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Is the T6Xi pretty much a XTR Pro with different turrets optical performance wise?
Thanks! Looks like you're selling the T6Xi and keeping the Pro. Is it because of the turrets?Not really. The glass is a little better on the Steiner but the Pro is very good too. I looked through mine side by side.
Thanks! Looks like you're selling the T6Xi and keeping the Pro. Is it because of the turrets?
OK, thank you again!Yes but not because they are bad but to uniform my scopes. The Steiner was the odd man out. I actually liked the turrets on the Steiner in their feel and the way the numbers changed with rotation.
If you want pure mechanical/optical performance I'd say the ATACR 4-16x42 has an edge and may be worth it, but there are other attributes to the T6Xi that may sway you in that direction (see post above). In the end, each person must make the decision on whether or not one scope is "worth" more than another, there is no right answer either way. I do not think you would be disappointed with either scope understanding their limitations. If you want a streamlined scope with a tried and true track record of being rock solid the ATACR may be the way to go, if you want the latest and greatest in optical design with a large objective and wide FOV then I can see choosing the T6Xi.
Just checked this morning, no glare from illumination module that I can see. Like I said above, at setting 6 and below only the center cross is illuminated, but at level 7 and above there are little dots at all the hash mark points and numbers that light up. I am almost thinking there may be two illumination modules, one that powers low intensity and one that powers high intensity and the one that powers high intensity lights up these little dots throughout the reticle as a whole - not sure if this was intentional or not.Has anyone noticed a large glare in their scopes when at 5 to 11 in illumination settings? Particularly low left of the reticle. Two 3-18s have the same thing.
Just checked this morning, no glare from illumination module that I can see. Like I said above, at setting 6 and below only the center cross is illuminated, but at level 7 and above there are little dots at all the hash mark points and numbers that light up. I am almost thinking there may be two illumination modules, one that powers low intensity and one that powers high intensity and the one that powers high intensity lights up these little dots throughout the reticle as a whole - not sure if this was intentional or not.
As Rob01 mentions above, this happens with a lot of high powered scopes with daylight bright illumination, but I would say a lot, not all as I believe it is dependent on the type of illumination module that is used. Also depends on what is being illuminated, with my particular scope it has the MSR2 reticle that only has the center cross illuminated so this sparkly effect is more pronounced, if you have a reticle like the SCR2 where the entire reticle illuminates you will not notice it because every etched part is already illuminated. I did not intend to indicate something was "wrong" as this is a fairly common phenomenon, just pointing out what I am seeing.@Glassaholic Interesting. Might reach out to Steiner and see what they say. I do have the little dots also.
I will say this, the T6Xi 3-18x56 is one of the most forgiving mid-range scopes with regard to eyebox. The ATACR 4-16x42 was also pretty good, but throughout the mag range I always felt the T6Xi was easier to get behind, only at 18x did I feel the T6Xi 3-18x56 was starting to feel a little tight, but still better than most scopes.Glassaholic (or to whomever can compare):
when comparing the Steiner to the Nightforce on 15-16x, which is easier to get behind in terms of eyebox? What about at 18x on the Steiner?
I own a Kahles 3-18, and love it out to 15x. Between 15-18x, I struggle to get a good sight picture because the eyebox is so small.
I have astigmatism and near sightedness, -7.5 to -8 D. Hence, I am fairly sensitive to eyebox issues on LPVOs and other scopes. I find these ultrashort scopes to have tighter eye boxes.
Out of curiosity, did you ever get a comparison to the AMG? Probably not a super fair comparison but I was just wondering.For sure. It’ll be a minute just cause i don’t have a mount. Right now optics i have on hand to compare it to are a Gen III 6-36, mk5 3.6-18 and an NXS 3.5-15. AMG is back in Ms. Buddy of mine here has a tangent and some atacrs/NX8s so hopefully we can all get to the range one day.
