes back 100 years. russia has been our enemy since 1917 and has done a good job destroying and corrupting our system. however,i see no need to fund or participate in a war in eastern europe and take a real risk of a nuc war. even if you are correct re russia's nuc inferiority,any risk of that is insane. there is no gain for us in another,this time likely last,war. we have no need to be involved with anywhere in europe. i do not subscribe to the idea that putin is trying to resurect the tarist/ussr empire. it doesn't seem that he is that crazy and is aware that that is just not possible. there were some agrrements in place to prevent this kind of actiontotally by the west. so what say you?

I’ve been studying Russia since the 1970s, since my mom’s side is from Finland. I also grew up in the defense community with a lot of emphasis on analysis and exploitation of Soviet weapons systems, primarily in the aerospace/missile sectors. We lived in West Germany in the early 1980s, and I have been doing research papers on Russia dating back to the mid-1980s, along with studies of imagery and any then-available materials on their fighters most specifically. I also took an interest in their small arms and related systems, studied their MTO&E and vehicle recognition as part of my job in DoD.

My main interest is and has always been for the defense of Finland, as well as a US defense Cold War perspective that did not buy into the “end of history” and “peace dividend” arguments that academics and diplomat types uttered repeatedly in the 1990s. We were also part of Nunn-Lugar with base-exchange programs with Russians, to include providing translation services for the visiting Russian Air Force officers, who of course lived up to the stereotype of being drunks. They brought their MiG-29s to show at AFFTC, while other units brought Su-27s to the East coast to fly with F-15C units out of Langley AFB, VA.

Obama was raised as a black Bolshevik, Soviet mole by his whore mother, who told her college roommates she was going to get knocked-up by a black Communist to protest the white patriarchy. If you read Dreams from my Father, you will realize what he is. It was ghost-written by Bill Ayers, a Marxist Weathermen Underground terrorist who bombed multiple US government facilities and buildings in the Soviet student uprising movement fomented in the US back in the 1960s-1970s. When Obama was a US Senator, he worked hard for Putin to disarm Ukraine on the tail-end of Nunn-Lugar, claiming that Ukrainian artillery munitions needed to be destroyed too. Nunn-Lugar was meant to dismantle and localize control of Soviet-era nukes in Russia, not conventional munitions, while the US foot the bill for propping-up the Russian, Belorussian, Ukrainian, and Georgian economies before they spiraled more into the drain.

The Clintons have been on Soviet and Russian payroll since no later than the early 1980s when Clinton was Governor of Arkansas. They were selling Russia and other unauthorized nations the NSA’s bank surveillance program system code updates every month, using an intermediary from the Rose Law Firm who got Hillary her job there when Clinton became the State AG back in the late 1970s. That program went into effect in the mid-1980s, and its ownership/contractor status moved from a company in Arkansas called Systematics, to Alltel. Alltel discovered that corporate officers from Systematics were selling the codes to foreign governments, namely the Russians, Chinese, Iranians, Pakistanis, Israelis, Saudis, and the big-payers who didn’t want their illegal money transactions of their leaders and intel agencies being exposed to the NSA’s surveillance and asset seizure. It’s one of the biggest scandals in US history most conspiracy amateurs/researchers have never even heard about.

Biden, the Clintons, and Obama have been working against NATO throughout their careers, not for it. At the height of the COVID protests, governments were looking for a way to channel people’s anger and uprisings, so Putin’s “SMO” was a perfect distraction to focus all the media attention. For once, they were actually reporting the truth about it, a hard as that it to believe. I’ve said for many years, “What will happen when the media tells the truth one day? Nobody will believe them other than the most gullible sheep, while the jaded people with discernment will reject it."

