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The "New" Barrett MRAD Thread!!!!!!
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I hope you got a hell of a deal, EuroOptic has them on sale and in stock, you could be shooting Monday.
http://www.eurooptic.com/barrett-sa...il&utm_term=0_dde3ccfa21-4c9e0fc78e-158556329
Ian, did he mention that he had the bolt open and fully to the rear with the upper and lower reciever pivioted apart? Is this a person who can generally take mechanical things apart and put them back together without issue?
Is he following tha manual step by step, or is he just winging it.
Is he following tha manual step by step, or is he just winging it.
Not sure, this was a back and forth on eBay through message on my posting of my 22" 308. He said, he had a heavy 24" 308 and was going to sell and replace it with the 338 carbon he had. If the MRAD isn't simple enough for him to work on I don't know what rifle would be? It was his wifes rifle by the way! It could have been BS, but he said they shot long range 1&2 in Raton,NM with the Barrett and crew and fell in love with the rifle a couple years back.
Since I said I would, I took a quick action photo while out doing load development today. Nothing too crazy, just the MRAD with the Magnetospeed on it. I'll put some more up later with everything on it 
Did some 308 today and was trying out a 2000MR / 175SMK combo to see if there was something there, before changing up to the 185 Juggernaut. The bad news is, the Juggernaut has a lot to live up to because the 175 in this gun is insane so far. I'd love to get the 185 going as I love more energy on target, but we shall see.
After centering the gun at 100 and managing to put 5 rounds into 3 holes, I put it out to 200 and started shooting 5 shot groups for each charge increment I had with me. Posted max for 2000MR is 47.7 grains so I stopped short at 47.4 since it was already in the 90s and just wanted to see how temp sensitive it is. At 47.4 I didn't notice any hint of anything and I'm willing to bet I could go over max (if I wanted) with this even in the 110+ degree weather I'm about to start getting there. With the results I had, I'm going to keep going to see if I can get the same results with higher velocity.
4, 5 shot groups @ 200 yards, in a row. No cherry pick, same board/backer, all 20 rounds shot <.75 groups. Only thing I did was check temps, load ammo, reset the Magnetospeed and shoot 5 rounds. Wait a few mins and rinse/repeat.
Load I'm running right now for the 175 is:
175g SMK
.001 on the bushing in a Redding die
2000MR (started at 46.8 currently ended at 47.4)
Tula 7.62 primer
WInchester case
2.805 COAL
Did some 308 today and was trying out a 2000MR / 175SMK combo to see if there was something there, before changing up to the 185 Juggernaut. The bad news is, the Juggernaut has a lot to live up to because the 175 in this gun is insane so far. I'd love to get the 185 going as I love more energy on target, but we shall see.
After centering the gun at 100 and managing to put 5 rounds into 3 holes, I put it out to 200 and started shooting 5 shot groups for each charge increment I had with me. Posted max for 2000MR is 47.7 grains so I stopped short at 47.4 since it was already in the 90s and just wanted to see how temp sensitive it is. At 47.4 I didn't notice any hint of anything and I'm willing to bet I could go over max (if I wanted) with this even in the 110+ degree weather I'm about to start getting there. With the results I had, I'm going to keep going to see if I can get the same results with higher velocity.
4, 5 shot groups @ 200 yards, in a row. No cherry pick, same board/backer, all 20 rounds shot <.75 groups. Only thing I did was check temps, load ammo, reset the Magnetospeed and shoot 5 rounds. Wait a few mins and rinse/repeat.
Load I'm running right now for the 175 is:
175g SMK
.001 on the bushing in a Redding die
2000MR (started at 46.8 currently ended at 47.4)
Tula 7.62 primer
WInchester case
2.805 COAL
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I took the 338 carbon out and broke her in with 19 rounds. I started at 25y, fired one bullet and a bulls eye. I looked at my turret and it was up 7 and left 2 moa. I hadn't reset since i was out shooting my 308. Whoops!!!.... Three or four shot at 25, then out to 100y for the rest of the shots. I shot ten shoots cleaned in-between each shot. I shoot 6 more cleaned every other shoot, the final 3 and cleaned it and called it a day since some weather was moving in and lighting was starting to go south. I had the lab radar out with me the avg, fps was 2757 and the sd was a disappointing 25.3. Wah wha wha! I had a couple two bullets in one hole. So I'm not crying. I only have ten rounds loaded left. Its time to hit the bench and break out the new brass I have and start some load development. The MRAD was pretty mellow on recoil compared to my Savage 338 FCP-HS w/ T3 terminator break. It felt like a really hot 308 with heavies. I'll probably do another 30 or so rounds cleaning every 4th, then 5th shot. These rounds were left over from my Savage. It was 96.6 gn of RL33 with 285 Amax. Lapua brass. 215m primer loaded to the mag length for the savage witch happens to be the same mag length of the MRAD. I'm a little disappointed with magazine length. It is promising for the 300 Norma thou!
