Speaking of stimulus

[hlee]

Regardless of how you feel about the stimulus package, an employer garnishing your wages based on what they expect your check to be- to ease their payroll burden- is a douche nozzle move. I wish the article had outed the company...

Austin company looking to dock paychecks for those receiving stimulus checks

“I think that this violates at least one law that we know of out there,” Austin labor attorney Austin Kaplan told KXAN.

www.kxan.com

 

[Centuriator]

Did anyone catch the name of that company?

 

[Maggot]

Did anyone catch the name of that company?

Sounds like a job for
Thesis

 

[Arc Light]

Agreed. Sleazy, greedy companies can always be counted on to stick it to their workers, one way or another.

Wonder if the CEO will reduce his salary?

 

[ggmanning]

I am a business owner with 8 employees. Paying them right on through this and yes with no personal paycheck. How can it be seen as a bad thing to ask them to take less salary from me equal to the stimulus they receive? I would in no way sticking my staff. They are still getting paid in full with no business income and me taking no salary as well as the loss of overhead paying them full salaries and their health insurance. Maybe a good argument with big corporations but certainly not with the multitude of small businesses out there. So I have no salary......I am paying my staff in full while the business loses thousands and I would be an ass to expect them to not make more than their normal salary (full pay +stimulus monies) through all this while the business struggles to stay afloat. If the business sinks they have no job when it's over. People are all about the owner or the man taking all the hit so they can live as usual....that is a total disregard of the small business owner who stands to lose everything and there are millions. Personally I havent planned to do this but I can certainly sympathize with the notion.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Lets just see if I've got this correct,
Pass laws allowing legalized theft via taxes,....check
When people don't plan past their nose, dangle their own tax money back at them,...check.
Pay the ones who paid into the system the lowest or never paid in, the highest amount of the,...fuck the debt lets make more dependent on the gov,...check
Sow the seeds of hate-trad between the different classes,....check.
Keep growing the national debt, by paying people to be sorry'er than they all ready are,....because the gov has no foresight past it's nose,....is that about it,... or have I missed something?

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

My .02 cents

If people are still working then it's a nice bonus. Lucky them.

If they are NOT working and the business is losing money to pay them for doing ZERO work. Well they should STFU and be grateful if they get 1$ more than unemployment would pay.

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

I just hope people start calling it Trump bucks.

 

[The DFC]

Agreed. Sleazy, greedy companies can always be counted on to stick it to their workers, one way or another.

Wonder if the CEO will reduce his salary?

Liberal talking points 101.

 

[Arc Light]

Liberal talking points 101.

Sorry, if you take government money, that money can come with strings attached. Nothing to do with liberal. How about NOT taking the government handouts and you can do whatever you want with your employees?

 

[The DFC]

Sorry, if you take government money, that money can come with strings attached. Nothing to do with liberal. How about NOT taking the government handouts and you can do whatever you want with your employees?

Government wouldn't have any money if it weren't corporations.

 

[Centuriator]

Is the theory that the money the government is distributing to many Americans is going to help "boost" the economy because that money will be spent on "stuff" and the "making and selling and buying of stuff" is the basis for our economy, society and even culture?

My wife and I planning on taking the $$$ the government "gives" us (it's our money to begin with) and just squirrel it away.

 

[supercorndogs]

Government wouldn't have any money if it weren't corporations.

Is it your assertion that corporations contribute the largest amount of money to the tax base?

 

[The DFC]

Is it your assertion that corporations contribute the largest amount of money to the tax base?

They contribute all of the money. Hope this helps.


Edit-let me be more succint-corporations in some way shape or form are responsible for almost all of the Governments money.

 

[supercorndogs]

I don't think succinct is the proper word for such a vague and broad description of where all tax monies come from, but no they do not all or even mostly come from corporations.