 

[theLBC]

although i don't live there, i would disagree to some details.
perhaps 70% of ukrainians wanted to join the west, but i don't believe that is true for the disputed regions that are predominantly ethnic russians.
lenon muddied this by adding these areas to "the ukraine", after brutally putting down yet another attempt at independence.
i believe this was intended to prevent a "united" ukraine from revolting (again), much like how the english tried to subdue the scots. jmo.

we should all know by now that this isn't a cultural battle but a war for the rights to exploit the natural resources in that region.
it isn't insignificant that companies like burisma would have profited greatly from this being in the hands of the current regime.

 

[LRRPF52]

although i don't live there, i would disagree to some details.
perhaps 70% of ukrainians wanted to join the west, but i don't believe that is true for the disputed regions that are predominantly ethnic russians.
lenon muddied this by adding these areas to "the ukraine", after brutally putting down yet another attempt at independence.
i believe this was intended to prevent a "united" ukraine from revolting (again), much like how the english tried to subdue the scots. jmo.

we should all know by now that this isn't a cultural battle but a war for the rights to exploit the natural resources in that region.
it isn't insignificant that companies like burisma would have profited greatly from this being in the hands of the current regime.

That Eastern Donbas region of Ukraine has been ethnic Russian for a long time, dating back many centuries, but it’s only a fraction of the overall nation. It’s also interesting that the Ethnic Russian regions of Ukraine were not as affected by the Holdover artificial famine/genocide.

Stalin also sent a lot of ethnic Ukrainians to die in the Winter War with Finland, namely the 44th Infantry Division, which knocked out 2 birds with one stone for him, though he also intended to march on Helsinki and failed. When you understand the Russian perspective on Ukraine, it’s a nice, huge farmland with beaches and warm water to the south, with very intelligent people in industry that Russia must own and dominate.

This conflict is mainly a struggle for Ukrainian independence vs Russian subjugation and control, since so many critical industries and resources Russia has exploited for centuries are at stake. Putin tied many US traitors/politicians into the promised returns of some of these industries, which were also serving as illicit trade money-laundering hubs, Burisma being the most prominent example.

That’s why he didn’t want a genuine prosecutor working under a pro-Ukrainian president, Poroshenko, to take up the exposé of what he was up to. What better way to head off that investigation than placing the US Vice President’s crackhead son (recently discharged from the Navy) as one of the board members of Burisma, then task his long-time traitor father with getting Shokin fired.

It’s also interesting that the European Central Bank and IMF really wanted Shokin gone as well. Why? Why did Obama, Biden, ECB, and IMF demand quite feverishly that Shokin be fired, and why did their corporate media whores hide the fact that there were 2 assassination attempts against Shokin?

Could it be someone has billions of illegal trade to hide? I’m sure the IMF and ECB wouldn’t want the people to see how their banks are being used to launder human sex-trafficking, arms sales, human trafficking, international bribery payments to corrupt heads of state who are entwined within this matrix. Panama Papers exposes all of that, which is why that story went away so quickly. The map showing the US clean and free of the network exposed by the Panama Papers is obviously not complete, though the main hot spots for activity are London, Switzerland, Beijing, Shanghai, Moscow, and Brussels.

You start to see why these parties are perfectly happy to have the peasants distracted with diversionary arguments that point away from these financial relationships, and arevcarving arguments to fit inside partisan politics in the US, unifying defense in Europe (which is legitimate, but sucked the air out of EU and Wuhanflu mandates protestors), while unifying Russians under Putin’s rule with domestic Russian propaganda. All these financial interests, who share the love of power and wealth over loyalty to nations, truly believed Putin was going to be successful with a Slavkrieg assault on Ukraine with his short duration SMO.

Since Biden was unable to extract Zelensky, it threw the whole plan into chaos and the players are now reshuffling their cards.

 

[mosin46]

That Eastern Donbas region of Ukraine has been ethnic Russian for a long time, dating back many centuries, but it’s only a fraction of the overall nation. It’s also interesting that the Ethnic Russian regions of Ukraine were not as affected by the Holdover artificial famine/genocide.

