Stupid Fudd range rules?

[Papajohn]

Back in the 2000's I belonged to a range in Illinois that didn't allow anyone to wear a holstered firearm when you went downrange to check/change targets. That included PD, Security, and civilians. I was threatened with being barred from the range for wearing the gun I carried on duty when I went downrange, I was supposed to leave it behind (where everyone else had access to it) because I might pose a hazard to the um....backstop? The dirt?
I got a letter threatening me with expulsion, and I sent it back with a notation saying, "See your asses in court. Three states say I'm allowed to carry loaded firearms AT ALL TIMES, but you peckerheads say that's not good enough? Just who the fuck do you think you are?"

An apology letter was received the day I formally vacated my membership, and a refund was issued for my membership costs. It still sticks in my craw how a bunch of self-appointed safety nazis could think they were doing anything safety-related.

 

[wh20crazy]

Something has happened to a formally good guy on the board. He recently decided that a gun with an open bolt and live rounds in the magazine constitute a loaded gun. Apparently, enough other boarding went along with him. Now you can only have a loaded gun on the bench. He also recently got tracers outlawed and FA only allowed if you are approved by the boardies.

Some of us wonder if he had a ND, or something. Main problem is he's somehow intimidated the other boardies and they won't oppose him.

 

[308pirate]

I went to a range near Denver once that required you to go down range during the cease fire with everyone else and only look at your target. If your friend was shooting next to you, you weren't allowed to discuss targets downrange. They also kept ALL brass that hit the ground. Cease fires were every 15 minutes.

The county range here requires you to sit through a safety class before shooting, even as a member, all brass that falls in front of the line is theirs.

I visited a range in Bowling Green, Kentucky that also keeps the spent brass, doesn't allow reloads, and has a range officer watching at all times.

Fuck those places

 

[308pirate]

I always load up ccw and go home? Isn’t it safest done on the range?

The problem isn't loading and holstering your pistol before you leave. The problem is doing so away from the firing line while pointing it at other people.

@mcameron is right. Many of these rules didn't exist until some dumbshit did dumbshit things.

 

[308pirate]

Something has happened to a formally good guy on the board. He recently decided that a gun with an open bolt and live rounds in the magazine constitute a loaded gun.

That's a very common definition of a loaded firearm, including in most shooting sports.

 

[Jefe's Dope]

That's a very common definition of a loaded firearm, including in most shooting sports.

This is standard procedure every match I shoot when the range goes cold.

 

[308pirate]

The dumbest rule I've ever seen in Arizona Made absolutely no sense to me but I didn't cause a fuss. So the entrance to the property, is from a highway. I pull off the highway and drive maybe a hundred yards on Blacktop back to the range parking lot which is paved. I unload my Pelican case and proceed to the window to check in with the range boss at the house. He asked me, what's wrong with you. I say, did I do something wrong. He says yes you did. I said please let me know, I apologize. He says As soon as you turn off the road, you have to put your safety glasses on. You have to always wear your safety glasses when you're at this range. I said gee that's interesting, you know some people have to wear eyeglasses to drive and here they're supposed to take their eyeglasses off and put their safety goggles on, and he says yes. He then goes on to a rant about how he watches every car with his binoculars as they pull onto the property and people must put their safety glasses on at that time as they are on property or they're in violation of the rules. Dick.

I'd tell him to choke on my cock

 

[308pirate]

Went to a private range here that wanted to file a your signature on range rules with a copy of your driver's license, license plate, height, weight, eye color, address, email address, phone number to use the range.

When I asked why they wanted all of that information the guy working the counter said "the County Sheriff wants to know who is using the range". After that I packed my stuff and left.

Where and what's the name of the range?

 

[308pirate]

Must only shoot from the bench
No rapid fire
No shooting prone, sitting, or standing

fuck that place

 

[GenericBadGuy]

Where and what's the name of the range?

Called Del-Tone Firing Range, it's in central Minnesota.

 

[hlee]

Something has happened to a formally good guy on the board. He recently decided that a gun with an open bolt and live rounds in the magazine constitute a loaded gun.

Exiting a stage with a mag in the gun is a verbal warning, followed by a DQ at every PRS match I have ever attended. I've never been to a range that did not consider a gun with a loaded magazine as unloaded.

 

[308pirate]

Called Del-Tone Firing Range, it's in central Minnesota.

message from Luth family | Del Tone Shooting Range

Sold to someone else in 2020. I wonder if the new owner is also sucking the sheriff's cock.

