Snowbird crashes into home
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Hope everyone is OK! I saw them perform and they are really a treat to watch.
Wonder if Justin Bieber... er... Trudeau... is going to ban planes now?
If it saves just one life!
Sirhr
Wonder if Justin Bieber... er... Trudeau... is going to ban planes now?
If it saves just one life!
Sirhr
Update:
Rumor is that a female body was found in the aircraft wreckage. If so, there is only a single female flying with the Snowbirds, the second female in history.
Rumor is that a female body was found in the aircraft wreckage. If so, there is only a single female flying with the Snowbirds, the second female in history.
That's a real shame, I saw the ejection but I didn't see a chute deploy.
So that now leaves us with 2 options as to what happened.
1 - Catastrophic failure
2 - Someone who shouldn't even remotely be there, yet is, because vagina, showed us exactly why she shouldnt have been there.
By the heading I imagined this to be very different.
I was looking for the elderly version with the caddy parked in a house.
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I was looking for the elderly version with the caddy parked in a house.
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Looks like the pilot knew there was a failure and tried to come around to bring it in.
Was the smoke an ejection sequence initiated as the pilot realized it was a lost cause and the plane rolls over with a wing stall and barrels in?
Was the smoke an ejection sequence initiated as the pilot realized it was a lost cause and the plane rolls over with a wing stall and barrels in?
Totally guessing, but it seems the timing of those 2 smoke puffs are something to do with the ejection seats? Are there 2 seats in that plane?
Two separate 'puffs' of smoke 'ejecting' from the fuselage..... I can only ASSUME that one was for the canopy and the other was for a/the pilot?
These things single-seaters, or are they tandem-jobbies? According to some news sites, they're saying that a (dead) female has been found in the wreckage as well as a (wounded) pilot found on a roof with a parachute.
Something isn't adding up here, to me.
Edited to add:
Might-could the 'female' simply be a passenger (VIP?) and the pilot a male? Or is the male a passenger (VIP) and the pilot a female?
These things single-seaters, or are they tandem-jobbies? According to some news sites, they're saying that a (dead) female has been found in the wreckage as well as a (wounded) pilot found on a roof with a parachute.
Something isn't adding up here, to me.
Edited to add:
Might-could the 'female' simply be a passenger (VIP?) and the pilot a male? Or is the male a passenger (VIP) and the pilot a female?
If it weren't for our total guessing yet speaking with authority it wouldn't be the Bear Pit........
I've been wanting to use "wing stall" in a sentence since forever.
“ A witness told KTW a second person, a female, appeared to have succumbed to her injuries.
Dana Hings is a retired nurse from New Westminster who is visiting her daughter in Brock.
“We were in the garden and we heard a large crash,” Hings told KTW, noting they heard calls for medical help.
Hings and her daughter rushed to the backyard of the home and found a person who appeared to be deceased.
“I saw a deceased female with catastrophic injuries,” Hings said. “It looked like she hit a tree. It’s insane. It’s not supposed to happen. This [the Snowbirds tour] is supposed to be a good thing and she died.””
https://www.kamloopsthisweek.com/news/with-video-snowbird-jet-crashes-into-kamloops-house-1.24136744
Capt. Sarah Dallaire is married to fellow snowbird pilot Capt Domon-Grenier
Dana Hings is a retired nurse from New Westminster who is visiting her daughter in Brock.
“We were in the garden and we heard a large crash,” Hings told KTW, noting they heard calls for medical help.
Hings and her daughter rushed to the backyard of the home and found a person who appeared to be deceased.
“I saw a deceased female with catastrophic injuries,” Hings said. “It looked like she hit a tree. It’s insane. It’s not supposed to happen. This [the Snowbirds tour] is supposed to be a good thing and she died.””
https://www.kamloopsthisweek.com/news/with-video-snowbird-jet-crashes-into-kamloops-house-1.24136744
Capt. Sarah Dallaire is married to fellow snowbird pilot Capt Domon-Grenier
Do what? Is there someone shoving a pineapple up there ass in that picture?