Stalin also sent a lot of ethnic Ukrainians to die in the Winter War with Finland, namely the 44th Infantry Division, which knocked out 2 birds with one stone for him, though he also intended to march on Helsinki and failed. When you understand the Russian perspective on Ukraine, it’s a nice, huge farmland with beaches and warm water to the south, with very intelligent people in industry that Russia must own and dominate.

This conflict is mainly a struggle for Ukrainian independence vs Russian subjugation and control, since so many critical industries and resources Russia has exploited for centuries are at stake. Putin tied many US traitors/politicians into the promised returns of some of these industries, which were also serving as illicit trade money-laundering hubs, Burisma being the most prominent example.

That’s why he didn’t want a genuine prosecutor working under a pro-Ukrainian president, Poroshenko, to take up the exposé of what he was up to. What better way to head off that investigation than placing the US Vice President’s crackhead son (recently discharged from the Navy) as one of the board members of Burisma, then task his long-time traitor father with getting Shokin fired.

It’s also interesting that the European Central Bank and IMF really wanted Shokin gone as well. Why? Why did Obama, Biden, ECB, and IMF demand quite feverishly that Shokin be fired, and why did their corporate media whores hide the fact that there were 2 assassination attempts against Shokin?

Could it be someone has billions of illegal trade to hide? I’m sure the IMF and ECB wouldn’t want the people to see how their banks are being used to launder human sex-trafficking, arms sales, human trafficking, international bribery payments to corrupt heads of state who are entwined within this matrix. Panama Papers exposes all of that, which is why that story went away so quickly. The map showing the US clean and free of the network exposed by the Panama Papers is obviously not complete, though the main hot spots for activity are London, Switzerland, Beijing, Shanghai, Moscow, and Brussels.

You start to see why these parties are perfectly happy to have the peasants distracted with diversionary arguments that point away from these financial relationships, and arevcarving arguments to fit inside partisan politics in the US, unifying defense in Europe (which is legitimate, but sucked the air out of EU and Wuhanflu mandates protestors), while unifying Russians under Putin’s rule with domestic Russian propaganda. All these financial interests, who share the love of power and wealth over loyalty to nations, truly believed Putin was going to be successful with a Slavkrieg assault on Ukraine with his short duration SMO.

Since Biden was unable to extract Zelensky, it threw the whole plan into chaos and the players are now reshuffling their cards.

random replies/comments. with a finnish background i get the reason you may dislike russia. i am rather familiar with the winter war and stalin's grab of karelia after ww2. i know he pushed many ethnic russians into there and a large area of eastern europe. was ethnic cleansing and replacement esp in sudetenland. am also rather aware of the west's and japan's post ww1 intervention. that had some long term effects in a lot of eurasia. clintons were a KGB tool well before the 80s. mena and cattle futures are just what is sorta visible. it may be that many of us are being played by macgrgor,ritter et al about putin being the only rational actor in this play. i still see that as the most likely assessment as of now. it is certain that none of the other western "leaders" are. i still see a problem with the idea that the NWO players are sending billions to ukraine if they are or were in bed with massive putin corruption that you assert. that putin is that corrupt is pretty easy to believe. looks as if he has been cast out of the NWO elite,so connections are hard to untangle. i still fail to see where our national interest is at stake there. "fighting" the cold war to protect europe was rank stupidity. there is absolutely nothing there we need or have needed for 250 years. for long time i have felt that if stalin had taken europe or putin ultimately inherited it,who gives a shit? the western hemisphere matters and we have stepped all over our dick there for a long time. now we suffer an invasion largely from there and thru there from north and south. like most things kicking around today,none of the ukraine and gaza wars make sense unless you posit insane suicidal behavior.

 

[LRRPF52]

US foreign policy is to prevent a single power from taking over Europe and Asia. So in WWII, we didn’t want Hitler taking over all the refineries, farmland, industrial plants, and critical hubs in Western and Eastern Europe, Russia, or Ukraine, nor did we want Stalin to. Remember that Hitler took France with a rapid invasion and occupation, as he did with Ukraine early in WWII.