Plan is to put this on my MWS
I haven’t yet. AMG is still at home and I’m off service. I’ll have more time off this fall. So I’ll be able to get home and compare them. I don’t expect the T6Xi to Best it.Out of curiosity, did you ever get a comparison to the AMG? Probably not a super fair comparison but I was just wondering.
Have to agree with this. I find Vortex to be waaaaay overhyped anyways though. Hopefully I will get mine out tomorrow and get some through the scope pics. The weather in Northern CO has been absolute crap lately.It’s better glass than the Gen 2 Razor by a good deal from my scopes in the comparison. I wouldn’t say toe to toe.
The only thing I don't like about the Steiners right now are the glare inside the scope from the illumination and he locking turrets mechanism they developed. Everything else is pretty daing solid especially if you can get one for $1400 in the PX, which is what a G2 goes for.
Sounds good! I will probably pull the trigger here soon on a 3-18. I have an AMG on my JP 6.5, and it’s hard finding a reason to take that scope off and try something new.I haven’t yet. AMG is still at home and I’m off service. I’ll have more time off this fall. So I’ll be able to get home and compare them. I don’t expect the T6Xi to Best it.
The only thing that would remotely make me question taking my AMG off my 7SS would be weight. I otherwise love that optic. Wish vortex would make a 4-20 AMG.Sounds good! I will probably pull the trigger here soon on a 3-18. I have an AMG on my JP 6.5, and it’s hard finding a reason to take that scope off and try something new.
If they did that would be a killer unit!The only thing that would remotely make me question taking my AMG off my 7SS would be weight. I otherwise love that optic. Wish vortex would make a 4-20 AMG.
I'm looking into the 2.5-15 and 3-18. I cannot decide on which one. Going on 18inch AR 6mm arc. Going to be a dmr build with offset. Will hunt with once or twice a year but just white tail. Most used range 100-800. But would like to stretch legs at 1000+ Any suggestions?
The 2.5-15 doesn’t have the weight savings to justify its existence, IMO. The 3-18 sits in a good spot.
At some point I’d like to test another Mark 5, my early adopter copy had some issues. Just wish they’d offer the PR2 Mil reticle in it, why no one at Leupold thinks that reticle wouldn’t be good in the 3.6-18 is baffling. Would also like Leupold decision makers to wake up on the illumination front, it’s not 2010 anymore. I think an illuminated PR2 Mil would convince me to ignore the lame 35mm tube issue.I've currently been running a pair of the Mk5's on AR's along with the US made XTR 3.3-18. Honestly the MK5 has been tits on the AR's. They don't have a tree or illumination, but are the lightest & shortest, very forgiving parallax, & cuts mirage very well.
Were you one of the lucky ones with the $999 deal at Cabelas a few years back?I might be more critical if I hadn't gotten a smoking deal on those MK5's.
Yep got 2 for 899 ea. Had the same complaints as you about the reticle & illum, but @ that price no regrets.Were you one of the lucky ones with the $999 deal at Cabelas a few years back?
FWIW the PR2 is coming for the baby mark 5. Just don’t know when. But they had Kyle lamb i think on Instagram running it.At some point I’d like to test another Mark 5, my early adopter copy had some issues. Just wish they’d offer the PR2 Mil reticle in it, why no one at Leupold thinks that reticle wouldn’t be good in the 3.6-18 is baffling. Would also like Leupold decision makers to wake up on the illumination front, it’s not 2010 anymore. I think an illuminated PR2 Mil would convince me to ignore the lame 35mm tube issue.
Don’t have a comparison to another T6, but my 3-18 is what I’d call soft.So I have a 2-15 and a 3-18. The turrets on the 2-15 are pretty good. My 3-18 turrets are quite a bit softer and quieter. Anybody else have that issue. Wondering if they just need some spinning to move some grease around or if I should send it in?
Same I’m not impressed with the turrets. Like our pst Gen II are much nicer.Don’t have a comparison to another T6, but my 3-18 is what I’d call soft.
My 2.5-15 is not bad at all but the 3-18 definitely has me considering sending it in.Same I’m not impressed with the turrets. Like our pst Gen II are much nicer.