Since I said I would, I took a quick action photo while out doing load development today. Nothing too crazy, just the MRAD with the Magnetospeed on it. I'll put some more up later with everything on it
Did some 308 today and was trying out a 2000MR / 175SMK combo to see if there was something there, before changing up to the 185 Juggernaut. The bad news is, the Juggernaut has a lot to live up to because the 175 in this gun is insane so far. I'd love to get the 185 going as I love more energy on target, but we shall see.
After centering the gun at 100 and managing to put 5 rounds into 3 holes, I put it out to 200 and started shooting 5 shot groups for each charge increment I had with me. Posted max for 2000MR is 47.7 grains so I stopped short at 47.4 since it was already in the 90s and just wanted to see how temp sensitive it is. At 47.4 I didn't notice any hint of anything and I'm willing to bet I could go over max (if I wanted) with this even in the 110+ degree weather I'm about to start getting there. With the results I had, I'm going to keep going to see if I can get the same results with higher velocity.
4, 5 shot groups @ 200 yards, in a row. No cherry pick, same board/backer, all 20 rounds shot <.75 groups. Only thing I did was check temps, load ammo, reset the Magnetospeed and shoot 5 rounds. Wait a few mins and rinse/repeat.
Load I'm running right now for the 175 is:
175g SMK
.001 on the bushing in a Redding die
2000MR (started at 46.8 currently ended at 47.4)
Tula 7.62 primer
WInchester case
2.805 COAL
Digging in the dirt! Nice work German. What scope do you have on the MRAD there? Nice shooting Tex!
99% of the time where I shoot, it looks like that or off some sort of cliff wall. That's just a spot that I know isn't too far into the desert where I can get a straight/even shot out to 2-300 if needed. Works great for stuff like this.
Scope is a Leupold Mk4 6.5-20 with H27 reticle, M5 locking turret that has 10 mils per rev, auto locks and zerostop.
Scope is a Leupold Mk4 6.5-20 with H27 reticle, M5 locking turret that has 10 mils per rev, auto locks and zerostop.
So what is the deal there? looks like they are using the old Gen one chassis and rail.. wonder if you have to use the breach conversion on those like the other gen 1 rifles
And it looks like they have dropped the prices on a lot of there MRAD stuff!
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Looks like all their conversion kits got cheaper too.
I guess they finally realized that when you went to Slickguns and looked around, EuroOptic was so noncompetitive on price, I stopped even looking at their site.
Anyone out there own a 26" heavy 338 Lapua barrel? Does anyone own more than one of the different contours of barrels in the same caliber for the MRAD(of course)? Or say 17" 308 & 22" 308 at the same time.
Maybe Barrett dropped the price on stuff to be more compeditive.. or the dealer price anyway ...
Something had to give. Not sure if it was some MAP bullshit or what, but for as long as I've been looking at MRADs and kits, there have been a few 'go to' places where the prices were within 20$ of each other, and then other vendors like EO where it was the exact same price as on the Barrett site. Maybe its not enough volume for them to care. Who knows.
With the cheaper vendors, this wasn't a one time sale or it wasn't some fluke where they were blowing stuff out. Go on Slickguns and look at MRAD guns as well as kits and you'll see that we aern't off by 10$ or something, but by rather large amounts. Dropping that price at least made them somewhat competitive again.
The kits are cheaper now than the price a buddy of mine was quoted from them at the "dealer rate" form Ero optic last summer..
For the hell of it, I made an offer on their other website on a kit. Wanted to see if they somehow became competitive that way. Offered a dollar less than what the kits were selling at multiple other online vendors and after a day, got their reply that they would take something like $40 off their original price LOL. That's when I pretty much stopped looking.
But hey, competition is fantastic. And it's great that the prices are going down across the board. One of the main considerations of getting into an MRAD is how much am I going to pay for all these calibers. So this is good all the way around.
