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The "Official Shortage Thread"......
- Thread starter Hobo Hilton
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Seems all these plastic car fans have forgotten what it's actually like on a track......any track.
Full roll cage
Check
Fire suppression system
Check
Modified fuel and electrical systems
Check
And so on and so on.
Please tell me more about your $10k mods to get you into the 10's at the track or laps running whatever speeds.
Oh, and then mommy can fit into the safety cage to go to the grocery store....
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Full roll cage
Check
Fire suppression system
Check
Modified fuel and electrical systems
Check
And so on and so on.
Please tell me more about your $10k mods to get you into the 10's at the track or laps running whatever speeds.
Oh, and then mommy can fit into the safety cage to go to the grocery store....
Hah
Hahahahahaha
I don't drink coffee, however my wife makes up for me and probably another 30 people. She also feels that every day she must fill the dishwasher with coffee cups. Many times, there's more than 10 cups from her use. I can't break her of that. We have, literally, more than 30 coffee cups in a household of 1 coffee drinker.
I will never put it on a track. I just want to get to 70 MPH faster than all the other cars, and I want a HUD for…reasons.
This will literally be a 455 HP speed limit obeying cruiser.
Nah, she makes an excellent sammich.....
That plus she's been hanging around for almost 38 years.
Oh, she is. I've bought her more diamonds than South Africa can dig up in a day.
But seeing that she's put up with me for all these years, that's the least I can do for her.
I used to own a 69 chevelle.
Look for smaller petit women, something you can sit in your lap and spin.
My wife and I don't even drink coffee, but we have one cabinet that's about 2/3rd full of mugs. The other 1/3rd is some combination of wine glasses and sundae tumblers that also get used just about never.
So, yeah, how else would you like to know that I live in the Midwest?
Sadly for the Boomers, modern pony cars handle anywhere from "pretty good for what it is" (hi-po trims of the Challenger) to "constantly stuck behind the dudes in Boxsters, GT-Rs, and M4s waiting for a point-by" (any number of various Mustang and Camaro models).
It's also possible to polish the old turds. Mark Stielow literally wrote the book on this topic when not working his day job developing modern Camaros for GM. A brief summary of his work:
Mark Stielow Built 12 Camaros So You Don’t Have To
Mark Stielow is still building first-gen Camaros, with the latest in powertrain, brakes, and suspension the OEM and aftermarket have to offer.
Those are all beautiful cars. Five years ago, $250k might buy one of them. No guess what they're going for at the moment.
I can't speak to the durability of the Mustang or Challenger, but the performance trims of the Camaro will take a beating. They will survive several full track days without needing much beyond some fresh brake fluid and a lot of fuel (add a set of tires for those who are ham-fisted or inexperienced). I know that might not mean a lot to those who haven't done anything beyond the occasional autocross, but this combination of speed and durability was difficult to find at literally any price point two decades ago, and can now be had for about $50k.
Yes, my ZL1 has a small rattle coming from somewhere behind the dash. I promise that anyone will quickly forget about it when the vacuum/boost gauge swings over to the positive half.
I posted pics of my custom shop Martin D28.
I seem to recall you couldn't even spell your own name.
I've posted numerous cars and boats that I've either owned or built.
Go find them and then do Google image searches.
Then...
Pull your head out yo ass.
Do you realize that you don't need a cage to run 10s in modern cars?
Ten Flat-NHRA Adjusts Roll Bar Requirements to 10.00 for 200
The NHRA updated its safety requirements to allow 2008 and newer vehicles to run as quick as 10.00 and/or as fast as 135 mph without an NHRA-legal roll bar if the vehicle has unmodified factory safety...
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Sorry that you can't wrap your head around the idea of doing this:
And then running 10s at the strip and then running the kids to school with nothing more than a tire swap. I like spinning wrenches more than cutting checks, but a Mustang GT500 will do this and more straight from the showroom floor with a warranty.
Do you realize that you don't need a cage to run 10s in modern cars?