Policy Basics: Where Do Federal Tax Revenues Come From? | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

In fiscal year 2019, the federal government spent $4.4 trillion on the services it provides, such as national defense, health care programs like Medicare and Medicaid, Social Security benefits for...

www.cbpp.org

So whats your assertion, that income tax is paid buy corporations and not the people being paid for a service by them?

 

[DairyDictator]

I just hope people start calling it Trump bucks.

It's called "Orange Man Monies"

 

[TheGerman]

Poor People Payments

You're welcome, poors.

 

[DairyDictator]

Sorry, if you take government money, that money can come with strings attached. Nothing to do with liberal. How about NOT taking the government handouts and you can do whatever you want with your employees?

In this very specific case, no it absolutely should not come with strings attached. This is not a bailout. The government came in and shut down all the businesses, so it's very much not the businesses' faults. The relief money is compliance with the takings clause, not a bailout. If the government takes away something from you, such as your business for the next month or 2, then by law you must be compensated.

So the process is going something like this. Virus breaks out, very little to no information is available for 3 months (thanks to China's garbage commie regime), virus hits our shores, government shuts down 70% of businesses then proceeds to dangle some money in front of those businesses but tells them they can't have it unless they do things the gov wants them to.

See anything wrong with that?

Since it's been seen that government has the power to shut all this shit down, imagine everything about the virus is removed from the equation.

 

[The DFC]

I don't think succinct is the proper word for such a vague and broad description of where all tax monies come from, but no they do not all or even mostly come from corporations.

Policy Basics: Where Do Federal Tax Revenues Come From? | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

In fiscal year 2019, the federal government spent $4.4 trillion on the services it provides, such as national defense, health care programs like Medicare and Medicaid, Social Security benefits for...

www.cbpp.org

So whats your assertion, that income tax is paid buy corporations and not the people being paid for a service by them?

Where do they come from then?

edit-I didn't see/read your post below the link. It's getting into a chicken and egg debate-but the people wouldn't have jobs-to pay the income tax-if it weren't for the corporations in the first place. That's my point.

 

[BLEE]

I guess I'm just a violent person, but somebody would get an ass whoopin for that.

 

[The DFC]

In this very specific case, no it absolutely should not come with strings attached. This is not a bailout. The government came in and shut down all the businesses, so it's very much not the businesses' faults. The relief money is compliance with the takings clause, not a bailout. If the government takes away something from you, such as your business for the next month or 2, then by law you must be compensated.

So the process is going something like this. Virus breaks out, very little to no information is available for 3 months (thanks to China's garbage commie regime), virus hits our shores, government shuts down 70% of businesses then proceeds to dangle some money in front of those businesses but tells them they can't have it unless they do things the gov wants them to.

See anything wrong with that?

Since it's been seen that government has the power to shut all this shit down, imagine everything about the virus is removed from the equation.

I mostly agree with this. BTW aren't the Trump bux going directly to people via IRS? Corporations have their own relief measures.

 

[acudaowner]

brian , you know what they say , somethings in life are bad they can really make you mad other things just make you want to scream and curse
when you chewing on life's gristle don't grumble give a whistle and this will help things turn out for the best always look on the bright side of life :

 

[DairyDictator]

I don't think succinct is the proper word for such a vague and broad description of where all tax monies come from, but no they do not all or even mostly come from corporations.

Policy Basics: Where Do Federal Tax Revenues Come From? | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

In fiscal year 2019, the federal government spent $4.4 trillion on the services it provides, such as national defense, health care programs like Medicare and Medicaid, Social Security benefits for...

www.cbpp.org

So whats your assertion, that income tax is paid buy corporations and not the people being paid for a service by them?

If by that you mean not directly, sure. However, if you consider workers income tax, social security, and medicare which is matched by the company they work for, and the tax the CEO's of these companies pay, that makes up most of federal income. So indirectly, these corporations do make up a very large portion of the tax base.

 

[DairyDictator]

I mostly agree with this. BTW aren't the Trump bux going directly to people via IRS? Corporations have their own relief measures.

