Still having problems with stevens 200

#51
Re: Still having problems with stevens 200

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOP PREDATOR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OMG, IT'S THE FREAKIN SCOPE!

i've never heard of a savage - any savage - shooting that badly.

that is what the stevens 200 is - a 10 action, with a savage barrel, it just doesn't have and accutrigger. that is the only difference.

it's the scope

it's the scope

it's the scope

first day out of the box, no adjustments to trigger or anything other than my scope:
308_TARGET.jpg


600 rounds later, and still witha cheap assed barska swat on it:
ENDRESULTS001.jpg


it's the scope

it's the scope

it's the scope

even buy a 69.00 centerpoint at walmart to confirm it if you don't have the funds, then put the 69.00 one on a .22 that you have when you replace the crapped out scope that's on the rifle now.

it's the scope

it's the scope

it's the scope

did i happen to mention....it's the scope. </div></div>

So.......you think it could be the scope?
 
#52
Re: Still having problems with stevens 200

cpt. obvious,

I think you need someone to take a look at that rifle, and someone that can run a gun to see whats up.

Next, I think you need to learn how to properly shoot a bolt action rifle.

Do not take this as a slap, but you might have some bad habits to brake.

Unless you get proper training, and experienced eye to see whats up, you will spin your wheels for a long time.

John
 
#54
Re: Still having problems with stevens 200

Ok,first I must thank-you for posting your problem here on the Hide.Been lurking here for many moons and pretty much kept my ears open,mouth shut,and have learned and enjoyed this joint very much.Have used search here to answer most of my personal questions and others in need have generally been assisted by members faster then this old grump could type had I been a member.Well,I'm here now and gotta throw-in on this one.As Greg pointed out,if all fastners are PROPERLY tight,I'd move to the sharp end and check crown.Next I'd look at a couple fired cases,measure,and check against both a loaded factory round and an unfired handload if thats what you're sling'n.If no grimlin's show on the brass it's probably the glass which brings us to this quote "AO WAS SET AT 250"....AGAIN..."AO SET AT 250" shooting at 100.Bud,I'll bet you dollars to dog rockets that's your problem plain and simple.Even with an "acceptable" cheekweld you are half out of the game.Also,if you're moving from a .17 to a full 30 and most likely anticipating recoil you are done.Move you head a couple thousands on the stock with that AO setting and your group will look like un buffered buck.Two more things then I'm out-next time off the bench,set up your shot and then,without moving ANYTHING but your eyes,look over the scope and then return to sight picture and see if you're still on.If not,reset-relax-reaquire and look again.If you're on light it off.The second last thing is directed to the Savage experence challenged posers....I mean posters- I don't know what else to say except you're clueless if you actually believe a Savage rifle to be a poor choice for an out of the box shooter.I'm done-you'll get it shooting Capt. Old Grumpy Bark
 
#55
Re: Still having problems with stevens 200

I have had a lot of problems at the range and helped a lot of other people at the range.
I have been reading gun forums every day for 15 years.
I see there are different levels of accuracy and the appropriate rituals to get to the next level.
A big problem with internet help is competition accuracy rituals being tried on deer hunting accuracy level problems.
Changing a crown, truing an action, glass bedding, or turning necks will have no measurable effect on a 3 or 4 inch grouping rifle.
You can't see a 0.1" improvement on 3" ~ 4" groups.
The signal is lost in the noise.
Wind, Copper fouling, hot barrel warp, bullet quality, loose scope mounts, a bad scope, inconsistent shooting technique, or heavy bullets in a light gun could have a measurable effect.
~50% of the time, it comes down to loose scope mount screws.
No one wants to check them, because of a loss of zero when the scope and rings are removed from the mounts to access the screws.
 
#56
Re: Still having problems with stevens 200

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cpt. obvious</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOP PREDATOR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OMG, IT'S THE FREAKIN SCOPE!

i've never heard of a savage - any savage - shooting that badly.

that is what the stevens 200 is - a 10 action, with a savage barrel, it just doesn't have and accutrigger. that is the only difference.

it's the scope

it's the scope

it's the scope

first day out of the box, no adjustments to trigger or anything other than my scope:
308_TARGET.jpg


600 rounds later, and still witha cheap assed barska swat on it:
ENDRESULTS001.jpg


it's the scope

it's the scope

it's the scope

even buy a 69.00 centerpoint at walmart to confirm it if you don't have the funds, then put the 69.00 one on a .22 that you have when you replace the crapped out scope that's on the rifle now.

it's the scope

it's the scope

it's the scope

did i happen to mention....it's the scope. </div></div>

So.......you think it could be the scope?</div></div>

it's obvious, capt.
 
