The OFFICIAL 'Wuhan' Coronavirus outbreak information and tracking thread. NARRATIVE CHANGE. "Endemic, just like the cold". Cuomo regrets lockdown.

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My math is a bit more pessimistic. Let's say you get sick and after 2 weeks you draw the lottery: cured or dead.
If I look at today's Italy numbers, 463 dead and 724 recovered. That makes 1187 who participated the lottery.
61% of those got the lucky ticket. 39% not.
The many thousands still sick are only waiting their turn to the lottery. We will see if the numbers change.
That math only includes the folks that actualy needed medical help not the 80+ % that don't .

Germany so far is 1000+ infections and only 2 dead (one 78 and one 89y old )- so far seems to have best odds of any.

In any case stats are a bit sketchy this early on simply not enough quality data over sufficient period of time.
 
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These doofuses are stressing not going to work or school when sick.

We aren't hearing much any more about how this thing spreads silently undetected.

Sniffles or not, unchecked the infection rate has the potential to go ballistic.
 
EU tally so far

*stats are day or two old
EU/EEA and the UKCases Deaths
Italy7375366
France112619
Germany9020
Spain5895
United Kingdom2733
Netherlands2653
Sweden2030
Belgium2000
Norway1690
Austria1020
Greece730
Iceland550
Denmark380
Czech Republic320
Portugal300
Finland300
Ireland210
Slovenia160
Romania150
Croatia120
Poland110
Estonia100
Hungary80
Slovakia50
Luxembourg50
Bulgaria40
Malta30
Latvia30
Lithuania10
Liechtenstein10
Total11577396
 
From a Doctor in Italy...sad....Reality is coming and soon.

Reality

I'm not a Doctor but....
  1. The fact that Pneumonia is so prevalent a result in so many cases so quickly
  2. The fact that the growth in Italy DOES NOT jive with the data from the CDC
  3. The fact that positive cases in Atlanta show no contact with infected individuals
indicate to me that this man made monster is not going away soon. If this thing is transmitted by asymptomatic individuals and is not affected by seasonality, we are soooo fucked. It also appears to me that everyone in the Health industry is lying and to prevent panic.

This Doctor in Italy isn't making this speech to just move his gums.

Our cunt of a Governor in RI called a state of emergency so she can have direct control of the NG. She actually said that.

This is the first real doom and gloom incident that I can remember in a long time
 
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From a Doctor in Italy...sad....Reality is coming and soon.

Reality

I'm not a Doctor but....
  1. The fact that Pneumonia is so prevalent a result in so many cases so quickly
  2. The fact that the growth in Italy DOES NOT jive with the data from the CDC
  3. The fact that positive cases in Atlanta show no contact with infected individuals
indicate to me that this man made monster is not going away soon. If this thing is transmitted by asymptomatic individuals and is not affected by seasonality, we are soooo fucked. It also appears to me that everyone in the Health industry is lying and to prevent panic.

This Doctor in Italy isn't making this speech to just move his gums.

Our cunt of a Governor in RI called a state of emergency so she can have direct control of the NG. She actually said that.

This is the first real doom and gloom incident that I can remember in a long time

Yeah I have a feeling when all said and done this has a good chance of being a real mess.

With leadership from all levels pointing fingers at each other.
 
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CDC data for US is worthless, lack for testing kits and general unpreparednes resulted in US testing far less people than anyone else , so numbers at present only reflect a small sample size due to failure in testing , not real situation on the ground.
 
A little perspective.

When I was a young man at 40, the flu was a 2 day sniffle.

When I was older at 50 I was throwing up with fever but not willing to waste a sick day that could be used for fishing or hunting.

Last year at 60 cought the flue from grandkids . Was bed sick for a couple of days and bad off for a week.

I'm sure a lot of 80 year olds will die.
Always go to work sick. Then when you take a “sic” day for rec your co workers will think oh shit he’s really sick.!
 