Well Ladies and Germs, I sold the 308 22" 1in 10 twist barrel today on the site. Can anyone pipe up here with a 308 22" carbon barrel? Thoughts, experiences? I think I'm going 260 Rem. until my savage 308 FCP-SR sells locally. Then I'll pony up the big buck for a carbon 22" 308 barrel. Does anyone have a 17" 308, I don't really know why you would unless you shoot a lot of sub-sonics?
where is the best place to buy the barrel kits? I looked on slick guns and did not see much if anything better than ero optic prices..
And dose it seem like the carbon barrels are worth the extra money?
And dose it seem like the carbon barrels are worth the extra money?
That is a very good question. I pulled off a fluted 24" .338 and replaced it with a 24" CF .260 today. As I was doing it I weighed each on a postal scale the CF .260 was 5.04 pounds and the fluted .338 was 6.59 pounds. With the scope and an empty mag and the .260 installed the MRAD weighed just over 17 pounds. So given that this is not a sheep rifle, the weight difference is not really that much. The steel barrels I have shoot pretty good, I havent shot this yet, it would be nice it when I do I can report that is is noticably better than the steel barrels I own, but I don't expect that. Perhaps it will last longer. Then of course there is the cool factor, that's worth something. I would be interested to hear what advantages others who have carbon barrels expect.
I did order a box of the Warner Flat Line 121 gr bullets with the intention of using this barrel to break the mile barrier with a 6.5. That G7 of .318 just make this sound like loads of fun.
The only reason I'm hesitant about 260, 6.5, 300win mag carbon barrels is the short barrel life? I'm thinking about the 308 22" carbon. Its amazing that the 24" .260 is the same weight as the 338 Lapua carbon barrel I just bought. It's also amazing how front muzzle light it is with all the weight in the back @ the barrel extension! They(Barrett) is reporting that the carbon rap leads to a longer barrel life? Is it just marketing mumbo jumbo? Truth?
Where did you buy your Carbon barrel? How much $?
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Grab a gun, Vizards, Tombstone Tactical. Keep an eye out as the different kits seem to come and go pretty quickly.
EuroOptic finally lowering their prices from the bullshit MAP has made it more competitive as they are now at least in the ballpark. Keep looking, time to time you'll find a kit for 1100$ or so on there.
so I think I've peaked in my load development for the mrad in 308.... I can't seem to get better then .6-.7 MOA at 200 yards. I've got multiple loads that do it consistently so I'm wondering if I've hit the limit of my abilities. What sort of groups are others getting consistently with he 308?
Look at my post on the previous page with pictures. All targets at 200 except the 4 hole sight in target during load development. Those are .75s or less at 200, shot in a row, no 'throwaway' targets.
What load data are you using for your.308? At 200yrds those are some good numbers, additionally when your going father outside 100yrds many factors (elements, rifle positioning, DOPE Data) start to play with the consistency of impacts. I am trying to upload some pictures but this stupid iphone says I have exceeded my upload image size...so you guys might have to wait till I figure out how to make it smaller. But long story short, I've been seeing groups from my .308 sub .75 @ 200yrds on average.
43.5 grains of varget
unfired lapua brass
CCI BR2 primers
178 ELD-Match rounds loaded to a 1,190 Ogive (or about .025 off the lands)
It sounds like my .6-.7 MOA is about what others are getting, so maybe I'm not leaving much on the table if I stop here.
unfired lapua brass
CCI BR2 primers
178 ELD-Match rounds loaded to a 1,190 Ogive (or about .025 off the lands)
It sounds like my .6-.7 MOA is about what others are getting, so maybe I'm not leaving much on the table if I stop here.
I'm about to test to see if the firm formed brass increases accuracy in the MRAD. All of mine were prepped virgin Winchester brass. Now that I have it figured where I need to be powder charge wise and that I run constant <10 S/D as well as over 2800fps, I'm going to see if just bumping the shoulder a bit will increase the already crazy accuracy I've gotten.
Will post pics when I get back, but just tested the continuation 5 shot groups at 200 yards of the powder charge workup for 2000MR that I started and posted about on the previous page.
47.4 (charge I ended with last round) .379
47.4 .517
47.6 .805
47.7 (published max) .331
47.7 .554
That in some cases is .25 MOA at 200, out of a factory gun. Regardless, just as last time, this isn't cherrypicked and the #1 thing I love about the MRAD is that its repeatable on demand.
your velocities are crushing mine. I'm at 2620 with an ES of 10 FPS courtesy of my varget. I'm not overly familiar with 2000MR and it's not on my burn charts, is it slower then varget?
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Not sure. 2000MR is kind of newer, so any burn rate chart I've seen doesn't include it.
