Tariffs and ammo prices?
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No 22LR like SK, Eley, Lapua may get more expensive and harder to find.
And yes, SK Standard+, I have to grab a case when I can find it.
is Lapua still throttling production to concentrate on supplying Ukraine?
what about bartlien,? still producing barrels for the war effort?
Not a chance. It's the raw materials prices that are going to go up the most from the tarrifs.
That's why I want them to have to vote on it, on the record. I'm tired of these fucks claiming they don't vote in support new/more taxes, while letting the administrative/executive impose/increase all manner of fees/fines.
When I posted this the fan base attacked me hard. Those people have since deleted their posts as I was correct except for gas prices falling because the economy is softening and OPEC+ increased production.
A move that some, myself included, believes is to prevent the competition from investing in new capacity. All investing is dependent upon profit and those profit potentials fall with the sell price.
So it is time for more predictions.
Supply chain disruption lays havoc on an economy, we have a big one. Many of the industries we are trying to prop up are dependent upon imports. Prices are going up, standard of living will be going down.
With more than $11T gone from the stock market and 401k hit brutally, consumer confidence will continue to fall. People will buy less expecting hard times or struggling with paying for essentials. In doing so, they make things worse.
Companies hit by the supply chain disruptions and fallen stock prices have three choices: raise prices, lower margins (and returns to investors) OR reduce investment, reduce production and lay off workers. We are already seeing companies revise forecasts lower, expecting to sell less and earn less.
The DOGE cuts are putting people out of work and companies out of business. Big companies are doing the same thing in response to the economy.
The vast uncertainty over who will lose a job, contract or client has many preparing to weather a recession, making things worse.
I know this because I am a business consultant and hear the chatter from a lot of big companies.
Best case - we work out tariffs in our favor within a few weeks. But....
We still have to deal with this huge block of new taxes (Tariffs), rising unemployment and wages falling farther behind inflation.
What can the government do to fight this? Stimulus, give us back some of the money we pay them or collect in Tariffs.
Does this lead to some utopian economic renaissance? Maybe after we weather the storm. Once we get used to the new cost of goods and companies decide to invest, and have time to build the infrastructure and hire again.
But for the upcoming years, it will not be.
None of this speaks to politics, did something needed to be done- yes, was this the best approach?. Just what I predict happens now based upon what has happened so far.
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Fed stimulus is the same dumb shit that everyone points to. The best analogy is someone being super productive by drinking energy drinks and coffee. Yes, it will look like it’s working for a while but at some point you’re going to crash. And the longer you “stimulate” the harder the crash is going to be
The real answer, if making any real change is the actual goal(I’m not so sure it is), is to STOP FUCKING SPENDING/TAKING ON DEBT. The fed gov has to relinquish some power, stop spending, cut taxes, and/or get rid of the regulatory maze that is suffocating businesses.
A fundamental false assumption is that these tariffs are permanent.
They are a tool to get the EU to move to fair trade and grow out the American manufacturing job base, incentivizing companies to establish long-term manufacturing in the US, rather than avoiding employing American workers.
Think more long-term and less short-term/sky is falling.
Europe needs us a lot more than we need them, and their stupid female figureheads are being forced to go through the process of learning that harsh reality. That’s all.
These are politicians who truly believe the retarded ideologies they learned in university in their political science classes.
They’ve never dealt with an assertive businessman before who holds more power than them. Businessmen in Europe have to bow and acquiesce to the EU and home regulations like a curtsying peasant before the Queen.
Culturally, the EU chics are used to being treated like royalty.
Trump is actually taking it easy on them. He could be really mean-spirited and rub their noses in their own excrement, but he’s just rattling their cages a bit.
You can tell who hasn’t studied his life and business experience though. He’s been saying the same things since the early 1980s at the latest. Most Americans even don’t put 2 & 2 together that he’s from Queens. They aren’t familiar with how cutthroat it is there, and how Trump was forged.