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Our pistol range utilizes a NRA certified “no blue sky” baffle system, and is situated under a steel roof to keep you comfortable and dry. Whether you’re new to handguns, or maintaining years of proficiency, it’s a pleasure to shoot from

I don't think so

Looks like 99% shotgun fudds

 

[AllenOne1]

I've never been to a range that did not consider a gun with a loaded magazine as loaded.
Bolt open = Good
Mag loaded laying on a bench = Good
Mag loaded and in gun =Bad

 

[308pirate]

Exiting a stage with a mag in the gun is a verbal warning, followed by a DQ at every PRS match I have ever attended. I've never been to a range that did not consider a gun with a loaded magazine as unloaded.

Do they not have an unload and show clear command from the RO before the shooter leaves?

 

[GenericBadGuy]

message from Luth family | Del Tone Shooting Range

Sold to someone else in 2020. I wonder if the new owner is also sucking the sheriff's cock.


I don't think so

Looks like 99% shotgun fudds

No, this was under the new ownership. The old owners had some sort of business relationship with DPMS if I remember correctly. But yeah mostly shotgun fudds.

 

[hlee]

Do they not have an unload and show clear command from the RO before the shooter leaves?

Not to the extent that I have seen in other venues. Safety is addressed at the initial briefing, where it is stressed that everyone is a safety officer. “When you finish the stage. Take a breath. Drop the mag. Clear the chamber. Then exit the stage. See something, say something. If you get called out, don’t get butt hurt. Everyone wants to leave with the same number of holes that they showed up with.”

At the bigger matches I have been to, stages have 2 ROs; one on the glass and another with the timer and the score tablet. “Local matches” are ROed within the squad. In neither case is there a RO standing over the shooter specifically monitoring safety. I’ve never heard an RO call out “empty and show clear” at a PRS event, though it has now been a year or more since I’ve attended one- and my range is pretty small.

The “run and gun” events I have attended are a bit different. Pistols are hot-holstered beginning with the end of the first stage. (I want to say that they are condition 3 up to the first stage). Rifles are carried empty between stages and loaded on the clock. ROs check the condition of the rifle (shooter, empty and show clear) at the end of the stage, at the beginning of the stage (shooter show clear) and at the finish line. If the rifle shows up hot at any stage, automatic DQ. Pistol is carried empty and clear once the final stage is complete.

 

[acudaowner]

which is worse the stupid people who make up stupid rules that other people must follow . Or the stupider people who keep paying stupid people to make up more stupid rules for them to follow ( and complain about) ?

 

[308pirate]

Not to the extent that I have seen in other venues. Safety is addressed at the initial briefing, where it is stressed that everyone is a safety officer. “When you finish the stage. Take a breath. Drop the mag. Clear the chamber. Then exit the stage. See something, say something. If you get called out, don’t get butt hurt. Everyone wants to leave with the same number of holes that they showed up with.”

At the bigger matches I have been to, stages have 2 ROs; one on the glass and another with the timer and the score tablet. “Local matches” are ROed within the squad. In neither case is there a RO standing over the shooter specifically monitoring safety. I’ve never heard an RO call out “empty and show clear” at a PRS event, though it has now been a year or more since I’ve attended one- and my range is pretty small.

The “run and gun” events I have attended are a bit different. Pistols are hot-holstered beginning with the end of the first stage. (I want to say that they are condition 3 up to the first stage). Rifles are carried empty between stages and loaded on the clock. ROs check the condition of the rifle (shooter, empty and show clear) at the end of the stage, at the beginning of the stage (shooter show clear) and at the finish line. If the rifle shows up hot at any stage, automatic DQ. Pistol is carried empty and clear once the final stage is complete.

Yeah dawg that level of casual safety procedures and enforcement is a hard pass for me.

 

[jpop8807]

It has come to my attention that there are ranges with really stupid rules? Having been born and raised in Wyoming, 90% of my shooting has been public lands, ie not a range. Now that I live in Cheyenne, very little public lands, it necessitated that I join a range, out west of town is a great outdoor range with the common basic and logical rules. Lots of handgun, shotgun and rifle bays with steel to 1000. Zero issues.

But I just read some really stupid stuff that happens at other ranges? Shooting speed limit? Must be trained at the range to carry that gun while at the range? Must listen to some Fudd boomer line Nazi on whatever he decides is relevant? What country do you guys live in?

