Student Owns His "Teacher"
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So lazy she won't/can't even defend herself. Good for that kid, and I hope someone throughs the book at her. Or at least throughs A book at her for her to read about how to be an effective teacher.
Sorry, I'll be the dissenter here. Without commenting on the fact that the teacher chooses to use pre-programmed material (and we don't know how heavily she relies on it, although for some students packets are IT) for classwork, she was attempting to disengage from drama with the student (and thus maintain overall classroom control) in what looked to be a non-upper track classroom. If you listen to the student, it's clear that they seek entertainment rather than enrichment. Going further, this is out of the context of the continuum: we know nothing of prior issues with the student, nor what may have been happening in the classroom prior to the incident. Understand that the classroom is an environment full of sometimes clashing and sometimes cooperating egos and attitudes that must be cat-herded so that learning can continue. If anything, it's testament to the fact that video cameras and cellular telephones should be kept out of classrooms.
Anymore, what with standardized testing being the norm, teachers aren't supposed to teach anymore. Their only purpose to to prep their kids to pass a test so that their school maintains funding levels.
That kid in the video sees the bigger picture and will be punished for it.
That kid in the video sees the bigger picture and will be punished for it.
Bullshit. The kid nailed it when he said "You've got to thouch their hearts." When I went back to college at 40 I was having REAL trouble getting into it. Fortunately I had two instructors who "Touched my heart" and showed me the JOY of learning, and I went on, graduated, doing quite well.
Sad, but true.
I'd like to know what state this occurred in. In some states public school teachers "achieve" tenure after 2 years, after that it is almost impossible to fire a poor performing teacher, as long as they show up for work, they're there for life. Interestingly, in some states MD, is a good example, in the last few years, not only have zero teachers been fired (those that have achieve the 2 year date), but zero teachers have been fired that have not achieved the 2 year date! It a testament on how good a job the school districts do in their hiring process, they never make a mistake! When you compare these figures with private schoosl, somewhere around 10% of all teachers are fired in a given year. The private schools say if you don't do a good job, you'll be looking for work. But the public schools say, they private schools are just doing a poor job in hiring, if they [private school] hired in the same manner as the public school, they wouldn't ever need to fire anyone!
For once we agree, Paw. But I went to one of the top private schools in the country, and frankly, I wouldn't send my kid there or to any of them. There's still a lot of bullshit and brainwashing. HOMESCHOOL.
I was home schooled for a couple years because I was behind in reading and math. My mother made sure I knew how to read better than anyone else in school and did her best with the math and latter hired an awesome math tutor that really helped it all make sense to me. I am so grateful for the time my mother took to educate me and the sacrifices she made make sure I would be able to succeed. I was lucky to attend high-school in a small conservative town with several passionate teachers that really cared about what they did and made it interesting to learn but that doesn't mean they made it easy on us. A good teacher makes all the difference, that kid is right, and if he didnt look like such a punk maybe some would take him more seriously. Its obvious that the system has him fed up, for most kids in the "non-upper track schools" the system has done nothing but fuck them over since day one. I just hope that kid stays in school and chooses to be successful.
I agree with the student. Here at the university, they are using computer programs for most of the math classes and chemistry classes. They teach nothing but how to cheat they system to get perfect scores, or get check/+ scores for partially correct problems(only in the math classes). The Chemistry computer homework is a Perfect score only so one MUST get a perfect score in a multiple check box problem to pass that problem, move to the next three, and get two out of the three totally correct. Again, while I toil away trying to get perfect scores, I hear so many students talking about several websites to input the problem and get the answer, ie, cheating. I would rather take an F than cheat academically
As a math teacher myself, I am embarrassed by this video. That teacher (used loosely) is what gives educators a bad name. First she appears to be a pass and sit person. Pass it out and sit while they work. Secondly, she appears afraid of her students. Both reasons should be grounds for termination. The kid may very well have a valid point, but there are way better ways to handle it than that.
it seems this is a classic case of the system that has gone wrong...here you have a student, who on the surface seems interested in learning, and the system that is driven to the lowest common denominator to pass them along to the next grade and out of the system, aka, someone elses problem. Whenever I meet and get to talk to a college professor, especially one that has been at the university for quite some time, I always ask them to compare and contrast the newer generation students with ones of 10-20 years ago. First you always get a funny contorted face and then they will start to discuss how the students today are not being prepared for university work which in turn makes the college professors either lower the standards or do lots of remedial work that the High School were supposed to teach.
