The OFFICIAL 'Wuhan' Coronavirus outbreak information and tracking thread. NARRATIVE CHANGE. "Endemic, just like the cold". Cuomo regrets lockdown.

[79steeler]

Lets say that the infection rate is about the same as H1N1 ~ 11% to 21%, and the death rate is 0.77%. There are 327.2 million people in the US, so that would mean 277,138 ~ 529,082 deaths in the US. Those are big numbers, but I bet people wouldn't notice if it was that simple.

However, the truth is this virus is likely more serious then the Spanish flu, because it has such a high hospitalization rate. 20% of people who get it require hospitalization, and unless the number of infected are kept low the system will be overwhelmed. The US is also full of overweight people, and the virus is expectantly deadly to people with diabetes, and heart disease. We have a lot of slobs, and uncouth types, and a healthcare systems, and economy that expects people to go to work sick. There is no reason to expect our death rate to be on the lower end of the globe spectrum.

If the US ends up with a death rate the same as the globe average of 3.4% keeping the infection rate the same it will mean 1,223,728‬ ~ 2,336,208 deaths.

Without doing any quarantining, and keeping things open and running I think its likely safe to say there would be between 277,138 ~ 2,336,208 deaths from the virus in the US. The real variable we have control over is the infection rate, not the death rate. The average number of deaths from the flu for the last 9 years in the US was ~ 37,461 so on the lower end assuming we do nothing, or all efforts to contain it don't work this seems to be about ten times worse then that.

Have you lost your mind. China has 1.2 Billion people and have only had less than 4,000 deaths. The virus and deaths are already declining in China. I bet less than 500 people die in u.s. from this bug. Sounds like you are fear mongering and listening to, to much CNN.

 

[Tactical_Tom]

I'll take that bet for sure

 

[Mr.BR]

Have you lost your mind. China has 1.2 Billion people and have only had less than 4,000 deaths. The virus and deaths are already declining in China. I bet less than 500 people die in u.s. from this bug. Sounds like you are fear mongering and listening to, to much CNN.

China did not have whole population infected , they locked down whole regions.

You will have way past 500 dead in couple of weeks , i bet you a rool of toilet paper

 

[Inifinty]

Testing is done so that you can do somewhat smaller scale isolation of individuals and thier potential contacts vs hole blocks or cities. For every positive test you isolate 5-10 people and stop them spreading it around , without that these indivuduals continue spreading COVID19 till they can't walk and then posibly walk into a hospital talking out bunch of staff that have to go into isolation

Whole point is just to slow down the spread ,by containing known infected and US was realy late with testing and even then scale was beyond minimal.

Sure this is the only opening they have against Trump first Covid now the stock market went tits up like one of his Casinos. In a month time he will have very hard time to boast about anything he did in past couple of years as the 'strong economy' runing on debt and FED money printing machine gets wiped out by the financial crisis that will make 2009 look like a cakewalk.

Couldn’t have been choreographed better. Naw. Would never happen.

The cities are already ticking time bombs. And now the clock has been sped way up. The inner city youths get wiley and the heavy hand will come down hard. It’s all down hill very easily from there.

 

[clcustom1911]

You will have way past 500 dead in couple of weeks

Bookmarked for future reference.

 

[79steeler]

People could easily quit smoking, it kills 480,000 Americans each year, but they don't. I don't understand why everyone is in such an uproar. We have 10 cases in Arizona and a 90 year old man just beat it. Most states have zero deaths so far. Just that old folks home in Washington state has had almost all the deaths in the U.S.

 

[OldSalty]

Testing is done so that you can do somewhat smaller scale isolation of individuals and their potential contacts vs hole blocks or cities. For every positive test you isolate 5-10 people and stop them spreading it around , without that ,these indivuduals continue spreading COVID19 till they can't walk and then posibly walk into a hospital talking out bunch of medical staff that have to go into isolation or in case of those that are not too seriusly affected , spread it for whole duraton of the infection.