And I want to hear your best/worst stories and rules. Go.

So for ranges around here. The dumbest shit I've seen was Cheyenne Mountain shooting complex. No drawing from a holster, trigger squeeze faster then 1 per second or so is rapid fire and can get you kicked off the range. One of the indoor ranges here pretty much the same, but I think with that one you can't even do press outs with a pistol.

 

[jpop8807]

I went to a range near Denver once that required you to go down range during the cease fire with everyone else and only look at your target. If your friend was shooting next to you, you weren't allowed to discuss targets downrange. They also kept ALL brass that hit the ground. Cease fires were every 15 minutes.

The county range here requires you to sit through a safety class before shooting, even as a member, all brass that falls in front of the line is theirs.

I visited a range in Bowling Green, Kentucky that also keeps the spent brass, doesn't allow reloads, and has a range officer watching at all times.

Which one was this I've been to two up there bristlecone, and Centenial gun club. I think one of those had similar rules.

 

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[Kamerad]

Not so much ‘rules’, but layout. Rifle line had overlapping lanes of fire.

 

[JMGlasgow]

Which one was this I've been to two up there bristlecone, and Centenial gun club. I think one of those had similar rules.

Cherry Creek if I remember correctly. I know I had to pay a park entrance fee and then a range fee to go there.

 

[powdahound76]

Cherry Creek if I remember correctly. I know I had to pay a park entrance fee and then a range fee to go there.

Yes, that is Cherry Creek.

I Never go there anymore.
Complete crap shoot.

Bristlecone for sure lets you pick up your brass

 

[ewoaf]

I took my handguns with me to Florida once when I was visiting my brother. We went to a local range where we had to wait for a time slot it was so busy, I brought my 357 mag and were shooting 38 specials that I had reloaded. The range said no reloads but these were in factory boxes and were nothing fancy. But the on-duty range officer came up to me as soon as I started shooting and said those are reloads aren’t they. I was honest and said yes they were but I asked him how he knew, he said he could smell the gun powder, 700x shotgun powder. It blew my mind. That’s exactly what I had loaded, he said I was ok because it seemed like I knew what I was doing lol. And then just walked away.

 

[Doc68]

So for ranges around here. The dumbest shit I've seen was Cheyenne Mountain shooting complex. No drawing from a holster, trigger squeeze faster then 1 per second or so is rapid fire and can get you kicked off the range. One of the indoor ranges here pretty much the same, but I think with that one you can't even do press outs with a pistol.

You ever see some of the people at Cheyenne shooting complex. I wouldn't trust 90% of the people to draw from a holster and not shoot themselves in the leg or someone else.

I just stick to range 1. Not many if any fudds usually there and when I'm the only one on there the RO lets me basically do what I want.

Not saying they are perfect. But better than a lot of ranges around here. Plus very cheap to shoot all day if I decide to do so.

9-10 bucks for retired .mil, no issues with brass and taking my own brass home with me.

Doc

 

[Pbgt]

Prolly not gonna be popular, but here it goes. I own a private range, training classes only, no "open to the public hrs" facility. We owe it to students to have a safe learning experience. EVERYBODY thinks the rules are for the "OTHER" guy...here is a sample...overnight class, no alcohol allowed on property...yup. I turf the entire group, no refunds. Opening an IWB leather holster that closes upon drawing, using the muzzle while pointed at his femoral artery. no thought process on why this is an issue, multiple renewal ccw student.. Green tips on my ar 500, creating spalling and safety issues for everyone, after having rules explained months prior to class. Not to mention the cost to me. Brass whores, picking up live rounds from previous classes, intending to shoot them, not having a clue why they are on the ground or wtf a +p+ is and if their gun is rated for them. Out of prolly 10k students, I could count on 1 hand, the number of med kits/tq"s in their range bags. Precision rifle class, student is 6 inches hi/right @ 25 yards, where we start EVERY rifle shooter, with a m82a1, he stated he thought you mount the scope and start with the turrets max'd upward. 10 min ago he was confident he had a 100 yard "zero". Another student with a 20k rifle/scope chassis, used the trigger guard to finish closing the bolt, bad habit, cold, fat fingers and a light trigger....yup...where did that go? I need students next of kin contact info, student had a stroke, one had a heart attack...could be a food allergy or bee sting...I am gonna guess relatives appreciated being kept informed on these events. Contact info gets tossed if ya leave alive, I don't need to store more paperworkshit. If we train with a swat team, we use all 5 ranges, prolly fire 3-5k rounds with handgun/ar ....ya think we "make money" picking up brass for the next 2 days? even with manicured grass, 2 days on your fuk'in knees is super fun, love to have some of the whiney bitches come help with that, hell, I will let ya keep all the crap we pick up too. ( except my $$ red dummy rounds, that are used to teach jam clearing) Steel or brass dulls mower blades quick, pops tires. We mow aprox 7 acres, this needs to get done quickly and efficiently.....I dont get paid to mow. Rules are there for a reason, the reason is sometimes a dumbass screwed it up for everybody else, sometimes YOU, while YOU don't think so, are the reason. Yes, I too have seen some really dumb rules, and TRY LIKE HELL to have common sense with what we list/enforce. We have amazing students, 99% are truly squared away, super safe etc...but we still gotta have some rules. flame on.

