Night Vision TNVC Announces the WASP NV Clip-On Device

Rumlover · Dec 22, 2013

If I remember correctly, these were designed to compete with the PVS-22. Any plans to challenge the CNVD-LR performance and price?

MBC223 · Dec 22, 2013

They were intended to compete with the pvs-22 for 50-60% of the price. If that is in fact how they pan out one day it would be cool if someone could pull the same trick with the cnvd-lr...those things are pricey. That's putting the cart before the horse in this case.

Rumlover · Dec 28, 2013

Last night I got to put a PVS-14 behind a 5-25 S&B PMII and could clearly make out the 5, 1" bullseyes at 25x on the 400 yard target with an illuminator. Is a clip on such as the WASP really going to give you that much more clarity if you can only get it up to 12x-15x?

I^2 Technologies - Peter · Dec 28, 2013

Rumlover said:
Last night I got to put a PVS-14 behind a 5-25 S&B PMII and could clearly make out the 5, 1" bullseyes at 25x on the 400 yard target with an illuminator. Is a clip on such as the WASP really going to give you that much more clarity if you can only get it up to 12x-15x?

Yes a clip on will give you better clarity than a 14 behind a day optic. That being said, only the big boys (PVS 27, PVS 30, CNVD-LR) will handle the higher magnification day scopes above 10 power with real clarity. Even a PVS 22 is starting to loose sharpness above 8 power.

newguy2k3v2 · Dec 30, 2013

This question is probably very premature, but does anyone know how much rail, forward of the objective is needed to mount the wasp?

HTR707 · Dec 31, 2013

newguy2k3v2 said:
This question is probably very premature, but does anyone know how much rail, forward of the objective is needed to mount the wasp?

If you look at my picture on the previous page (post #234 of this thread), you will see where it is in front of an Eotech. When mounted in front of a glass optic, you will probably need about 8-10 slots of picatinny rail, past the objective, to get it on. I am using an 11" Troy rail on that rifle, and a 13" rail on my 6.8 20" AR.

ETA:

Here it is on my 6.8 DMR.

TestnDoc · Jan 8, 2014

Its been over a year since this was announced. Will it ever come to market??

Surgeon_Shooter · Jan 9, 2014

I think they are going to announce it at shot again... Sorry I had too!

TheGerman · Jan 14, 2014

Surgeon_Shooter said:
I think they are going to announce it at shot again... Sorry I had too!

Ok, that was pretty good.

NET65 · Jan 18, 2014

So was there anything at SHOT this year about the WASP? Been waiting a year and haven't really been tempted to go a different route till I saw Flir's new thermal offerings.

CTM1 · Jan 18, 2014

Per Vic still refining the WASP.

Roddd · Jan 19, 2014

I think when it is FINALLY released, it'll be an excellent product. While the announcement of it may have been premature, I think it'll be worth it when it's ready to ship.

SkyPup · Jan 19, 2014

Clip-Ons are difficult to collimate. I'd rather wait for a unit that is sub-MOA than have one that isn't...?

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Surgeon_Shooter · Jan 19, 2014

I think the secret problem is the collimation. That's the only thing I can think of that wouldn't be a quick fix.

koz · Jan 20, 2014

Surgeon_Shooter said:
I think the secret problem is the collimation. That's the only thing I can think of that wouldn't be a quick fix.

That's fine if collimation is the problem. I just wish they would come out and say it.

First it was ready to go, then it was the Larue mounts, then it was shipping, then it was delayed for a month, then it was shipping again, then silence and "we'll let you know…"

Hogzillanator · Jan 27, 2014

Yup I've been patiently waiting since shot show 2013 for this one because of TNVCs reputation for quality and the price point but I'm now officially alarmed given that no mention was made of this unit at shot 2014.

How depressing that I'm actually considering ATN again. I'm considering that new PS 28 they rolled out to replace the 22 and 40s.
I'm just flat out not spending more than 5K for a clip on to blast hogs with so the BNS or PVS 22s are not options for me.

Come on Eric or Vic throw us a bone here.

What if Chevy announced and hyped a new model at the Detroit Car Show and then didn't deliver and went silent?