It actually is a perfect bio-weapon
  1. Reasonably low mortality rate
  2. Infectious with a high reproductive rate...one person can infect up to 3 others
  3. Good evidence for asymptomatic transmission
What a plan
  1. Start it in a place where human life is worth shit to the Government
  2. Start the spread of the disease by seeding it everywhere before everyone catches on
  3. Count on the MSM to beat the drum loud and create panic
  4. Shutdown production of exports necessary in the US and the EU and claim that it is the virus
  5. Cause economic cataclysm
  6. Bring the medical industry to its knees
  7. Create civil unrest and get rid of the POTUS who has been your avowed enemy
 
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It actually is a perfect bio-weapon
  1. Reasonably low mortality rate
  2. Infectious with a high reproductive rate...one person can infect up to 3 others
  3. Good evidence for asymptomatic transmission
What a plan
  1. Start it in a place where human life is worth shit to the Government
  2. Start the spread of the disease by seeding it everywhere before everyone catches on
  3. Count on the Capitalist MSM to beat the drum loud and create panic
  4. Shutdown production of exports necessary in the US and the EU and claim that it is the virus
  5. Cause economic cataclysm
  6. Bring the medical industry to its knees
  7. Create civil unrest and get rid of the POTUS who has been your avowed enemy

That's thinking with your dipstick Jimmy!
 
It actually is a perfect bio-weapon
  1. Reasonably low mortality rate
  2. Infectious with a high reproductive rate...one person can infect up to 3 others
  3. Good evidence for asymptomatic transmission
What a plan
  1. Start it in a place where human life is worth shit to the Government
  2. Start the spread of the disease by seeding it everywhere before everyone catches on
  3. Count on the Capitalist MSM to beat the drum loud and create panic
  4. Shutdown production of exports necessary in the US and the EU and claim that it is the virus
  5. Cause economic cataclysm
  6. Bring the medical industry to its knees
  7. Create civil unrest and get rid of the POTUS who has been your avowed enemy
You lost me at Capitalist MSM...now had you said Communist MSM, I might have kept reading.

side note, Tucker Carlson is off his tits if he’s trying to not spread panic tonight.
 
You know what protects me from viruses everyday? Eating shit right off the floor for decades. Havent gotten violently ill but ONCE in my whole life! Fuck Corona its a pussy compared to what awaits it inside my body.

I tell you what.
Come to where I work and eat something off the floor. Hell, you can just limit it to the break room floor.
You won't have to worry about the Corona killing you, that's sure.
 
Yep...
 

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If anything is to be gained from this, it's that it shows just how fucked up both Democrats and Republicans are and how they don't value life. You got the Dumbocraps who couldn't care less about closed borders and just want everyone to bring whatever fucked up diseases they got into America so they don't get called racist. Then there's the Retardicunts who just stick their fingers in their ears and ignore it because all they give a fuck about is the stock market. Hey, I love cheaper gas like any other driver out there, but for fuck sakes, how do you ignore a major breach at a level 4 bio weapon lab and ignore how the Chinese government has been imprisoning anyone who tries to report on what's really going on?
 
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@Maser. Listen good shit for brains. What would you have us do? Go to war with China and Russia over something Repub-patriots had ZERO control over. Your talking out of your asshole and you know it. Quit drunk posting dip shit.

The Chinese got that Level 4 virus shit from the Canadians. Should we just nuke Canada to show them whats what? How do people like you even put your legs in the right holes of your underwear without falling in the defication? Thats a rhetorical question. You cant.

As for the Chinese disappearing reporters? Fuck them too. They should have known better than to open their stupid Effing mouths before they left CHINA! What did they expect was going to happen? Everything you said reminds me of the dumb ass who pulls a gun in the police station and then wonders why they shot him. Phht. Think.

Ohh and while your here. What exactly is going on Maser? Feel free to explain. And when U R done....

NOW STFU because your coming off like an arrogant 2 post troll.

Soap box OFF
 
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CALLING BULLSHIT. SHE IS NOT 100 years old. Watch the "wink" ing going on at 1:25 and 1:30.

Old girl wont risk going to hell so she winks to acknoledge her deception is NOT A SIN! I havent even watched past 2 min but I bet she continues to do this as acknoledgment that she is playing the part and not "sinning" by lying.

