I load mine to 2.800, but am limited by mag length so haven’t played around much with other lengths.
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Staball 6.5 loads.
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And that’s with a creed? jeez, what mag are you using? I’d look at swapping it out to a better one that allows more length.
My accurate mag with binder plate allows up to 2.900
Well that's at 2.88 mag length. I could technically go to 2.9 but I don't want it to rub the tip. It's AI mags
Comparator length of chamber is 2.520
Holy crap, at those lengths you’re still jumping over a quarter inch?!
I guess in the end it is what it is. I know with matchburners in my creed I couldn’t touch but with other bullets it was as expected, long but not that long.
Hope my proof prefit leaning in the corner is a bit shorter. Especially with your shooting a 147 eld. Oh well, enough staball sidetrack.
Never mind, I just screwed up my zero on the calipers. It's ok. I can get to about 10 though off with mag length
That's the bullet I'm shooting but I can't quite get that close without hitting in the mag. I'm sure glad that measurement was a screw up... I was really pissed for a while there....
IIRC, I'm only at COAL" 2.845" through a Win Tac barrel, luckily. Lots of room to spare in my AI mags.That's the bullet I'm shooting but I can't quite get that close without hitting in the mag. I'm sure glad that measurement was a screw up... I was really pissed for a while there....
Good luck w/ the load development.
I'm very curious to know how my seating depth test is going to go....or what it's going to show rather. I did 5 rounds each of
.010 off ( this is about as close as I can get and still fit in the mag)
.015 off
.025 off
.035 off
.045 off
If I was shooting a HPBT bullet, I would be able to get to the lands with ease I'm pretty sure. That plastic tip on the ELD-M is what sticks out and makes it not possible to get to the lands with mag length COAL
43.5
My chrono results from yesterday for that range
43.3gr - 2803 fps
43.5 gr - (didn't shoot due to other issue)
43.7 gr 2812 fps
These grouped about .3 moa also, so this is the node I used for seating test as well as about 20 more rounds to check dope that I seated them all at 15 thou off
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You haven't chrono-ed any yet have you? I went up to 44.5 grains and didn't ever hit any pressure issues, though I might have felt my bolt get slighy heavy. Absolutely zero swipe or primer issues. I also didn't see any other node wider than .2 grain increase . Might have that at or below 42 grains though. I wanted to run a little faster than 2700 though if it would and it seems to have worked out that I can run just over 2800fps and be at 43.5 grains, while having a .2 grain variance on either side of that and it only vary 4 fps or so.
Ohhhhhh..... about like me letting my 5 year old to help with loading..... very risky proposition. Doesn't take long to get her back on though.... just move target to 50 yds and bore sight it and dial it back in with whatever load you know doesn't have pressure. You can load like 10 of em and then have the other test loads to shoot after. That's basically what I did because I had removed my scope and all to put this new barrel on. Mine didn't take much to get back right.Yesterday sucked ass. I used my test series to rezero the rifle. I let my nephew use my rifle. I told him to zero the scope turrets. He did, all the way to zero. Even through the zero stop.
If I have to rezero, I typically will hold on dead center target and take one shot, then hold it on center while I adjust my reticle to where the bullet hit with both windage and elevation. It gets me super close with 2 shots and good to go for group shooting. Once my load is set for sure, I dial in my zero at 100 to perfection.
For you guys with Proof pre-fits that's what I'm running as well(Origin). Not that you need any help, but figured I'd throw my results out there given the barrel specs. I tested HPBT 140, ELDM 140, Match Burner 140 and Berger Hybrid Target 140. To cut to the chase the Bergers were the easy winner and Match Burner easy 2nd place. Really all bullets shot well at 100, but the last 2 performed like champs all the way to a mile. For one reason or another the Hornadys did not fare as well for me once subsonic and I completely admit it could be me and my lack of reloading skill which exacerbated it. Having said that the Barnes and Berger appear to be 'idiot proof' in my hands so I sought life where it was welcome. Neither care where I seat them, but I do have to say I'm going to do a bit more testing closer to the lands one of these days. I loaded up a batch of Barnes to jam while fire forming some new Lapoo and dang they shot amazingly well....noticeably better at 1k, but did not do any paper confirmation. We had no camera at a mile so was playing on IPSC heads at 800 and 1k just flinging gems all morning long. Love this Proof barrel so much just bought it's replacement from Front Range/Owen yesterday.....mine is showing no signs of death coming up on 1700 rounds, but I don't need to seek life anywhere else once this one is gone I've been that pleased with the Proof. For those who aren't aware Front Range has a price so low for this barrel right now I had to do a double take I was typing my credit card number at lightspeed.
