My complaints with the halo would probably not go away with another, cheaper thermal. If i had disposable cash i would try it out, but maybe i should just be happy.
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Night Vision Super Yoter C - Any Experience Yet?
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The Halo is a great unit for sure and is American made. However, getting a focus adjustable, 640 resolution clip on with a 1280 HD display..... you won't find a unit like it for under 24k.
If there was an American equivalent, even for 3x the price, I would have went with that unit. The closest is the TigIR from Andres Industries (which I have) but even that lacks a manual focus (which really limits the capabilities with long range engagements...and makes me sad) The simple fact is, there is nothing, not a single unit, that comes close to the Super Yoter being produced in the US for the consumer market at the current moment. American manufacturers really need to recognize this and address it accordingly, or they will continue to lose out to the likes of China. This is a fact.
Right, but how do they compare to each other is the real question. I hear mixed reviews. Picture and durability are top of the list, some times i am not impressed with my halo.
The Yoter will look better due to that 1280 display, compared to the B&W display of the Halo LR. For example, this is using the Yoter with a 4x32 acog. The first image is a 1x digital and 4x optical, the second is 2x digital and 4x optical. Durability has yet to be truly tested with my unit, but that will come VERY shortly here this winter.
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The UTC-X is always the gold standard everyone compares clip on thermal to, and for good reason. I wish someone (coughnvisioncoughmaxrcough) would make a thermal clip-on the right way, with good demagnification so it can be used at higher mag levels like the UTC lineup. This has been a major gap for a LONG time and no one has ever gone after it. It baffles me.
That, and not cost 20k+
No electro optic will that I’m aware of. Not even a UTCx or Xii.
Definitely. There are a few that are so close. This one. The Tigir. They're all lacking something. Someone just do it right for God's sake. And make it $10k or less. It can't be THAT hard can it? Hahahaha
Of course if you've ever looked through an INOD, you're probably screwed either way. 
The tigir is painfully close.... all it's lacking is a manual focus. If it had that, it would be every bit of a UTC killer.
Sometimes I wonder if I should throw in the towel and just go chinese and acknowledge our new masters as kings !!!
Sure would be nice paying less (for less).
The thought does cross through my brain ... but hum ... then the little birdy says ... "not today" ... and I move on, continuing to hold fast !!!
Sure would be nice paying less (for less).
The thought does cross through my brain ... but hum ... then the little birdy says ... "not today" ... and I move on, continuing to hold fast !!!
Be like Dido and don't hoist any White Flag above your door. Go down with the ship like a good Captain.Sometimes I wonder if I should throw in the towel and just go chinese and acknowledge our new masters as kings !!!
Sure would be nice paying less (for less).
The thought does cross through my brain ... but hum ... then the little birdy says ... "not today" ... and I move on, continuing to hold fast !!!
That's what us real patriots are supposed to do.
Yeah....it is. It's would be an overall newer, and better unit, than the UTC X/Xii if it had a manual focus (from an image perspective). I already know you're probably referencing a prism (or the lack of one), but a manual collimation doesn't bother me personally.
They are available currently. Night Goggles will be posting them on our website in the near future. Until then, you can contact either Carina at 909-312-5424 X331 or Tom Austin at X531. They will ask you if you wish to mount the Clip-On to the Objective or to the Rail and can get an order in with the desired mounting solution.
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Another yote down with the Yoter. 200 yards dead hold and dropped her like a rock. The unit is still holding up well and maintaining zero without issue. Also, have some cows to look at as reference..... to see how much detail is retained at higher optical levels of magnification. The close cows are at 80 yards, and the far ones are at 234 meters, using 10x optical magnification.
This thing, for the price, punches WELL above its weight class. I dare to say.... but it's the best clip on unit (image wise at distance at least)under $18k currently available.... I can even PID coyotes at 800+ yards without issue. I said what I said.
Day optic is Vortex 1-10×24 Gen III Razor, and the image is better to your eyes than in my pictures (it's crisper to the eye).
Come on N Vision!! We need you to best this PLA clip on
. I want to buy American dammit, but I can't argue with the results thus far.
This thing, for the price, punches WELL above its weight class. I dare to say.... but it's the best clip on unit (image wise at distance at least)under $18k currently available.... I can even PID coyotes at 800+ yards without issue. I said what I said.