Whole point is just to slow down the spread ,by containing known infected and US was realy late with testing and even then scale was beyond minimal.

Sure this is the only opening they have against Trump first Covid now the stock market went tits up like one of his Casinos. In a month time he will have very hard time to boast about anything he did in past couple of years as the 'strong economy' running on debt and FED money printing machine gets wiped out by the financial crisis that will make 2009 look like a cakewalk.

So the plan is to test EVERYONE? You do realize a very significant percentage of people will show very mild to no real symptoms, yes?

 

[armorpl8chikn]

People could easily quit smoking, it kills 480,000 Americans each year, but they don't. I don't understand why everyone is in such an uproar. We have 10 cases in Arizona and a 90 year old man just beat it. Most states have zero deaths so far. Just that old folks home in Washington state has had almost all the deaths in the U.S.

Wait a second.....
Wouldn't it be interesting....
If somehow we could find out how many of those old folks that died, had been innoculated with this year's flu vaccine?
What about the 90 year old that lived....

 

[79steeler]

Sounds like you are listening to the communists state run media...

Even if it was 20,000 thats next to nothing out of 1.2 billion.

 

[Inifinty]

People could easily quit smoking, it kills 480,000 Americans each year, but they don't. I don't understand why everyone is in such an uproar. We have 10 cases in Arizona and a 90 year old man just beat it. Most states have zero deaths so far. Just that old folks home in Washington state has had almost all the deaths in the U.S.

The hospitals will be easily over run with the 15% that need critical care unless they just refuse to service and 10% of those die. You can’t do that. It would be morally reprehensible.

When the medical system is over run it can’t treat other conditions as well and there most certainly will be increased deaths from other things that can kill you.

 

[Mr.BR]

So the plan is to test EVERYONE? You do realize a very significant percentage of people will show very mild to no real symptoms, yes?

Iran is a case study in pretend its nothing ,do nothing , followed by too little too late ----> bodies droping like flys


Read this post again on how it works. Early one you might not need huge number of test , once you get past certain treshold you are down to locking down cities and regions .

https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...nd-what-you-need-to-know.6982949/post-8378069

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Hospitals are going to be overrun anyway, with people demanding treatment for the sniffles.

This.
Crisis.
Is.
Engineered.

 

[clcustom1911]

People could easily quit smoking, it kills 480,000 Americans each year, but they don't. I don't understand why everyone is in such an uproar. We have 10 cases in Arizona and a 90 year old man just beat it. Most states have zero deaths so far. Just that old folks home in Washington state has had almost all the deaths in the U.S.

But, coronavirus.


The MSM/dems tried claiming Russian "interference", colluded with russia to frame Trump for colluding with Russia, a special counsel, 2 scoops of ice cream, Ukraine, impeachment.... all that failed.

Now its election year and we were wondering what was next?

Hysterical antics about a turbo-charged cold.

 

[Inifinty]

Even if it was 20,000 thats next to nothing out of 1.2 billion.

China has said had they instituted their lock down 5 days earlier their infection rate would be 2/3rds less.

The lockdown is what has saved them from much larger impact. This virus may be the gift that keeps on giving though. So when they relax their position they may go round and round again.

 

[Inifinty]

Hospitals are going to be overrun anyway, with people demanding treatment for the sniffles.

This.
Crisis.
Is.
Engineered.

It does appear that way. The MO exists.

That said it has the capacity to kill off a large chunk of our people. To say they were going to die of the flu anyway is out of touch.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

It does appear that way. The MO exists.

That said it has the capacity to kill off a large chunk of our people. To say they were going to die of the flu anyway is out of touch.

Pestilence....true.
I know who holds tomorrow.
If this is where it all starts to wrap up....it just is.

 

[Inifinty]

Pestilence....true.
I know who holds tomorrow.
If this is where it all starts to wrap up....it just is.