They are a tool to get the EU to move to fair trade and grow out the American manufacturing job base, incentivizing companies to establish long-term manufacturing in the US, rather than avoiding employing American workers.
Think more long-term and less short-term/sky is falling.
Europe needs us a lot more than we need them, and their stupid female figureheads are being forced to go through the process of learning that harsh reality. That’s all.
These are politicians who truly believe the retarded ideologies they learned in university in their political science classes.
They’ve never dealt with an assertive businessman before who holds more power than them. Businessmen in Europe have to bow and acquiesce to the EU and home regulations like a curtsying peasant before the Queen.
Culturally, the EU chics are used to being treated like royalty.
Trump is actually taking it easy on them. He could be really mean-spirited and rub their noses in their own excrement, but he’s just rattling their cages a bit.
You can tell who hasn’t studied his life and business experience though. He’s been saying the same things since the early 1980s at the latest. Most Americans even don’t put 2 & 2 together that he’s from Queens. They aren’t familiar with how cutthroat it is there, and how Trump was forged.
Agreed! China also needs us more than we need them.A fundamental false assumption is that these tariffs are permanent.
They are a tool to get the EU to move to fair trade and grow out the American manufacturing job base, incentivizing companies to establish long-term manufacturing in the US, rather than avoiding employing American workers.
Think more long-term and less short-term/sky is falling.
Europe needs us a lot more than we need them, and their stupid female figureheads are being forced to go through the process of learning that harsh reality. That’s all.
These are politicians who truly believe the retarded ideologies they learned in university in their political science classes.
They’ve never dealt with an assertive businessman before who holds more power than them. Businessmen in Europe have to bow and acquiesce to the EU and home regulations like a curtsying peasant before the Queen.
Culturally, the EU chics are used to being treated like royalty.
Trump is actually taking it easy on them. He could be really mean-spirited and rub their noses in their own excrement, but he’s just rattling their cages a bit.
You can tell who hasn’t studied his life and business experience though. He’s been saying the same things since the early 1980s at the latest. Most Americans even don’t put 2 & 2 together that he’s from Queens. They aren’t familiar with how cutthroat it is there, and how Trump was forged.
You calling Trump a liar?
"They can both be true," Trump responded. "There can be permanent tariffs and there can also be negotiations because there are things that we need beyond tariffs."
I have no doubt that the current Tariffs will not last, they are to force negotiations. At the end the Terrif may end up lower or we may get other concessions like a lowering of their Tariffs on us, stoping IP infringement, buying more from us, etc.
The current rates are mutually assured destruction for everyone. There has to be compromise.
The current rates are mutually assured destruction for everyone. There has to be compromise.
China exported about 480 billion in goods to the US last year. We exported around 140 billion to them.
They stand to lose a lot more than we do.
Also, those that want to negotiate, will get to negotiate, from the looks of it.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna200463
Those whom wanted to react, will keep getting beaten until moral improves.
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I am quite sure its a negotiating tactic , question is will it kill small business in the process, smaller businesses will not be able to ride it out for long. Was it designed as such so that Black Rock and co sweep up businesses and further consolidate the already overconsolidated industries?
Problem with tactics, outright lies are being spread in regards to 'unfair' trade practices , with that is that there is not much Unfair trade between US and EU tarrifs are practically non-existent in 1-3 percent range, Imaginary trump tarrifs on US goods do not exists they are trade deficit numbers.
There are special cases with huge tarrifs ,Like US tarrifs on EU light trucks, or EU tarrifs on US poultry both from 1960's . But its beyond even wishful thinking US cars other than Tesla selling in EU or Japan or many other countries, if there is no tariffs on them , products specifically designed for US market and unsellable outside US , tariff protections and cheap gas made US automakers domestic vs global players. Cars too big and too expensive to run when not combined with US gasoline prices
Farm produce with extensive use of GMOs can't be used for human consumption in EU , US farm produce is mostly GMO ,can only be used for some animal feed. Well animal feed hardly commands premium cost.