 

[Pbgt]

Not to mention, I have dealt/deal with anti-gun libs that think we, as americans, don't need ranges, noise complaints from folks several miles away...that didn't know we existed till some dipstick blames their neibours shooting on us, permits, insurance and compliance checks thru the county, anti 2a local papers...I want to make sure we represent the responsible firearms owners of this country, in the best light possible, and not further some anti 2a drivvel.

 

[chevy_man]

Back in the 2000's I belonged to a range in Illinois that didn't allow anyone to wear a holstered firearm when you went downrange to check/change targets. That included PD, Security, and civilians. I was threatened with being barred from the range for wearing the gun I carried on duty when I went downrange, I was supposed to leave it behind (where everyone else had access to it) because I might pose a hazard to the um....backstop? The dirt?
I got a letter threatening me with expulsion, and I sent it back with a notation saying, "See your asses in court. Three states say I'm allowed to carry loaded firearms AT ALL TIMES, but you peckerheads say that's not good enough? Just who the fuck do you think you are?"

An apology letter was received the day I formally vacated my membership, and a refund was issued for my membership costs. It still sticks in my craw how a bunch of self-appointed safety nazis could think they were doing anything safety-related.

To be fair, the only guy I've had to yell at multiple times during a match to watch his muzzle was our County Sheriff.

 

[Chasingpro]

The range closest to me that I do load development at requires that you take your guns out of the case in the parking lot and bring it inside holding it in your hands.

 

[The D]

The range closest to me that I do load development at requires that you take your guns out of the case in the parking lot and bring it inside holding it in your hands.

Have they explained this rule to you? That sounds really dumb

 

[Chasingpro]

Have they explained this rule to you? That sounds really dumb

They said it is just something that the owner is adamant about.

 

[Mike Casselton]

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Every time I read that, it îs sounded out in Mr Anderson's voice.

"Are you them two boys that's been whackin' off in my trailer?"

 

[jpjulian]

I was an R/O for 12 years at a public range. For every rule there was a specific reason it was enacted and ultimately a specific person or group responsible for the rule. It was called running the range according to the lowest common denominator. Nobody liked it but it is a place to shoot. I once took a fragment in the neck. Then there was the time an R/O shot someone point blank with a 12 ga. on the trap field due to incredibly unsafe muzzle discipline. Nobody likes rules but sometimes they have to be.

 

[EddieNFL]

I was an R/O for 12 years at a public range. For every rule there was a specific reason it was enacted and ultimately a specific person or group responsible for the rule. It was called running the range according to the lowest common denominator. Nobody liked it but it is a place to shoot. I once took a fragment in the neck. Then there was the time an R/O shot someone point blank with a 12 ga. on the trap field due to incredibly unsafe muzzle discipline. Nobody likes rules but sometimes they have to be.

Sat on the BOD of a club for many years. One Saturday I'm on the line with an elderly gentleman having trouble with a SIG. It MFed and he turned the muzzle down the line while trying to clear. I stepped over and asked if I could help. He handed me the gun and said thanks. I demonstrated blading my body so the muzzle remained pointed downrange while I hit the grip to remove the obviously out of spec round. Reminded him that breaking the 180 was a suspension from the club. He thanked me and I went back to my position.