This is when logical people say, we have a problem with the system and need come up with a fix as we are hurting our next generation immensely. And, then the teachers union gets involved and the shouting matches begin and we start the slow southward death spiral to low standards - lowest common denominator rules the day.
The problem with that is that the whole system is skewed because of the huge amount of cheaters. Thus, the test makers think the students are capable of more than they really are and ramp up the hardness of the test even more. This in-turn forces more and more students to cheat in order to pass an otherwise impossible test, which in turn makes the test makers make an even harder test and so on. It's cyclic. Meanwhile the true intelligence/knowledge of the students taking the test is far lower than what is being shown on the test results/hardness. Anymore, tests results only show who is the better cheater and not who actually put in the work to figure shit out.
The sitituation is messed up, but I am sorry that kid was out of line. Yes the teachers are given what they need to teach and how to teach it, but I would suspect that the parents would teach their kids a little respect. If you have a problem you don't disrupt the class and go off on a rant. You talk to those who can do things about it. I am sorry but this shows very little respect to the teacher, that she should be given reguardless, and the lack of maturity on the students part.
There are much better ways to handle this, rather than go off and distrub the class. While yes I do agree with his rant, he went about it the wrong way.
I couldn't agree with the methods that he used, but the point I can agree with.
There are much better ways to handle this, rather than go off and distrub the class. While yes I do agree with his rant, he went about it the wrong way.
I couldn't agree with the methods that he used, but the point I can agree with.
Teacher has no control of the classroom and its obvious she is lazy.Packets. Print and hand them out. Sit on your ass. I'm glad the the teachers union protects turds like this. And the the kid needs a haircut. He's a little smart ass.
My guess is that hair farming smart ass is probably a lot smarter than many here who have only graduated high school and nothing further. I have seen both of my kids do the same thing to a teacher during parent teacher meetings where the teacher's style was in question. The youngest said she was trying to put 'God' into the daily lessons and he was tired of being what he said was 'preached at'. When she totally went into"Oh please dear Jesus" mode, the kid went off,"See! This si what she does every day! Whenever I ask about something that can be proven by science and demand to know what the scientific aspect is, because we are studying SCIENCE, she starts talking about jesus! Jesus has absolutely nothing to do with science, or biology!" When I asked politely and quietly after having the boy sit, she again went onto the sweet jesus mode and woul dnot make a stand on her teaching. We then went to set up a meeting with teh Principal, and No3 son is now in nothing but the highest AP type classes and at this point in time HAS BEEN ACCEPTED into the STEM program to follow in his older brother's path of 'All A's, All A&P, Even some College classes".
No2 son has done the same thing, but a lot less due to the nature of his ability to completely dominate an argument by recognizing propaganda and assigning it as such while he quietly presents facts. His perfect record of A's in A&P, and college classes(history and English), has set the standard for the STEM academy. His style of standing up to lower brain powered bullies, destroying bad premise based arguments, and winning tennis matches has given him some serious ground to jump into university from.
Either one would destroy that ignorant ass of a teacher, and either one is smarter than many here who are members, to include me at times
No2 son has done the same thing, but a lot less due to the nature of his ability to completely dominate an argument by recognizing propaganda and assigning it as such while he quietly presents facts. His perfect record of A's in A&P, and college classes(history and English), has set the standard for the STEM academy. His style of standing up to lower brain powered bullies, destroying bad premise based arguments, and winning tennis matches has given him some serious ground to jump into university from.
Either one would destroy that ignorant ass of a teacher, and either one is smarter than many here who are members, to include me at times
Not really enough information to make a solid assessment of the situation. The kid has passion, yet insubordination is no way to fight for his cause. Bringing in a parent and speaking with the principle/ dean might be better served (looks like high school).
Not saying all children should be molded into sheeple, just the constant erosion of social decorum is frustrating.
