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Rifle Scopes To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

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I've recently been thinking about switching from MOA to Mil. My thinking is that it will give me more options on scopes and spotters with reticles in them. Right now I have 2 Nighforce scopes, both MOA/MOA. These will be the only optics I would have to swap out. To those of you that switched, did you find in the long run that it was easier or harder than MOA?

Thanks
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

I guess what I'm really asking is. Would it be worth switching and learning a different system for a wider choice of optics?
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

i just went from MOA to MIL. I have only shot it once, but pretty much same same. Dial it up, hold for wind, and press. I went from the np-r1 to the MLR2 and couldn't be happier. I really like the fact that the hash marks are the same on the vertical and on the horizontal. I also went from 22X to a 15X and am glad I did.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

I switched from Mil reticle/MOA adjustment to MIL reticle/Mil adjustments.
It is my opinion that Reticle with matching turrets just makes sense. The Reticle is a ruler, see where the bullet is, and where it needs to be. You either dial that or hold that and you are there.

I really feel like I am parroting Jacob and Frank however that is my frame of reference and my experience.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

This is a very subjective issue and you should use the system you find you are most comfortable with. I recommend using mils for a while before converting the rest of your scopes over.

While true you will have more options available to you in mil/mil, this is changing rapidly as more and more manufacturers add moa/moa scopes to their lineup.

For what it's worth, I changed from mil to moa a while back and have never regretted it.

 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

I recently switched over to mils and it is well worth the switch. The number columns on my dope chart are easier to read and there are less numbers to deal with ( with MOA you are dealing with numbers like 1.25, 1.5, 1.75 and in mils it is 1.1, 1.2,1.9 etc.) There are also less numbers beyond the decimal point so your columns are lined up neater and to me are easier to read. To get to 1000 yards I was using 36MOA, with mils it is 10 mils.If you are ever going to shoot under stress and with time constraints, in my opinion using the mils system is faster and easier. I would also recommend going first focal plane, this also greatly simplifies things because you can range and hold over at any power.
Switching to mils has made shooting much easier and gone are the vapor locks I used to experience using MOA and second focal plane under stress.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

I havent regretted it...... I love having the same hold at all mag ranges, using FFP and Mil...

And even though the metric idea is just a little change, it makes life simpler. For me at least. I hate fractions.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TallShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
And even though the metric idea is just a little change...........</div></div>

Ummm, I'm not even gonna touch that!


I almost wish I had converted everything to FFP IPHY, but its a mil world so all my stuff is mil. I am happily fluent in both, but am not a fan of mixing them-whatever you choose go with matching reticle and adjustments and you'll be good to go!
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TallShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
And even though the metric idea is just a little change...........</div></div>

Ummm, I'm not even gonna touch that!


I almost wish I had converted everything to FFP IPHY, but its a mil world so all my stuff is mil. I am happily fluent in both, but am not a fan of mixing them-whatever you choose go with matching reticle and adjustments and you'll be good to go! </div></div>

Yeah, I know there is nothing "metric" about the mil system. The scopes I have do match. It's just hard to find more than 1 or 2 scopes in the lower power that are MOA/MOA without spending a lot of $$. Whereas you can find the $200-$500 range Bushnells and Weavers in the Mil/Mil setup.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">wish I had converted everything to FFP IPHY, </div></div> That is the only way I, an many I know an shoot with, roll.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">but its a mil world so all my stuff is mil.</div></div> Not everywhere, there are pockets of open thinkers still alive.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

correct me if I'm not understanding Mil vs MOA.
Mil adjustments;1 mil@100m=10cm, each click 1cm?(metric
MOA adjustments;1 moa=3.6in@100yds, each click 1/4"?(inch

maybe I have misunderstood.........
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pyplynr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've recently been thinking about switching from MOA to Mil. My thinking is that it will give me more options on scopes and spotters with reticles in them. Right now I have 2 Nighforce scopes, both MOA/MOA. These will be the only optics I would have to swap out. To those of you that switched, did you find in the long run that it was easier or harder than MOA?