Here's the data for it I've gotten so far:
Here's the data for it I've gotten so far:
| Powder | Grains | Case | Case Firing | Primer | Bushing | Neck Tension | Shoulder | Setback | COAL | Crimp | Suppressor | Temp | DA | L Velocity | H Velocity | Avg Velocity | Spread | S/D | 5 Shot Accuracy | FPS / Charge | FPS / Temp |
| 2000MR | 46.5 | Winchester | 1 | Tula 7.62 | 0.331 | -0.001 | FL | NA | 2.80X | N | N | 83 | 2638 | 2702 | 2683 | 64 | 25.9 | - | 57.70 | 32.33 | |
| 2000MR | 46.5 | Winchester | 1 | Tula 7.62 | 0.331 | -0.001 | FL | NA | 2.80X | N | N | 87 | 2693 | 2710 | 2699 | 17 | 6.8 | - | 58.04 | 31.02 | |
| 2000MR | 46.8 | Winchester | 1 | Tula 7.62 | 0.331 | -0.001 | FL | NA | 2.80X | N | N | 89 | 2708 | 2736 | 2720 | 28 | 11.2 | - | 58.12 | 30.56 | |
| 2000MR | 46.8 | Winchester | 1 | Tula 7.62 | 0.331 | -0.001 | FL | NA | 2.80X | N | N | 89 | 2727 | 2732 | 2730 | 5 | 2.4 | - | 58.33 | 30.67 | |
| 2000MR | 47.1 | Winchester | 1 | Tula 7.62 | 0.331 | -0.001 | FL | NA | 2.80X | N | N | 84 | 2738 | 2774 | 2754 | 36 | 15.1 | 0.660 | 58.47 | 32.79 | |
| 2000MR | 47.1 | Winchester | 1 | Tula 7.62 | 0.331 | -0.001 | FL | NA | 2.80X | N | N | 86 | 2731 | 2762 | 2742 | 31 | 11.5 | 0.740 | 58.22 | 31.88 | |
| 2000MR | 47.4 | Winchester | 1 | Tula 7.62 | 0.331 | -0.001 | FL | NA | 2.80X | N | N | 90 | 2741 | 2780 | 2760 | 39 | 17.1 | 0.565 | 58.23 | 30.67 | |
| 2000MR | 47.4 | Winchester | 1 | Tula 7.62 | 0.331 | -0.001 | FL | NA | 2.80X | N | N | 86 | 2749 | 2768 | 2761 | 19 | 9.0 | 0.673 | 58.25 | 32.1 | |
| 2000MR | 47.4 | Winchester | 1 | Tula 7.62 | 0.331 | -0.001 | FL | NA | 2.80X | N | N | 99 | 2758 | 2772 | 2765 | 14 | 5.6 | 0.517 | 58.33 | 27.93 | |
| 2000MR | 47.4 | Winchester | 1 | Tula 7.62 | 0.331 | -0.001 | FL | NA | 2.80X | N | N | 95 | 2756 | 2779 | 2767 | 23 | 9.1 | 0.379 | 58.38 | 29.13 | |
| 2000MR | 47.6 | Winchester | 1 | Tula 7.62 | 0.331 | -0.001 | FL | NA | 2.80X | N | N | 96 | 2784 | 2797 | 2791 | 13 | 4.8 | 0.805 | 58.63 | 29.07 | |
| 2000MR | 47.6 | Winchester | 1 | Tula 7.62 | 0.331 | -0.001 | FL | NA | 2.80X | N | N | 95 | 2789 | 2797 | 2794 | 8 | 4.3 | - | 58.70 | 29.41 | |
| 2000MR | 47.7 | Winchester | 1 | Tula 7.62 | 0.331 | -0.001 | FL | NA | 2.80X | N | N | 92 | 2789 | 2812 | 2797 | 23 | 9.5 | 0.554 | 58.64 | 30.4 | |
| 2000MR | 47.7 | Winchester | 1 | Tula 7.62 | 0.331 | -0.001 | FL | NA | 2.80X | N | N | 90 | 2776 | 2797 | 2786 | 21 | 7.5 | 0.331 | 58.41 | 30.96 | |
My MRAD in 6.5CM configuration. Atlas Bipod and monopod pictured, along with Bushnell Elite DMR in Badger rings.