A few minutes later I glanced down the line and get a good look at what looked like a 5.00 caliber muzzle. I shouted, "Muzzle downrange," and he looked shocked. I stepped over and asked for his gun, cleared it and asked him to case. We walked into the clubhouse, I asked him to surrender his badge and told him the Range Master would contact him about the suspension and how to move forward. Guy apologizes and shakes my hand

Week or so later I'm at the LGS and one of the guys asks, "WTF happened with Mr. Doe? He said he quit the club because it's ran by a bunch of Range Nazi assholes."

After that I embraced the names Asshole and Range Nazi.

PS: Been fragged more times than that TN cop has been nailed.

 

[Ronws]

Sat on the BOD of a club for many years. One Saturday I'm on the line with an elderly gentleman having trouble with a SIG. It MFed and he turned the muzzle down the line while trying to clear. I stepped over and asked if I could help. He handed me the gun and said thanks. I demonstrated blading my body so the muzzle remained pointed downrange while I hit the grip to remove the obviously out of spec round. Reminded him that breaking the 180 was a suspension from the club. He thanked me and I went back to my position.

A few minutes later I glanced down the line and get a good look at what looked like a 5.00 caliber muzzle. I shouted, "Muzzle downrange," and he looked shocked. I stepped over and asked for his gun, cleared it and asked him to case. We walked into the clubhouse, I asked him to surrender his badge and told him the Range Master would contact him about the suspension and how to move forward. Guy apologizes and shakes my hand

Week or so later I'm at the LGS and one of the guys asks, "WTF happened with Mr. Doe? He said he quit the club because it's ran by a bunch of Range Nazi assholes."

After that I embraced the names Asshole and Range Nazi.

PS: Been fragged more times than that TN cop has been nailed.

And this what I have found is the reason for rules at the ranges I have been to. For example, one range I can go to does not allow off hand shooting from a standing position at the 100 yard rifle range. The berm is high, yes. But there is a company some distance behind that and there has been, no doubt, some yahoo who thought he could off-hand a .338 LM and the property next door took rounds. And no FMJ rounds on the rifle range. Bullets need to open and fragment and slow the hell down on impact.

Also, the wisdom I have learned from a safety instructor is that there are two kinds of people. Those who have had NDs and those who will have NDs.

I say, if a person does not like the range rules, find another range. Or, in my state, buy at least 10 acres and check with your neighbors and build your own.

My instructor for my LTC also had pointed out that there is a lawyer attached to every bullet that you fire from any weapon.

I also know from the advice of lawyers to not worry about the word "may," accept that the word "will" applies in what you say and what evidence you have laying around WILL be used against you.

 

[EddieNFL]

My instructor for my LTC also had pointed out that there is a lawyer attached to every bullet that you fire from any weapon.

At one local match I occasionally shoot, the MD briefs, "You are legally, morally and financially responsible for every round you fire."

 

[Aussieusa]

And this what I have found is the reason for rules at the ranges I have been to. For example, one range I can go to does not allow off hand shooting from a standing position at the 100 yard rifle range. The berm is high, yes. But there is a company some distance behind that and there has been, no doubt, some yahoo who thought he could off-hand a .338 LM and the property next door took rounds. And no FMJ rounds on the rifle range. Bullets need to open and fragment and slow the hell down on impact.

Also, the wisdom I have learned from a safety instructor is that there are two kinds of people. Those who have had NDs and those who will have NDs.

I say, if a person does not like the range rules, find another range. Or, in my state, buy at least 10 acres and check with your neighbors and build your own.

My instructor for my LTC also had pointed out that there is a lawyer attached to every bullet that you fire from any weapon.

I also know from the advice of lawyers to not worry about the word "may," accept that the word "will" applies in what you say and what evidence you have laying around WILL be used against you.

My brother in law is a state trooper, and even he says don’t talk to the police without a lawyer present

 

[Holliday]

I feel so damn lucky. I’m an RSO at our local range. We have outstanding amenities and it is run by NON-fudd shooters.

As a member you get a key card and a lot of the time you will be alone there. The only time RSOs are on duty is for special public events, matches etc. The rest of the time everybody is considered an rso. It’s pretty much a hands off attitude unless you break a basic safety rule. The two biggies are keep the muzzle pointed down range and no touching weapons while the range is cold. Oh and don’t damage stuff with inappropriate caliber or ammo.