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Any pet 6 creed loads out there with 108 eldms 26 inch barrel hopefully around 3050 that seems to be my sweet spot with h4350
I didn't really learn anything with my seating depth test. I should have waited until I was at 100 yards instead of shooting it at 200.
On another note, I got a lot of heavy bolt lift today with 43.5 gr of powder. I didn't experience that when I first did the powder test and went well above that too. Had some light swipe going on too. I'm going to post pics of my cases and see if I can get help figuring this out later
Later pics: anyone have any ideas why I am getting pressure now with these???
On another note, I got a lot of heavy bolt lift today with 43.5 gr of powder. I didn't experience that when I first did the powder test and went well above that too. Had some light swipe going on too. I'm going to post pics of my cases and see if I can get help figuring this out later
Later pics: anyone have any ideas why I am getting pressure now with these???
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I'm going to try S&B brass cci 250 primers Sierra 140 SBT and 43gn of staball 6.5.
All this StaBall talk got me motivated to go out and shoot my zero distance today. (162 yards)
Load was developed in late spring with some Peterson Brass I picked up from the Hide.
Has not changed much...
6.5 CM 140 Bergs
Lost .0297 moa but added 2 rounds to the group.
40.80 gr (corrected for weather)
2.9900" COAL
2702 avg velocity
Load was developed in late spring with some Peterson Brass I picked up from the Hide.
Has not changed much...
6.5 CM 140 Bergs
Lost .0297 moa but added 2 rounds to the group.
40.80 gr (corrected for weather)
2.9900" COAL
2702 avg velocity
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Just got some Berger bullets in from another hide guy so they will be tested in short order and I will report back.
Soooo.... I went out and shot the Hornady again (with lesser powder charges since I got pressure at 43.5gr), and I shot the Berger 130 VLD. Really happy with the Berger groups at a very wide range of charges. Decent speed. I think this is the route I'm going to go. So I will have a box of ELDM to sell soon...
Here is the best gerger group on 1/4" graph paper.
I haven't measured yet but I will with calipers. Probably a .25 or so 5 shot group. This is at 20 thou off.
I will give the speeds when I get back to my book, crazy right now with kids, one of which is sick with both ears infected.... I think they were in the 2800 fps range, which is fine.
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I'd really like to shoot a heavier Berger so I can shoot to 1500 with it supersonic. If I can even do that. Ideally I want this gun/round to be able to shoot tiny groups at 100 and shoot to 1500 with the same load.... that may be a pipe dream but that's the goal anyway.
Strelock says I'd have to run a 147 at 3000 fps or better to get there and so that could be an issue.....???? Might be able to but of course I'm trying to do it with staball....
Strelock says I'd have to run a 147 at 3000 fps or better to get there and so that could be an issue.....???? Might be able to but of course I'm trying to do it with staball....
I loaded another set of test series. One with 1x fired hornady brass and 43 to 44gn powder with sierra 140 bthp. The other using 1x fired S&B brass and 43 to 44gn powder and 140 ELD-M. I want to see if it is the hornady brass or 140 ELD-M bullets that won't group.
Run your current load way the hell out there. I think you might be surprised once you figure out where the hell its hitting. You’ll be better off going up in caliber and pure cartridge size than just a smidge of weight within the same caliber if you’re serious about 1500.
You think so? I was just using these burgers because I had em, it's a little lighter than I planned one. The 153.5 hybrid will easy do a mile and stay super running it at 2850....
I will definitely try it out and see what happens. Of course I have to have a place to actually shoot that far.....
I know you're trying to keep the bullet weight up but I had good luck with the 142's at longer distances.
Powerade Bottle with bullet still inside was at 1760.
The Liter Coke Bottle was at 2060.
You have those 130's tight in the group up above.
147's @3000fps no problem...with a 37" barrel !!