Thanks</div></div>


The switch took nothing for me. i just slapped a mil/mil on and went to town. Got a new dope and it worked just as easy, expect now when someone yells out .2 right I don't have a brain fart trying to convert it.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MEW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">correct me if I'm not understanding Mil vs MOA.
Mil adjustments;1 mil@100m=10cm, each click 1cm?(metric
MOA adjustments;1 moa=3.6in@100yds, each click 1/4"?(inch

maybe I have misunderstood......... </div></div>

1 MOA=1.047" @ 100 yds.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

I did the opposite.

I had one of each (MOA and MIL), and decided to swap the MIL for MOA. When ranging it is easier for me to use 1 inch per 100 yards (or 1.05 inches per hundred for distance shots) than it is to use 3.6 inches per hundred yards. I realize mil is meant to be used metric, but I was raised in the USA and the metric ranging is harder for me to use also.

I prefer IPHY even more, but that is hard to find in scopes within my budget.

You are right though, there are more choices in MIL than MOA and especially IPHY. I should know because I'm trying to go the other way. Also if you go to matches and have a spotter, I'm guessing he's more likely to be using MIL just because that is more available on the market and all the guys with military and police background are used to MIL.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MEW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">correct me if I'm not understanding Mil vs MOA.
Mil adjustments;1 mil@100m=10cm, each click 1cm?(metric
MOA adjustments;1 moa=3.6in@100yds, each click 1/4"?(inch

maybe I have misunderstood......... </div></div>

Yep you are missing a few things. For starters MOA nor Mils have NOTHING to do with either imperial or metric systems of linear measure. An inch is always an inch, a foot is always a foot, a meter is always a meter, a MOA is always a MOA, and a mil is always a mil. Remember that linear forms of measure are static forms of measure that will always equal the exact same amount of distance regardless of distance from you. However MOA and Mils are dynamic systems of measure that are designed to measure a circle or arc, and the amount of linear distance that these units subtend changes with distance while the number of mils of minutes remains the same.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">correct me if I'm not understanding Mil vs MOA.
Mil adjustments;1 mil@100m=10cm, each click 1cm?(metric
MOA adjustments;1 moa=3.6in@100yds, each click 1/4"?(inch</div></div>

Maybe this will help:

1 mil is .1 yd (3.6")@ 100 yds, .2 yds (7.2" @ 200 yds....1 yd (36") at 1000 yds.
It's not metric, it's decimal. Whatever measurement a mil covers at 100 yds it will cover 10x as much at 1000 yds.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Longshot38</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MEW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">correct me if I'm not understanding Mil vs MOA.
Mil adjustments;1 mil@100m=10cm, each click 1cm?(metric
MOA adjustments;1 moa=3.6in@100yds, each click 1/4"?(inch

maybe I have misunderstood......... </div></div>

Yep you are missing a few things. For starters MOA nor Mils have NOTHING to do with either imperial or metric systems of linear measure. An inch is always an inch, a foot is always a foot, a meter is always a meter, a MOA is always a MOA, and a mil is always a mil. Remember that linear forms of measure are static forms of measure that will always equal the exact same amount of distance regardless of distance from you. However MOA and Mils are dynamic systems of measure that are designed to measure a circle or arc, and the amount of linear distance that these units subtend changes with distance while the number of mils of minutes remains the same. </div></div>


For<span style="text-decoration: line-through">starters</span>Shooters using MOA or Mils has <span style="text-decoration: line-through">NOTHING</span> everything to do if the shooter is using either imperial or metric systems of linear measure..

In a perfect world you would be right on...However optic companies for years and years and still today have been brainwashing the shooter otherwise. For example I have right here a Leupold and it states 1/4 inch on the elevation turret and I have a Schimdt und Bender that States 1CM on the Turret. I believe for this reason it really does depend if the end user is using imperial or metric systems of linear measure. As one system will be easier with one or the other. Is it right? No but that is the way things have evolved in the optic world.
I am not saying that mils are metric or MOA is imperial, I am just saying that it really does depend on what the shooter is used to in terms of linear measurements.
It really comes down to that..
If you are using meters use Mils.
If you are using yards use MOA or IPHY.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankythefly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If you are using meters use Mils.
If you are using yards use MOA or IPHY. </div></div>

UMM....NO..that would be incorrect...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WikiFuckingPedia</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Since a radian is mathematically defined as the angle formed when the length of a circular arc equals the radius of the circle, a trigonometric milliradian (mrad), is the angle formed when the length of a circular arc equals 1/1000 of the radius of the circle. Since the radian expresses a ratio, it is independent of the units of length used.
</div></div>

Um....as it says above it is an angle of measurement, it doesn't really matter what the base unit is. It could be doughnuts for all that matters. Does it convert nicer into metric, yes it does, does it really matter, not that I have seen.