This might be a big revelation to a lot of people, but the US is primarily European descent, with allies and trade agreements that pre-date the Revolution. It’s easy and lazy to say, “Ah, just let whatever dictator take over the whole place, not our problem.” But then what will that dictator do with the combined naval power of the UK, France, Spain, Netherlands, Sweden, and Italy in our own backyard. It’s bad enough that the Soviet used their doubles in the CIA to help Castro overthrow Batista and become a Russian vassal state off our coast, and that was with the weak and pathetic Russian navy, which is and always has been a joke.

The hemispheres and continents of the world do not exist in vacuums, nor have they ever. Man’s relationships between the continents are far more extensive than most professors of history have taught, and the US does very well to maintain buffers overseas in the Pacific Rim and Europe. The point is that adventurous dictators rarely stop on their own accord. They always want more territory.

As much as we give the elites crap for being who they are, they used to learn about actual history in their prep schools and Ivy League enclaves, while entirely different garbage is taught to the masses. Information = power and control, and they would rather not have peasants rising up with silly ideas about relinquishing all the hard work that has been put into setting the US up for success.

 

[mosin46]

hitler did conquer france. the vichy army and navy were a big help to him,weren't they? controlled the balkans,right? serbia was helpful to him,right? hitler never had solid control of ukraine or poland or the balkans or even western europe. hitler and the kaiser before him had exactly zero chance of taking america. yea,they sank some ships in the gulf of mex. that lasted a few months til we figured out how to sink them. the biggest conqueror in history overran china,much of india,most of the middle east, a lot of eastern europe. his empire lasted about til his death when it broke up into competing segments. the huge persian empire didn't stand the invasion of a few thousand greeks. historically,there seems to be some vague limit to the size & extent of empire that can be maintained over time. technology appears to have shortened that time frame. trade activities pre revolution were a big help to the colonies not a rip by england,right? we sure need to kill a bunch of young men to keep it going. there were some warnings issued in that era about foreign entanglements. 19th/20th cent neo cons weren't listening. wilson and fdr were a big help to american life,security and welfare by saving europe twice. a great investment of 1/2 mil lives. and we saved vietnam for only about 58K. what a deal. i am so glad that we invaded iraq to give the benefits of democracy to the iraqi people. a bargin for less that 4k US lives. this neocon bullshit about preventing manufactured enemies from "taking over" this or that is just a move to profit the corrupt elites and inflame the sheep,especially the rams. yea we are a european extraction poulation and have european historical roots. i am very glad that i live somewhere away from that demented,degraded shit hole.

 

[LRRPF52]

French engineers developed Radar Warning Receivers for Hitler’s U-Boats during the war, after the Germans began using RF stealth features to defeat the British sub hunter aircraft that were equipped with Radars. Much of the history behind the scenes is not known, still under classification, especially related to diplomatic and technological advancements. For reference, Radar Warning Receiver technology is one of the critical sensor suites used in modern combat aircraft for Threat Warning Systems.

Hitler was unable to realize the natural conquest of an older era emperor because he was fighting multiple fronts, including the US in North Africa, then Sicily, then Italy, and Allies supplied with US material prior to those campaigns. If you use the example of Hitler being defeated by US intervention on multiple fronts, to include the billions of dollars worth of Lend-Lease to the Soviets, it’s making my point.

Same with us smartly waiting until the last moment before committing masses of US soldiers into the ETO to finish-off the Wermacht and then stop Staling from going any further Westward towards all the sea ports and rivers. We even insisted on his forces leaving Austria, which they had mostly occupied. The US was the only major power and participant in World War II who didn’t lose substantial amounts of prime age males, while every other belligerent lost huge amounts of their young male populace, including England, France, Germany, Russia, Finland, Poland, Eastern Europe, Japan, China, etc.

