Yes, no one said otherwise, yet here you are.And I'm sure there are plenty of actions that finished that match without problems.
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Yes, no one said otherwise, yet here you are.And I'm sure there are plenty of actions that finished that match without problems.
Yes, no one said otherwise, yet here you are.
Wasn’t a major match won recently with Surgeon?
I'm not the one that made a stupid remark about a Surgeon winning a match acting like it's a big deal ???
I think the prevailing sentiment is not that Surgeon actions are bad. It's just Impact innovated while Surgeon stood still and as a result, are BETTER actions these days. That doesn't mean the Surgeon is bad, it can be good vs great.The point was that despite perceived deprecation of the design, the action is still competitive.
What are the innovations that Surgeon actions are missing?I think the prevailing sentiment is not that Surgeon actions are bad. It's just Impact innovated while Surgeon stood still and as a result, are BETTER actions these days. That doesn't mean the Surgeon is bad, it can be good vs great.
I'm sure @Terry Cross can expound on that question. My elementary understanding of it is that Impact actions are held to such tight tolerances that you can get a barrel for your action without the gunsmith ever seeing the action. Also Impact reportedly has some of the best bolt timing around these days.What are the innovations that Surgeon actions are missing?
It's not that anything is missing. Surgeons have excellent features. I still have some in my personal collection. Below are some key features of the Impact action.What are the innovations that Surgeon actions are missing?
Impact needs to step up on the game than. They don't offer LA or LA MAG. I spoke w them and they are catering to the PRS guys not the ELR game!!!
This is my hunting 6.5-284 with a Surgeon RLR. Smooth as glass.the surgeon RSR was my favorite 700 clone to build on for a long time. they were TOO GOOD for TOO CHEAP so they are no longer available!?
Thats not a stainless Surgeon is it? Np3 coated or bead blasted chrome?This is my hunting 6.5-284 with a Surgeon RLR. Smooth as glass. View attachment 6953955
Surgeon has an action that I've not seen listed anywhere. I can't remember what it is called but I saw a tray full of them. I believe there were even some left handed ones there.the surgeon RSR was my favorite 700 clone to build on for a long time. they were TOO GOOD for TOO CHEAP so they are no longer available!?
StainlessThats not a stainless Surgeon is it? Np3 coated or bead blasted chrome?
RSRs and RLRs are stainless receivers.Didn't realize they made a stainless at one time.
Will not find a better/classy person in the world than Preston. Thankful for everyday I get to spend with him.I would call that about the classiest rebuke and setting of the record straight that I’ve seen on here.
This needs to be a sticky on the bolt action rifle forum. Seriously, because this conversation always comes up. Coming from the horse's mouth should put this to rest!These are some notes from my written history of Surgeon Rifles.
Pritchett's Machining was opened on 01-01-01 as a job shop.
The Surgeon name came from a nickname for Roman (former Army Ranger) had put on himself. He was the best I had ever seen on a manual mill.
Roman Leader (the Surgeon) started when we opened the doors Jan 1st 2001 and Retired mid October 2001.
After it was decided to make a action Wade brought many ideas for features on the action. In early 2003 we were 50% partners in a company called Surgeon Rifles.
Perry Colby started working in the shop in August of 2003. He is an extremely talented machinist and designer. While he did not have experience with firearms his work as both was an integral part of the development of Surgeon products.
XP 001 was the first action made. We threw it together with a used take off barrel from Terry Cross and a used McMillan A4 from Ken Stuteville. Wade wanted to test the first actions for a year to make sure everything was excellent. It was all I could do to pay the bills and needed something to do in the shop. He said he understood but if I was going to do this he wanted to back away. Our partnership separated over this. It was a decision we both regret to this day. We are still the best of friends.
We were constantly running ideas by Terry Cross. I can hear him like yesterday say. Man that would be cool. It would be even neater if a guy could add this or that into it also. The offer was made to Terry for part of the company if he would come join us. His roots were where he was at so he declined the offer.
August 19th 2011 Kathy and I sold 80% to Strategic Armory Corp.
After a few interviews Wade Stuteville was hired to be over Surgeon. Wade was the best manager to ever walk into the door in Oklahoma.
Steven Barrier started working at Surgeon in August of 2008 5 years after the start of the company as a salesman. Steven had a magnetic personality. He also had a tendency to say things that were untrue to cause conflict and to make him look better. The guys in the shop had nicknamed Steven “The Cancer”. He would later claim to be the designer and brains behind Surgeon. Truth is he was rarely around during the design. It took him over 2 years to buy a rifle, had he been involved I would have given him one. He had been shooting a Remington 700 built by Terry Cross.