There are some bright kids out there, but some mistake access to knowledge (internet) with actual knowledge (reading and comprehension). To me the teacher sounds like she deals with this type of outbursts quite often, and is tired.
Not saying all children should be molded into sheeple, just the constant erosion of social decorum is frustrating.
There are some bright kids out there, but some mistake access to knowledge (internet) with actual knowledge (reading and comprehension). To me the teacher sounds like she deals with this type of outbursts quite often, and is tired.
Respect is earned (or should be at least) and not blindly given. It would seem that this teacher hasn't earned it.
Like you said, we're making broad strokes based on a few seconds but if what you say is true (probably is) then maybe her teaching/personality is to blame for frequent outbursts.
Half of folks here are the submissive, "lets not disturb anyone" and the other half are like me... Stand up for yourself, speak your mind, step out of your comfort zone, carve a new path... etc. This kid had dropped out of school prior, so he wanted to take his second attempt serious. Most teachers are paid based on tenure, not on the results of their effectiveness in the classroom. "Nobody wants a boss, Everybody wants a Coach"
The teacher allegedly told one of the kids to stop "bitching", and that's when he spoke his mind I suspect.
The teacher allegedly told one of the kids to stop "bitching", and that's when he spoke his mind I suspect.
I know that it's easy to roll with the conventional wisdom on the 'Net, and teaching is one of those professions, like another practiced by many here, of which everyone has an opinion, having been taught at one point or another. People are trying to judge the teacher based on a 1:27 video clip of unfortunate interaction with the student after he was ejected from the class. Moreover, they're making the kid out to be a hero. What happened before this point is strictly hearsay. As the above poster noted, the teacher seems like she might be tired of dealing with an argumentative student and she definitely seems to be avoiding escalation, which is good classroom management. Buying into a debate with a loud, disrespectful student perched on the doorsill while the rest of the class is attempting to take a test is entirely counterproductive. I've heard that this is an 18 year old who was taking classes in a regular diploma program alongside more typical sophomore students, having quit in his freshman year, and then returned. In a follow-up interview on a radio station with the student, he used the expression "engage with" in describing what he thinks proper teaching practice, something which almost sounds coached, to me. I can't help but think that he would really have been better served in a GED program.
To those people who state that "pass 'em out and collect 'em at the door" is a heartless endeavor, I agree with you, but make the observation that in some schools, and in some classrooms, such an arrangement is the only way that some students can be brought to task, let alone allow the teacher to get through their day without hitting the bottle at the end of it. When you're trying to teach a language to 16 year old high school freshmen who will be lucky to be 20 year old high school seniors, and elementary school and junior high haven't managed to give them an inkling of what the words "noun" and "verb" mean, it can be pretty tough. Try a class of 33 students where at least five of them are either returning from or have been subject to prior adjudication into lock-down facilities for criminal transgressions (I had one junior drug dealer try to bribe me with $100 to mark him present, pass him, and forget his face), and three-quarters of them lack adequate adult supervision at home. If twenty or twenty-five such kids in such a classroom are only there for entertainment, discipline become a pressing chore, and more preferable methods of instruction (discourse, followed by checks for understanding, followed by assisted practice, homework, and then different levels of evaluation) become difficult, sometimes to the point of impossibility. I've used alternative teaching methods that tried to engage both bored learners and desk mushrooms, but class can't always be "bangin," and students have to take some responsibility for opening up to the material and being able to repeat it and then synthesize it into their knowledge base.
If the student in the video really wants an education in the manner in which he wants it, given the viral nature of the video, I'm sure that accommodations to his preferred modalities (what we call methods of instruction) will be made. I wish him luck, but I would also hope that the next time he takes exception with the conduct of a class that he remove himself and report to the office to speak with an administrator in a calm and rational fashion.
"Half of folks here are the submissive" quote
There is a difference between submit and surrender. Not everything need to be a free for all. I do agree that if he teacher, instructor, facilitator is a good mentor, this type of behavior would not be the norm.