I can guarantee you that if there was a chick in that aircraft she has more balls than the Prime Minister...........
Yeah you don't become a pilot of the Snowbirds because of your gender. To fly those old rickity aircraft you have to be a pretty damn fine pilot.
Captain Sarah Dallaire is only the second woman since the Snowbirds started to be awarded the honor to fly them.
Film with a potato. More than 2/3 of my screen is empty, when I could be full of imagery.
The Snowbirds are a phenomenal group of pilots. The Tutor is not your average fighter type aircraft with gobs of excess power like the USAF Thunderbirds’ F16 or the Blue Angels’ F18. Rather, the entire routine is focused on power and energy management. As such, the pilots are definitely a cut above others in their ability to manage the aircraft. Anyone saying otherwise clearly has no idea what they’re talking about and their commentary on this incident should be ignored...
The CT-114 is a side-by-side two-seater much like the USAF T-37 Tweet was.
Sad day for aviation.
The CT-114 is a side-by-side two-seater much like the USAF T-37 Tweet was.
Sad day for aviation.
There are plenty of competent female pilots out there, including my congresswoman.
I think it's more likely the future holds most fighting aircraft not having a human pilot inside.
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Yep because a computer won't "G out".
But before that happens it will supposedly be women that can handle more G.
Guessing if that were true the records would already reflect it.
Saw a YouTube vid of a Navy pilot candidate taking an absurd amount of G.
Guy running the controls told him if he wanted to he could go for the record.
Kid did and asked what he gets for it and the controller was funny...thinking he said a t shirt.
The ejection sequence was started far too late for the nose down attitude of the aircraft
I'm not an expert on aircraft mishaps and investigates but in the first video you do hear an audible pop just as it crosses the road that could be an engine problem. It would explain why the aircraft pitched up suddenly, I guess to trade altitude for speed in an attempt to maybe circle back to the airfield. However, my guess is that with an engine out and little speed being just after take off there was insufficient lift to maintain the turn and it entered into a stall. I think the second video does a better job of showing the ejection and at 00:53 I think I see the canopy pop and appears as a dark spec above the fuselage. Just after that the first seat goes and then the second seat but it appears that ejection was initiated outside of the envelop to achieve a fully parachute opening. In the bottom left corner of the image at 00:56 you see a white spec that I surmise is the drogue shoot for the main.
There's a 1980's USAF video that talks discusses a trend of pilots to hang with a troubled aircraft too long thinking they can save the aircraft.
I thought most modern aircraft and. Certainly one doing what these do, would be equipped with zero altitude seats.
Eject from the tarmac it still gets you a survivable ride down, not a comfortable ride, but a survivable ride.
A lot of modern aircraft do but I don't believe the Tutor had a zero/zero ejection seat. I found some information online that said the ejection seats in the Tutor were rated for zero altitude and 90 knots. That being said I don't believe ejection seats are miracle workers and even with a zero/zero seat there's no guarantee it will save you when the plane is in a nose down attitude at low level.
There are examples of course like the F-18 crash at a Canadian airshow some years ago and some Russian Migs but those were advanced fighters, not 50-60 year old trainers.
There are examples of course like the F-18 crash at a Canadian airshow some years ago and some Russian Migs but those were advanced fighters, not 50-60 year old trainers.
I am certainly not an expert on ejection seats in modern military aircraft. I have never had any experience with any other than single seat aircraft, you pull the yellow handle, it blows the canopy, as well as the pilots seat..........I would think a single pull in a dual occupancy aircraft would work in the same sequence.........someone goes to the ejection mode, everyone in the plane is getting out.....
Wasn't there a recent incident where someone in a jet accidently pulled the get out handle I think it was a VIP along for the ride or something or maybe I had to much to drink and I am not thinking clearly...….LOL
It's happened a couple times. The most recent incident was when a VIP accidentally ejected from a French fighter during a maneuver. The lucky/scary thing is that the seats were set to dual mode basically so even though both seats were set to go off a malfunction led to the pilot's seat not ejecting and he was able to land the aircraft. If the seats had functioned normally both would have ejected and France would've lost an aircraft for no good reason. If there was an actual mishap and both needed to eject, the pilot would've been unable and France would've lost a pilot and an aircraft.
