I guess I'm trying to follow your logic train from the thread title, "The SIG 716I Tread .308 may be the best AR-308 / AR-10 type battle rifle for the money."
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Funny you mention that... On my last trip to the range, I had to tighten the handguard back down. Reckon I'll use some blue locktight next time. Glad your opinion comes with direct experience. Tell me 'bout the other things, please (if this is the wrong spot for that convo, feel free to use my thread). Will give me a heads up on what I should look for.I like aero stuff but my m5e1 just didn't hold up. Handguard kept coming loose when riding around with a sling plus a couple other things. Handling the sig it doesn't look to me like it will have the same issues.
Do you have some recommendations on where I should be looking. I'm not arguing with you on needing to do more research but for a solid reliable combat rifle I believe I am maybe missing the point. Can you please guide me to where you recommend I study further. I do not have decades of experience in this category so I admittedly could us the lessons. I mean that in the most respectful way possible.Look you seem like a nice person and this is the second time you've made that comment.
YOU need to do your own reading because you don't have the basic knowledge that you need.
If you had experience with a quality firearm you'd get what the offerings are.
I keep placing my foot in my mouth here and taking the bait. I am in no means trying to offend anyone. I am not trying to turn this into a pissing match. I just feel in the hands of fellow forum members if we had a range day where we were able to share products and experiences many of you would possibly be surprised with this rifle offering from SIG. I should have probably keep it at that. Several of the rifles mentioned are amazing and the point I'm trying to convey is for only $1430+ tax & transfer, I received a rifle that is outstanding and I feel is an amazing value that I would like to share with fellow forum members. Can better be found? Yes, but can better be found for less? I don't believe so. Several of you have compiled years of data so to not offend facts with my feelings I will better watch my phrasing when conveying feelings and facts.if you have a good running rifle, why do you want folks to tell you why it isn't as good as what they have?
can't you just be happy?
i understand that people want to justify their purchases when they spend more, but it is really sort of silly the other way around.
many things cost more for no particular reason, perfume and purses for example.
imo, top tier precision semi-automatic rifles are really not in that category.
yes, my _____ rifle is better than yours, but telling you why wouldn't make you feel better, so why do you want to know?
I wouldn't worry to much about what other people think OP. The hate fucking you're receiving is due to people not wanting to acknowledge that there could "possibly" be a better value rifle that offers similar performance to something they've paid hundreds to thousands more for.I just feel in the hands of fellow forum members if we had a range day where we were able to share products and experiences many of you would possibly be surprised with this rifle offering from SIG. I should have probably keep it at that. Several of the rifles mentioned are amazing and the point I'm trying to convey is for only $1430+ tax & transfer, I received a rifle that is outstanding and I feel is an amazing value that I would like to share with fellow forum members. Can better be found? Yes, but can better be found for less? I don't believe so.
Funny you mention that... On my last trip to the range, I had to tighten the handguard back down. Reckon I'll use some blue locktight next time. Glad your opinion comes with direct experience. Tell me 'bout the other things, please (if this is the wrong spot for that convo, feel free to use my thread). Will give me a heads up on what I should look for.
I ignored that comment. comedic at best but the reality is that if someone actually believes that I feel sorry for them.I could respect your view more if you educated yourself and was more honest because Sig will never be in the same category as top teir weapon manufacturers.
Big difference between an ok gun versus a great gun and there's a reason for that, it's not just a name.
It's his money so he can spend it as he wishes.I ignored that comment. comedic at best but the reality is that if someone actually believes that I feel sorry for them.
I know my LWRC REPR doesn't fall in the Best Class for its used as a standard that others try to achieve but fail to. Mine will be used in a combat environment someday when the left steps off the cliff into the abyss and the Patriot Militias assembled....I wouldn't worry to much about what other people think OP. The hate fucking you're receiving is due to people not wanting to acknowledge that there could "possibly" be a better value rifle that offers similar performance to something they've paid hundreds to thousands more for.
I also think that the talk of military contracts is irrelevant as well because all the people who bring up that point won't be using any rifle they own in a combat environment, KAC, LMT, HK and FN owners are notorious for boasting about their weapons battle proven capabilities but their rifles get taken out of the back of their truck and walked over to the firing line at the local shooting range just the same as yours.
It's his money so he can spend it as he wishes.
What he did when he threw out top tier companies is no different than buying a Ford,Chevy or a Dodge then comparing it to a BMW or a Mercedes which is exactly what the he did.
The SIG716I is more like a Cadillac or a Lincoln to your BMW or Mercedes and yes I did compare them, why is that such a problem to say the SIG is possibly the best new up and comer especially for the price. I never said it's the best AR-308/AR-10 to ever be built. Call it how you see it. I'm not the one complaining. I already asked you respectfully for advice yet you choose to keep acting like it's not worth your time to answer but calling me out for the "How dare He's....".It's his money so he can spend it as he wishes.