Ten Flat-NHRA Adjusts Roll Bar Requirements to 10.00 for 200
The NHRA updated its safety requirements to allow 2008 and newer vehicles to run as quick as 10.00 and/or as fast as 135 mph without an NHRA-legal roll bar if the vehicle has unmodified factory safety...
Sorry that you can't wrap your head around the idea of doing this:
And then running 10s at the strip and then running the kids to school with nothing more than a tire swap. I like spinning wrenches more than cutting checks, but a Mustang GT500 will do this and more straight from the showroom floor with a warranty.
Exactly why I'm torn between buying a c5 z06 and a gt500 this summer. A blower swap and a few other mods make the gt500 hard to beat for the money.
Do you realize that you don't need a cage to run 10s in modern cars?
Ten Flat-NHRA Adjusts Roll Bar Requirements to 10.00 for 200
The NHRA updated its safety requirements to allow 2008 and newer vehicles to run as quick as 10.00 and/or as fast as 135 mph without an NHRA-legal roll bar if the vehicle has unmodified factory safety...
Sorry that you can't wrap your head around the idea of doing this:
And then running 10s at the strip and then running the kids to school with nothing more than a tire swap. I like spinning wrenches more than cutting checks, but a Mustang GT500 will do this and more straight from the showroom floor with a warranty.
Nothing against that at all, and I agree, but I would much rather attempt a factory five race truck build myself and tailor it with exactly what I want. I definitely agree that the mustang seems to be the best of the bang for the buck performance crowd and it is hard to justify going completely custom. Something just talks to me about fabricating something myself and taking it start to finish. Been looking at a factory five race truck if we don't burn things down before the year is out. Saw a guy build it for an estimated 42k in late 2020. Pretty sure that has gone up since then, but I keep looking for deals and will have the cash on hand if things turn the other way. I suppose it matters how bad things get for the economy. Too far and I won't be buying toys at all.
Do you realize that you don't need a cage to run 10s in modern cars?
Ten Flat-NHRA Adjusts Roll Bar Requirements to 10.00 for 200
The NHRA updated its safety requirements to allow 2008 and newer vehicles to run as quick as 10.00 and/or as fast as 135 mph without an NHRA-legal roll bar if the vehicle has unmodified factory safety...
Sorry that you can't wrap your head around the idea of doing this:
And then running 10s at the strip and then running the kids to school with nothing more than a tire swap. I like spinning wrenches more than cutting checks, but a Mustang GT500 will do this and more straight from the showroom floor with a warranty.
Seems someone has altered views as to the drag class he is referring to.
Instead of fluff, post the REAL rules for the class you refer to.
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SECTION 11B: FACTORY STOCK SHOWDOWN, DESIGNATIONS (Page 14)
(3/25/2022) (INCLUDED IN 4/5/2022 RELEASE OF ELECTRONIC VERSION
OF THE RULEBOOK FOUND ON NHRARACER.COM)
DESIGNATIONS
Designation: FSS
Reserved for 2008 and newer Chevrolet COPO, Dodge Drag Pak, and
Ford Cobra Jet with the following factory production engine of the same make.
Year of engine optional. Only those engines and/or bodies listed in this section
are eligible for the Constant Aviation NHRA Factory Stock Showdown.
Minimum weight for all pre-2019 Chevrolet COPO and Ford Cobra Jet
combinations 3,450 lbs. except for all Ford Cobra Jet combinations with 2.3L
Eaton superchargers 3,275 lbs.
Minimum weight for the 2015 Drag Pak combination 3,500 lbs.
Minimum weight for all 2019, and 2020 and 2022 Chevrolet COPO, 2021 Drag
Pak and 2019 Ford Cobra Jet combinations 3,575 lbs.
Maximum weight on all combinations 3,600 lbs.
Note: NHRA may make adjustments to (minimum weights, supercharger pulley
ratios, etc.) at any time to control performance and maintain parity within the
category.