Strykervet · Jan 27, 2014

Hey Vic, if you get a moment let me know a bit more about this and send me a PM with the price if you aren't too busy? Thanks.

jdonovan · Jan 27, 2014

Hogzillanator said:
What if Chevy announced and hyped a new model at the Detroit Car Show and then didn't deliver and went silent?

Then people with a need, and cash would by an available product, and have their needs met.

People without a need or money, would hang out on the internet and fret about the availability/specifications of products they can't buy.

Victor-TNVC · Jan 27, 2014

Nothing has changed....Unit is still very much in the works, it will not be released until it's completely ready. It was shown at the Shot show as well. We will announce when it's complete.

Thank you.

Vic

Hogzillanator · Feb 2, 2014

Vic I know that this is a little off topic but I just noticed the FLIR RS32 on your sight.
Couple of quick questions:

What does MSR stand for when referencing semi auto platform up to .30 cal?
Can I turn off the cross hairs?
Thx

JohnnyC · Feb 3, 2014

:/ The longer I wait for this it seems the more I'm willing to gamble on ATN's new PS-28. Unfortunately they seem to be the only ones in the low-cost clip-on market right now. Which is a huge bummer considering their reputation for everything outside of the THOR line.

ggmanning · Feb 4, 2014

I hope it is a booming success for TNVC which I am sure it will be when they are done. I expect one of these years it will actually be available for sale. IIRC the first shot debut was 2011.

RobertB · Feb 4, 2014

I think this PVS 22 here will keep me happy for a while. Waited as long as I could. TIme will tell. If I had a company I know I would release something till it was ready for sure. NO need to send out stuff like this unless it was tried and tested. That would not be good for business.

Hogzillanator · Feb 4, 2014

Victor-TNVC said:
Nothing has changed....Unit is still very much in the works, it will not be released until it's completely ready. It was shown at the Shot show as well. We will announce when it's complete. Thank you.

Vic

Victor-TNVC said:
Response above.

Thanks Victor

I actually just got off the phone with Chip and ordered a FLIR R with the 35mm lense and 60 hz refresh rate.

AND....I'm in for the L3 tubed WASP. I'll wait as long as it takes because I know it's going to be right when you guys release it.
Chip lined me out on everything.
Sorry about the earlier whining!
Just getting antsy!

Not that I haven't been thinning them out with my helmet mounted PVS 14 and Trij RSR combo at close range but the Hogs are doomed now!!!!

Regards

GAP308 · Feb 7, 2014

Victor-TNVC said:
Nothing has changed....Unit is still very much in the works, it will not be released until it's completely ready. It was shown at the Shot show as well. We will announce when it's complete. Thank you.

Vic

I just want to make sure my name is still #5 on the list of buyers. I called almost a year ago and have been and am still patiently waiting. I have an order for the L3 tube.

Gauthier

Renegade · Feb 7, 2014

ggmanning said:
I hope it is a booming success for TNVC which I am sure it will be when they are done.

I wish no ill-will on anyone, but Business Schools such as Harvard and Wharton have studied and modeled the effects of a product being late to market to death. The results are not good. I worked in the computer industry and I remember man instances where a product was going to be late to market, it was cancelled and they went on to the next generation.

alpha6164 · Feb 10, 2014

Renegade said:
I wish no ill-will on anyone, but Business Schools such as Harvard and Wharton have studied and modeled the effects of a product being late to market to death. The results are not good. I worked in the computer industry and I remember man instances where a product was going to be late to market, it was cancelled and they went on to the next generation.

This holds very true for many industries particularly computer/ other mass electronics when shit changes every 4-6 months with new models. In this case we still dont have another company that has a "WASP" competitor in their price range so they could be the exception.

RobertB · Feb 10, 2014

I'm gonna come out with the "bumble bee" maybe it will put a sting in the market earlier. LOL

Renegade · Feb 10, 2014

alpha6164 said:
This holds very true for many industries particularly computer/ other mass electronics when shit changes every 4-6 months with new models. In this case we still dont have another company that has a "WASP" competitor in their price range so they could be the exception.

Agreed but folks need a solution and the replacement does not have to be a direct competitor. They could decide to forgo the clipon route and go with a dedicated sight such as a D760, M845, or the new FLIR RS series.

alpha6164 · Feb 10, 2014

Renegade said:
Agreed but folks need a solution and the replacement does not have to be a direct competitor. They could decide to forgo the clipon route and go with a dedicated sight such as a D760, M845, or the new FLIR RS series.