Telling it like it was but wasnt there at that time. My grandmother told me about this "winking". God bless her soul.
 
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One thing is for sure this thread will be necro-roids. There are doomsday believers here and no big deal believers......by election time this thread should be quite a read of backtracking or I told ya so comments.
 
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Sniffles or not, unchecked the infection rate has the potential to go ballistic.

The problem with the "it's just the flu" response is if indeed this bug has a 3.7% morbidity rate (or whatever the fuck the magic number is today). If we were to allow Covid to spread like the flu, then 40 million annual cases (a decent approximation for annual flu infections) results in about 1.5M deaths. That is, uh, not "just like the flu". And that is why this stuff needs to get contained as much as possible until we get effective prevention and treatment in place to reduce the transmission and mortality rate.

If we are effective in performing this containment (likely via isolation), then jackasses like myself can keep making jackass predictions that "the flu will kill more people this year!". If that process breaks down and we flood our stretched-to-the-breaking-point healthcare system with Covid patients, then some of my earlier comments in this thread will look quite foolish, and that will be the last of my worries.
 
Town school system has put kids in full panic mode.

Only place its okay to scare the shit out of little kids these days I guess is in the school committee.

Mayor of Boston is shutting down St Pats Day parade.

Looks like they are putting money where their mouth is.

Keep hearing that cases "diagnosed" are "presumptive".

Colleges are telling kids not to come back after spring break.

My family is hating me for not giving a shit.
 
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Even under normal circumstances, China's medical system has always been overwhelmed and stretched to near breaking point. Go to any Shanghai emergency room on a normal day or evening. You will find every single chair occupied and patients sitting on stools or on the floor in the hallway. Only the most serious cases are given a gurney. The rest are given an IV or a cup of meds and sent back out into the waiting area. Average time to see a doctor is anywhere between 2-6 hours. This current epidemic is basically a high velocity rifle bullet going through tightly packed flesh and organs. The impact is creating a massive shock driven wound cavity that the system simply cannot move or bend for. And this is creating incredibly destructive consequences. From my experiences in the Chinese healthcare system from receiving treatment there in the past, I can confidently say that this is a system that never prepares for emergencies. It's operations are based on a "think of the present only" routine. No effort is made on preparing treatment space, increasing personnel and arranging for rapid movement of supplies in the event of a mass casualty situation. If this epidemic had been a mass shooting or arson instead, we would still see much higher casualties and chaos over there than other places around the world. And before any snot faced liberal thinks "But... But... China has socialized healthcare and it is better than the USA, reeeee!"........ There is absolutely NOTHING socialist about China's current government system. All health insurance carriers are private and in order to get insurance, you HAVE to work. No if's or buts. If you do not have coverage, you are expected to pay for EVERY service that you get in the facility. Everything is money based. Cash, credit, traveler's checks, COD's, whatever. If you are not a contributing member of your community, best not even show your face in social circles. The people there value masculinity, toughness, FACE, pride, and public image on a far greater scale than your average urban westerner. The best term to label China's current government would be a corporatist centralized state. 60% fascism, 40% ultra-nationalism, and 0% socialist. The real communist period lasted from roughly 1950, with the initiation of the 'People's Land and Agricultural Reforms', to the dissolution of the Gang of Four in 1978. A mere 28 years. It was a model that simply cannot be sustained and the country had been driven into near civil war by it's end.

Heartbreaking stories from the ground zero of a biological brush fire...


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Weng Qiuqiu never learned what killed her.


The disease moved fast. Over the course of just 12 days, the 32-year-old resident of Huanggang City in China’s central Hubei province went from complaining of a headache and cough to being diagnosed with an “unknown” type of pneumonia and put on a respirator, says her husband Chen Yong. Finally, on Jan. 21, 2020, after burning through 200,000 yuan ($29,000) in less than two weeks — the totality of their life’s savings plus everything they could raise from family, friends, and a crowdsourcing campaign — and with no sign of improvement, Chen agreed to take his wife off life support.