Chlorine-washed poultry on growth hormones and antibiotics , similar in beef , is again outright illegal for Human consumption in EU , there is not tariff that prevents sales. Its just product not up to specs. Unlike what Fox says much of US meat is usable only as fertiliser in EU , not even close to meeting standards required for Human consumption. ..... This is actualy what RFK ran on pushing US food industry to enact standards to levels at least somewhat safe for human consumption much closer to EU standards than what is legal in US right now.
So even as a negotiating tactic EU can't buy much else than Gas from US , no wonder all tarrifs except China are on Pause as there is not much substance behind much of the 'unfair trade' claims
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I think 480 billion is likely quite low; When you add in currency manipulation and shipping goods through other countries as a proxy.
I am by no means an expert on this just quickly looked up the numbers and actually typed the wrong number, 582Billion according to a quick google search.
I would not know how to calculate what you mentioned.
Yeah part of the problem is that its so complex. Trump said 1T...probably exaggerated some....some.
Many of the free trade agreements took years to negotiate because they are so complex. Tariffs focus on where something is shipped from, rarely where made because a finished product could have parts from dozens of places.
Let's say China can't sell widgets in the US due to high tariffs, they may be able to sell 90% of what a manufacturer in a different country needs to make the widget or build a factory in that country. What if they build the factory in the US, we may get the jobs, but the profits go overseas.
Another big challenge is that there are some benefits to the trade deficit. By definition it is caused when we can buy stuff for less than we can make it for ourselves. That represents a better standard of living because our costs are lower, our income goes further.
Let's say China can't sell widgets in the US due to high tariffs, they may be able to sell 90% of what a manufacturer in a different country needs to make the widget or build a factory in that country. What if they build the factory in the US, we may get the jobs, but the profits go overseas.
Another big challenge is that there are some benefits to the trade deficit. By definition it is caused when we can buy stuff for less than we can make it for ourselves. That represents a better standard of living because our costs are lower, our income goes further.
Many companies would cease to exist if moved back to US. Who is going to pay $3500 for a current version IPhone?
There are countless examples> Trump insisting that Apple can manufacture them here is beyond ludicrous.
Other countries can just magically spin up factories in a different country, while the us will take years to build a factory for a comparable widget. And the us cannot source the dozens of parts from others who trade more equitably...? It sounds so simple. Lol... If this arguement goes one way, its got to go the other way as well.
I am noticing a pattern of bizzaro-world behavior, where reality ends up being nearly the opposite or some revision there of.... Would be different if it were ever, "well shit man, I got that one wrong"...lmao.
Trump is a nyc democrat, he doesnt want a trade war but hes also not bluffing.. Short term effects are all based on sentiment/speculation and emotion/feelings with a splash of manipulatuon. Any real needle moving will be measured in months, years, decades...
I also do not know who the "our" are,...when talking about "standard of living". I have no complaints; but im not delusional about where a lot of "middle class" find themselves today. Not even to mention the prospects for american youth, who can't afford or do not want to pursue a college education but exhibit good work ethic.
I am noticing a pattern of bizzaro-world behavior, where reality ends up being nearly the opposite or some revision there of.... Would be different if it were ever, "well shit man, I got that one wrong"...lmao.
Trump is a nyc democrat, he doesnt want a trade war but hes also not bluffing.. Short term effects are all based on sentiment/speculation and emotion/feelings with a splash of manipulatuon. Any real needle moving will be measured in months, years, decades...
I also do not know who the "our" are,...when talking about "standard of living". I have no complaints; but im not delusional about where a lot of "middle class" find themselves today. Not even to mention the prospects for american youth, who can't afford or do not want to pursue a college education but exhibit good work ethic.
Let me know what you think about my theory in the post below.
Trump is back…the “Now What” thread
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That is the point, they can't do it economically. Average pay in China is about $1000 a month for a worker, little government regulation, no OSHA compliance, no unions or lawsuits.