I already have razors for days, otherwise I’d really contemplate a Steiner 5-30 for my rimfire.Anyone have thoughts/experience on using the 5-30 for rimfire? I’m setting up a Bergara B14R, it will primarily be used to shoot PRS22-style from 25-300 yards and punch paper from a bench. Not planning on formal competitions, just plinking around the farm and range with my kiddo.
Anyone have thoughts/experience on using the 5-30 for rimfire? I’m setting up a Bergara B14R, it will primarily be used to shoot PRS22-style from 25-300 yards and punch paper from a bench. Not planning on formal competitions, just plinking around the farm and range with my kiddo.
Have you taken a look at the new tract 4-25?Anyone have thoughts/experience on using the 5-30 for rimfire? I’m setting up a Bergara B14R, it will primarily be used to shoot PRS22-style from 25-300 yards and punch paper from a bench. Not planning on formal competitions, just plinking around the farm and range with my kiddo.
I hadn’t, nothing against Tract. I primarily was otherwise considering the Athlon Cronus BTR 4.5-29 and Ares ETR 5-30. I have access to solid deals on those and the Steiner through EV which makes them exceptionally attractive for me. I would consider the PA Glx 4.5-27 just because I have a soft spot for PA but I’m not willing to buy another non-Plx PA scope without looking through it or at least a lot of glowing reviews from respected folks. I’m more after value than a price range for this side-project .22 but want to keep the glass quality at least around the LOW/Japanese level.Have you taken a look at the new tract 4-25?
Thanks Rob! I think I trust your envelope math more than mine. I was thinking 20 MOA base, burris XTR rings with 5 additional MOA should have me safe to 300+ with .22LR.Should work fine. It has 26 mils of elevation so on a 20 moa base you will have about 18 mils and if you went on a 40 moa base you would be able to get to 400 yards with about 23 mils.
I hadn’t, nothing against Tract. I primarily was otherwise considering the Athlon Cronus BTR 4.5-29 and Ares ETR 5-30. I have access to solid deals on those and the Steiner through EV which makes them exceptionally attractive for me. I would consider the PA Glx 4.5-27 just because I have a soft spot for PA but I’m not willing to buy another non-Plx PA scope without looking through it or at least a lot of glowing reviews from respected folks. I’m more after value than a price range for this side-project .22 but want to keep the glass quality at least around the LOW/Japanese level.
Thanks Rob! I think I trust your envelope math more than mine. I was thinking 20 MOA base, burris XTR rings with 5 additional MOA should have me safe to 300+ with .22LR.
Strange - I do not own the 3-18, but my 5-30 dialed to the max does not have poor image quality. I guess I am surprised to hear this about the 3-18.@CajunExpat1
I put the 3-18 T6xi on my rimfire. I like the scope but there’s better options for rimfire if you are going to stretch the distance. My backyard target at 365 yards takes all my available elevation to reach, and the image when dialed to max is really poor. If I dial partway and hold it’s the same result. Not sure if the 5-30 would be better or worse in this regard.
I would very, very rarely (if ever) shoot past 300 with the rimfire I intend to put this on. I would most like to know how the image quality of the 5-30 is from 50-200 yards at higher magnifications and if the 5-30 has the resolution to pick up .22 holes in paper at 100.Strange - I do not own the 3-18, but my 5-30 dialed to the max does not have poor image quality. I guess I am surprised to hear this about the 3-18.
Thanks! That is very helpful information and just what I needed to hear.I have shot at 50 yards, when I first built my rifle, and then 100 a few times to zero the rifle. 50-200 yards should be ridiculously easy to see .22 holes with my scope (5-30). I find the image very clear, and the optical quality very good. It has good glass. have not shot .22 with it, but It is easy to spot .243 holes (6mm GT).
I don't know anything about what scopes to use for .22 competition, as I have not yet competed in .22 events. I am just answering the issues you raised in your last post.
I am interested in .22 events, though, as I have a 6 year old boy who is going to want to compete.