Day optic is Vortex 1-10×24 Gen III Razor, and the image is better to your eyes than in my pictures (it's crisper to the eye).
Come on N Vision!! We need you to best this PLA clip on
. I want to buy American dammit, but I can't argue with the results thus far.
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Wouldn't the reticle be useless with a clip on? If the clip on magnification is at 6x for example...but the day scope is at 3x.... I would think the reticle would not be correct with using BDC drops or mil hash marks? Am I missing something here?
Yes, you are. That would be the case if the unit wasn't at 1x total affinity. The unit has an optical back end demag to match the front end magnification, putting it at a true 1x net affinity. When you use digital mag however, your point of aim/impact is altered.
This unit does have a correction factor (in the form of a digitally produced cross hair) that's superimposed on your day reticle to correct the point impact (still modifies your hold over though when using digital mag).
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Pretty damn good. Sucks it gets close to halo pricing and its definitely in used halo range. I will buy american if its even remotely close. Not just for keeping the money in the USA but also it’s usually much better in the long run.
I would be pretty happy with that image though, wish the nox could do clipon and helmet mounted. Id have 2. Lol
I would be pretty happy with that image though, wish the nox could do clipon and helmet mounted. Id have 2. Lol
I do completely understand that.... however, the Halo isn't a clip on. I typically stick to only USA made units as long as what I'm looking for is is also made by a US company, but there is nothing even remotely close to this performance in the clip on category at even a 12k price tag. The closest is a SNIPE IR (price wise) and it can't even produce for 25% of the image quality/PID this Yoter can. The closest image wise (oh...oh so close) is the TigIR.. but even it fails to deliver what this does.
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Yeah, I completely agree. I would love a clipon, its where my heart is, same boat as you. I am not dropping 12-20k on a toy that gets used by me only on occasion (bet i still hunt more than most).
i worry about long term reliability with chinesium. I can be rough with equipment an it needs to be able to take the elements. Dust, sweat, tears, vibrations and occasional drop.
Hard to argue with a 4 year warranty from Bering though... If you don't like it after a year I'm sure you will only be out a couple hundred bucks. That's a cheap rental.
I echo the request for NVision to make a clip on that competes!
ETA: those images are incredible
I echo the request for NVision to make a clip on that competes!
ETA: those images are incredible
See, I have no issues with spending that much (I also night hunt more than most) on an expensive unit.... if it delivers like Amazon on a holiday.
That said, I get quite distraught when a $11.5k clip on (you know, like the Tig) can't PID a coyote at 300 yards, while a sub $5k unit (with a great recoil rating btw) can do that job at >1k yards......
At that point, is it even a question which is the better value? Not only value, but image performance and usability. I NEED a unit in my area that I can easily identify with certainty what I'm looking at, and the Tig just falls short to a significant margin. Oh Andres..... why didn't you just put a manual focus on this thing? You were so close to perfection.
It's that good. When I can see the ears moving on a coyote at 800 yards on 10 optical and 2x digital... you have a winner. Some else I know has one and he said it beats a Trijicon MkIII 60mm for at distance engagements.
The sensor is from iRay, but with Bering Optics you are buying a thermal that is assembled in the US from vetted components from all over the world. They are assembled, serviced, and supported right here. Do you hear anyone complaining about the D740's, D760's, D790s, etc? Guess who makes those, yes, it is Bering Optics. However when those were first introduced, people were saying they were Russian garbage that wouldn't hold up, and I know of lots of folks that would confirm they were/are very good and dependable NV products. Bering doesn't build anything that isn't designed to last a long time.
You can call them Chinesium because it has an iRay sensor in it if you want, but it is that iRay sensor plus Bering's firmware and a few other things that is providing that incredible image Jstokes is talking about. 4-year transferrable warranty on the Hogsters, Yoters, and Phenom. My thermals get used down to around -30°F and I have yet to have a shutter stick, or a malfunction in the cold. Some try to say it isn't designed for serious hunters. I shot 304 coyotes last winter, by myself, with a Super Hogster TWS and Phenom scanner in the frigid temps and snow of ND. There was not one malfunction, glitch or anything. If that isn't serious hunting, I don't know what is. I don't own a Yoter C, but I would not hesitate if I wanted a Clip On.