We have 100 yard w/ a heated shooting room, 200 yard, pistol shed, clubhouse with shower, camping is allowed, pistol steel area, tactical bays with steel, canyon with steel to 1200 yards, 1000 yard lift up target berm, rim fire area, shotgun area and Archery area with targets. There is a range labradar for use and a skeet launcher for the shotgun folks.

Membership is $75 a year / $100 for families. Bring a guest for $10 a visit. If your guest is not shoot no fee. As an RSO after 5 days worked, I get a free year. Targets are available to purchase on the honor system.

We rarely have any serious safety issues. A gentle reminder usually does the trick. Public days we are much more vigilant.

 

[Ronws]

My brother in law is a state trooper, and even he says don’t talk to the police without a lawyer present

Exactly right. In another thread, I had linked in a youtube of Prof. James Duane and why you should not talk to the police without a lawyer present. His follow up was also to introduce his book on the subject, "You Have the Right to Remain Innocent."

There are the STFU lawyers who gave a real world example on the wisdom of not talking to the police. However, not having evidence the police can use against you also helps.

 

[Ronws]

I feel so damn lucky. I’m an RSO at our local range. We have outstanding amenities and it is run by NON-fudd shooters.

As a member you get a key card and a lot of the time you will be alone there. The only time RSOs are on duty is for special public events, matches etc. The rest of the time everybody is considered an rso. It’s pretty much a hands off attitude unless you break a basic safety rule. The two biggies are keep the muzzle pointed down range and no touching weapons while the range is cold. Oh and don’t damage stuff with inappropriate caliber or ammo.

We have 100 yard w/ a heated shooting room, 200 yard, pistol shed, clubhouse with shower, camping is allowed, pistol steel area, tactical bays with steel, canyon with steel to 1200 yards, 1000 yard lift up target berm, rim fire area, shotgun area and Archery area with targets. There is a range labradar for use and a skeet launcher for the shotgun folks.

Membership is $75 a year / $100 for families. Bring a guest for $10 a visit. If your guest is not shoot no fee. As an RSO after 5 days worked, I get a free year. Targets are available to purchase on the honor system.

We rarely have any serious safety issues. A gentle reminder usually does the trick. Public days we are much more vigilant.

That is a place I would like to go.

 

[EddieNFL]

I feel so damn lucky. I’m an RSO at our local range. We have outstanding amenities and it is run by NON-fudd shooters.

As a member you get a key card and a lot of the time you will be alone there. The only time RSOs are on duty is for special public events, matches etc. The rest of the time everybody is considered an rso. It’s pretty much a hands off attitude unless you break a basic safety rule. The two biggies are keep the muzzle pointed down range and no touching weapons while the range is cold. Oh and don’t damage stuff with inappropriate caliber or ammo.

We have 100 yard w/ a heated shooting room, 200 yard, pistol shed, clubhouse with shower, camping is allowed, pistol steel area, tactical bays with steel, canyon with steel to 1200 yards, 1000 yard lift up target berm, rim fire area, shotgun area and Archery area with targets. There is a range labradar for use and a skeet launcher for the shotgun folks.

Membership is $75 a year / $100 for families. Bring a guest for $10 a visit. If your guest is not shoot no fee. As an RSO after 5 days worked, I get a free year. Targets are available to purchase on the honor system.

We rarely have any serious safety issues. A gentle reminder usually does the trick. Public days we are much more vigilant.

Pretty much describes my range...with slightlyyyyyyy higher dues. I usually shoot on week days so I'm alone more often than not.

 

[Holliday]

I usually shoot on week days so I'm alone more often than not.

My MO too. I am often there at sunrise, so almost no one is ever there then. The weekends are pretty quiet most times except for public sight in days right before hunting season. We’ll have a full house on some afternoons. That only applies to the 100 yard area though. Matches almost always happen on Fri -Sun

 

[Milo 2.5]

I feel so damn lucky. I’m an RSO at our local range. We have outstanding amenities and it is run by NON-fudd shooters.

As a member you get a key card and a lot of the time you will be alone there. The only time RSOs are on duty is for special public events, matches etc. The rest of the time everybody is considered an rso. It’s pretty much a hands off attitude unless you break a basic safety rule. The two biggies are keep the muzzle pointed down range and no touching weapons while the range is cold. Oh and don’t damage stuff with inappropriate caliber or ammo.