"In the developing countries where China is playing nice (for the moment) they will have to demand some sort of compensation for building up the infrastructures of those countries. They will tell them, "We gave you all this stuff for free and now it's time to help us."Let me know what you think about my theory in the post below.
Trump is back…the “Now What” thread
Excellent analysis IMO.
I wish the United States had more tentacles in Africa and emerging countries like China does; there will be more squeezing to be done there as well, because, as previously stated, China will undoubtedly go to developing countries to soften their terrible times.
China is one of the worlds largest lenders. They go into countries like Shri Lanka and build a port, dam, power plant, etc. putting the country in debt to them. Shri Lanka ended up giving Chinese merchants 70% control of the port for more loans to build more infrastructure. They already have huge influence through loans, and their merchants then build the businesses they rely upon for jobs and growth.
Much of the manufacturing in places like Vietnam were built by and are owned by Chinese merchants.
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Trump is really on the attack with China in this trade war. Could just be his ego because they are standing up to him, but ...
I'm starting to wonder if his intentions with China are not to balance trade, but a kind of economic warfare. Will be interesting to see if he is willing to negotiate with them at all.
Russia is a weak shadow of its former self, so China I our only real rival. The Russian bots and influencers on here will love that statement. ; )
I'm starting to wonder if his intentions with China are not to balance trade, but a kind of economic warfare. Will be interesting to see if he is willing to negotiate with them at all.
Russia is a weak shadow of its former self, so China I our only real rival. The Russian bots and influencers on here will love that statement. ; )
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Let me know what you think about my theory in the post below.
Trump is back…the “Now What” thread
A lot of that makes sense, but I think you are thinking of China based upon geographic borders and not global influence. I don't think the people on top care about their people beyond how they can exploit them or if they become a problem. They now have people around the world, manufacturing around the world and profits from around the world.
Russia lost on economics, not militarialy.
China is the collection of its influence on other countries through loans, trade dependencies and it's global companies. Of the 500 largest companies in the world, the US has 139, China has 133 and Japan is third at 50.
Good points but isn't China in the same spot the US and Japan are in?
In order for those companies to survive, they need people (around the globe) to purchase their products or services.
It's hard to sell those products or services when they are being prohibitively taxed with tariffs. When Trump's plan, hopefully, plays out and US companies can sell their goods and services without prohibitively high tariffs they will profit even more.
The Chinese based companies will have a harder time competing around the globe. I will concede that under Trump's plan, those Chinese companies will not be able to compete here as long as high tariffs are in place.
They won't suffer high tariffs in other countries, at least, in the short term. The CCP will need to make up that shortfall from the US market. Which means that China, will have to increase tariffs on goods and services from other countries.
Those other countries won't like paying higher tariffs in China and will respond in kind. That goes back to what I was saying earlier. Won't China find itself alone and fighting a trade war by itself?
The only other problem, which I didn't consider earlier is Chinese ownership of US debt.
Which countries own the most US debt? | USAFacts
As of April 2024, foreign countries own approximately $7.9 trillion in Treasury securities — or 22.9% of total US debt.
usafacts.org
I'm not sure how much of the revenue increase from tariffs would go to the national debt. Needless to say, it wouldn't be enough increase to make a big dent in it but every little bit helps.
So would I be going out on a limb by saying that in some way these tariffs would be a way for countries like China to help pay off the national debt rather than us paying for all of it? I don't know the answer to that question.
Don't get what you mean with this one? US Tariffs won't affect China selling anywhere else in the world at the same (or less) than they already do? It's not the Chinese paying the tariffs to the US.
Good points but isn't China in the same spot the US and Japan are in?
In order for those companies to survive, they need people (around the globe) to purchase their products or services.
It's hard to sell those products or services when they are being prohibitively taxed with tariffs. When Trump's plan, hopefully, plays out and US companies can sell their goods and services without prohibitively high tariffs they will profit even more.