In 2018 Wade and I were called on a conference call with a customer and some military leaders from Pakistan. Steven was claiming to have designed and owned the rights to the Surgeon action. He was telling them he could build and deliver them something like 30 Surgeon rifles per month. This was 2 years after he left Surgeon.
My opinion is Nexusfire owes Wade and Terry an apology. And Steven Barrier owes hundreds if not thousands of people apologies for the lies and pain he has caused. I would also bet that where Steven is working the stress level of the owner and employees are a lot greater than when he walked in there door.
As for Surgeon I think there brightest days are in the near future. They now have the equipment and backing to make great increases in the precision rifle arena. There is talk of exciting new items being produced when they get the pipeline flowing on the existing products. I am sorry the products are not available for immediate purchase. We should have made more for the shelf during the transition period. It’s hard to take production from one state to the other. Lots of training for the new employees. Lots of unseen hurdles to overcome. It’s very easy to look backwards and see what you should have done and what you should have seen. There are now a lot more good actions to choose from than when we started. As for me I will always be biased and firmly believe the Surgeon is the best for obvious reasons. Thankfully, I am still employed by Surgeon. Terry is right, competition breeds improvements. Wasn’t long ago we didn’t have rangefinders, the only fruitcake shooting a .260 was Terry Cross. McMillan A3 or 4 was tops. No one ran suppressors on their match guns. 2nd focal plane Leupold with mil dot crosshairs from Premier Reticles with MOA knobs was hard to beat. Mildot Master and a calculator was a necessity.
So the big question is what do we need to come up with to take the game to the next level. It still amazes me to look down range at a little target and think about hitting it. Seems like it wasn’t long ago we built a range to 385 yards and thought. This is as far as we will ever need. Some of the best times of my life we’re meeting and shooting with you guys. Now my best times are spent with my grandson and granddaughter. But I have to watch my grandson. He has been known to sucker punch me in the mouth when I am not on my toes. But I guess that’s what I deserve for picking on him.
Thanks,
Preston
These are some notes from my written history of Surgeon Rifles.
Pritchett's Machining was opened on 01-01-01 as a job shop.
The Surgeon name came from a nickname for Roman (former Army Ranger) had put on himself. He was the best I had ever seen on a manual mill.
Roman Leader (the Surgeon) started when we opened the doors Jan 1st 2001 and Retired mid October 2001.
After it was decided to make a action Wade brought many ideas for features on the action. In early 2003 we were 50% partners in a company called Surgeon Rifles.
Perry Colby started working in the shop in August of 2003. He is an extremely talented machinist and designer. While he did not have experience with firearms his work as both was an integral part of the development of Surgeon products.
XP 001 was the first action made. We threw it together with a used take off barrel from Terry Cross and a used McMillan A4 from Ken Stuteville. Wade wanted to test the first actions for a year to make sure everything was excellent. It was all I could do to pay the bills and needed something to do in the shop. He said he understood but if I was going to do this he wanted to back away. Our partnership separated over this. It was a decision we both regret to this day. We are still the best of friends.
We were constantly running ideas by Terry Cross. I can hear him like yesterday say. Man that would be cool. It would be even neater if a guy could add this or that into it also. The offer was made to Terry for part of the company if he would come join us. His roots were where he was at so he declined the offer.
August 19th 2011 Kathy and I sold 80% to Strategic Armory Corp.
After a few interviews Wade Stuteville was hired to be over Surgeon. Wade was the best manager to ever walk into the door in Oklahoma.
Steven Barrier started working at Surgeon in August of 2008 5 years after the start of the company as a salesman. Steven had a magnetic personality. He also had a tendency to say things that were untrue to cause conflict and to make him look better. The guys in the shop had nicknamed Steven “The Cancer”. He would later claim to be the designer and brains behind Surgeon. Truth is he was rarely around during the design. It took him over 2 years to buy a rifle, had he been involved I would have given him one. He had been shooting a Remington 700 built by Terry Cross.
In 2018 Wade and I were called on a conference call with a customer and some military leaders from Pakistan. Steven was claiming to have designed and owned the rights to the Surgeon action. He was telling them he could build and deliver them something like 30 Surgeon rifles per month. This was 2 years after he left Surgeon.
My opinion is Nexusfire owes Wade and Terry an apology. And Steven Barrier owes hundreds if not thousands of people apologies for the lies and pain he has caused. I would also bet that where Steven is working the stress level of the owner and employees are a lot greater than when he walked in there door.
