it is a "ground breaking leap forward" seems like a bit of a stretch.
For you, perhaps it is a stretch. For me, the zero stop mechanism and the parallax characteristics are found on no other scope. It is a huge departure from
anything I'm familiar with, and I've owned/used nearly every high end scope on the market.
That is a good question, and there was nothing in your review that was inadequate. Maybe just a different way of looking at it.
I see that the TT525P and the PMII 5-25x25 have these similar features: *snip*
It is easy to focus on the similarities. There will always be more the same than is different, but it is those differences that truly set products apart. To acknowledge that which is same, without acknowledging that which is different, only tells one side of the story. From that perspective, it would be easy to support the argument you are trying to make. However, the facts don't support that argument. I have had several people in the office to evaluate the TT525P over the last week. They were all pretty switched-on with plenty of experience, and the response has been nothing but positive. You talked about what is the same, so lets talk about what is different. It's not the similarities that make products stand out, but their differences.
Zero Stop
S&B - You must use a hex key to adjust it.
TT - You use your fingers.
On one scope, you need to get a tool, and interface tiny screws. Do this enough, and you'll eventually drop that hex key. Losing it in the grass is not that fun when you have serious business to attend to. On the other scope, you use your fingers, and it takes a few seconds. No tool to drop, nothing to forget... you just do it. Sure, this isn't important to someone that shoots on a square range once a month... but I shoot nearly every day, at minimum once a week, and switch barrels as much as 15-20 times in a day depending on what I'm working on. Not everyone is in that position, but a lot of us are. This is the most intuitive and easy to set zero stop I've ever worked with. If there is another scope out there with a better system, what is the make/model of that scope?
Optical Design
I'm not talking glass quality, I'm talking your experience behind the scope. Glass quality could go either way, depending on the user. Both are top-tier. In optical design however, the TT525P is decidedly better than the S&B. I don't mean by a little bit, but in every respect by a wide margin. This is apparent to every single person I've had do a side-by-side comparison. Eyebox, parallax, eye relief through mag range, edge-to-edge clarity, true magnification range (lack of tunneling), reticle illumination, is all better on the TT than the S&B.
Physical Design
The TT has more travel in two turns than the S&B, and more on each turn. This is extremely important to those of us scoping ELR rifles. You want to engage targets at max range with a 375CT? Very few scopes will allow this on the turret. The illumination control doesn't prohibit mounting options as the S&B does. The turrets are larger in diameter, which provides a more widely spaced and easily seen/heard click.
I, and the people I've shown this scope to, are in a far better position to comment on what is the same or what is different than anyone else is. Those people's comments to me during their evaluation, have absolutely
shredded the S&B AND premier. When they come in, I don't say much of anything... I just ploped them down at the table in front of a 4th story window where 3 DTA's sit with TT, S&B, and Premier for them to compare.
The deeper you drill down in specifics, the more differences you find. When you get under the hood, and actually look at the mechanics of each scope and how they operate... the S&B is absolutely decimated by the TT525P. From the aspect of the engineering and manufacturing techniques involved, the TT525P is the absolute cutting-edge state of the current art. They have taken the engineering design as far as manufacturing technologies would allow them to go while still being able to produce reliable and effective parts.
You guys don't like the price. I get it. Really, that's a decision you each need to make for yourself, and I'll respect your choice either way.
The comments that "its just another scope" or its "the same as this other scope" could not be further from the truth as it pertains to the facts. That may be how you see it, from your perspective, but that does not make it so. Something is either the same, or it isn't... and the TT525P is not the same as anything other than other TT525P's. Some aspects of it might be the same as other scopes, but it is the differences that separate them, not their similarities.
Now I've got some questions I'd like answers to. I know why I'm passionate about why I like the scope, and have explained it in as much detail as possible, drawing from my far-greater-than-average first hand experiences to draw and share my conclusions. Why are some of you so passionate about why you don't like it? I understand complaints of price, but if it is too expensive, why not simply choose to not buy it and move on? Isn't that enough? Is it unreasonable to expect men to withhold judgement until they have actually seen, or maybe even touched, the item they are so passionately displeased with? Would it be so bad for the industry as a whole to receive new products with a critical enthusiasm, instead of this all too frequent uninformed and hostile attitude? If they fail, let them fail. If you have something to say, say it... but say it in a way which resembles an remotely intellectual fashion.
So far, I've seen far more statements than questions in this thread. There are one of these things in the wild, and its at Primal Rights. I am available to any and all who have remotely intellectual questions. I'd think there are precious few whom are in a position to make any statements about this products capabilities on its own, or when compared to other products. Over the next few months, that will change, and I assure you that when people start receiving these scopes, much of what I've said will be echoed. I don't think I'm out of line to ask for a little civility and perspective in this thread until that happens. What does it hurt, to save your negative comments until you get some experience with the TT525P?
