Since we have video from the Battle of Kenosha, I think we all learned not to go into action with Aguila .223 unless you have an FA on your upper.
Good argument for all those naysayers about the FA being worthless. The slickside cool club.
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Since we have video from the Battle of Kenosha, I think we all learned not to go into action with Aguila .223 unless you have an FA on your upper.
Good argument for all those naysayers about the FA being worthless. The slickside cool club.
I think this is one of those topics where the only correct answer is: buy what you want.
When it comes AR's and what they can cost, one man's "hype/marketing/branding" is another's "reputation/quality/experience" and in the end if you don't agree with another's choice, who cares, it's not your wallet.
Personally, and this is just me, unless I'm fast-roping out of a helicopter into a range that shoots back and a government agency is paying the tab, I don't see any justification for some of the really outrageously-priced brands after having owned them (looking at you KAC and Giessele). But, I still think: if one wants one, get one, it's your money. In some ways, having bought some of the high-end stuff is partly how I taught myself what good stuff is supposed to be.
That said, after you've played with these toys for long enough to where you can almost cobble one together blindfolded, IMHO the roll mark doesn't really matter anymore and that sort of becomes the last thing I care about.
However, if you're one of these douchebags running a KAC/Giessele/Radian/etc with some fancy optic(s) on top, but with one of the stock shitty mil-spec triggers many of them come with, you suck at life, buy a real trigger you cheap bastard.
I was being a bit flippant when I used the word hype. These threads are really kind of silly anyway. Is the OP going to convince me that my KAC is a POS and that I should throw it in the trash?Did it really shoot that much different than any other mid-length gas 16" cobbed together AR? I watch reviews on Youtube, and dudes are creaming on them "OOhh the recoil is so soft..." this and that. Or am I gonna have to do like you buy one to experience the hype lol.
I had to replace the barrel. Other than that g2g.I was being a bit flippant when I used the word hype. These threads are really kind of silly anyway. Is the OP going to convince me that my KAC is a POS and that I should throw it in the trash?
Engineering is a thing.
Should I start bashing the SCAR 17 because another friend has one, ran Tulammo in it, and had a case separation? I bet a shitty AK wouldn't have that problem.
How about new HK pistols that won't run weak 115 grain ammo but have a 25K spring life with 124 NATO? A $299 Taurus 24/7 wouldn't have those issues.
I had a little experience with an SR15 when a friend bought one in 2012. He runs his reloads as well as tons of M855 through it, rarely cleans it, and I have never seen any malfunctions. I liked how it shot, both reliability, how smooth it felt, and the overall build quality. I kept my eye out for one and found one when prices hit rock bottom.
My other AR, that I built in 2008, is a complete frankengun. Sabre Defense, VTAC, Bushmaster, Yankee Hill, LaRue, DPMS, Spikes, and Magpul are all represented. It has been shot in 3-gun and other tactical matches, carbine classes, prairie dog hunts, and for general fun.
I cannot complain about how well it has performed but the SR15 is a complete package. I couldn't put together a gun of it's quality at the same price point.
If you want to shoot mediocre ammo, go buy a Colt 6920, or a $349 PSA kit with an overgassed carbine gas system, and have fun. Tell me how it's running when you hit 5K rounds.
@MarshallDodge I totally agree with you, it IS all about engineering. If you want to shoot shit ammo all you need to do is buy a Romanian AK47 with a milled upper, a truckload of steel cased Russian 7.62x39 and go to town! The AK will last far longer than your desire to shoot will because that is the ONLY thing it was engineered to do."Should I start bashing the SCAR 17 because another friend has one, ran Tulammo in it, and had a case separation? I bet a shitty AK wouldn't have that problem."
"My other AR, that I built in 2008, is a complete frankengun. Sabre Defense, VTAC, Bushmaster, Yankee Hill, LaRue, DPMS, Spikes, and Magpul are all represented. It has been shot in 3-gun and other tactical matches, carbine classes, prairie dog hunts, and for general fun."
"I cannot complain about how well it has performed but the SR15 is a complete package. I couldn't put together a gun of it's quality at the same price point."
I was being a bit flippant when I used the word hype. These threads are really kind of silly anyway. Is the OP going to convince me that my KAC is a POS and that I should throw it in the trash?
Engineering is a thing.
Should I start bashing the SCAR 17 because another friend has one, ran Tulammo in it, and had a case separation? I bet a shitty AK wouldn't have that problem.
How about new HK pistols that won't run weak 115 grain ammo but have a 25K spring life with 124 NATO? A $299 Taurus 24/7 wouldn't have those issues.
I had a little experience with an SR15 when a friend bought one in 2012. He runs his reloads as well as tons of M855 through it, rarely cleans it, and I have never seen any malfunctions. I liked how it shot, both reliability, how smooth it felt, and the overall build quality. I kept my eye out for one and found one when prices hit rock bottom.
My other AR, that I built in 2008, is a complete frankengun. Sabre Defense, VTAC, Bushmaster, Yankee Hill, LaRue, DPMS, Spikes, and Magpul are all represented. It has been shot in 3-gun and other tactical matches, carbine classes, prairie dog hunts, and for general fun.