Permitted Combinations:
All previously approved Constant Aviation NHRA Factory
Stock Showdown bodies are eligible to be used with the
approved engine combinations listed below. Engine must be
same make as body.
2017-2018 Camaro COPO 350
• 590 HP Supercharged 2.9L Whipple
2019 Camaro COPO 350
• 630 HP Supercharged 2.65L Magnuson
• Upper supercharger pulley size: (3.125) inches
2022 NHRA RULE AMENDMENTS
22
• Supercharger rear jack shaft cog pulley 32 teeth
• Supercharger rear cog pulley 34 teeth
2020 Camaro COPO 350
• 630 HP Supercharged 2.65L Magnuson
• Upper supercharger pulley size: (3.125) inches
• Supercharger rear jack shaft cog pulley 32 teeth
• Supercharger rear cog pulley 34 teeth
2022 Camaro COPO 350
• 630 HP Supercharged 2.65L Magnuson
• Upper supercharger pulley size: (3.125) inches
• Supercharger rear jack shaft cog pulley 32 teeth
• Supercharger rear cog pulley 34 teeth
2015 Challenger Drag Pak 354
• 540 HP Supercharged 2.9L Whipple
• Upper supercharger pulley size: (3.000) inches
2021 Challenger Drag Pak 354
• 630 HP Supercharged 3.0L Whipple
• Upper supercharger pulley size: (3.375) inches
• Lower engine pulley (8.000) inches
2010 Mustang Cobra Jet 330
• 435 HP Supercharged 2.3L Eaton
2012 Mustang Cobra Jet 330
• 450 HP Supercharged 2.3L Eaton
2016 Mustang Cobra Jet 302
• 575 HP Supercharged 2.9L Whipple
2019 Mustang Cobra Jet 327
• 610 HP Supercharged 3.0L Whipple
• Upper supercharger pulley size: (3.625) inches
• Lower engine pulley 6.938 inches
2019 Mustang Cobra Jet 351
• 570 HP Supercharged 2.9L Whipple
• Upper supercharger pulley size: (3.500) inchesA factory 5 project would be a lot of fun to build, my dad and I discussed building one together a few different times. Most people don't have the skills or time to build one though. If you are capable of it, it would be a very rewarding project. I spend between 50 and 60 hours a week turning wrenches and can't bring myself to get into that big of project in my free time. I like the idea of buying something modern and just spending the occasional weekend to do some mods.
All you guys talking about your high HP track cars this and that and im just back here in your mirrors in my Miata waiting for the point by.... Oh that blue flag...that was for you... GTFO of my way.
Maybe some punctuation in your sentence might help. Not understanding what you are trying to say.
HP and money doesnt make up for lack of skill... I have passed many cars that had 2-3x HP as I have, yet, they arent much faster around the track... Most of them wouldnt let me by until they got blue flagged. Their EGO's just cant stand it. In one weekend my buddy and I both were behind the same guy that was driving in his mirrors and was all over the place. The guy ended up making a mistake while doing this and going off track while my buddy was behind him... just because his EGO wouldnt let him let a Miata go by.
At least this is keeping with the spirit of the thread - you have an official shortage of comprehension.
NHRA makes significant enhancements to the Street Legal program
As part of the ongoing effort to keep pace with current trends in the high-performance automotive industry, NHRA has announced several enhancements to the Street Legal program. The program will allow a broader and more diverse range of vehicles for the participants and give recognition to their...
This has fuck-all to do with the Factory Stock class (which are neither factory nor stock, but they are pretty damn cool), and instead pertains to normal modern street cars. It reflects the intrinsic safety of modern vehicle structures, which in many cases will be far superior to the 6-point roll bars allowed in older cars running slower than 9.99.
But please, throw some more dust in the air in an attempt to distract from the invalidity of your original claim (and pretty much every other one afterwards).