I take Bush on his word that they will get a new order of things. They flaunt it out in the open at concerts and Olympic ceremonies. But when we see it in motion, and tightening grip, we are so quick to believe that bat soup is the culprit.

 

[Gar.]

This would be a good time for President Trump to use some of his “National Disaster” power to fund and complete the wall. ??

 

[Snuby642]

This would be a good time for President Trump to use some of his “National Disaster” power to fund and complete the wall. ??

I think that deal has allready been made just not announced.
Was wondering why he let nancy make her anouncement, could be it.

Just got to catch a sick border jumper now for the press.

 

[Longshot231]

I said this would probably happen.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...guns-and-alcohol-while-addressing-coronavirus

 

[Snuby642]

It's a town with a wacked out mayor you can drive across to some other place till they burn her as a witch.

Some states have laws against that crap.

 

[little_scrapper]

Im not the least bit worried. Now excuse me while I read the instructions on the decon shower tent I set up outside.

 

[OldSalty]

Agree, or no?

De Blasio: Coronavirus 'Is a Case for' 'Nationalization of Crucial Factories and Industries'

On Saturday's broadcast of MSNBC's "AM Joy," New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) stated that the coronavirus outbreak is a case for "a nationalization | Clips On Saturday's broadcast of MSNBC's "AM Joy," New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) stated that the coronavirus outbreak is a case for...

www.breitbart.com

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

 

[pmclaine]

Agree, or no?

De Blasio: Coronavirus 'Is a Case for' 'Nationalization of Crucial Factories and Industries'

On Saturday's broadcast of MSNBC's "AM Joy," New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) stated that the coronavirus outbreak is a case for "a nationalization | Clips On Saturday's broadcast of MSNBC's "AM Joy," New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) stated that the coronavirus outbreak is a case for...

www.breitbart.com

Fuck no!

It will be private enterprise that overcomes any obstacle.

Govt is an obstacle.

What do you think a Communist would say?

 

[Snuby642]

Thats some communist thinking there.

 

[TheBigCountry]

Posted at the local Publix. Seriously?!

 

[Gar.]

Agree, or no?

De Blasio: Coronavirus 'Is a Case for' 'Nationalization of Crucial Factories and Industries'

On Saturday's broadcast of MSNBC's "AM Joy," New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) stated that the coronavirus outbreak is a case for "a nationalization | Clips On Saturday's broadcast of MSNBC's "AM Joy," New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) stated that the coronavirus outbreak is a case for...

www.breitbart.com

Disagree.

This Wohan, China virus reminds me of Y2K. I’ve been spun up and now I’m more grounded. I’m thinking we will look back on this and say, “how retarded could we be.” In the meantime we’ll have lost more freedom, and become more use to government oversight.

 

[OldSalty]

Fuck no!

It will be private enterprise that overcomes any obstacle.

Govt is an obstacle.

What do you think a Communist would say?

Just to be clear, I am not saying I agree with him.

Just a discussion...

So a follow-up.

What about medicines and medical equipment? I have read here that there is "hope" that this crisis persuades companies to move production back to the states. And that its a national security risk to be so reliant on overseas drug and medical manufacturing. And the chinese jumped at the chance to remind Americans of this through a not so veiled threat via their state sponsored media.

I know one thing. Companies value stability and profit above all else. Conversely, American consumers demand the lowest prices. Do you believe companies will be compelled by their own decisions to bring production of these things back to the US?

 

[Inifinty]

What do you think a Communist would say?

"Never let a crisis go to waste."

 

[Flyingbullseye]

I said this would probably happen.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...guns-and-alcohol-while-addressing-coronavirus

Lol, that's just asking for trouble. Idiots are panicking and this fool wants to go all gastopo on the city's residents. Don't be shocked if some of the police get shot for joining in her tyranny and or her residence gets visited. Unbelievable.

 

[bab029]

Do you believe companies will be compelled by their own decisions to bring production of these things back to the US?