I cannot complain about how well it has performed but the SR15 is a complete package. I couldn't put together a gun of it's quality at the same price point.
If you want to shoot mediocre ammo, go buy a Colt 6920, or a $349 PSA kit with an overgassed carbine gas system, and have fun. Tell me how it's running when you hit 5K rounds.
As Mr. Alexander pointed out, his AR15s are tested on specific ammo, and all of the high end makers like AA, KAC, LMT, Noveske, etc. are engineering these guns to perform in other ways than just going "boom".
I definitely agree that you can definitely build a gun every bit as high quality as the KAC SR15 for less money because it is direct impingement. Rivaling the SCAR or the HK 416 is tougher because those guns are gas piston driven, and even though you can do a relatively economical conversion on DI upper, in my experience those just do not have the same quality as a high end OEM upper.You could 100% build a gun of even better quality for cheaper. You have $2400 to work with.
I definitely agree that you can definitely build a gun every bit as high quality as the KAC SR15 for less money because it is direct impingement. Rivaling the SCAR or the HK 416 is tougher because those guns are gas piston driven, and even though you can do a relatively economical conversion on DI upper, in my experience those just do not have the same quality as a high end OEM upper.
I'm sure you could build a system better than any of the top names...................You could 100% build a gun of even better quality for cheaper. You have $2400 to work with.
I'm sure you could build a system better than any of the top names...................
You've got how many of those builds under your belt now? Since March of 2020.
With how many hours & rounds of testing in the field under different & combat circumstances?
How's your QA on all the purchased components?
MM
Be sure to let the shooting world know when you bring your version of the SR-15 or 25 to the market so we can all go out & grab one.Am I designing parts or putting things together that are mainly all made to a similar spec? Your point is moot.
Oh...and how many of the people posting here are in an active war zone?
Thanks.
Be sure to let the shooting world know when you bring your version of the SR-15 or 25 to the market so we can all go out & grab one.
Laughin' here.................but rock on in your fantasy wannabe world.
MM
slowdown, plenty of colts, dd, bcm run just fine way way past 5k. let's not get stupid hereI was being a bit flippant when I used the word hype. These threads are really kind of silly anyway. Is the OP going to convince me that my KAC is a POS and that I should throw it in the trash?
Engineering is a thing.
Should I start bashing the SCAR 17 because another friend has one, ran Tulammo in it, and had a case separation? I bet a shitty AK wouldn't have that problem.
How about new HK pistols that won't run weak 115 grain ammo but have a 25K spring life with 124 NATO? A $299 Taurus 24/7 wouldn't have those issues.
I had a little experience with an SR15 when a friend bought one in 2012. He runs his reloads as well as tons of M855 through it, rarely cleans it, and I have never seen any malfunctions. I liked how it shot, both reliability, how smooth it felt, and the overall build quality. I kept my eye out for one and found one when prices hit rock bottom.
My other AR, that I built in 2008, is a complete frankengun. Sabre Defense, VTAC, Bushmaster, Yankee Hill, LaRue, DPMS, Spikes, and Magpul are all represented. It has been shot in 3-gun and other tactical matches, carbine classes, prairie dog hunts, and for general fun.
I cannot complain about how well it has performed but the SR15 is a complete package. I couldn't put together a gun of it's quality at the same price point.
If you want to shoot mediocre ammo, go buy a Colt 6920, or a $349 PSA kit with an overgassed carbine gas system, and have fun. Tell me how it's running when you hit 5K rounds.
My old BCM middy won't run on steel cased ammo either.slowdown, plenty of colts, dd, bcm run just fine way way past 5k. let's not get stupid here
Just borderline stupid?My old BCM middy won't run on steel cased ammo either.
This thread started out on the borderline of stupid, I'm just trying my best to keep it there
In a really odd and back handed way, this is the most salient "just as good" argument that has ever been put to keyboard...In this thread, we highlight the fact that 99.97% of AR owners think a high round count is something over 2500 rounds, spend 4.5 hours cleaning their AR after shooting <50 rounds off a bench for a 'training session' and get upset when they notice their trigger guard now has a scratch on it as it goes back to live in the safe with the rest of the rifles that have a combined round count that is less than what the other .03% of us shoot in a week.
In closing, most gun people have literally no fucking clue as to why most (not all) higher end carbines are better in ways that they will never actually come even remotely close to testing the limits of, nor do they even know exist, because they're still reading shit from the 1960s.
I think its one his 'less than good' posts and I'ma fan of the german!. Lots of nonsense and conjecture thats simply not present in this thread. This notwithstanding, there is the law of diminishing returns with respect to a product that has become almost commoditized And through modern manufacturing the gap between good and just as good has really narrowed. that post reminded me of a consultants rambling trying to validate their need to a line of business lolIn a really odd and back handed way, this is the most salient "just as good" argument that has ever been put to keyboard...