#58
Re: Still having problems with stevens 200

I'm not going to get into the middle of Savage good/Savage bad discussion. I would have zero qualms about using a Stevens as a donor action; and as a hunter, I think they're highly adequate right NIB. I have suggested so in the past, on both counts. If folks have firsthand experience with problems, I'd like to read about specifics, so I can base my judgement on facts. Opinions count, but I like facts, too.

And by the way, I'm still not clear from this thread about just what problem is occurring.

Greg
 
#59
Re: Still having problems with stevens 200

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not going to get into the middle of Savage good/Savage bad discussion. I would have zero qualms about using a Stevens as a donor action; and as a hunter, I think they're highly adequate right NIB. I have suggested so in the past, on both counts. If folks have firsthand experience with problems, I'd like to read about specifics, so I can base my judgement on facts. Opinions count, but I like facts, too.

And by the way, I'm still not clear from this thread about just what problem is occurring.

Greg </div></div>

Bad groups.

When I bought the rifle it was shooting 4 inch groups on average.

I replaced the trigger, bases, rings, and stock and still have the same problem.

So now its up to the scope or the barrel.
 
#60
Re: Still having problems with stevens 200

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cpt. obvious</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Bad groups.

When I bought the rifle it was shooting 4 inch groups on average.



</div></div>

So - When you bought the gun it was shooting 4 inch groups. Was the gun new? or did someone sell this on because it was a dog? Did it have the scope on it when you bought it? Have you ever tried it with another scope? Has anyone else had a try with it?
 
#62
Re: Still having problems with stevens 200

Take heart - This will be sorted and you will be pleased with the results - Get another scope on there and give it another go.

Here is a 200yd group shot with my Savage just to show you they do shoot.
 
#63
Re: Still having problems with stevens 200

Thanks man, I know it wants to shoot!


BTW how long do you think I should wait in between shots?

The barrel is a sporter, but I may have not been waiting long enough. (20-30 seconds)
 
#64
Re: Still having problems with stevens 200

Three shot shudn't be a problem get them off as fast as you like until you are really trying to tighten up the groups. Five + shot groups may become a little wooly if you get them off too quick - I wouldn't worry too much until you have cracked the big problem. When they are all going into about 1.5 inches or so then you need to work harder at the details. Every 1/4 inch less after that gets increasingly difficult. You read about stacks of riles/shooters that will shoot sub .5 inch groups all day but you actually see very few on the range.
 
#65
Re: Still having problems with stevens 200

cpt ur best bet would be to take the NC guys who posted above up on thier offer, and meet them for some shootin. they can shoot urs, u can shoot theres, have a blast, and chances are u will discover immediately where ur problem is
 
#66
Re: Still having problems with stevens 200

Capt Obvious, where you at buddy? If you can get the gun back from your smith before he does any work that probably wont fix your problem, id be happy to meet you somewhere and slap a NF F1 on top of it and just rule out if it is the scope or the gun. Let me know if you would like to.
 
#67
Re: Still having problems with stevens 200

My stock, except for a rifle basix trigger, Stevens 200 in .223 shoots great and didn't disappoint at the range yesterday. It shot a 3/8" 3 shot group and a 13/16", it was a 1/2" until the last shot wandered, 5 shot at 100 yds. This was with factory loaded Hornady 55 gr. V-Max. It will even shoot cheap American Eagle 62 gr. at 1 1/4".

I only waited about 20 seconds between shots with the 3 shot group. The five shot group was fired in probably 1 min.

I use a Bushnell 3200 3-9x40.

Have you messed with the stock trigger? Lightened it up, replaced it. I don't know how anybody could shoot the stock trigger accurately. I swear mine had to be around 8-9 pounds stock. Now it's a nice 2.5 pounds.

FWIW

Good luck!
 
#69
Re: Still having problems with stevens 200

Just worth a look to see if the front scope mount screw is not a little long and bottoming out onto the barrel threads. The screw will feel tight but not be holding the mount firmly - Just a thought.
 