It's my understanding that a few billion are going directly to the IRS for disbursement, but there are a lot of corporation relief packages in the 2.2 Trillion dollar bill.

 

[The DFC]

It's my understanding that a few billion are going directly to the IRS for disbursement, but there are a lot of corporation relief packages in the 2.2 Trillion dollar bill.

Right. I read that the Repubs wanted to give a much higher % to the Corps and the Dems wanted to give a much higher % to the people direct. They met somewhere in between.

 

[DairyDictator]

Right. I read that the Repubs wanted to give a much higher % to the Corps and the Dems wanted to give a much higher % to the people direct. They met somewhere in between.

I believe the main quarrel they had was dems wanted unemployment to be 100% your normal salary plus $600, but that would incentivize people to not go back to work.

 

[Centuriator]

I believe the main quarrel they had was dems wanted unemployment to be 100% your normal salary plus $600, but that would incentivize people to not go back to work.

That actually did make it into the legislation. Conceivably people will make more unemployed than they do employed (in lower paying jobs, of course), thus incentivizing people to be unemployed.

 

[Centuriator]

All this talk about "corporations bad" and "workers good" ... neglects this fundamental reality: guess what provides jobs? Companies, big, small and all sizes in between.

 

[The DFC]

I believe the main quarrel they had was dems wanted unemployment to be 100% your normal salary plus $600, but that would incentivize people to not go back to work.

Yes that's true.

 

[DairyDictator]

All this talk about "corporations bad" and "workers good" ... neglects this fundamental reality: guess what provides jobs? Companies, big, small and all sizes in between.

That's exactly why I cringe every time I hear a conversation bitching about corporations being "greedy." Strangely enough, the best business practices generally benefit workers, the company, and the consumer all at once. It really isn't a zero sum game.

 

[The DFC]

All this talk about "corporations bad" and "workers good" ... neglects this fundamental reality: guess what provides jobs? Companies, big, small and all sizes in between.

That's exactly why I cringe every time I hear a conversation bitching about corporations being "greedy." Strangely enough, the best business practices generally benefit workers, the company, and the consumer all at once. It really isn't a zero sum game.

Exactly. Not to mention-they make almost all of the stuff we need and use.

 

[niteshooter]

Some people just don’t understand that pulling shit like that can put them in need of sudden urgent dental care.
And lately, most dentists in Texas are closed.

 

[Centuriator]

And while "big corporations" get the most attention, there is also this reality: the small businesses are the actual "backbone" of our economy, employing the majority of our workforce.

 

[Flyingdog5000]

That actually did make it into the legislation. Conceivably people will make more unemployed than they do employed (in lower paying jobs, of course), thus incentivizing people to be unemployed.

You are only eligible for unemployment if you lose your job, i.e. laid off or fired. If you quit, or refuse to return to work, you aren't getting anything.

 

[Flyingdog5000]

Yes that's true.

From what I read, an unemployed person will get whatever the normal unemployment allowance is in their state. The feds will add $600/wk to that. If you were making minimum wage, this would probably put you at a higher income, but for those making more, it might not.

 

[supercorndogs]

Where do they come from then?

edit-I didn't see/read your post below the link. It's getting into a chicken and egg debate-but the people wouldn't have jobs-to pay the income tax-if it weren't for the corporations in the first place. That's my point.

There are no corporations without workers. There are no corporations without customers. That is a moot point to the statement that corporations contribute all of our tax dollars. You are trying to explain a complicated subject in much too broad of terms. Whats worse is I don't think you understand what you are talking about.

Where Federal Revenue Comes From & How It’s Spent

The federal government’s largest expenditures are Social Security, defense and Medicare. Its biggest revenue sources are individual, payroll and corporate income taxes. Your Guide to America’s Finances explains.

www.stlouisfed.org

Corporation's certainly do not contribute "all of our tax dollars." Not even most in fact. Thats not even counting the un-voted on taxes, they now call "fees" and property and sales tax. The majority of tax revenue comes from taking from the majority of people. I.E the middle class.

