Okay, should I drop the coin on an 8 pound jug of StaBall Hd, or continue to grab 1 pound cans of H1000 as they come available? Shooting 300 Win Mag.
StaBall HD vs H1000
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I didn't have a chrono when I was using it before, so I don't have velocity data using it, but it was pretty accurate with 208 g ELD-Ms for me...I might go grab a pound and load up a brick just to get velocities.
Same. Bought a pound to try in my 300winmag with 215's and I just couldn't get the speed that I could with h1k or magpro. Shooting N165 now and loving it.
What kind of velocities are you getting? Looking at their load data for 208g, the velocities are pretty low...
I'd have to dig through my targets and see, buy I think it maxed out around 2850. And it was on the hot side. I gotta have 2900 to make me happy. I'm sitting pretty at 2905 with the N165.
I'm getting 2950 using HD pushing Berger 208's in Lapua brass and Fed 215's from a 30" barrel. But I'm just using the minimum charge of 78.3 from Hodgdon's load data.
I'm not at home so I don't have my notes in front of me... And I don't remember my COAL/CBTO off hand. But they're about .060" off the lands. They're fairly long but still fit comfortably in an AICS CIP length mag.
I could probably bump up the charge a bit more. But they shoot fine at that charge and I figured I'd go easy on the brass.
Mike
If you don't shoot very far and are only making small batches where you don't mind getting DOPE for the small batch and calling it good enough, then you can run anything.
However, if you tend to try and shoot far with larger batches, and those batches might get shot over wider temp swings where the DOPE matters, then you run with a single base extruded powder.
Don't get me wrong, StaBallHD is a good ball powder, but it is not the equal of something like a modern single base extruded powder like H1000 or N165 in terms of stability.
However, if you tend to try and shoot far with larger batches, and those batches might get shot over wider temp swings where the DOPE matters, then you run with a single base extruded powder.
Don't get me wrong, StaBallHD is a good ball powder, but it is not the equal of something like a modern single base extruded powder like H1000 or N165 in terms of stability.
How hot a load are you running? Their data is only showing 2818 at max charge.
That's the kick, I am shooting for distance, but I'm usually hitting the range with150-200 rounds each trip. I can't maintain that if I can't get the powder in bulk.
My chamber was built around a 215 seated way out. It's got a little more boiler room than a saami chamber. Running cip mags. Base to ogive per my hornady comparator is 2.960"
Barrel is a 26" bartlein.
Thanks. I cranked out 1/2 a box of loads with Satball HD and I'll get velocities tomorrow if it doesn't rain.
I did. It's spectacular stuff in the velocity department. I'd like to see this barrel last at least 1,200 rounds though so I swore it off.
Hodgdon: Retumbo, 8 lb.
This magnum, extruded powder was designed expressly for the really large over-bored cartridges such as the 7mm Remington Ultra Magnum, 300 Remington Ultra Magnum, 30-378 Weatherby Magnum, etc.
www.milehighshooting.com
8 lb jugs at Mile High for $395 right now.
Mike
Just went back and looked at my book. I absolutely maxed out at 79.5gr of staballHD in norma brass. Winchester standard large rifle primers gave me the best es/sd. Oal was 2.9" base to ogive per my hornady comparator. At that length I was jumping the 215 hybrid .055" in my chamber. Velocity was 2880ish.
Approach with caution. It was stout.
Approach with caution. It was stout.
Regular primers, not Magnums?
I have some loaded at 80gr, I'll see what I get from those.
Yes, standard large rifle. I actually use them alot. Even BR2's have done well for me. In the climate down here on the gulf, ignition of powder in extreme cold isn't really an issue lol.
75gr of N165 in norma brass with a 215m. 215 hybrid loaded to 2.960" which is .005" jam in my chamber. Did that by mistake and it shot so I just went with it.
This was last Saturday at 600 yards. 3" shoot n see. Had one get away from me. Probably bad form on my part.
Been running H1000 in a few different calibers for many many years here's my go to on my .300 Win Mag , screw all the new shit I will stick with what works..Plus I have 14 lbs in singles LOL
Update: 12-31-2014 Rifle: Remington 700 BDL Cartridge: .300 Win Mag
Powder Brand: Hodgdon H1000
Case Manufacturer: Hornady
Weight In Grains: 75gr
Bullet Type: Berger 210gr VLD Hunting #30515
Primer: CCI 250 Magnum Large Rifle
Rifle Chamber Length: 2.870
Fired Shoulder Case Length: 2.275
Trim Length: 2.610
Bullet Length: 1.470
Bullet Jump To Lands: +.015
Cartridge Overall Length: 3.524
Cartridge Ogive Length: 2.855
Speed Average: 2805 FPS
Scope Height: 2.113
Ballistic Coefficient: G1.625 G7.320
Update: 12-31-2014 Rifle: Remington 700 BDL Cartridge: .300 Win Mag
Powder Brand: Hodgdon H1000
Case Manufacturer: Hornady
Weight In Grains: 75gr
Bullet Type: Berger 210gr VLD Hunting #30515
Primer: CCI 250 Magnum Large Rifle
Rifle Chamber Length: 2.870
Fired Shoulder Case Length: 2.275
Trim Length: 2.610
Bullet Length: 1.470
Bullet Jump To Lands: +.015
Cartridge Overall Length: 3.524
Cartridge Ogive Length: 2.855
Speed Average: 2805 FPS
Scope Height: 2.113
Ballistic Coefficient: G1.625 G7.320
Well, today's plan just went south. Thank you for the rain, but it could held off for a FEW more hours....
So, I'll ho.d off ordering until I get chrono on the Staball HD. How is N165 for 1000 yards and over, with heavy bullets?
So, I'll ho.d off ordering until I get chrono on the Staball HD. How is N165 for 1000 yards and over, with heavy bullets?
I try to hit out once a week, weather permitting....which today it isn't.Every chance I get which I not as often as you Nice Work!!!, I would say once a month to 6 weeks on average with the .300.
I shoot mostly a .338LM when I go.
And just to poke at my AD brothers and sisters out doing God's work...
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Yes. That was the lowest sd it's ever given me. I shot two groups after that and they were 5 and 6 sd. As long as I get single digits I'm happy.
I've shot that load to a thousand a couple times. If I can stay on top of the wind I get about 90% hits on a 2/3 ipsc. South Texas wind is something else though. And I suck at reading wind. I only get to stretch out like that 3-4 times a year if I'm lucky.
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Heh, come up to North Central Texas, I'll show you some wind! My local range is out to 1430, so I get to go regular.
Yeah, it looks like y'all are in for some really good wind the next couple of days.
There's supposed to be a 1000 yard range happening local to me in the near future but I haven't heard any more about it. I got on the list for future membership. $500 a year though.
Yeah the weather killed my plans the next few days. Gravestone (my home range) is pricey too, at $800-ish a year, but it's a great facilty.
I had never consider N165 based off VV’s reloading data. Is that a compressed load? Wonder how much less volume Lapua brass has.
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