I think by the time the people are ready to drop that kind of money they already know what they want. Frankly, the D760 has been available, if it would work for them they would have gotten it. Personally i dont want a dedicated site. I dont want to tie up my precision rifle with a dedicated system like the D760 so that wont work for me. Same goes for FLIR. Thermal and NV are completely different. And one does not replace another. Thermal is great for detection, but for ID id doesnt beat NV so if someone wants thermal they will get thermal. I guess we will wait and see. Obviously there is no question that TNVC at this point doesnt have 100.00% satisfaction because they have obviously pissed off some buyers. No one including Vic can deny that they have lost sales being more than a year behind. Who can argue that. But after talking to Vic at SHOT and him talking about how they are improving and finalizing the product, they will still have a hit on their hand. But only time will tell.

Renegade · Feb 10, 2014

alpha6164 said:
I think by the time the people are ready to drop that kind of money they already know what they want. Frankly, the D760 has been available, if it would work for them they would have gotten it. Personally i dont want a dedicated site. I dont want to tie up my precision rifle with a dedicated system like the D760 so that wont work for me. Same goes for FLIR. Thermal and NV are completely different. And one does not replace another. Thermal is great for detection, but for ID id doesnt beat NV so if someone wants thermal they will get thermal.

Like I said, folks need a solution, not a product. My solution was to pony up some more $$$ for a CNVD. I now have the capability I was looking for.

YMMV.

RobertB · Feb 10, 2014

You dont have to tie up your weapon if your able to swap back and forth between 2 optics. I swap out my DMR and my 760 on my GAP with great results. Testing has shown the 760 to need to settle in sometimes before going back to a great zero. The badger mount for the DMR has always been perfect. Just gonna let yall know my experience.

alpha6164 · Feb 10, 2014

RobertB said:
You dont have to tie up your weapon if your able to swap back and forth between 2 optics. I swap out my DMR and my 760 on my GAP with great results. Testing has shown the 760 to need to settle in sometimes before going back to a great zero. The badger mount for the DMR has always been perfect. Just gonna let yall know my experience.

Thank you and you are right that it can be swapped but the zero issue always becomes a question and also mag limited to 4 or 6x. With a clip on being able to keep your scope zeroed and not moved and then having higher mag capabilities is tits.

shooter6.5 · Feb 10, 2014

you guys are right about both. I have a 740 and the CNVD. The 740 works great with a bit of light and with IR. I do have a dedicated rifle for it as I just do not want to count on the zero being on if I have to move it around.

I have the CNCD that is moved around and it really works well. It is at its best with a 4 or 6 power. After that the resolution gets grainy. If you need more scope then get the CNVD=LR.

Clip on is the way to go IMHO. I do use thermal to locate and it works great for that.

TexasGunTrustLawyer · Feb 11, 2014

Well, the wasp will be great when it is ready. The concept is great. The unit is nice and ergonomically works.

Tnvc will work the kinks out. Have confidence in their team.

SingleShot85 · Mar 14, 2014

monthly bump

native · Mar 15, 2014

Yearly bump...lost my confidence
Refund in hand, hope its everything eventually but stupid/silly up to this point

Eric-TNVC · Mar 18, 2014

native said:
Yearly bump...lost my confidence
Refund in hand, hope its everything eventually but stupid/silly up to this point

Sorry for you loss of confidence, and sorry for your troubles. We will let everyone when it is ready. Thank you for your interest.

JRoss142 · Mar 18, 2014

With the advances in thermal sights, I think it's going to be very competitive. I agree that a night vision clip on certainly has it's place, however that RS series from Flir will be tuff to beat being they are similar in price. It will be interesting to see the reviews on the Wasp once it's finished and out on the market.

SingleShot85 · Mar 18, 2014

Eric-TNVC said:
Sorry for you loss of confidence, and sorry for your troubles. We will let everyone when it is ready. Thank you for your interest.

I have not lost confidence and am patiently waiting w plenty of interest...... hope to be the first to know when its ready

Surgeon_Shooter · Mar 18, 2014

alpha6164 said:
Thank you and you are right that it can be swapped but the zero issue always becomes a question and also mag limited to 4 or 6x. With a clip on being able to keep your scope zeroed and not moved and then having higher mag capabilities is tits.