They make everything we need. Now you are just being silly. They shipped the making of everything we need to China.

 

[Centuriator]

You are only eligible for unemployment if you lose your job, i.e. laid off or fired. If you quit, or refuse to return to work, you aren't getting anything.

Correct, and if I did not make my point clearly enough, that's on me. BUT ... the point is that if you are unemployed due to virus issues, you may well make MORE being unemployed, than being unemployed, thus you are given zero incentive to get back to work, rather, you can sit back and collect more income on the government doll than working.

 

[DairyDictator]

There are no corporations without workers. There are no corporations without customers. That is a moot point to the statement that corporations contribute all of our tax dollars. You are trying to explain a complicated subject in much too broad of terms. Whats worse is I don't think you understand what you are talking about.

Where Federal Revenue Comes From & How It’s Spent

The federal government’s largest expenditures are Social Security, defense and Medicare. Its biggest revenue sources are individual, payroll and corporate income taxes. Your Guide to America’s Finances explains.

www.stlouisfed.org

Corporation's certainly do not contribute "all of our tax dollars." Not even most in fact. Thats not even counting the un-voted on taxes, they now call "fees" and property and sales tax. The majority of tax revenue comes from taking from the majority of people. I.E the middle class.

They make everything we need. Now you are just being silly. They shipped the making of everything we need to China.

And where are the workers or their tax dollars without corporations? If nobody takes the risk and builds the corporation then none of it exists.

 

[The DFC]

There are no corporations without workers. There are no corporations without customers. That is a moot point to the statement that corporations contribute all of our tax dollars. You are trying to explain a complicated subject in much too broad of terms. Whats worse is I don't think you understand what you are talking about.

Where Federal Revenue Comes From & How It’s Spent

The federal government’s largest expenditures are Social Security, defense and Medicare. Its biggest revenue sources are individual, payroll and corporate income taxes. Your Guide to America’s Finances explains.

www.stlouisfed.org

Corporation's certainly do not contribute "all of our tax dollars." Not even most in fact. Thats not even counting the un-voted on taxes, they now call "fees" and property and sales tax. The majority of tax revenue comes from taking from the majority of people. I.E the middle class.

They make everything we need. Now you are just being silly. They shipped the making of everything we need to China.

Sales tax is paid for with the money they make from their job. The item or service they're paying sales tax on is supplied by a corporation. Property tax is paid for with income from their job. The wood used in building their house is provided by a corporation.

BTW the computer/smartphone you're using was invented and manufactured by a corporation.

Corporations in some way shape or form are basically responsible for nearly all tax revenue and the stuff we buy and need regardless of where.

Of course corporations are comprised of people and would be nothing without them-but the corporations are the ones that ultimately provide the jobs.

 

[Ravenworks]

That actually did make it into the legislation. Conceivably people will make more unemployed than they do employed (in lower paying jobs, of course), thus incentivizing people to be unemployed.

Why not tell the rest of the story?
What was bad is how Obama handled unemployment.
He made it a 99 week benefit instead of the regular 24-26 weeks.
As it stand the add on is only good for 7 weeks or until Nancy and Chuck complain some more.

The Democrats wanted everybody to get a check regardless of who they are.
Now comes AOC, complaining that her undocumented immigrants don't get anything.
That cock gobbler reminds me of the filty snot nosed kid sticking their hand in the candy jar not worrying about anyone else.

 

[Hellmudd Bones]

I just hope people start calling it Trump bucks.

Thrump Bucks. Lol

 

[Hellmudd Bones]

 

[Centuriator]

Strategy will be unveiled on Tuesday...is it possible April 30 deadline may be extended?