Have since upgraded to the newer generation DMR-IIi and a Spuhr QD mount
Also have .338LM and 308 barrels... and a Thunderbeast Ultra in jail for it. [IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"http:\/\/i996.photobucket.com\/albums\/af85\/performify\/MCRC\/2016-10-09%2017.41.33_zps9ivha2v8.jpg"}[/IMG2]
writeup of my first shooting experience with it on ARFCOM: https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_16_17/...CM--long-.html
My best 5-rd group so far, shot at 300 yards on my first trip out (no scope adjustments moving from 200yd to 300yd):
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Have since upgraded to the newer generation DMR-IIi and a Spuhr QD mount
Also have .338LM and 308 barrels... and a Thunderbeast Ultra in jail for it. [IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"http:\/\/i996.photobucket.com\/albums\/af85\/performify\/MCRC\/2016-10-09%2017.41.33_zps9ivha2v8.jpg"}[/IMG2]
writeup of my first shooting experience with it on ARFCOM: https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_16_17/...CM--long-.html
My best 5-rd group so far, shot at 300 yards on my first trip out (no scope adjustments moving from 200yd to 300yd):
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I hate the way Barret puts the foam in the case with the scope oppisit from the carry handle. It took me a half hour to rip the foam off all the glue they used to attach the foam to the case so I could reinstall it properly.
Does anyone want to talk about there 260 rem or 6.5 creed's. I bought the dies for 260 and about to jump on the land mine. I owned a Ruger RPR in 6.5 last year. I thought I would try something different this time around. The 308 magazine looks like it will lend itself to the longer 147 eld's i'm going to run with some RL17. Thoughts and experiences?
Such impatience gents. The answer is coming. . . ETA less than 24 hours
Well I mean, like, uh...look at your sig...
I have the CF .260 24" just 19 rounds thru it. Cronos 100fps slower than my 26" .260 @ 2709fps with 42.4 grains of 4350 and 140 grain Bergers. That's just a load that I worked up to shoot in my other .260 and if the first 19 rounds are typical of this load I'll have to work up something different, This load is better than MOA but not by a lot. Debating between getting the 130 Bergers and ordering one of the new Horanady ELD-x or m's That's for the future, I'll try a couple of other loads with the Berger 140's first.
The good news is that I have 32 mils left above my hundred yard zero, so when I load the 122r Warner flat lines they should get a real long way out.
Would you guess it's because you lost 2" of barrel and it's still not broken in? Did you do any type of break-in? What kind of round count do you think you will get out of this barrel? I was shooting the 140 hybrid mag length out of my Ruger RPR @2820 fps with a load of 43.1 gn of H4350 24" factory barrel. Why not the 147's with the extra room in the magazine? It has a better G7 coefficient(.351) over the 140 Hybrid .319?
What are you thinking for glass and what caliber(color chasis) did you buy?
I have a spanking new 3-15 NXS that will go on it for now until I find some funds for a 25x or something along those lines. As for the rifle
24 inch 338 LAPUA MAG!! In tungsten grey (only color available) but don't hurt my feelings any.
On a sad note though, I just checked the tracking for the millionth time and now it won't be here until Tuesday. Thanks a lot UPS for taking your sweet ass time.
I have a spanking new 3-15 NXS that will go on it for now until I find some funds for a 25x or something along those lines. As for the rifle
24 inch 338 LAPUA MAG!! In tungsten grey (only color available) but don't hurt my feelings any.
On a sad note though, I just checked the tracking for the millionth time and now it won't be here until Tuesday. Thanks a lot UPS for taking your sweet ass time.
Use the 3-15 first and then see. I have a 6.5-20 on it thinking I may switch over my 5-25 and I don't plan to. With the mirage in the desert here, anything over 16x or so looks like I'm looking through a car wash.
The 24" CF .260 was 5.04 pounds. The 24" .338 I took off to install it was 6.59 pounds. So it is lighter but probably not enough to justify the price difference with that.
I'm from the school that believes that "it's my money so it never hurts to ask for a discount." I bought a scope a rifle and few other things at the same time and got the "don't tell anybody" price from EuroOptic. I have always been happy with the treatment I've recieved from Alex, Kiefer, and Jason. They have gone the extra mile for me many times so I like doing business with them. I don't have any idea the barrel life and after it is broke in I am not sure if I will ever use its full life. To be perfectly honest once I've got it dialed for both regular bulets and the flat lines, I just thought it would be fun to take it along when I have a friend trying to shoot a mile with a .338 wonder stick, then after I ring a few I can tell him "its not the arrow it's the indian."
I have heard that the carbon conducts heat away from the steel better and more uniformly than steel does so it is possible that could account for better barrel life.
What kind of cleaning rod and Bore guide are you using?
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