What he did when he threw out top tier companies is no different than buying a Ford,Chevy or a Dodge then comparing it to a BMW or a Mercedes which is exactly what the he did.
Did Aero compete or bid? If not it's a moot point. The SIG beat the other offerings.
Was 1 MOA a requirement? This thing replaces the FAL, AKM, and INSAS. Not hard to do.
I have no idea whether or not the Indians' rifles are breaking or not -- but it would probably be in their armed forces forums and the open press if they sucked outright.
Do Aero, Knight, LMT, HK, Ruger, Remington, and Armalite (amongst others) beat the SIG? Maybe so. Did they bid? This was for a line-dog rifle -- not a precision DM or sniper system.
Could they bid without busting a federal or defense acquisition law or reg? Could HK export to India (and agree to local off-set manufacturing? They've done it before in Greece, Thailand, Pakistan, and Turkey)?
All academic -- SIG made the sale. Probably not a bad rifle (I won't buy a civil version unless they make it without QD holes in the lower).
What happened to the original Sig 716? The ones, I got a chance to shoot shot great less than 1 MOA with good Ammo and they were a piston gun.
What happened to the original Sig 716? The ones, I got a chance to shoot shot great less than 1 MOA with good Ammo and they were a piston gun.
Sig happened to the original.
That's what I chose to do for my SR-25.I'd want a spare bolt and firing pin. Otherwise it's a DI AR there's nothing else I could see myself wearing out or breaking.
I'm not butt hurt at all,however I'm calling him on his infomercial 1st post.Why are you so butthurt? Let him enjoy his rifle ffs.
The SIG716I is more like a Cadillac or a Lincoln to your BMW or Mercedes and yes I did compare them, why is that such a problem to say the SIG is possibly the best new up and comer especially for the price. I never said it's the best AR-308/AR-10 to ever be built. Call it how you see it. I'm not the one complaining. I already asked you respectfully for advice yet you choose to keep acting like it's not worth your time to answer but calling me out for the "How dare He's....".
I never insulted your rifle but I obviously insulted your ego. Get over it. Whether we like it or not your rifle, whatever it is, if it an issued combat weapon or an amazing .308 rifle, will be compared from now on with the SIG 716I alongside it.
If we are not comparing then the SIG is simply a great rifle. If you disagree maybe tell me why instead of being appalled.
I'm not butt hurt at all,however I'm calling him on his infomercial 1st post.
After I pointed out his comparisons he kept at.
Big difference, not butt hurt at all.
It's his I don't have a penny in it but the fact of the matter is he's fucked for parts.
This was a nice first post.
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I have used a bolt from a 716 in a Wilson carrier with a DPMS firing pin on a DI build, worked fine. The bolt and barrel on the 716 are DPMS pattern. The springs and ejectors on the Sig bolt ar AR-15 parts. I use Sig 716 bolt catches on all my 308 AR builds. Most all the small pins and springs are the same as the AR-15 and 308 AR. The 716 is not near as proprietary as they lead you to believe.
@rpoL98tbh, first post did come across as a Mega-shill post.
Affordable.Found this digging around sig forum:
For 200 fucking bucks lol
I never said your name was Scott.@Ravenworks
I'm in buddy. I even hit up Scott and told him about you on the thread.
https://forum.308ar.com/topic/21595-spare-parts-for-the-sig-716i/?tab=comments#comment-337016
So thanks for creating a speed bump but after we clear this negative air you brought over to my thread up see your way out instead of trolling.
See it's shit like this that pisses people off.I've got the same thread over at ARFCOM and though several also disagree with me none have there panties in a bunch like you.
I never said your name was Scott.
Go re- read the post.
Do you understand the gravity of that post?
Maintenance or anything breaks,box it up ship it back.
What are you missing?
These are tools,nothing more nothing less And they break.
As I said before, I was being nice about it, so fuck you and your speed bump.
If you're happy with it great, but you keep inflating your gun.
Its a rack grade, highly proprietary large frame gasser.
You found all the GREAT videos and posted them in your 1st post.
Then you ask me to explain myself and what I mean by other guns then wrote a dissertation as to why every other gun out there sucked.
When you come off like a dick people treat you like one.See it's shit like this that pisses people off.
Dude,you have 56 fucking post at least learn your environment
FYI honesty goes a long way.@Ravenworks
I'm in buddy. I even hit up Scott and told him about you on the thread.
https://forum.308ar.com/topic/21595-spare-parts-for-the-sig-716i/?tab=comments#comment-337016
So thanks for creating a speed bump but after we clear this negative air you brought over to my thread up see your way out instead of trolling.
