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Depends on the brand, I’m police and got access to Steiner.I’ve read a little about Expert Voice. How much of an expert or influencer do you have to be to get deals? Are the discounts significant?
Rob01, has Japanese glass surpassed German glass?Razor glass is a hair better but not so much better it a run away so would come down to specs and reticle.
Strange. My Steiner turret lock is not like that at all. I wonder if you might call Steiner? Anybody else experiencing this?The locking mechanism also is so stiff that I can't lock the turret without it moving. I Have to hold the turret with one hand and lock it with the other.
Mine isn’t stiff at all. I found it easy to unlock/lockStrange. My Steiner turret lock is not like that at all. I wonder if you might call Steiner? Anybody else experiencing this?
Rob01, has Japanese glass surpassed German glass?
My elevation lock is super stiff, just like @5RWill, I cannot unlock without manhandling the turret. Windage lock is nice and smooth and my previous T6Xi elevation was smooth as well. Definitely slipped through the QC cracks, there is a hex nut on top and I’m wondering if I loosen will that alleviate the tightness of the lock. Otherwise my brand new T6Xi needs to go back to Greeley for repairStrange. My Steiner turret lock is not like that at all. I wonder if you might call Steiner? Anybody else experiencing this?
Strange. My Steiner turret lock is not like that at all. I wonder if you might call Steiner? Anybody else experiencing thi
Hex nut should fix it. But call Steiner, their tech people actually personally answer the phone.My elevation lock is super stiff, just like @5RWill, I cannot unlock without manhandling the turret. Windage lock is nice and smooth and my previous T6Xi elevation was smooth as well. Definitely slipped through the QC cracks, there is a hex nut on top and I’m wondering if I loosen will that alleviate the tightness of the lock. Otherwise my brand new T6Xi needs to go back to Greeley for repair
I do not know if I would touch that hex nut . . .My elevation lock is super stiff, just like @5RWill, I cannot unlock without manhandling the turret. Windage lock is nice and smooth and my previous T6Xi elevation was smooth as well. Definitely slipped through the QC cracks, there is a hex nut on top and I’m wondering if I loosen will that alleviate the tightness of the lock. Otherwise my brand new T6Xi needs to go back to Greeley for repair
Thanks for that, will try to call Steiner tomorrowI do not know if I would touch that hex nut . . .
See post # 572 et sequitur.
Turret feel is about what I expect for a $2k scope, it's not horrible but it's also not Leupold Mark 5 level either. I'd say a step above NF NX8 and Vortex LHT and about on par with Burris XTR III but lighter in some respects - XTR III has a more distinct click I would say but T6Xi still distinct, just less so if that makes sense. For a 12 mrad per rev - spacing seems tight. I wish illumination was brighter for 3x use, while I really like the MSR2 reticle I cannot pickup illumination which would help in busy backgrounds, thankfully MSR2 thick horizontal stadia helps with centering at 3x in a pinch, not ideal but at least something. Battery is a non-standard 2450, probably get more life out of it, but would rather have it be the same 2032 that everyone else uses since I carry plenty of spares for my other scopes, now I have to purchase different ones and keep them separate and remember which is for which (I know, first world problems right).Curious to see if they can improve the turret feel
Turret feel is about what I expect for a $2k scope, it's not horrible but it's also not Leupold Mark 5 level either. I'd say a step above NF NX8 and Vortex LHT and about on par with Burris XTR III but lighter in some respects - XTR III has a more distinct click I would say but T6Xi still distinct, just less so if that makes sense. For a 12 mrad per rev - spacing seems tight. I wish illumination was brighter for 3x use, while I really like the MSR2 reticle I cannot pickup illumination which would help in busy backgrounds, thankfully MSR2 thick horizontal stadia helps with centering at 3x in a pinch, not ideal but at least something. Battery is a non-standard 2450, probably get more life out of it, but would rather have it be the same 2032 that everyone else uses since I carry plenty of spares for my other scopes, now I have to purchase different ones and keep them separate and remember which is for which (I know, first world problems right).
@Glassaholic was doing a comparison between his 3-18 T6Xi and the 4-16 atacr if i recall.I've seen guys talk about the parallax wheel but not seen a whole lot about depth of field. I'm looking at the 3-18 in particular. I've had an xtr IIIi 3.3-18 for a while now and just received an atacr 4-16x42. The atacr parallax forgiveness is awesome and it's the nicest scope I've owned so far. The xtr parallax is not bad and I've used worse. I'm just wondering if the t6xi is somewhere in between the two that I've mentioned.
Thanks for any info.
I have them both in front of me right now, was trying to find a Zeiss LRP S5 3.6-18x50 I could borrow but I may just settle for a Schmidt 3-20 US@Glassaholic was doing a comparison between his 3-18 T6Xi and the 4-16 atacr if i recall.