'Call a Doctor or Pediatrician' - Psaki When Asked What Parents Should Do if They Can't Find Baby Formula (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila
White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki on Thursday was grilled on the baby formula shortage created by the Biden Regime.
www.thegatewaypundit.com
Just go look for any army private and you will have enough spare parts for days
Doc
Because it's fitting of you.....
Just kidding....please don't ban me....again ....
Doc
You do that. Hopefully we can share a laugh together.
I'm a welder working in the petro/chemical industry. Currently working in the one of the bigger Phillips 66 refineries in the US.
Yesterday morning I was talking with some of the plant folks about the cost of fuel, shortages and the impact that it is and will continue to have on our economy.
This individual shared with me that they are shutting down some other processes to gain more capacity to refine more diesel because there is in fact a shortage. As to how bad it will get, who knows. Personally I'm going to top of all my diesel powered vehicles/equipment and that L tank in the back of my truck. If nothing else it'll save me some money in the long run because it isn't getting any cheaper.
Read on epoch time a little while ago that the Biden administration is talking about passing legislation to put a price cap on oil companies.
"Consumer fuel price gouging prevention act"
It's like atlas shrugged is playing out before us.
Being that refineries are in the discussion... I will continue:
I too spent many years welding (steamfitter) in the refineries and chemical plants. My opinion is probably a bit tainted, both good and bad.
New technology is available to build refineries with very low emissions. Of course, it's going to cost a little bit more. Some of those profits the companies are making will have to be rolled back into building new, state of the art plants. Let's face it, taking crude and producing a product is no longer rocket science.
As XP1K has said, we are living out Atlas Shrugged.
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I too spent many years welding (steamfitter) in the refineries and chemical plants. My opinion is probably a bit tainted, both good and bad.
New technology is available to build refineries with very low emissions. Of course, it's going to cost a little bit more. Some of those profits the companies are making will have to be rolled back into building new, state of the art plants. Let's face it, taking crude and producing a product is no longer rocket science.
As XP1K has said, we are living out Atlas Shrugged.
Louisiana refineries measured excessively high levels of cancer-causing chemical in 2021
Four Louisiana refineries are among a dozen nationwide that last year released the cancer-causing chemical benzene at levels higher than federal limits, according to a new report from a national
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I'll put this in the shortage thread since some of it is food production related. There are some other interesting connections that overlap. Perhaps some of you in the farming community are familiar with the operation.
en.wikipedia.org
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Stefan Soloviev - Wikipedia
About — Kanagri
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I'm trying to get a deer fence put up around my garden. Got the holes augered and put up the post I had on hand. Went to my local Farm and Ranch supply store to get some more wood fence post. They were out of fence post and no idea when they would get more. They had one bundle on the side that a fence contractor had ordered a month ago and it was finally delivered today.
Not really a shortage but talk about inflated prices. I went into Lowes to look at windows and I always walk past the lumber area. 2x4x8 are now $8.13. Home Depot is only $6.95, but they look like wet spaghetti noodles.
Wallstreet Breakfast article this morning: The last two years have shown the downsides of globalization as the COVID pandemic and geopolitical threats upended the supply chain. On the other hand, there are also risks associated with protectionism, like in the case of U.S. baby formula, of which 98% is produced domestically by a trio of companies: Abbott (ABT), Gerber (OTCPK:NSRGY) and Mead Johnson (OTCPK:RBGLY). Import duties and restrictions have eliminated competition from Canada and Europe, while nearly two-thirds of all formula is purchased through federally-funded WIC, which only does business with these three domestic manufacturers.
But, but, but.. "Save the Children" ! ! !
The biggest shortage here in America is Tough Love.
50% of Americans are depending on the Government to feed them, house them, educate them, give free medical care, keep a roof over their heads, transport them and a long list of other freebees.
For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat." We hear that some among you are idle. They are not busy; they are busybodies. Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the bread they eat.
... a frightening rate......
The ties that hold the world economy together and have shipped commodities in abundance around the world are unraveling at a frightening rate.
pechip.com
The ties that hold the world economy together and have shipped commodities in abundance around the world are unraveling at a frightening rate.