@Ravenworks
Why would you think that was me? When have I ever mentioned anything of that nature and why would I say my name is Scott when if you really did your research you would see that seldom when I leave my name it's not Scott. Look at my posts through all of the relevant forums, Ive got the same thread over at ARFCOM and though several also disagree with me none have there panties in a bunch like you. Your actually becoming the laughing stock over there. I use the same name and avatar and I come as you see. The reason I keep the same avatar and handle is so whiny little shits know where to find me. I don't mind being called out. My skin is thick. My DD214 was verified by lowlight for this forum and I'm actually not a member of the forum your referencing but please pass me your handle and I'll go set up an account and represent the SIG 716I some more and call you out.
Not once have you taken the time and intelligently rebutted your point. You keep stacking the bullshit on thick though. If you disagree stop trying to rally your friends to save you and tell me why I'm wrong! I have openly acknowledged what I feel are SIGs shortcomings and I accept that you feel that I'm wrong, especially because my rifle can't get product support in your opinion from the manufacturer and yours can, but not once have you directly said that. Please stop coming at me like a whiny insolent little shit. If you're indeed an adult, please act accordingly and I'll show you some respect.
For the Mods and rest of the forum and @lowlight I apologize for my profanity but these accusations have lasting ramifications and I don't appreciate his remarks. They are lies. I am willing to show proof that I have had nothing but positive correspondence from SIG N.A., and I am not lying. In fact I will also send correspondence to them in an attempt to prove him and Scott wrong. I never said they would send parts I said you must send your rifle in and they will fix or replace but I'll unfuck this mess.
@Ravenworks
You called out the wrong guy. I tell the truth and though I may be annoying and not in a style everyone may appreciate I try my best to help and inform my fellow gun owners and enthusiasts from my perspective and I am honest, and my name is Daniel not Scott, next time get it right if your going to call me out.
@RavenworksFYI honesty goes a long way.
I did a quick internet search with your model number in it, the very first thing in the queue was that thread on 308.
I never even logged on, but just to let you know when you go back my screen name is Ravenworks.
It never changes from site to site.
With that why on earth would you go to another site and get a guy banned thinking it was me?
What are you 2 ?
That's the kind of shit arfcom and leftist assholes pull.
Dude, pulling a move like that loses all my respect.
Go clean up the mess you created.
SnipersHide
I apologize for this mess.
agreehaha don't apologize.
fwiw this place used to be a lot better. A lot of the older crowd doesn't post that much anymore.
also I just talked to sig and according to the customer support muppet the spare parts will be on the website sometime in the future.
just move on dan, it is not a big deal.
if you find out where you can get spare bolts or others parts, sharing that would probably help quite a few people that lurk around and probably never post anything, including somebody on the sigtalk forums that is going to use them at his LEA. from all accounts, unless you buy a lot of guns, even their liason for LEAs doesn't really do much for anyone small. maybe that will change.
/pretty much everyone has been piled on at some point.
//my rifle is the best.
///at what it is designed to do.
haha don't apologize.
fwiw this place used to be a lot better. A lot of the older crowd doesn't post that much anymore.
also I just talked to sig and according to the customer support muppet the spare parts will be on the website sometime in the future.
Agreed and thanks to all for the advice.agree
Can anyone in the group help me answer the question above from a user at https://forum.308ar.com/topic/21595-spare-parts-for-the-sig-716i/. I tried to source a bolt from a local gun shop in WA to compare with my 716I but they have no .308 AR's, let alone a DPMS style BCG.Originally Posted By :jtallen83
Do you have access to a 308AR DPMS style BCG to compare? Sig ain't gonna say schit about any parts compatibility. They swear up and down their 716 piston gun bolt is proprietary when it is just a cosmetic variation on the DPMS.
@theLBCdid you try sigtalk? i think somebody came to the conclusion that it is not the same, but i dunno and i don't own one.
It's the best 7.62 AR I've seen for $1300. I had a chance to put 200+ rounds through one. It ran everything from M80 to FGMM 308win 175 with not one hiccup. I wish it had two more inches of barrel, but that's just me.I don't think the best, but are great for the price, as long as the gun runs well.
Since the military version is full auto, I bet that's a 4150 barrel since it has to withstand the high heat. With current manufacturing, it's not hard to make accurate barrels out of that.I was also told that due to there being no adopted standard amongst AR-308/ AR-10 type rifles, SIG manufactures thier own proprietary in house parts, which they feel are more than adequate. One point that was repeatedly mentioned when I asked if the 716I's barrel was Cold Hammer Forged(CHF), was that the 716I barrels are DLC, Carbon Steel, button rifled, Nitrided barrels. I'm so confused now and need to go to hip pocket manufacturing 101.
Another Colt hater. Come on. Be betterAll new firearms have growing pains. Colt had 13 years between introduction and producing pistols with the Army's mandated M1911A1 modifications. Same deal as the M1 rifle, M16, and the M4 Carbine.