There was a similar incident with an F14 Tomcat back in the day where they were giving an officer a ride and there was some panic and he pulled the handles by accident.
There was a similar incident with an F14 Tomcat back in the day where they were giving an officer a ride and there was some panic and he pulled the handles by accident.
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( me ? ) .. more concentrated on that Carve, Invert and Nose straight down into impact . Was pretty fast how how this demo team jet quick did that .
I watched a single-engine jet take off and stall with power loss at an Airshow here . I watched all the way from takeoff to impact . With it Loosing thrust/No power and it was more of a controlled flight, compression impact crash into a housing area . as It just dragged Ass and teetered on the stall with inadequate engine push all the way in.
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CF Snowbirds team member killed in crash in Kamloops, B.C.
Damn shame.
Aviation is a harsh, unforgiving mistress. For the most part, it’s incredibly safe and only has the appearance of being hazardous thanks to overzealous reporters who sensationalize every accident possible. But every once in awhile, it does bite, and when it does, it bites hard. It’s already been a tough year, and this certainly doesn’t help.
I’m sure she did everything she could, but without an engine, The Impossible Turn is often, well, impossible. May she rest in peace and God Bless those she left behind. Same for anyone on the ground who’s life was impacted. Sad day, indeed.
Aviation is a harsh, unforgiving mistress. For the most part, it’s incredibly safe and only has the appearance of being hazardous thanks to overzealous reporters who sensationalize every accident possible. But every once in awhile, it does bite, and when it does, it bites hard. It’s already been a tough year, and this certainly doesn’t help.
I’m sure she did everything she could, but without an engine, The Impossible Turn is often, well, impossible. May she rest in peace and God Bless those she left behind. Same for anyone on the ground who’s life was impacted. Sad day, indeed.
Damn shame.
Aviation is a harsh, unforgiving mistress. For the most part, it’s incredibly safe and only has the appearance of being hazardous thanks to overzealous reporters who sensationalize every accident possible. But every once in awhile, it does bite, and when it does, it bites hard. It’s already been a tough year, and this certainly doesn’t help.
I’m sure she did everything she could, but without an engine, The Impossible Turn is often, well, impossible. May she rest in peace and God Bless those she left behind. Same for anyone on the ground who’s life was impacted. Sad day, indeed.
I too feel for the poor pilot. Survivor's guilt can be a terrible thing.
But was she the pilot? Bio says Public Affairs Officer. Could be both, I suppose.Damn shame.
Aviation is a harsh, unforgiving mistress. For the most part, it’s incredibly safe and only has the appearance of being hazardous thanks to overzealous reporters who sensationalize every accident possible. But every once in awhile, it does bite, and when it does, it bites hard. It’s already been a tough year, and this certainly doesn’t help.
I’m sure she did everything she could, but without an engine, The Impossible Turn is often, well, impossible. May she rest in peace and God Bless those she left behind. Same for anyone on the ground who’s life was impacted. Sad day, indeed.
Too true. I hadn’t read the updated reports yet showing she was a pax and not the pilot. Thankfully his injuries are being reported as non-life threatening, but he’ll have his own road to recovery as well!
I hadn’t yet read the updated reports stating she wasn’t the pilot, as noted above. Either way, still a huge loss!
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I know this is the Bear Pit....BUT
I find the remarks from some are so disturbing and disrespectful.
What is wrong with you?
The Snowbirds are their nation's elite military performing team. They represent and proudly serve their country. The death and injury of all military serving is a great loss. Those who have served know this. We should never make light of those who die in service to their country. The entire team of Snowbirds are proud and dedicated Airmen.
I have seen them perform many times. The great men and women of Canada are owed our respect and prayers.
I find the remarks from some are so disturbing and disrespectful.