#70
Re: Still having problems with stevens 200

where are you at on this captain? if i had an issues with the rifle that you are having, i would send it to jim at northland or SSS or savage gunsmithing. just one of the guys that specializes in savage. i would think they would be able to get you on the right track. my local smiths said they had only worked on one stevens when i called about rebarreling my savage. first they had to check and see if they had the tools. i just did it myself. but jim could fix you up if you cant get it going. cant say anything about the wait times. pm if you need links
 
#73
Re: Still having problems with stevens 200

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cpt. obvious</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im still waiting on my gunsmith. He is trying to diagnose the issue. </div></div>
 
#75
Re: Still having problems with stevens 200

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: learjet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">cpt ur best bet would be to take the NC guys who posted above up on thier offer, and meet them for some shootin. they can shoot urs, u can shoot theres, have a blast, and chances are u will discover immediately where ur problem is </div></div>

This
 
#77
Re: Still having problems with stevens 200

The gunsmith gave me my rifle back today. He recrowned and boresighted the scope. And he shot a 2 inch group at 75 yds off his knees. I have no clue why he didnt shoot supported. I will shoot it tomorrow, I will also bring a friend to shoot aswell.
 
#78
Re: Still having problems with stevens 200

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lt. Arclight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Uh, yes there can. PS: I think you are the only member on this site that has even mentioned a Stevens 200 let alone trying to turn one into a PRECISION rifle. All I can say is good luck. PS: not to be a dick-but that scope leaves alot to be desired. A scope that is unable to hold a zero is enough to cause your problems. </div></div>

Gotta jump on this one... I have two Stevens actions (308 LW and 260 Shilen barrel) and four Savage actions (223, 6.5x47 and 6br -- all Shilen -- one bone stock 22-250 with original factory barrel). All <span style="text-decoration: line-through">five</span> six shoot great -- usually 10 shots in about an inch at 200 yards.

Structurally and mechanically, the Stevens actions are no different than regular Savage actions. Only difference is finish and Accutrigger vs regular trigger.

However, replacing the Stevens regular trigger with a used three screw trigger from a pre-Accutrigger Savage (usually about $20) I get the triggers down to about 1.5 lbs.
 
#79
Re: Still having problems with stevens 200

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnsopa</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lt. Arclight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Uh, yes there can. PS: I think you are the only member on this site that has even mentioned a Stevens 200 let alone trying to turn one into a PRECISION rifle. All I can say is good luck. PS: not to be a dick-but that scope leaves alot to be desired. A scope that is unable to hold a zero is enough to cause your problems. </div></div>

Gotta jump on this one... I have two Stevens actions (308 LW and 260 Shilen barrel) and four Savage actions (223, 6.5x47 and 6br -- all Shilen -- one bone stock 22-250 with original factory barrel). All five shoot great -- usually 10 shots in about an inch at 200 yards.

Structurally and mechanically, the Stevens actions are no different than regular Savage actions. Only difference is finish and Accutrigger vs regular trigger.

However, replacing the Stevens regular trigger with a used three screw trigger from a pre-Accutrigger Savage (usually about $20) I get the triggers down to about 1.5 lbs. </div></div>

Yeah mine is set at 1.5 lbs now. I increased it alittle because I thought 1 lb was alittle unsafe.

I shot it today and it hasnt changed. Im just going to buy a ss 16x42.
 
#80
Re: Still having problems with stevens 200

if the scope dont correct the issues, try a smith that specializes in working on a savage/stevens. there may be something that a smith not familiar with the brand would not be aware of. nothing against your smith, but like you said shooting a 2" group off his knees isnt really fixing the issue that you brought it to him for, or testing the work he did in a proper fashion. he may be a hunting rifle builder and that 2" is as good as it gets in his shop. but if it didnt fix your issues, is he gonna not charge for the work done since it hasnt really corrected the problem? i heard it here before about gunsmiths that arent really familiar with building a "precision" platform and dont see the need for that level of accuracy.

in this town there is a great little shop that has powder and primers in stock and will work on stuff for you. but when i called they had to ask around the shop to see if they could do a savage barrel swap and if they had the tools... i bought my own and did it myself. not that i dont trust them, but i didnt want to wait 6 weeks. i wish you luck, but see a specialist and be done with the frustration
 
#81
Re: Still having problems with stevens 200

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnsopa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Gotta jump on this one... I have <span style="color: #FF0000">two</span> Stevens actions (308 LW and 260 Shilen barrel) and <span style="color: #FF0000">four</span> Savage actions (223, 6.5x47 and 6br -- all Shilen -- one bone stock 22-250 with original factory barrel). All <span style="color: #FF0000">five</span> shoot great -- usually 10 shots in about an inch at 200 yards.</div></div>

O rly?

wink.gif
 
#82
Re: Still having problems with stevens 200

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AXEMAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> nothing against your smith, but like you said shooting a 2" group off his knees isnt really fixing the issue that you brought it to him for, or testing the work he did in a proper fashion. </div></div>\


I know. What the hell does that prove? I just bought a ss 16x42. I really hope it fixes the problem.

I have about double what I wanted in this project.
 
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