Global Economy: The Age of Scarcity begins with a $1.6 trillion damage to the global economy - PeChip
But what if that's just a first hit? War and plague will not last forever. But the underlying problem - a world increasingly divided along geopolitical fault
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The auto industry is still in turmoil, and I don't understand it with gasoline approaching $6 a gallon. Last time visiting this thread, I was shopping for a Toyota 4Runner. No new models to be had. Found a 2021 with 19K miles, with the exact color and configuration I'm wanting. Unfortunately, they want the same price for a used one as they do a new one. I try to reason with them and say why should I pay a new car price for a used model, but they won't budge on price, nor as I'm discovering that no dealers will budge on price, whether new or used. Probably a good thing as the 4Runner is a heavy pig, and is equal in performance. So I went back to shopping for a used Tundra, and that market is no different. I found one I wanted up in Billings Montana, exact model and color, etc. I said I'd take it pending pictures of the inside of the bed, and waited, and waited for pictures. I inquire a couple hours later about pictures, and still no pictures. Next morning sales lady texted me saying, sorry it's sold. WTF??? I said I'd take it pending a simple picture.
Yesterday, I found another Tundra, luckily it's in Denver about 4.5 hours away. It took me most of today trying to secure the deal at asking price. I placed a deposit on it with my VISA, and will send them a signed contract tomorrow, with a promise I will be picking it up no later than Tuesday.
2021 TRD Off Road with only 13K miles.
Yesterday, I found another Tundra, luckily it's in Denver about 4.5 hours away. It took me most of today trying to secure the deal at asking price. I placed a deposit on it with my VISA, and will send them a signed contract tomorrow, with a promise I will be picking it up no later than Tuesday.
2021 TRD Off Road with only 13K miles.
I’m going through the same looking for a Camaro. I am looking for new though. However, I have found several willing to come down on price. Going to look at one today that the dealer came down a decent amount on, but will probably still wait.
The frustrating part is even if you order you can’t get exactly what you want. The packages are retarded. If I want a heads up display, then I have to get the package with racing brakes and shit. Don’t want retarded ass racing brakes.
They want to charge $499 for “floor liners”, but only take $50 off for not having heated and cooled seats.
Dumb. Torn between FOMO and waiting.
Why not wait? Demand should be coming down and hopefully the prices will follow. The big retail stores had a bad earning report and said it was due in part to big ticket items stacking up in the warehouses rather than moving out the door. That seems to be an early indicator of a big slowdown. It seemed like that was a common sign among all of the big ones - target, wal-mart, costco, kohl's, and a couple more. I think down 10% was the lightest I heard on profit. The housing market is slowing down. I think I heard 15% reduction in home sales. I don't think I have heard a single piece of news stating a sector was tearing it up unless you consider politicians a sector.
Cars are weird right now. They can’t make enough to meet a lowered demand, lol. Plus, I’m afraid they may cut the big V8’s from the line up in the next couple years.
Any V8 equipped vehicle should be losing value on a daily basis with gas prices going up 1/10 of a dollar almost every day. I read an article a few days ago and they reported the 5 top priced used cars in the market today. All 5 were more than 10% over the price of the same vehicle if bought new. The top car was somewhere north of 12%
Can you believe a used car costing more than a new one and someone buying it used??? The world is indeed a strange place.
Can you believe a used car costing more than a new one and someone buying it used??? The world is indeed a strange place.
It is not just vehicles... Look at weapons, Gold Eagles, Tires, Meat, riding lawn mowers, "T" post....
American's are spending money they either don't have or did not work for.
The US Government is spending money it does not have.
Why is our tax money going to "feed the children" ? All the way back to The Garden of Eden, a parent was responsible for feeding it's child. simply a "Law of Nature".... When a country that was once a world leader begins to ignore the Law's of Nature, it begins it's downfall.
Keep it up with that shitty attitude and I'm sure someday you will fuck around and will find out