What is wrong with you?
The Snowbirds are their nation's elite military performing team. They represent and proudly serve their country. The death and injury of all military serving is a great loss. Those who have served know this. We should never make light of those who die in service to their country. The entire team of Snowbirds are proud and dedicated Airmen.
I have seen them perform many times. The great men and women of Canada are owed our respect and prayers.
Very sad . Prayers for the deceased ond loved ones . I used to work near Willow Grove Naval Air Station and it had it's share of accidents .
Jet crash at an airshow .
Jet crashed into a neihborhood . By the Grace of God no one was killed or injured . Fuckin house and street looked like it was bombed .
Saw a Huey doing what looked like an after maintenance flight right in the middle of the approach to the runway . It was about a quarter mile or so from it and this thing is hovering over an intersection at low altitude . Dammed if he didn't go vertical right into the path of an A10 IIRC. Man I had to throw those shorts away , it was right over top of where I was working outdoors . That Jet Pilot had the reaction speed and skill of Nemo from Matrix . Sad to say when you're pushin the razor's edge of physics sometimes physics wins .
@AlaskaATV , lighten up . There are some real deal , been there done that hard Motherfuckers here . People says shit as they see it. Marine Bear pit is just that . Guys fighting in a pit . This place is the equivalent of a locker room , the Day Room or Squad Bay . In other words there are no filters but for the few listed by the HMFIC . Trust me when I say that my response is exponentially more respectful and diplomatic than you are most likely to get here at any given time . It seems that you've been here a couple years so if you've frequented the Pit you should have experienced the aforementioned . No one wants to see our serve members die . Bad policies and PC bullshit kills good people . Read between the lines .
With respect
Treedog
Jet crash at an airshow .
Jet crashed into a neihborhood . By the Grace of God no one was killed or injured . Fuckin house and street looked like it was bombed .
Saw a Huey doing what looked like an after maintenance flight right in the middle of the approach to the runway . It was about a quarter mile or so from it and this thing is hovering over an intersection at low altitude . Dammed if he didn't go vertical right into the path of an A10 IIRC. Man I had to throw those shorts away , it was right over top of where I was working outdoors . That Jet Pilot had the reaction speed and skill of Nemo from Matrix . Sad to say when you're pushin the razor's edge of physics sometimes physics wins .
@AlaskaATV , lighten up . There are some real deal , been there done that hard Motherfuckers here . People says shit as they see it. Marine Bear pit is just that . Guys fighting in a pit . This place is the equivalent of a locker room , the Day Room or Squad Bay . In other words there are no filters but for the few listed by the HMFIC . Trust me when I say that my response is exponentially more respectful and diplomatic than you are most likely to get here at any given time . It seems that you've been here a couple years so if you've frequented the Pit you should have experienced the aforementioned . No one wants to see our serve members die . Bad policies and PC bullshit kills good people . Read between the lines .
With respect
Treedog
Thank you.
Other videos show they came out horizontal rather than vertical.
Trajectory is tough to defeat.
Unsure about "all out in one".
I thought I recalled stories of RIOs in F4 having their own control.
Lot of danger for the person in the seat when leaving the aircraft so in some cases its better to leave it up to the occupant to pull when ready rather than have someone else make the decision for them.
Of course if your front, back or side seat is unconscious better to be able to get them out if you can, worry about broken parts that struck the aircraft after.
Read an account of a TBM in WWII, no ejection seat mind you, that had a wing practically shot off.
The pilot prepped to bail and had the gunner and radioman bail first.
Once unweighted he determined he could get the aircraft back to a carrier.
I dont think the other crewmen made it.
That had to be tough to live with.
I got some of my remembered facts wrong....here is the story.
I thought I remember where many aircraft is own control but you could flip a lever/knob/switch to make them both go together just in case of a scenario like one being unconscious.
I know the French Rafale fighter is like that. There was a story not too long ago about a civilian, up as a passenger, accidentally getting ejected. Pilot landed and had a lot of explaining to do.
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