I don't know if you've ever used a clip on before or not but the "high magnification" you speak of is not that high. I've had a pvs-22 and now have a CNVD-LR. On the hand select pinnacle pvs-22 which is obviously better for higher mag than the wasp, 12x is grainy but useable. 6-8x is crisp and clear with it, past that it starts falling on its face. I don't care what what anyone says it won't do 20x at all. It's a big blur....

Honestly I have a LOT of experience with a pvs-14 and a 5-25 S&B and it is better at 20x than a pvs-22 with a good illuminator.
If you want a great,not good, frikken GREAT clip on then don't waste your money on the beloved wasp in 3 years when it comes out. Get the cnvd-lr. No I'm not trying to take tnvcs money, buy the LR from them if you want.

Eric-TNVC · Mar 19, 2014

Surgeon_Shooter said:
I don't know if you've ever used a clip on before or not but the "high magnification" you speak of is not that high. I've had a pvs-22 and now have a CNVD-LR. On the hand select pinnacle pvs-22 which is obviously better for higher mag than the wasp, 12x is grainy but useable. Really? Please, tell us all about your experience using the WASP. I am pretty sure you are confused here.

6-8x is crisp and clear with it, past that it starts falling on its face. I don't care what what anyone says it won't do 20x at all. It's a big blur....This is also puzzling. PVS-22's were never even designed to reach that magnification, nor do they claim to be capable of 20x magnification. Of course it's a big blur at 20x, it's not designed for that magnification. I still think you are confused about what clip on you're speaking of.

Honestly I have a LOT of experience with a pvs-14 and a 5-25 S&B and it is better at 20x than a pvs-22 with a good illuminator.
If you want a great,not good, frikken GREAT clip on then don't waste your money on the beloved wasp in 3 years when it comes out. Get the cnvd-lr. No I'm not trying to take tnvcs money, buy the LR from them if you want. I can agree with you on one thing here. The CNVD-LR is pretty awesome. However, not everyone only wants to shoot at those magnifications, so this is like comparing a 4 wheel drive pickup to a racecar.. They were designed for different reasons.

If you are going to come on our thread and bad mouth us and our product, I honestly couldn't care less. Seriously by all means, knock yourself out. I'm just trying figure out why you at least didn't do your research to get your facts straight. You are giving people bad information, and THAT is what I do care about. This was a poor attempt. You can do better. Perhaps you should just stay in your lane.

Surgeon_Shooter · Mar 20, 2014

Hey there Eric, did I not quote a guy that was talking about high x on a clip on? Did TNVC not say that the wasp was as good as a pvs-22 "up to" 12x and at that point the pvs-22 was performing better?

I didn't give poor info. Read it again! I said the pvs-22 wouldn't do 20x. Will it? I said the pvs-22 was better on higher x than the wasp. Is it not? If not then why did you say it was in the description of the wasp? You said that my statement was puzzling. I said it wouldn't do 20x and you agreed. But your puzzled? Stay in your lane pal....

I didn't bash TNVC or the non existent wasp. I turned right around and said to buy the cnvd-lr from TNVC. YOUR WELCOME!
By the way I got your boss's pm. I pmed him back. Thanks victor for the message, if you want my phone number you can have it too.

Eric I'm not gonna get in the little e net bikkering battle like you usually do with everyone so feel free to bash away but I'm not gonna reply. That's stupid..... Have a great day sir. Carry on with thread!

Evolution 9 · Mar 20, 2014

Eric, you are out of line. Jumping all over a potential customer for no good reason doesn't exactly make me want to continue being a customer.

You have a lot of customers on my recommendation, so here's a recommendation for you:

1. Apologize for that childish outburst.

2. Be up front about the delay.

I'd love to keep recommending TNVC, but my recommendations only carry weight because they're carefully placed. We all screw up. What we do from there is what defines us.

Crazy1323 · Mar 20, 2014

Evolution 9 said:
Eric, you are out of line. Jumping all over a potential customer for no good reason doesn't exactly make me want to continue being a customer.