I have them both in front of me right now, was trying to find a Zeiss LRP S5 3.6-18x50 I could borrow but I may just settle for a Schmidt 3-20 US
Soon is relative, these reviews take quite a while to compile, I have a another review to wrap up before this one. So if you have something specific you'd like to ask that I can address soon I'd be happy to try to do that for you, ask away.Are you going to be doing a write up soon? If so, I'll hold off on the questions.
Man I'll be honest, I've hunter with non locking turrets for a long time, I can only recall on instance it moved when it wasn't supposed to. The pop up/down locks are much more easy to operate than the steiner lock. They went a whole different direction than most other manufacturers.Trying to decide between the Steiner T6xi 3-18 or the Nightforce NX8 2.5-20 for a 16in AR build and Glassaholics’s reviews have been super helpful. Probably going with the T6xi 3-18 or maybe the 2.5-15. Not a fan of tight eyeboxes and the non locking elevation turret on the NX8 does not inspire me with confidence.
I think that’s an easy decision if you’re worried about the shortcomings of a compact design just avoid the compact scope. The only real concerns in this situation is 4oz of weight. Objective same, reticles extremely similar, turrets also very similar in feel, both come with tenebraex caps, Steiner has the throw lever.Trying to decide between the Steiner T6xi 3-18 or the Nightforce NX8 2.5-20 for a 16in AR build and Glassaholics’s reviews have been super helpful. Probably going with the T6xi 3-18 or maybe the 2.5-15. Not a fan of tight eyeboxes and the non locking elevation turret on the NX8 does not inspire me with confidence.
Trying to decide between the Steiner T6xi 3-18 or the Nightforce NX8 2.5-20 for a 16in AR build and Glassaholics’s reviews have been super helpful. Probably going with the T6xi 3-18 or maybe the 2.5-15. Not a fan of tight eyeboxes and the non locking elevation turret on the NX8 does not inspire me with confidence.
Roger that, I need to get out to the range and will try to plan for that next week and put this on the list.4-16 atacr, parallax forgiveness is incredible. Xtr III 3.3-18 seems a couple hundred yards of forgiveness on parallax, depending on distance. Where does the t6xi 3-18 land here?
Low light performance isn't that good on the atacr, it gets dark quick and it seems like it tightens they eyebox(expected). The xtr isn't bad, but they both get a good amount of glare in the sunset. How does the t6xi perform there?
Thanks for your time.
Eta
Thanks for your review on the xtr III and your in depth on diopter adjustments, both have been a major help.
I was going to do some thorough testing but 1000 yard range closed this weekLooking forward to the review between the 4-16 ATACR and Steiner
Trying to decide between the Steiner T6xi 3-18 or the Nightforce NX8 2.5-20 for a 16in AR build and Glassaholics’s reviews have been super helpful. Probably going with the T6xi 3-18 or maybe the 2.5-15. Not a fan of tight eyeboxes and the non locking elevation turret on the NX8 does not inspire me with confidence.
Man I'll be honest, I've hunter with non locking turrets for a long time, I can only recall on instance it moved when it wasn't supposed to. The pop up/down locks are much more easy to operate than the steiner lock. They went a whole different direction than most other manufacturers.
Has anyone abused their t6xi a little, and checked zero retention/tracking?
I'm not talking dropping it on a rock or anything dumb like that but it'd be nice to know if they're NF reliable...
Works well, I haven’t done a v-tac specifically, but have had a few awkward positions on the clock in competitions. I’ve had no issue using it. Reticle works well with white light as its a pretty bold reticle.Can anyone advise how the 1-6 is when shooting from v-tac barricades and around cars? From unconventional positions and without perfect alignment, potentially with scope shadow still present? How is the reticle when used in conjunction with a weapon light, complete washout or still visible?
I have a p4xi 1-4 that works well but I’d like a little bit more magnification for ID. I was leaning toward a Delta Stryker 1-6 but I found a good deal on the t6xi. Main use is 0-100 for work and up to 300 for matches.
That says a lot, thanks.Its probably not as fast as an SFP design like a Razor Gen 2, but you gain other things going with a FFP. I have a P2 mounted up top and find I use the 1x more than the P2 if that says anything.
For the ranges and objectives I listed would you say the t6xi is a good option or better to just stick with SFP? The t6xi I’m looking at doesn’t cost that much more than the Delta Stryker or Credo HX which I had been eyeing to replace my 1-4.Works well, I haven’t done a v-tac specifically, but have had a few awkward positions on the clock in competitions. I’ve had no issue using it. Reticle works well with white light as its a pretty bold reticle.
Its probably not as fast as an SFP design like a Razor Gen 2, but you gain other things going with a FFP. I have a P2 mounted up top and find I use the 1x more than the P2 if that says anything.