No.
But the gov may incentivize it. Domestic production usually costs more, and execs will always receive bonuses for lowering cost.

 

[Tx_Aggie]

Just to be clear, I am not saying I agree with him.

Just a discussion...

So a follow-up.

What about medicines and medical equipment? I have read here that there is "hope" that this crisis persuades companies to move production back to the states. And that its a national security risk to be so reliant on overseas drug and medical manufacturing. And the chinese jumped at the chance to remind Americans of this through a not so veiled threat via their state sponsored media.

I know one thing. Companies value stability and profit above all else. Conversely, American consumers demand the lowest prices. Do you believe companies will be compelled by their own decisions to bring production of these things back to the US?

I think there are plenty of solutions that could be tried short of "nationalizing" crucial industries. Incentives might be one approach, another might be a medical equivalent of the Berry Act that mandates critical military products be manufactured state side.

DeBlasio is talking about the Govt. seizing ownership of the means of production from private business.

 

[Longshot231]

Ahh I have spent a wonderful day out in the sun playing ball with my kids and enjoying life around the house!

I have spent the entire day with my daughter, my son has been in and out. But as a tester we had an emergency reserve style food dinner, it was delicious! No I’m not talking about that expensive freeze dried stuff. Just good old fashioned home cooking without all the bells and whistles you don’t need.

It’s a wonderful time to be an American and not starving!

The sad thing is some of the people I care about are blowing this thing off... not that I fear the virus, but you have to always be prepared. Never get caught with your pants down...

Ditto!

I spent most of the day at the range in some rifle competition. After that was done, I let my friend's son blaze away with an M&P 15-22 at steel plates - to the tune of about 500 rounds. The new firing pin works like a charm and suppressed 15-22 runs like a Singer sewing machine

After that we had a great meal at Bob Evans with a pretty waitress serving us.

There is nothing more enjoyable than introducing a young man to the sublime pleasure of precision semi-automatic rifle fire.

The smell of burnt gunpowder and sound of bullets hitting steel is the fragrance of freedom and ringing of liberty.

Fuck those leftist commie bastards. Let them choke on toilet paper and their intestines fill up with worms.

 

[little_scrapper]

I wish I could play all day. Wifes Mustang has an oil leak. I will have to fix it. Hopefully its something simple like the oil filter bracket gasket.

I also found a rotten pipe in my shop. The sink drain/waste pipe had a massive rotten hole in it on top of the elbow up by the sub floor. I cut off the lower pipe and bent the upper pipe to break it off at the threads. However, my first attempt at pipefitting didnt go well. I fitted everything together and had everything lined up. Marked all my pieces with sharpie to line them up when I glue the pipes together. First attempt wasnt even close!

Back to home depot for more fittings tomorrow!

 

[Gar.]

 

[Gar.]

Wife and I were laughing hard...

 

[E. Bryant]

I know one thing. Companies value stability and profit above all else. Conversely, American consumers demand the lowest prices. Do you believe companies will be compelled by their own decisions to bring production of these things back to the US?

No, companies will not bring work back to the US unless there is a profit motive. That motive can be provided in a variety of ways; consumer preference is one of the most powerful. My grandfather's generation gave a shit about stuff like that (living through the Depression and WWII will do that), but then things got too easy, and additionally a bunch of good people got bamboozled by the "free trade" lie.

As times get harder (and a persistent shortage of critical drugs would qualify), we'll possibly see a return to the ethos of the Greatest Generation. I think the Millennials have already missed this boat, but the next ones in line - Gen Z or whateverthefuck they will be called - might just return some swagger to this great nation. I suspect they may grow up with more appreciation for things like national pride, traditional family units, and individual freedom, because the circumstances in which they come of age may be substantially different than the relatively good times in which Boomers and Gen Xers were raised.

My apologies if this is a bit too high-brow for the shit-slinging that is more characteristic of this subforum as of late.