The Chinese based companies will have a harder time competing around the globe. I will concede that under Trump's plan, those Chinese companies will not be able to compete here as long as high tariffs are in place.
They won't suffer high tariffs in other countries, at least, in the short term. The CCP will need to make up that shortfall from the US market. Which means that China, will have to increase tariffs on goods and services from other countries.
Those other countries won't like paying higher tariffs in China and will respond in kind. That goes back to what I was saying earlier. Won't China find itself alone and fighting a trade war by itself?
The only other problem, which I didn't consider earlier is Chinese ownership of US debt.
Which countries own the most US debt? | USAFacts
As of April 2024, foreign countries own approximately $7.9 trillion in Treasury securities — or 22.9% of total US debt.
I'm not sure how much of the revenue increase from tariffs would go to the national debt. Needless to say, it wouldn't be enough increase to make a big dent in it but every little bit helps.
So would I be going out on a limb by saying that in some way these tariffs would be a way for countries like China to help pay off the national debt rather than us paying for all of it? I don't know the answer to that question.
First, unless every penny collected for tariffs makes it back to us as a stimulus or reduced tax burden, we are screwed. We pay the tariffs.
Second, I think the core imbalance is labor costs, regulations, taxes, lawsuits, etc. The US makes it more expensive to make things here.
Let's say with tariffs we make it so we can make stuff for the same price as overseas with tariffs added. Really sucks for the American consumer, but let's go there.
We are part of a global market place. Nike needs to sell shoes around the world, will they have one plant in the USA for us and produce everything for the rest of the world to be competitive in China, Vietnam and India? Answer is Nike already said they will not move manufacturing to the US, they would rather let market share here fall than invest.
So what if we turn our trade deficit around, because we dramatically reduce how much we import? Then our economy has to grow in isolation, while consumers have less buying power, will US companies competing for global investors choose to invest in our retracting economy or move investment overseas? Some people are moving investing away from the US as they are safer right now. Warren Buffett is investing in Japan, he owns stock in BYD, not Tesla. He does right by his investors, I'm one of them. He is not going to do charity buys, because of out of work miners and steel workers.
US companies are in the same boat as Nike, except for a few industries with an almost exclusive US market. They have to earn or watch their investors flee. They pick the fiscal path, not the moral one.
I have heard of very few viable business plans to move production here, and if we end up with higher Tariffs against us, some production in the US may have to move abroad if that is where they sell the most product.
First of all Ives is a commie pawn. Of course he’s saying this shit to try to get people riled up.
Second, it wouldn’t cost $3500 to produce iPhones in the US. That’s horse shit.
Third, maybe fuck heads don’t need a new iPhone every time a new one comes out. Maybe if shit costs more people will think twice about their purchases and stop buying disposable shit that creates waste that just ends up in land fills and our waters.
People are still buying ammo and loading components that skyrocketed during Covid and prices have remained. People will still buy new iPhones and all the other dumb shit they think they need too.
I’d much rather pay more for something because we’re trying to balance unfair trade than prices of stuff going up just for the sake of companies using an excuse to drive them up for nothing more than corporate greed. If some of these greedy corporations take a hit along the way then it only makes it better.
All the assholes flipping out that their cheap Chinesium shit just got a whole lot more expensive puts a big ass smile on my face.
Agreed, although some places like the UK is worried they could become a dumping ground for product they can't sell in the US. To some extent I think others will block China as well.
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Really? You know what his motivation for his statement was? Couldn't be he made the statement in response to an interview question?
And where are the dissenting financial analyst statements? Have seen zero. Other than yours, of course. I look forward to seeing your analysis.
White House insists iPhones will be US-made – but Apple calls it a non-starter
Experts doubt Trump line that tariffs and company’s $500bn investment will shift manufacturing from Asia
www.theguardian.com
Even Tim Cook (Or as Donny calls him, "Tim Apple"
), Apple CEO says it can't be done. But you, SGOTI, claim everyone else is wrong...a commie in fact.Nobody said that. Ever. So it seems your statement is based on not knowing what was even said. The claim was the item would cost buyers $3500, not that much to build
Seems we need people like you telling everyone else how to run their lives and we would all be better off. I think you might feel more at home living in China yourself. That is how things work over there. Bon voyage
Really? You know what his motivation for his statement was? Couldn't be he made the statement in response to an interview question?