Trump: We hope not, but .... we have aspirational thought...maybe it will come down, we can't take any chances. Because of what we have done. The question is, "Why don't we just wing it and see what happens." 2.2 million people would have died, we will have a press conference on Tuesday, I decided to announce end of April, now, today. We have to do a very good job for a couple more weeks.

I'm so glad Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx gave us a number, on the outside...we don't know....2.2 million deaths, now we are looking at numbers. much lower, makes everything we are doing seem much better.

Will we have more people die of the economic impact/mental health issues...Trump is saying, "yes, we will have depression, large numbers of suicides. Yes, we will have increased suicide, drug addiction, we will have people so depressed...."

 

[Centuriator]

Somebody please help Trump learn how to pronounce the word "scourge." Now he is rambling on about deaths from suicide and depression, now emphasizing getting the worst-case death rates down.

During additional 30 days do you anticipate relaxing restrictions by region? No, I don't think so. We are relying on our best experts and the idea of regional lifting of restrictions...not good idea.

I want them to appreciate me, but the administration...here is the story...appreciative of me...and then you cut it off. I'm talking about the whole task force.....if they don't treat me right....I don't call, but Pence does.

 

[Lesch]

The amount of ignorance is disheartening.....this is why we in the mess we are.

 

[Centuriator]

So sick of the media trying to "get" Trump....now he is ripping CNN .... you have known the truth for days you bring up the lie, you left out the rest of my statement. You did not quote me entirely. I was speaking of disrespecting all the people working on them. For political reasons people do not want to give us credit. CNN is not trusted. They are fake news...yes, you are.

CDC guidelines in place for another month.

It sounds like America will be shut down for the next few weeks. Maybe for next few months. Trump is saying that by June 1 we will be out of the worst times.

 

[Centuriator]

By June 1 we think we will be at the "bottom of the hill" .... maybe sooner, maybe later, but if we save millions of lives, people will be happy.

2.2 Trillion relief bill...do you think another relief bill may be necessary, are you prepared to support it?

I'm committed to save lives and bring economy back. A lot of the money is coming back, these are loans that will be coming. We will make a lot of money, but 1) saving lives; 2) bringing economy back.

Pres. Trump, you tweeted that over 8 million people, but certain networks don't cover these press conferences, if the ratings were low, CNN would not be here. For the most part, I've not heard of this, but the Washington Post won't cover.

We are getting accurate word out. I have the experts speaking here and people want to here all these people. We want to win the battle against these deadly viruses. This is what they do. Nobody does it better.

The American public should be the deciders, if they don't want to watch, don't watch. The TIMES declare ratings higher than monday night news....even they say the ratings are in the millions.

 

[Centuriator]

Did top economic advisors say not to leave guidelines in place? NO. Some people say, "Just ride it out" but this is where 2.2 million people may have died. This is not acceptable. Trump talked about the flu season...this is different. Part of this is the unknown, the visciousness of it. I had a friend went to a hospital, little older and heavy, a day later he is in a coma. Not doing well. The speed and viciousness of it...

 

[Centuriator]

We are hearing New Orleans going to get hit hard because of Mardi Gras...yes, LA and Chicago ... Detroit and Dearborn...numbers are going up. When people get it some people do very poorly. Metro areas really go quickly. We are putting all effort into mitigation, treatment....we have to have people in fast growing areas, now we are looking at Rockland, we have to have people monitor themselves. It can't go from 500 cases to 2,000 then 4,000 then 10,000 ... people get very sick, very quickly.

Fauci: This can happen anywhere, this is what we are concerned about and why we need to put our foot on the gas, not the brake. Cities, states, trickling along....do NOT get complacent. The virus hits hard and hits fast and numbers increase rapidly, trying to avoid across country. Many areas are very vulnerable very quickly.

Trump says he will take test again. Trump talking about things happening in our country never seen before. Bodies are stacking up, trucks pulling up refrigerated to take bodies out.

 

[MtnCreek]

Stimulus.