For weeks, Hubei has been wracked by a novel coronavirus epidemic that has sickened thousands and left over 100 dead, according to official figures. But even these numbers may not tell the full story. On Jan. 24, a research group affiliated with Wuhan University hospital warned doctors that the novel coronavirus’ wide-ranging symptoms make it difficult to identify and treat.


Weng’s death certificate says only that she died of “septic shock, respiratory failure, and severe pneumonia.” Chen still doesn’t know if she had the novel coronavirus, or if such a diagnosis could have saved his wife’s life. Huanggang lies just over 75 kilometers away from the provincial capital of Wuhan, where the outbreak started, and it has been among the areas hardest hit by the epidemic, with almost 500 infections and 12 deaths.
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Catching up on the older posts.

The pregnant woman in the article posted here doesn't sound old or infirm.

Article does say "Her pregnancy made her more vulnerable".
 
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Last I read statistics for ALL resolved cases ("resolved" means it's over --one way or another-- and is a documented Covid case) was a 6% mortality rate. Meaning 94% got better. The 6% was comprised of almost entirely elderly people.

This is ALL cases worldwide.
 
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@Maser. Listen good shit for brains. What would you have us do? Go to war with China and Russia over something Repub-patriots had ZERO control over. Your talking out of your asshole and you know it. Quit drunk posting dip shit.

The Chinese got that Level 4 virus shit from the Canadians. Should we just nuke Canada to show them whats what? How do people like you even put your legs in the right holes of your underwear without falling in the defication? Thats a rhetorical question. You cant.

As for the Chinese disappearing reporters? Fuck them too. They should have known better than to open their stupid Effing mouths before they left CHINA! What did they expect was going to happen? Everything you said reminds me of the dumb ass who pulls a gun in the police station and then wonders why they shot him. Phht. Think.

Ohh and while your here. What exactly is going on Maser? Feel free to explain. And when U R done....

NOW STFU because your coming off like an arrogant 2 post troll.

Soap box OFF

How did the Chinese get it from Canadians?

Genuinely curious.
 
I'll throw this out for discussion:

All the way back into the Old Testament, there have been plagues. Even here in America it is suggested the plagues were devastating.
‘In the Southwest, first contact between Native people and Europeans occurred in 1539,’ said Professor Matt Liebmann of Harvard University.

‘We found disease didn’t really start to take effect until after 1620, but we then see a very rapid depopulation from 1620 to 1680. The death rate was staggeringly high – about 87 percent of the Native population died in that short period.



So, here is my question:

Why is no one studying the individuals that never got this “COVID-19” even though they were exposed to a high concentration of the virus? Therein lies the answers.

Hobo
 
How did the Chinese get it from Canadians?

Genuinely curious.

"Researchers" stole it.

Pretty much why the Chinese make it a priority to have "students" and "professors" and "researchers" at pretty much every "educational" or other institution they can. Often Dual Citizens who are Commie lovers at heart.
 
Last I read statistics for ALL resolved cases ("resolved" means it's over --one way or another-- and is a documented Covid case) was a 6% mortality rate. Meaning 94% got better. The 6% was comprised of almost entirely elderly people.

This is ALL cases worldwide.
Elderly people, many of whom lived in a Communist dictatorship wherein adequate food quality, sanitation quality, medical aid quality, air quality, and general-well-being quality range from "glorious komrade party leader" to iffy to "fuck, Medieval Europe was better off".

People seem to be ignoring that part.
 
I'll throw this out for discussion:

All the way back into the Old Testament, there have been plagues. Even here in America it is suggested the plagues were devastating.
‘In the Southwest, first contact between Native people and Europeans occurred in 1539,’ said Professor Matt Liebmann of Harvard University.

‘We found disease didn’t really start to take effect until after 1620, but we then see a very rapid depopulation from 1620 to 1680. The death rate was staggeringly high – about 87 percent of the Native population died in that short period.



So, here is my question:

Why is no one studying the individuals that never got this “COVID-19” even though they were exposed to a high concentration of the virus? Therein lies the answers.

Hobo
Why would you think no one is studying them? I guarantee you there are plenty of basic scientists doing just that. But insights from such studies usually take decades to translate to therapy, if ever.
 
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