 

[chrome]

Gents,

Currently working in healthcare, shit is getting froggy. As someone who studies healthcare outcomes, the only advice I can give while all of us are sent home to telework is the following;

(this meme has probably been posted elsewhere, but god damn it is the best meme i've seen so far)

 

[uffduh]

Gents,

Currently working in healthcare, shit is getting froggy. As someone who studies healthcare outcomes, the only advice I can give while all of us are sent home to telework is the following;

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(this meme has probably been posted elsewhere, but god damn it is the best meme i've seen so far)

10 months from now, OB docs will be working 24/7! Kids will be called the covid generation?

 

[chrome]

10 months from now, OB docs will be working 24/7! Kids will be called the covid generation?

^This. There is gonna be a fucking population boom starting in 2021.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Gettin' Serious:

New Orleans police clear Bourbon Street hours after city’s 1st coronavirus death

New Orleans police clear Bourbon Street hours after city’s 1st coronavirus death | Fox Wilmington WSFX-TV

Health officials’ advice on “social distancing” amid the coronavirus outbreak apparently never reached the revelers on Bourbon Street in New Orleans.So on S ...

foxwilmington.com

Coronavirus: Queen leaves Buckingham Palace for Windsor Castle

Coronavirus: Queen leaves Buckingham Palace for Windsor Castle

Her Majesty, who turns 94 next month, was chauffeured to Windsor Castle after Cobra crisis talks on Thursday.

uk.news.yahoo.com

 

[Snuby642]

By now most people in metropolitan areas have at least one family member exposed allready.

People in flyover maybe not but won't be long.

Not much use in bugging out when you are allready carrying the bug.
Eventually you will resupply from flyover and cycle will be compleate.

Most of America will survive this, old people like me maybe not.

Our local Tx Whiskey distillery has cut all access except for employees to ensure our supply remains intact.

At least one piece of good news.

 

[Jrb572]

what happened to the virus in China? You no longer hear what is going on there.

 

[OldSalty]

No, companies will not bring work back to the US unless there is a profit motive. That motive can be provided in a variety of ways; consumer preference is one of the most powerful. My grandfather's generation gave a shit about stuff like that (living through the Depression and WWII will do that), but then things got too easy, and additionally a bunch of good people got bamboozled by the "free trade" lie.

As times get harder (and a persistent shortage of critical drugs would qualify), we'll possibly see a return to the ethos of the Greatest Generation. I think the Millennials have already missed this boat, but the next ones in line - Gen Z or whateverthefuck they will be called - might just return some swagger to this great nation. I suspect they may grow up with more appreciation for things like national pride, traditional family units, and individual freedom, because the circumstances in which they come of age may be substantially different than the relatively good times in which Boomers and Gen Xers were raised.

My apologies if this is a bit too high-brow for the shit-slinging that is more characteristic of this subforum as of late.

The younger generations, although I do hold out some hope for gen-z are not going to suddenly go all "made in America". IMO, those days are gone as of gen-x...and maybe before. The shifting demographics almost assure this.

So you provide incentives? Of course at the cost of taxpayers. And those that support these incentives also support farm subsidies and corporate bailouts?

Slippery slope. So where is the line drawn? Depends on who you ask I suppose.

Not an easy answer for sure. But it is interesting to see the calls for govt to intervene...but not suprising in time of crisis.

 

[Snuby642]

Where would we get reliable information from China?

 

[Jrb572]

Where would we get reliable information from China?

Never thought it would be reliable. Just I think it’s odd no news seems to be talking about China anymore

 

[Snuby642]

Iast I saw was they were seen as getting back to normal.

But that was released by thier government so not as credible to me.

 

[Jrb572]

Iast I saw was they were seen as getting back to normal.

But that was released by thier government so not as credible to me.

I agree I do not trust there government one bit. But I would be nice to say hey look things are getting back to normal there.

 

[Snuby642]

They had Starbucks and apple store open but maybe at gunpoint in the background?