I'm sure someone is out there pushing those speeds...not this Kidd.
Powerade Bottle with bullet still inside was at 1760.
The Liter Coke Bottle was at 2060.
You have those 130's tight in the group up above.
147's @3000fps no problem...with a 37" barrel !!
I'm sure someone is out there pushing those speeds...not this Kidd.
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That's some damn fine shooting right there bud!
I only wanted a bigger bullet to get the distance without running at 3300 fps or some crazy fast speed. If it will shoot to 1500 or better then the lighter the better. I have some LRHT Berger bullets on the way that are 153.5. Running those at 2800-2850 will get me what I'm after or more so, hopefully they will group like the 130's did.
I tried to run the 150 SMK's back when they dropped and they were really accurate as long as I didn't shoot past 17 feet...
The whole faster than a 8 twist thing was real in my case.
140 is pretty much my game.
If I really wanna be accurate for a snazzy shorter shot then I drop to the 130's.
The whole faster than a 8 twist thing was real in my case.
140 is pretty much my game.
If I really wanna be accurate for a snazzy shorter shot then I drop to the 130's.
Yeah I can dial that far with my 20moa rail. If I ran that 153.5 at 2900, I'm still supersonic at a mile(not by a lot though) and I'd dial 18.5 mil.
That assumes I can shoot that big Ole bullet with my 8 twist, and group tight
I'm not going that fast yet, but yeah I could. My goal is 1500 yards though with it, not a mile. I can dial to 18.7mil as is without changing my basic set up with my kohl's 525. But, at 1500 I'm dialing 15.5mil running that bullet at 2800, which is in line with the speeds I've been running the others at. I did get that 130 to 2937 fps today but that was just pressure testing. I don't want to run that fastAnd you’re going that fast in a creed, you’re really stomping on it
On the topic of speed.
I posted a video to YTube awhile back titled Case Life.
Essentially following a Lot to retirement.
I stopped using it at 42x because I ran out of the bullet and couldn't justify testing through another development on such weathered brass.
Anyways, you put some gas behind them and I was curious what life you're getting from your cases.
Documented information is better if you keep good logs.
Also curious at what elevation you're shooting at?
I ask because I enjoy the "what effects what" aspect to reloading.
I posted a video to YTube awhile back titled Case Life.
Essentially following a Lot to retirement.
I stopped using it at 42x because I ran out of the bullet and couldn't justify testing through another development on such weathered brass.
Anyways, you put some gas behind them and I was curious what life you're getting from your cases.
Documented information is better if you keep good logs.
Also curious at what elevation you're shooting at?
I ask because I enjoy the "what effects what" aspect to reloading.
I am at 500 feet elevation. I keep fairly good records but just the number of firings on the brass and I've only used it a few times since I just got this barrel with this caliber.
Hornady brass, 44gn. Staball 6.5, 140gn. Sierra hpbt, 2.80" coal, .33" group. 
Very nice. I got pressure signs with 43.5 with the 147gr Hornady. It didn't do it the first time, but the next time out it did. How fast are you running them with that 44gr?Hornady brass, 44gn. Staball 6.5, 140gn. Sierra hpbt, 2.80" coal, .33" group.
Just got some 153.5 lrht burgers in the mail, going to load some up with my seating depth tests I'm doing for the 130 Berger and 147 horn
I'm weighing each charhe on my fx120 also for my seating depth tests
I'm weighing each charhe on my fx120 also for my seating depth tests
Hate it when that happens. Hard to leave everything in the truck... last time I left my dang rear bag.... luckily the rangemaster shoots long range and had some socks filled with old corn cob media that he uses for a rear bag and he let me borrow one.I forgot the chronograph.
I'm going to play w/mine a little more, but I had good luck w/the berger @ 0.030" off the lands. Think I'll try 0.025" & 0.020" next as 0.015" off opened the groups up considerably compared to 0.030" for me. YMMV.
Interesting. I have a pretty good seating depth test for the Berger 130s but haven't shot em yet. I still have to check for pressure (which is loaded but not shot), them have to see where the powder charge needs to be with these new 153.5 bergers before I can play with seating depth on these.
It's interesting that you have better groups with 30 thou off though. All I ever hear about Berger is "they like to be touching the lands".....
What barrel are you shooting?