As for Surgeon I think there brightest days are in the near future. They now have the equipment and backing to make great increases in the precision rifle arena. There is talk of exciting new items being produced when they get the pipeline flowing on the existing products. I am sorry the products are not available for immediate purchase. We should have made more for the shelf during the transition period. It’s hard to take production from one state to the other. Lots of training for the new employees. Lots of unseen hurdles to overcome. It’s very easy to look backwards and see what you should have done and what you should have seen. There are now a lot more good actions to choose from than when we started. As for me I will always be biased and firmly believe the Surgeon is the best for obvious reasons. Thankfully, I am still employed by Surgeon. Terry is right, competition breeds improvements. Wasn’t long ago we didn’t have rangefinders, the only fruitcake shooting a .260 was Terry Cross. McMillan A3 or 4 was tops. No one ran suppressors on their match guns. 2nd focal plane Leupold with mil dot crosshairs from Premier Reticles with MOA knobs was hard to beat. Mildot Master and a calculator was a necessity.
So the big question is what do we need to come up with to take the game to the next level. It still amazes me to look down range at a little target and think about hitting it. Seems like it wasn’t long ago we built a range to 385 yards and thought. This is as far as we will ever need. Some of the best times of my life we’re meeting and shooting with you guys. Now my best times are spent with my grandson and granddaughter. But I have to watch my grandson. He has been known to sucker punch me in the mouth when I am not on my toes. But I guess that’s what I deserve for picking on him.
Thanks,
Preston
What are the innovations that Surgeon actions are missing?
Hopefully seriously reevaluating his information sources.Hi,
So with all these first hand knowledge post from guys like Terry, Wade, Preston, etc.....where is Nexus???…
Sincerely,
Theis
I'm sure @Terry Cross can expound on that question.
For clarification, here's the story with how surgeon developed: after the military i worked for Overton tool&die company in Indiana where I completed a 4 year apprenticeship got my journeymans cert, and boogied to Oklahoma with our little shop in Shawnee in 96. One of our guys was chair/force good guy too and we gave each other bs all the time, he would joke that i perform work like a surgeon doing an operation, thus Dom nicknamed me the surgeon. I engraved stuff, tools, guns parts, knives whatever with that name, and began doing small parts for rifles, recoil lugs and sold some locally to shooters,,,and had a neat idea for a one piece action based on the rem700 design more or less, 4140 or 4340 steel, BUT, with one piece rail and rings with integral lug attached. The idea was be able to buttstroke the enemy and still hold zero, that was the idea. It worked! Around 98, a prototype 700 #0001 was design was built by me, added my surgeon rings tigd to 700action and haas cnc contour for 30mm scope, lug welded on, and bolt handle job, trigger job. Tested the gun and it fired .250 groups rather easy, shilen full contour bull barrel std 308 ream job, titanium devcon bed in mcmillan stock. Also built a couple single shot ideas 4140 iirc, rails were burnt on edm i kept one and gave one to Preston after he and I met in 99 i think. We opened his shop in 01 I left there later that year. Surgeonrifles happened sometime thereafter. Long, long, long ago we did a raffle on armyranger to help a fellow brother that needed help so we built a1911 and we raised about 3k for him. One of our Rb's back east has that pistol now. Popped the coyote at 680. God Bless friends!
WowFor clarification, here's the story with how surgeon developed: after the military i worked for Overton tool&die company in Indiana where I completed a 4 year apprenticeship got my journeymans cert, and boogied to Oklahoma with our little shop in Shawnee in 96. One of our guys was chair/force good guy too and we gave each other bs all the time, he would joke that i perform work like a surgeon doing an operation, thus Dom nicknamed me the surgeon. I engraved stuff, tools, guns parts, knives whatever with that name, and began doing small parts for rifles, recoil lugs and sold some locally to shooters,,,and had a neat idea for a one piece action based on the rem700 design more or less, 4140 or 4340 steel, BUT, with one piece rail and rings with integral lug attached. The idea was be able to buttstroke the enemy and still hold zero, that was the idea. It worked! Around 98, a prototype 700 #0001 was design was built by me, added my surgeon rings tigd to 700action and haas cnc contour for 30mm scope, lug welded on, and bolt handle job, trigger job. Tested the gun and it fired .250 groups rather easy, shilen full contour bull barrel std 308 ream job, titanium devcon bed in mcmillan stock. Also built a couple single shot ideas 4140 iirc, rails were burnt on edm i kept one and gave one to Preston after he and I met in 99 i think. We opened his shop in 01 I left there later that year. Surgeonrifles happened sometime thereafter. Long, long, long ago we did a raffle on armyranger to help a fellow brother that needed help so we built a1911 and we raised about 3k for him. One of our Rb's back east has that pistol now. Popped the coyote at 680. God Bless friends!
Have you ever had one of the pull ropes snap off inside the spring loaded hub of a chainsaw, mower or weedeater while you were trying to crank it in vain?....... That best describes my pull with Surgeon currently.Terry do you still have any pull with Surgeon, been trying to get a 1581XL-R-LAP since last year ?