Part of the Russian propaganda is to start with demoralization and disinformation to distract from reality. We should not ever fall for that. I’m still more of a critic of our own leaders, but that doesn’t erase the crimes of adventurist dictators and wannabe emperors.

 

[45-90]

Nato is at war with Russia, Ukraine lost a long time ago. Absolutely true...
I don't care who wins, it ain't my war, will not affect me in any way.... like all the rest since WW2.
It will make no difference, unless we intervene and lose again... which is where we are headed...again....but this time start WW 3.
But trillions will be made, with Americans paying the bill.
While Russian and Ukrainians die, needlessly...and could have been stopped with early signed peace agreements, but NATO wants the war....

My concern is the US being over run with millions of illegals mostly military age, gang bangers, and traffickers...the war at home.
So who runs the land mass called Ukraine is of no interest to me at all...someone will, if we don't start WW 3 and destroy everything, over a stupid war we have no interest in.

 

[LRRPF52]

Nato is at war with Russia, Ukraine lost a long time ago. Absolutely true...
I don't care who wins, it ain't my war, will not affect me in any way.... like all the rest since WW2.
It will make no difference, unless we intervene and lose again... which is where we are headed...again....but this time start WW 3.
But trillions will be made, with Americans paying the bill.
While Russian and Ukrainians die, needlessly...and could have been stopped with early signed peace agreements, but NATO wants the war....

My concern is the US being over run with millions of illegals mostly military age, gang bangers, and traffickers...the war at home.
So who runs the land mass called Ukraine is of no interest to me at all...someone will, if we don't start WW 3 and destroy everything, over a stupid war we have no interest in.

You watch Col MacGregor I take it? That guy has something weird going on with him. Every statement of the war being over he has made month after month for the past 28 months has just been opposite of reality.

NATO is not at war with Russia. There is no Article 5, no formal declaration, and no overt attacks on NATO yet. Putin planned and launched this war on a timeline that he has had in mind at least since 2000, if not earlier when he was deputy PM. He knows from the Russian perspective that he has to control Ukraine, so their first strategy was by puppet regimes, and when the last one failed and was ousted (Yanukovych), he kicked-off the Donbas War. I was watching this all happen with a front-row seat, specifically monitoring it since the early 2000s to gauge the strategic decision matrices.

No amount of peace agreements with a Russian means a hill of beans. Putin was going to do this anyway, and Ukraine is not even the main objective. He thought that was a given with the 72hr SMO to seize Kiev.

I’m with you on our borders being priority #1, since we have a traitor in the WH who is doing the bidding of our enemies to destabilize the US. Dems think it will help them in the election because they can place illegals in various key battleground counties that they’re forecasting will win the WH, regardless of whether they vote or not because they need the bodies in those counties to support the steal again.

But Ukraine was Putin’s doing, not NATO, not Viktoria Nuland, not anyone else. It was already planned and I have that info from within the Russian foreign ministry from a guy who was running his mouth too much in the early 2000s about it.

 

[mosin46]

you claim to have evidence that putin planned this long ago. OK,maybe. now explain the 10,50 or 100 bil $s biden,actually his handlers,are sending there. same for israel for that matter. do expect anyone to believe that obama,nuland,the players in congress,jcs,etc etc. are opposing putin in order to save the world from him? you admit that the corruption in our gov is universal and driven by wanting control and power. how can you maintain that a hot war or self backrupting in e.europe are justified by our national interest? you seem to be using the same justifications that were used to get us into ww1,vietnam,afganistan,ww2 for that matter. OMG we have to save the world from X,Y,Z. yes i follow macgregor,ritter,hansen,carlson plus others. WION from india asks some good questions. yes,you are right in casting some doubt on macgregor's prediction of the course in ukraine. time will tell. many have identified the idiocy,corruption and suicidal behavior of the US establishment. still see no reason for our involvement in europe. the mideast is much more complex. as is asia.

 

[theLBC]

why would putin plan this 14 years before the cia engineered the overthrow of the russian friendly government?
make it make sense please.