Big fan of using Mobil 1. really is the besy imho. I use it and in Alaska in sub freezing temps I had zero jelling or slowing bolt issues. i can't recall a single temp condition where i ever had issues related to. Fine sand is another matter.....lolMy only SR15 is a 11.5 cqb mod2 on a Stag SBR lower. Sprinco Blue and KAC buffer and AAC556sd can. Its always suppressed and always goes bang. Wolf steel to Black Hills 77 grain TMK and everything in between. And i don’t clean it much, just lube it with Mobil 1. At some point it’s super filthy and I give it a clean but I hate cleaning guns.
The letters KAC cast a spell on weak minds when it comes to parts.There are lots of precise iron sites, hard to imagine dropping $300 on them
They are saving up for the KAC 2-stage trigger upgrade (on sale now) for only $599.I think this is one of those topics where the only correct answer is: buy what you want.
When it comes AR's and what they can cost, one man's "hype/marketing/branding" is another's "reputation/quality/experience" and in the end if you don't agree with another's choice, who cares, it's not your wallet.
Personally, and this is just me, unless I'm fast-roping out of a helicopter into a range that shoots back and a government agency is paying the tab, I don't see any justification for some of the really outrageously-priced brands after having owned them (looking at you KAC and Giessele). But, I still think: if one wants one, get one, it's your money. In some ways, having bought some of the high-end stuff is partly how I taught myself what good stuff is supposed to be.
That said, after you've played with these toys for long enough to where you can almost cobble one together blindfolded, IMHO the roll mark doesn't really matter anymore and that sort of becomes the last thing I care about.
However, if you're one of these douchebags running a KAC/Giessele/Radian/etc with some fancy optic(s) on top, but with one of the stock shitty mil-spec triggers many of them come with, you suck at life, buy a real trigger you cheap bastard.
holy $hit that is ridiculous!They are saving up for the KAC 2-stage trigger upgrade (on sale now) for only $599.
Let me edit a smiley in to that postholy $hit that is ridiculous!
What in the back river Louisiana are you trying to say?By the way when I told my kac that she could only run on a specific ammo she laughed at me and said bitch let's get this on, the colt said I'd one up her and my bushmaster said hold my beer...lol.
Same ol' same ol'.........................just another mil-spec forged upper, just like any other.Anyone got any opinions on Midwest industries?
What has been stepped over in this thread is the bolt for the SR15. From an engineering standpoint - it's a better design. You can say 'just as good', but it isn't; and there is no getting around that.
Wolf has only been a problem for me in 55 grain with a 10.5 while unsuppressed. 62 grain - no issue in the 10.5. In time I realized I never had an issue regardless of weight w/ an 11.5 and ditched the 10.5.
They all fail if you shoot them enough, that includes my AKs.
Best of luck
lol yeah I could have written that better!What in the back river Louisiana are you trying to say?
I consider Midwest Industries stuff somewhere between Aero Precision and BCM.Anyone got any opinions on Midwest industries? I got an upper I’m going to put an 18” barrel on and it’s in an aero lower.
Radians cost more than KAC and have nothing special in themMight be an unpopular opinion but I think KAC is overrated. You're spending nearly $3k on a base rifle, but what are you getting for the higher cost as compared to DD, ADM, Radian, etc? Not a lot for your standard consumer in my opinion. Granted, 99.9% of all ar15 users won't put 30k on a rifle ever so the effects of the engineering put into their stuff really won't be seen.
My bad. I swear last time I looked at them they were somewhere in the 2400 range. At least the radians have ambi bolt hold open with the mag catch and a better safety selector in my opinion. I'd still rather have an ADM for 1k less.Radians cost more than KAC and have nothing special in them
if you are building then just buy aero parts and be done, you won't be disappointed and will serve you wellThanks for the opinion.
I gotta be honest about my previous posts (I did say I was ignorant) and admit that now, as I am finally “building” my own AR I am not necessarily fixated on buying a top level upper but after doing some research I am a little worried about checking all of my parts to make sure they are all in spec and the right size and I am learning about this tolerance stacking concept. So I get where people are coming from wanting a gun that is going to be more likely to be put together right but I am feeling like I’d like to control that myself, although I’m sure it’s out of my knowledge level to some degree.
In this thread, we highlight the fact that 99.97% of AR owners think a high round count is something over 2500 rounds, spend 4.5 hours cleaning their AR after shooting <50 rounds off a bench for a 'training session' and get upset when they notice their trigger guard now has a scratch on it as it goes back to live in the safe with the rest of the rifles that have a combined round count that is less than what the other .03% of us shoot in a week.
In closing, most gun people have literally no fucking clue as to why most (not all) higher end carbines are better in ways that they will never actually come even remotely close to testing the limits of, nor do they even know exist, because they're still reading shit from the 1960s.
Come on man!What in the back river Louisiana are you trying to say?
Might be an unpopular opinion but I think KAC is overrated. You're spending nearly $3k on a base rifle, but what are you getting for the higher cost as compared to DD, ADM, Radian, etc? Not a lot for your standard consumer in my opinion. Granted, 99.9% of all ar15 users won't put 30k on a rifle ever so the effects of the engineering put into their stuff really won't be seen.