And where are the dissenting financial analyst statements? Have seen zero. Other than yours, of course. I look forward to seeing your analysis.
White House insists iPhones will be US-made – but Apple calls it a non-starter
Experts doubt Trump line that tariffs and company’s $500bn investment will shift manufacturing from Asia
Even Tim Cook (Or as Donny calls him, "Tim Apple"
Nobody said that. Ever. So it seems your statement is based on not knowing what was even said. The claim was the item would cost buyers $3500, not that much to build
Seems we need people like you telling everyone else how to run their lives and we would all be better off. I think you might feel more at home living in China yourself. That is how things work over there. Bon voyage
You’re just another retard that feels entitled to cheap Chinese shit. Keep reading your commie news network and cnbc propaganda and don’t forget to take your blood pressure meds.
Just out of curiosity, is your condition TDS, EDS or a little bit of both?
What you don't know would fill volumes. I feel "entitled to" nothing, I don't even own an IPhone. And by all means don't bother supporting your mindless ramblings.
Please.
Give them something to do other than open up another call center.
See Pizza MFER
Seems you are doing your best to support the 'ol CCP. Keep up the good work!
Yet you go searching my post history to try to have some sort of legitimate argument…
Thanks for the free rent in your head commie.
Plus Trump just put sanctions on around 45% of ships carrying oil from Iran to China, strangling their supply. While cutting off one of Irans main source of Income.
Argument? It supports nothing at all in any statement I have made. At all. You really CAN'T read, can you? Who is typing this silliness for you?
Typical.
I merely illustrated your blatant hypocrisy. And instead of supporting ANYTHING you have said, you reply with childish insults. I think I know who is typing for you, you really should not let children read this forum.
Yup. The main importer/supplier is based in MO, and they said that SK .22LR ammo has been in short supply for awhile, even when Biden was in office. hen it does come up for sale, it gets sold almost immediately.
“Cheap Chinese shit”, or cheaper consumer goods, as they’re called in the real world is the exact reason everyone’s standard of living improves. Just because you don’t need to rely on cheaper goods/services to survive doesn’t mean everyone else can
Mentioned was manufactured as they destroyed blue collar job markets that financed the middle class for decades.
Getting cheaper goods may not equal better standards of living.
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The loss of those manufacturing jobs long term hurts the country, as its is knowledge lost. Knowing how to build things, not just buy cheap crap means something generationally in the ability of the country to continue to innovate in the future.
They know this.
And its not just cheap crap, its big time industry like CAT etc.
They know this.
And its not just cheap crap, its big time industry like CAT etc.
Because it's cheaper. But not really unless the ban on China antimony shipment to the US last year is not real. There is supposed to be something in the works right now to revitalize the mine in Idaho that supplied the US during WWII.
China export ban deals blow to US economy
The cutoff of gallium and germanium could send America's GDP plummeting by $3.4 billion; antimony a top concern for the Pentagon. In a move that could deal a multibillion-dollar blow to the American economy and impact the nation's military readiness, China has completely banned the exports of...
www.metaltechnews.com
Before WWII the US was pretty much entirely dependent on China for antimony. During WWII the supply got cut. As a result the source shifted and around 90% of US antimony needs were filled by a mine in Idaho. Because it was necessary.
I really don't mind all that much consuming the natural resources of other countries and reserving our own as long as it doesn't go so far as we lose the capability to produce them and get our collective dicks caught in zippers trying to catch up.
China's share of the global antimony market has dropped by 30% or more in recent years.
The way things actually work can rarely be summed up as simply as "we get this from here, we get that from there" and it certainly isn't the only option or the end of the story.
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