 

[Doc68]

You watch Col MacGregor I take it? That guy has something weird going on with him. Every statement of the war being over he has made month after month for the past 28 months has just been opposite of reality.

NATO is not at war with Russia. There is no Article 5, no formal declaration, and no overt attacks on NATO yet. Putin planned and launched this war on a timeline that he has had in mind at least since 2000, if not earlier when he was deputy PM. He knows from the Russian perspective that he has to control Ukraine, so their first strategy was by puppet regimes, and when the last one failed and was ousted (Yanukovych), he kicked-off the Donbas War. I was watching this all happen with a front-row seat, specifically monitoring it since the early 2000s to gauge the strategic decision matrices.

No amount of peace agreements with a Russian means a hill of beans. Putin was going to do this anyway, and Ukraine is not even the main objective. He thought that was a given with the 72hr SMO to seize Kiev.

I’m with you on our borders being priority #1, since we have a traitor in the WH who is doing the bidding of our enemies to destabilize the US. Dems think it will help them in the election because they can place illegals in various key battleground counties that they’re forecasting will win the WH, regardless of whether they vote or not because they need the bodies in those counties to support the steal again.

But Ukraine was Putin’s doing, not NATO, not Viktoria Nuland, not anyone else. It was already planned and I have that info from within the Russian foreign ministry from a guy who was running his mouth too much in the early 2000s about it.

You don't need a formal declaration to be at war.....

NATO is by proxy at war with Russia. Also those storm missiles that Britain has donated, who do you think is launching and flying them. It's not the Ukrainians. Sure they are launched from Ukraine.

The last president(the one put in power by the CIA aka color revolution) was shelling Russia since 2014.....Was Putin just supposed to let that go unchecked? What would the US do if we had mexico or Canada launching artillery over into our borders.

Remember the Cuban missile crisis? We have been doing the same to Russia ever since. Putting our forces and missiles within and less distance to Russia ever since then.

You don't think Finland was brought into NATO because we are being nice and friendly do you?

Yes I hate communism/socialism and all, but look at what we have become ourselves.

Tell me, can you do anything these days without .govs approval either through permissions or having to buy a permit? How much more regulations can we have before we are there.

These illegals have almost made medicine become nationalized due to overburdened facilities. We cannot take much more of this. One hospital system here in CO, reported over 4 billion last year in unpaid bills due to illegals. We seriously cannot sustain this much longer.

The city of Denver here in all of its wisdom wanted to be a sanctuary city. Well they just recently cut back fire, EMS, police, DMV and other services to use that money for these illegals.

This is all planned, plain and simple. It's literally the last nail in our republics coffin.

We Americans allowed this to happen. We always took the moral high road and this is where that road left us. We went along with this shit from day one because we were afraid of the left and what they may have called us. We allowed them to destroy cities in the name of every black person killed by cop that was deemed unjust by the MSM.

I served my country for 15yrs before severe medical issues got me. I now know I served the enemy and their agendas. I am sad to know this and there's not a day that goes by that I don't think about it. I did my job as a medic and saved many lives during my career. Sadly, my eyes are wide open and I will never ever lift another finger to support what this country has become.

At least in Russia, they don't care about this PC/gays/trans bullshit.

Doc

 

[mosin46]

the ugly truth is that the stuff we are doing in ukraine is,historically,well more than acts of war. putin would be historically justified in declaring war on us. way more justification than lusitania or tonkin gulf. yes,the rag heads have done some stuff that would justify us declaring war on them. ie at least by some examples in history. killing a bunch of people to "save them for democracy" is kinda war like.

 

[BobKaare]

But Ukraine was Putin’s doing, not NATO, not Viktoria Nuland, not anyone else. It was already planned and I have that info from within the Russian foreign ministry from a guy who was running his mouth too much in the early 2000s about it.

I want whatever you have been smoking, seems like you are on an intergalactic journey in your head.