I went to Junior High on the wrong side of the tracks. Outbursts were normal, everyone "spoke their mind", hit teachers it was a frickin jungle. One teacher had a nervous breakdown in class, got on her knees in front of everyone and kept saying " Lord take me now". Sounds funny now, but was quite nerve racking as a kid. My parents decided to enroll me in high school way on the other side of town and things were much better. If I remember all the craziness started right after corporal punishment was banned.
There is a difference between submit and surrender. Not everything need to be a free for all. I do agree that if he teacher, instructor, facilitator is a good mentor, this type of behavior would not be the norm.
I went to Junior High on the wrong side of the tracks. Outbursts were normal, everyone "spoke their mind", hit teachers it was a frickin jungle. One teacher had a nervous breakdown in class, got on her knees in front of everyone and kept saying " Lord take me now". Sounds funny now, but was quite nerve racking as a kid. My parents decided to enroll me in high school way on the other side of town and things were much better. If I remember all the craziness started right after corporal punishment was banned.
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Most people are not submissive, we just know that there is a correct way and a wrong way of doing things.
This kid took it to the extreme right away, instead of trying to work something out. The instance pointed out about the conference would have been a better choice. And now what does this show the other kids...... that this type of behavior is ok? If you don't like something stand up and rant and rave till you get what you want? There are proper ways of getting your point across, and this really isn't one of them...... ( at least right away )
Teachers deserve respect. I don't care who they are or where they work, they all deserve the respect of their students. To many of them have to deal with snot nose little punks, and really can't do anything about them. Because you talk to their parents and they just chuckle and do nothing about it. Have seen it first hand for many years with my wife being a teacher, and other family members as well. Wife has came home with black eyes, busted lip, bloody noses, all because little "timmy" didn't want to sit and read. So he decided to pop my wife, then when talking to the family the parents look shocked to hear there little angel did this. Because I mean they couldn't have done this, I mean we put him in time out, or in his room when he is bad.......... That to me is why teachers deserve respect, that and my dad would have whooped my ass if I did something like this to a teacher.
This kid took it to the extreme right away, instead of trying to work something out. The instance pointed out about the conference would have been a better choice. And now what does this show the other kids...... that this type of behavior is ok? If you don't like something stand up and rant and rave till you get what you want? There are proper ways of getting your point across, and this really isn't one of them...... ( at least right away )
Teachers deserve respect. I don't care who they are or where they work, they all deserve the respect of their students. To many of them have to deal with snot nose little punks, and really can't do anything about them. Because you talk to their parents and they just chuckle and do nothing about it. Have seen it first hand for many years with my wife being a teacher, and other family members as well. Wife has came home with black eyes, busted lip, bloody noses, all because little "timmy" didn't want to sit and read. So he decided to pop my wife, then when talking to the family the parents look shocked to hear there little angel did this. Because I mean they couldn't have done this, I mean we put him in time out, or in his room when he is bad.......... That to me is why teachers deserve respect, that and my dad would have whooped my ass if I did something like this to a teacher.
While I agree with the sentiments stated by the student, I think he is a punk who needs his ass kicked. This is gross disrespect, whether deserved or not.
That's one sharp young man. Dropped out, probably because of lack of stimulation in the class, saw his error, and checked back in. I have nothing but praise for him...we need more stucents who WANT TO LEARN and not just get through. He will do well in this world, if the powers that want just to control don't crush him. I bet he will be a fine teacher some day.
I find this comedic at best. Here you have a kid who has a legitmate gripe about his education or lack thereof. He stands up for himself and expresses his opinion on a VERY important subject and he's called a punk or insubordinate. On the other hand you have a 12 year old faggot, with a film camera who's sole intent was to create a confrontation on camera with a cop who had the audacity to park his bike on the sidewalk in order to get something to drink. Yet that little homo is hailed as a hero by some of you. Talk about having your priorities all mixed up.
Personally I think the kid who spoke out against the teacher did nothing wrong and I applaud him for his actions. I hope that it sparks a fire under her ass to do what she is paid for and to stimulate these kids into wanting to learn. They are the future of this country.
DISCLAIMER: My post wasn't directed at you Sniper Uncle or at anyone in particular. I'm speaking in general.
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Damn, Slap, do you hear yourself? He's a pre-teen twerp with a video camera, not a damned skell.
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