You can call them Chinesium because it has an iRay sensor in it if you want, but it is that iRay sensor plus Bering's firmware and a few other things that is providing that incredible image Jstokes is talking about. 4-year transferrable warranty on the Hogsters, Yoters, and Phenom. My thermals get used down to around -30°F and I have yet to have a shutter stick, or a malfunction in the cold. Some try to say it isn't designed for serious hunters. I shot 304 coyotes last winter, by myself, with a Super Hogster TWS and Phenom scanner in the frigid temps and snow of ND. There was not one malfunction, glitch or anything. If that isn't serious hunting, I don't know what is. I don't own a Yoter C, but I would not hesitate if I wanted a Clip On.
I hate this thing because I want it to be a Chinese piece of shit and it isn’t. Or even close to it.
House 1.5km
Car - 4km
Car - 1900m
Neighborhood at 1500m
House 1.5km
Car - 4km
Car - 1900m
Neighborhood at 1500m
Can any of you folks with units in hand take pics of your setups on the gun? I’ve only seen those green backdrop ones snagged from the website. Would love to see how you’ve mounted them up on your setups, whether dedicated pic mount or objective bell clamps.
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Yes - separate each one. It stores up to 4, or you can write down the values if you need more than that.
One of the things I love about the clip on type units is the ability to do distance engagements. Many thermals suck at this - but since its my day optic I just use the reticle/dope for day work and it works out fine.
For some reason our range has 1 plate that stays SUPER visible all night. Its a 6" diamond. AT 850yds. This thing sees that plate so well repeatable hits are pretty doable.
One of the things I love about the clip on type units is the ability to do distance engagements. Many thermals suck at this - but since its my day optic I just use the reticle/dope for day work and it works out fine.
For some reason our range has 1 plate that stays SUPER visible all night. Its a 6" diamond. AT 850yds. This thing sees that plate so well repeatable hits are pretty doable.
Yeah - that said I didn't really test this. Or at 2x either.
The image shown the scope has twice the distance between two points now. So if a 1 meter stick was viewed downrange, on 2x it would take up 2 meters of space. Which means to shoot the bottom of it, you would have to hold a distance that would appear as 2 meters in the scope, but still be 1 meter actually. Angular displacement velocity would become 2x meaning it would appear to be 2m but actually move very quickly across it...yeah..
Makes sense right?
1 mil of hold downrange becomes 4 in a christmas tree reticle. Oddly enough, there is no difference if you spin the dial I believe.
Yes I was thinking of it backwards. I had made a sheet that would show the holdovers for SFP scopes at different magnifications. I did this to quantify the error of dialing to 3x and holding like it was 4x. It was pretty negligible for the first couple hundred yards which was interesting.
I'd love to see that one tested on the range. It seems like if the reticle is impacted the dial should be too. I don't fully understand the SFP / FFP design of scopes so adding a clip on to the mix is more than I've thought through.
On another note, what mag range have you found this supports reasonably well? Digital zoom is a pretty powerful tool in front of today's LPVOs.
I have found the Yoter to be paired best with LPVOs (1-6, 1-8, and 1-10.. with the Vortex Razor Gen III 1-10x24 being the best.) Even at 10x optical, the image is still very usable at increasing your PID. Here's an example of a cow at 240 yards using 10x optical mag for comparison sake. When you add in how good the digital magnification is with the unit.. you can PID animals VERY far away with repeatability.
I’ve also got one and a will post a pic of my setup in a little bit…my experience has been similar to @jstokes1 and @The King. This thing is super capable. I was out messing around with it this morning looking at people and dogs from 315-422 yards. Temp was 80 deg F and 92% humidity, so not ideal but there was absolutely no question on being able to PID. Eventually I’ll try and take some pics through it…maybe later today. I’ll go to the range and look at some steel to give some perspective on resolution at known distance. My phone is an iPhone 7 so the camera isn’t the greatest but I’ll do my best.
Just got word Bering will be sending one out to us at the Nov 6 Night Shoot, so definitely looking forward to giving it a closer look. #shamelesspromo #comeoutandtouchit
This was debated at length and then tested in relation to the Tig. End result was that both holding and dialing are equally affected by digital magnification of the clip on. If using digital magnification, you can’t use your normal day holds or normal day turret adjustments.
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