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    So what's everyone's breaking point. Our forefathers got pissed at the high tax and no representation.

    We are at this point once again. So when is everyone gonna say fuck the system and finally hit the reset button.

    Seriously, when are we finally going to stand up for ourselves and say enough is enough.

    Not asking for a friend.....


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    No, actually this is a quite serious question.

    Why do we allow the corruption, why do we allow not being heard or represented. Why do we allow the two tiered justice system.

    Have we all just become too comfortable at this point.

    I mean this is what the 2nd was written for, but yet here we are.

    We have honestly exhausted all other options. The ballot box didn't work, the soapbox doesn't work......

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    I would totally help you but I gotta go to work, coach little league, help the kids with homework, bang the old lady, paint the house, cut the grass, grill meat, be the match director for Quinton Sportsmans club uspsa, run my small business, open the pool, build more props for uspsa...
     
    No, actually this is a quite serious question.

    Why do we allow the corruption, why do we allow not being heard or represented. Why do we allow the two tiered justice system.

    Have we all just become too comfortable at this point.

    I mean this is what the 2nd was written for, but yet here we are.

    We have honestly exhausted all other options. The ballot box didn't work, the soapbox doesn't work......

    Doc

    Because the amount of control you would need to have is more complex than you think.
    You can’t just do a thing. You’ll be labeled a domestic terrorist. You’ll be taken away and thrown in a black hole somewhere, assuming you’re not killed doing whatever it is you want others to do.

    You need organization. Order. Leadership. Clear and effective objectives to make progress towards a defensive and well resourced enemy, namely the government I presume.

    Because you would need to commit to war. And to be able to war, you would also need to garner the support, resources, numbers of variably skilled individuals, and logistics to wage your war.

    Allowed is not the word. Tolerated is more accurate. And what was the 2A written for? To wage war whenever you don’t agree with something? That’s what the opposing side with feel, say and think. Whoever you think is the enemy also thinks they’re the good guys.
     
    No, actually this is a quite serious question.

    Why do we allow the corruption, why do we allow not being heard or represented. Why do we allow the two tiered justice system.

    Have we all just become too comfortable at this point.

    I mean this is what the 2nd was written for, but yet here we are.

    We have honestly exhausted all other options. The ballot box didn't work, the soapbox doesn't work......

    Doc

    I'm afraid, "That was then..... This is now!"

    To have "RV 2.0" as I like to call it, in these times, with this size in population, and with the sophistication in weaponry available to the "other side," it would be quite the Herculean effort for us... way much more than our forefathers ever imagined. I mean, "Washington crossing the Delaware?" Nope, not in that lifeboat. He'll need the biggest, baddest amphib assault vehicle, if not a freakin' battleship... escorted by F35s Do we have such gear at our disposal(as opposed to the enemy)? How about Paul Revere? That horse just ain't gonna cut it, today. Both sides can alert their citizenry by so many other ways.(SMS/Smartphones, etc.) And it would have to be "secure" (encrypted) for the other side not become aware. And I'm not even beginning to think about the battles themselves and the logistics involved and, even most fundamentally, the "wet team" work that would be required afterwards. Do you think the modern day society would be willing to sacrifice the shedding of all that "red liquid?" Way much more than in our forefather's time?

    And here's the other thing. A lot of us who think an RV 2.0 might be the answer (and yes, I've pondered it occasionally), are much more on the "Senior" side of life than most others, I'd think. At least, I am, anyway. I have to wonder how much longer I'd have left on this Earth, and is it sufficient time after the end of RV 2.0 for me to enjoy the benefit of it (having survived/endured all the risk of it) to make it worthwhile? I don't know, honestly. I know the priority would be all of our "descendant" society that share our beliefs, etc and we should do it for them. And Hell, I have a niece and nephew that will inherit all this mess after I'm long gone. But that question would be on my mind and weigh heavily with me.

    This RV 2.0 will have to be "politically" based, not physical conflict. I don't think society would accept another domestic physical conflict with all that "wet team" work. Hell, look at all the $hit they gave us with Viet Nam and that wasn't even our conflict! We're going to have to do this politically. We're all going to have to get up off our collective asses and (literally) "drain the swamp," and put our own people in place. We're going to have to ensure that we can (somehow) get control of the Military so that we do have that force and weaponry on our side if ever needed. We have to think like Pres. Trump and start having more babies.... More "conservative" babies. We need to start homeschooling them. And then we need them to become our new politicians so we can continue to drain the swamp. Is it possible? Feasible? Yes, it is. But everyone has to get up off their assess and "get busy!"
     
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    I'm afraid, "That was then..... This is now!"