We have 100 yard w/ a heated shooting room, 200 yard, pistol shed, clubhouse with shower, camping is allowed, pistol steel area, tactical bays with steel, canyon with steel to 1200 yards, 1000 yard lift up target berm, rim fire area, shotgun area and Archery area with targets. There is a range labradar for use and a skeet launcher for the shotgun folks.

Membership is $75 a year / $100 for families. Bring a guest for $10 a visit. If your guest is not shoot no fee. As an RSO after 5 days worked, I get a free year. Targets are available to purchase on the honor system.

We rarely have any serious safety issues. A gentle reminder usually does the trick. Public days we are much more vigilant.

You do know geography plays big here right? Laramie Wy is not Denver, etc...
Sounds like a nice place to shoot! Also sounds like by paying a fee, you get the feeling of a sense of ownership, and this is a good thing. You pay at places you have no respect for, no need for an explanation.
I'd put a fair amount of money that the same type setup here in Gillette would be a hell hole in a yr and a half because of entitled MFR's.
I shot at the Rawlings city range, going in thinking shit town, shitty facilities, wow, was I wrong.
Keep up the good work! I do maintenance on a semi private range, every other outing it is WTF now, or OMFG, really.

 

[Baron23]

no touching weapons while the range is cold.

I can't tell you how many times I've seen what look like relatively new and inexperienced guys...or Fudds (a young guy with an AR he shoots once a year and his friend who is a guest...or a big family group with lots of kids)...come on the range and I do very politely and gently remind them that when we go cold, you do not touch the gun.

And then when cold I see somebody picking their gun up with the excuse of "I was just putting in the gun rack behind the bench".

Then the message changes to "what part of don't touch the fucking gun don't you understand"

Yeah, I'm a self-righteous asshole but I've not been shot yet either. LOL

 

[Holliday]

You do know geography plays big here right? Laramie Wy is not Denver, etc...

Wyoming has more than it’s fair share of fudds. In fact, not long ago they tried to take over the board. Because of one bad apple it was made a public shit show in the local paper and at city council. Fortunately the good guys prevailed.

We are a college town and a lot of inexperienced students come shoot.

Laramie has more than it’s fair share of “woke-sters”. We recently had a very liberal activist run for the board. The alarm was sounded to be sure and show up for that vote….whew!

Our Range is the way it is, because of our outstanding Board members who work tirelessly at these core values. I shudder to think what will happen when some of these key folks age-out or move on.

We have had some theft and destruction of property from time to time. In fact our wood stove in the heated shooting room was stolen. We now have cameras and an electronic gate with key cards document entry and exits.

 

[Holliday]

I can't tell you how many times I've seen what look like relatively new and inexperienced guys...or Fudds (a young guy with an AR he shoots once a year and his friend who is a guest...or a big family group with lots of kids)...come on the range and I do very politely and gently remind them that when we go cold, you do not touch the gun.

And then when cold I see somebody picking their gun up with the excuse of "I was just putting in the gun rack behind the bench".

Then the message changes to "what part of don't touch the fucking gun don't you understand"

Yeah, I'm a self-righteous asshole but I've not been shot yet either. LOL

Yeah that is always the one we are really getting on the line esp. during public days. We try to be gentle but firm and most folks are pretty good.

The atmosphere is such that there is also peer pressure to observe the rules. Most people seem to understand that it is really about safety and not control. We also flag rifles during “cold range” so this has already mitigated to some degree.

 

[Baron23]

Yeah that is always the one we are really getting on the line esp. during public days. We try to be gentle but firm and most folks are pretty good.

The atmosphere is such that there is also peer pressure to observe the rules. Most people seem to understand that it is really about safety and not control. We also flag rifles during “cold range” so this has already mitigated to some degree.

Flag as in chamber flag…or do you require a muzzle flag of some sort?

And I agree…most people, even inexperienced folks, are good about listening and following the rules.

And the “I was just putting it in the rack” or “I was just dialing my scope” usually just think what they’re doing is some sort of exception and we dissuade such people of this notion with a statement that may begin with “I don’t care what you thought you were doing….etc”. Lol

Cheers

 

[Holliday]

Flag as in chamber flag…or do you require a muzzle flag of some sort?

Chamber flag. We have a yellow line on the floor that folks are supposed to be behind, away from the bench, during cold range. This is enforced on public days when RSOs are on duty.

 

[308pirate]

The range closest to me that I do load development at requires that you take your guns out of the case in the parking lot and bring it inside holding it in your hands.

WTF