Honestly would look at a SFP. At those ranges, I see an SFP based LPVO as a magnified red dot, or a red dot with high PID abilities. A 556 at 300y doesnt drop too much and you should be able to aim at the headbox and make solid A zone hits.For the ranges and objectives I listed would you say the t6xi is a good option or better to just stick with SFP? The t6xi I’m looking at doesn’t cost that much more than the Delta Stryker or Credo HX which I had been eyeing to replace my 1-4.
Yes, Only green.Im sure it’s been mentioned here already but is the steiners illumination only green? My 3-18 T6Xi and 3.3-18 XTR3 both showed up today and the burris is green or red but it seems the Steiner is green only which would be odd.
How does the glass compare between the T6Xi and the XTR3?Im sure it’s been mentioned here already but is the steiners illumination only green? My 3-18 T6Xi and 3.3-18 XTR3 both showed up today and the burris is green or red but it seems the Steiner is green only which would be odd.
Has anyone abused their t6xi a little, and checked zero retention/tracking?
I'm not talking dropping it on a rock or anything dumb like that but it'd be nice to know if they're NF reliable...
How does the glass compare between the T6Xi and the XTR3?
Thanks
I finally got out to the range today with the T6Xi 3-18x56 and my ATACR 4-16x42. The ATACR was a slightly better overall experience but the T6Xi not far behind and ahead in some categories like monstrous FOV compared to ATACR. I owe @zero0zero some feedback and will try to get that written out next few days.
Agreed. 6oz lighter and the scr2 reticle and it likely would’ve been the king of spr scopes.The 2.5-15 doesn’t have the weight savings to justify its existence, IMO. The 3-18 sits in a good spot.
This is how I define parallax forgiveness - being able to set your scope around 500 yards and have parallax free sight picture at both near and far. I found the Steiner T6Xi to be about as forgiving as the ATACR in these tests with both showing a slight bit of wobble at the closer targets.4-16 atacr, parallax forgiveness is incredible.
When both ATACR and T6Xi set around 500ish on parallax, 1000 yards was virtually parallax free and up to 300ish yards was within reason with slight wobble depending on eye position, anything closer was more pronounced wobble based on eye position which could affect accuracy to the point that you would want to adjust your parallax IMO.Xtr III 3.3-18 seems a couple hundred yards of forgiveness on parallax, depending on distance. Where does the t6xi 3-18 land here?
The ATACR struggles a bit with flare/halation above 10x whereas the Steiner handles it very well, picking up no noticeable flare, maybe some slight ghosting at 15x depending on eye position with some more pronounced at 18x but not bad by any means, this was done with the sun reflecting directly off the front objective while looking at distant objects. Depending on eye position I could induce whiteout charateristics with the ATACR from 12-16x whereas I could not induce the same with the T6Xi.Low light performance isn't that good on the atacr, it gets dark quick and it seems like it tightens they eyebox(expected). The xtr isn't bad, but they both get a good amount of glare in the sunset. How does the t6xi perform there?
Thanks for your time.
Eta
Thanks for your review on the xtr III and your in depth on diopter adjustments, both have been a major help.
If you want pure mechanical/optical performance I'd say the ATACR 4-16x42 has an edge and may be worth it, but there are other attributes to the T6Xi that may sway you in that direction (see post above). In the end, each person must make the decision on whether or not one scope is "worth" more than another, there is no right answer either way. I do not think you would be disappointed with either scope understanding their limitations. If you want a streamlined scope with a tried and true track record of being rock solid the ATACR may be the way to go, if you want the latest and greatest in optical design with a large objective and wide FOV then I can see choosing the T6Xi.This is the exact comparison I was most curious about. If I had the funds I'd have gotten the ATACR without thinking too hard.
Is the ATACR worth the $400-700 extra?
I'm with you OE, the 2.5-15 is a somewhat baffling decision considering it's weight. It is only 2oz lighter than the beefy 3-18x56. I kind of wish it was a 2-12x42 instead of 2.5-15x50, but it's not and doubtful Steiner will go that route anytime soon (maybe Burris will).The 2.5-15 doesn’t have the weight savings to justify its existence, IMO. The 3-18 sits in a good spot.
For my small frame AR's (like the 6 ARC) I prefer smaller/lighter scopes, but that is personal preference. I also prefer tree reticles (as backup to dialing) so that might make a difference for you as the 2.5-15 is only available with SCR reticle (no tree) while the 3-18x56 is available with SCR2 reticle (tree). There is nothing wrong with putting a larger scope on any rifle, it's all about personal preference so if you feel you would benefit from the 56mm and/or tree reticle then go for the 3-18x56, if neither of those things matter or you prefer the smaller objective then the 2.5-15x50 would be a fine choice I'm sure.I'm looking into the 2.5-15 and 3-18. I cannot decide on which one. Going on 18inch AR 6mm arc. Going to be a dmr build with offset. Will hunt with once or twice a year but just white tail. Most used range 100-800. But would like to stretch legs at 1000+ Any suggestions?