    To have "RV 2.0" as I like to call it, in these times, with this size in population, and with the sophistication in weaponry available to the "other side," it would be quite the Herculean effort for us... way much more than our forefathers ever imagined. I mean, "Washington crossing the Delaware?" Nope, not in that lifeboat. He'll need the biggest, baddest amphib assault vehicle, if not a freakin' battleship... escorted by F35s Do we have such gear at our availability (as opposed to the enemy)? How about Paul Revere? That horse just ain't gonna cut it, today. Both sides can alert their citizenry by so many other ways. And it would have to be "secure" (encrypted) for the other side not become aware. And I'm not even beginning to think about the battles themselves and the logistics involved and, even most fundamentally, the "wet team" work that would be required afterwards. Do you think the modern day society would be willing to sacrifice the shedding of all that "red liquid?" Way much more than in our forefather's time?

    And here's the other thing. A lot of us who think an RV 2.0 might the answer (and yes, I've pondered it occasionally), are much more on the "Senior" side of life than most others, I'd think. At least, I am, anyway. I have to wonder how much longer I'd have left on this Earth, and is it sufficient time after the end of RV 2.0 for me to enjoy the benefit of it (having survived/endured all the risk of it) to make it worthwhile? I don't know, honestly. I know the priority would be all of society that share our beliefs, etc and we should do it for them. And Hell, I have a niece and nephew that will inherit all this mess after I'm long gone. But that question would be on my mind and weigh heavily with me.

    This RV 2.0 will have to be "politically" based, not physical conflict. I don't think society would accept another domestic physical conflict with all that "wet team" work. Hell, look at all the $hit they gave us with Viet Nam and that wasn't even our conflict! We're going to have to do this politically. We're all going to have to get up off our collective asses and (literally) "drain the swamp," and put our own people in place. We're going to have to ensure that we can (somehow) get control of the Military so that we do have that force and weaponry on our side if ever needed. We have to think like Pres. Trump and start having more babies.... More "conservative" babies. We need to start homeschooling them. And then we need them to become our new politicians so we can continue to drain the swamp. Is it possible? Feasible? Yes, it is. But everyone has to get up off their assess and "get busy!"
    I recall not too long ago that the Taliban and the baddies in Iraq held off the most powerful military in the world for 20 years.

    Yes I know we were allowed to win for whatever reason that day brought. But they held their own pretty well for a bunch of "cave dwellers".......

    But to each his own.

    No one is having babies, except for the wrong people these days.

    Doc
     
    I recall not too long ago that the Taliban and the baddies in Iraq held off the most powerful military in the world for 20 years.

    Yes I know we were allowed to win for whatever reason that day brought. But they held their own pretty well for a bunch of "cave dwellers".......

    But to each his own.

    No one is having babies, except for the wrong people these days.

    Doc

    And that's my point. If we're going to be successful, we have to start having more babies than they do. And teaching the existing ones what it means to live in the society we want for them. In essence we have to "un-indoctrinate" and "re-indoctrinate" to our way of thinking. We're going to have to do that regardless of whether the RV is "physical" or "political." And the thing about the Taliban was that it was a far smaller scale than what a full RV 2.0 would be if we went that way. Could the Taliban handle all the Nukes, the bombs, all the things the US could bring to bear if we went "all in?"
     
    So what's everyone's breaking point. Our forefathers got pissed at the high tax and no representation.

    We are at this point once again. So when is everyone gonna say fuck the system and finally hit the reset button.

    Seriously, when are we finally going to stand up for ourselves and say enough is enough.

    Not asking for a friend.....


    Doc
    Careful, you're about to be called a glowie.
     
    Seriously, when are we finally going to stand up for ourselves and say enough is enough.
    On our terms, Never, would be my answer, but we could be forced into it by others, more pissed off about changes Trump is/has/will made/make than us. A simple large scale power outage could cascade into a major reset, real quick. We have had a long period of calm in this country, and the storm will arrive at some point. We need to be ready to take full advantage of it and not be washer woman when it arrives. Harden your heart & do whats required when the time presents its self,...

    Kids having their allowance cut off throw tantrums, as do people used to having their way all the time. Both types are always unpredictable, just be ready for when the foot stomping ends and it gets real.
     
    I imagine it would look a lot like that dude in NY who whacked that CEO. Only 1000's more.
    I guess like you said, Taliban, guerilla warfare, overwhelm the response.
    If I had to guess.

    In that case, it would have to be "pinpoint" surgical accuracy in re: those guerilla tactics. We'd have to know precisely who needs to be targeted, the priority in which they need to be targeted and know that the targeting tactics would work.

    As I type this, I was watching a Newsmax special called "Mossad." One of the ops they featured was the assassination attempt of Khaled Mashal, an official in Hamas. They (Mossad) attempted to assassinate him in Jordan and retreat before anyone knew it was them. They would approach him, spray a narc nased poison all over his neck to get into his skin (and, simultaneously, disguise that with spraying a shaken Coca Cola can). But they got caught and chased by a mob. It took a lot of negotiation with King Hussein and the supply of an antidote for the poison to get Hussein not to tear up the peace treaty just negotiated with Bill Clinton and the Israelis.

    If guerilla tactics like that would be successful and on the scale it would need to happen, they'd have to get a lot better at it.