You have a lot of customers on my recommendation, so here's a recommendation for you:

1. Apologize for that childish outburst.

2. Be up front about the delay.

I'd love to keep recommending TNVC, but my recommendations only carry weight because they're carefully placed. We all screw up. What we do from there is what defines us.

As a TNVC customer I agree

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Victor-TNVC · Mar 20, 2014

Actually I will address this. A few on this thread have followed me personally and accused me of all sorts of things. A few have been shills found out later from affiliations from other companies and they were dealt with from what I've been told. But a few have not been and they continue to trash our good name which has been built on years of great CS calling me or TNVC this or that. All this from folks who never ordered, nor paid us a dime. Other dealers who have pre-ordered were given a choice to refund their monies and we have done that. A few WASP's have been delivered early on to a dealers, one of them folks you may know as Wild River Ranch, the best and premier hog hunting and guide service out there. In fact he was the first to order and just received another unit this week. We're slowly getting there.

The WASP could have been released awhile back but it was not 100% what I wanted it to be. I will NOT go into details, except to stay it will NOT be fully released until I believe it's ready for prime time. I would never offer gear that did not perform up to our standards. This is why we do not sell all that "other" NV products on the market.

Once again, the WASP will not fully release until I say it's ready for mass production and I will not field questions on this or that problems from the past. I can tell you it was more optimization to this point and I want this to be the best damn clip-on out there for the money. That is where it's at and thank you for the interests.

Vic

Eric-TNVC · Mar 21, 2014

Surgeon_Shooter said:
Hey there Eric, did I not quote a guy that was talking about high x on a clip on? Did TNVC not say that the wasp was as good as a pvs-22 "up to" 12x and at that point the pvs-22 was performing better?

I didn't give poor info. Read it again! I said the pvs-22 wouldn't do 20x. Will it? I said the pvs-22 was better on higher x than the wasp. Is it not? If not then why did you say it was in the description of the wasp? You said that my statement was puzzling. I said it wouldn't do 20x and you agreed. But your puzzled? Stay in your lane pal....

I didn't bash TNVC or the non existent wasp. I turned right around and said to buy the cnvd-lr from TNVC. YOUR WELCOME!
By the way I got your boss's pm. I pmed him back. Thanks victor for the message, if you want my phone number you can have it too.

Eric I'm not gonna get in the little e net bikkering battle like you usually do with everyone so feel free to bash away but I'm not gonna reply. That's stupid..... Have a great day sir. Carry on with thread!

Okay guys, it looks like this train has derailed. This thread has gone bananas, and I accept responsibility for the last mishap.

First off, Surgeon_Shooter – I apologize for the remarks I made previously. I went back and read (what seems like the entire thread) and I saw that I took what you said out of context. I’m willing to admit, it was wrong of me. Nothing personal, no hard feelings.

Just so everyone knows, this was nothing that was forced upon me, it was my ultimate decision, after I had some time to reflect on the things I wrote. I can eat crow with the best of em’.

At this point, I think it’s apparent that most people know the WASP has been delayed. We have no official ETA on release, and I won’t speculate. Let’s move past that. We will do our best to answer any direct questions that have not already been answered previously in this thread. I assure you, we have taken GREAT care of all the people that pre-ordered. Nothing to worry about there. We will let everyone know the SECOND we have a firm release date, and we plan on making a as huge of a splash with it’s official release, as you guys have made at poking at us for delaying it

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TexasGunTrustLawyer · Mar 30, 2014

I spent Sat. at WildRiverRanch.com: The Leading Wild River Ranch Site on the Net with the WASP.

Quick recap. Put it on my pof 18" P-416 in front of a primary arms 4-14 FFP

The unit works. We shot to 300 without illumination on a moonless night. Actually made a 1st round hit at 400 on a half ipsc painted white but really needed illum to see it and the 500 and 600.

Also shot it on the mp-22 to 300 in front of an eotech with primary arms 3x magnifier.

Shot a hog with it at around 100 yds with no illumination of course.

First impressions are very positive.

I'll post photos and video later.

TexasGunTrustLawyer · Mar 31, 2014

Had a chance to shoot the WASP on my POF P-416 at WildRiverRanch.net Home with HTR.

I will post more later.

SingleShot85 · Mar 31, 2014

this is promising....

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