I say it is more important that your reticle matches your turrets. If that is MOA/MOA or MIL/MIL it really doesn't matter. I was shooting MOA and switched to MIL on Saturday, it was nothing special to write home about.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankythefly</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Longshot38</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MEW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">correct me if I'm not understanding Mil vs MOA.
Mil adjustments;1 mil@100m=10cm, each click 1cm?(metric
MOA adjustments;1 moa=3.6in@100yds, each click 1/4"?(inch

maybe I have misunderstood......... </div></div>

Yep you are missing a few things. For starters MOA nor Mils have NOTHING to do with either imperial or metric systems of linear measure. An inch is always an inch, a foot is always a foot, a meter is always a meter, a MOA is always a MOA, and a mil is always a mil. Remember that linear forms of measure are static forms of measure that will always equal the exact same amount of distance regardless of distance from you. However MOA and Mils are dynamic systems of measure that are designed to measure a circle or arc, and the amount of linear distance that these units subtend changes with distance while the number of mils of minutes remains the same. </div></div>


For<span style="text-decoration: line-through">starters</span>Shooters using MOA or Mils has <span style="text-decoration: line-through">NOTHING</span> everything to do if the shooter is using either imperial or metric systems of linear measure..

In a perfect world you would be right on...However optic companies for years and years and still today have been brainwashing the shooter otherwise. For example I have right here a Leupold and it states 1/4 inch on the elevation turret and I have a Schimdt und Bender that States 1CM on the Turret. I believe for this reason it really does depend if the end user is using imperial or metric systems of linear measure. As one system will be easier with one or the other. Is it right? No but that is the way things have evolved in the optic world.
I am not saying that mils are metric or MOA is imperial, I am just saying that it really does depend on what the shooter is used to in terms of linear measurements.
It really comes down to that..
If you are using meters use Mils.
If you are using yards use MOA or IPHY.
</div></div>

Well you are right and your wrong. You have two scopes that are both labeled and do move the reticle in the measurements labeled. But 1cm is equal to .1 mils at 100 meters. But remember that not all scopes are setup as described. Some are IPHY others are actual mil and moa adjustments. As for what the shooter is used comment, no it doesn't matter. If the shooter is using his/her scope correctly then it doesn't matter. The reticle is a ruler thus if the shooter is using the reticle as it was supposed to be used then it doesn't matter what liner system of measure they are used to. As for you meters and yards comment that doesn't hold water either. I use mil/mil scopes exclusively and yet I make a point to use both imperial and metric systems of measure without any difficulty.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

Never got the opportunity to get my hands on an S und B scope. But all the Mil scopes I've seen have .1 mil turret graduations.

It's just a matter of scale and what the shooter is comfortable with, like you said. One scale is .26" per click (MOA 1.047"), .25" (IPHY 1") or .36" per click (mil 3.6"). Not a big difference for me to adapt to.

I find it easier to break my reticle tics into 1/10s than quarters or eighths. But, that's just me.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

I have both Mil and MOA scopes. The key is to match your turrets to the scope reticle, which ever system you pick. Also to stay with the same system as your spotter.

For me the math for ranging in yards for MOA is slight quicker to do in my mind, but Mil has it's advantages too.

Pick on and stick with it, learn it well, it doesn't really matter which...it comes down to preference.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

Perhaps I am just the 1% who thinks that it is way easier to use .1mil = 1 cm at 100m rather than:

1 moa = 2.9089cm at 100m
.3438MOA = 1cm at 100m ...

I really don't see how using MOA with metric would be easier than mil with metric.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

I didn't really notice a difference going from moa to mil. I have both. I will say I do like the mil a little better, mainly due to the fact that the .1 mil adjustments are a little more coarse where as the .25 moa adjustments seem a little fine when dialing elevation at extended ranges.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

It is useful to know linear measurements and how they correlate to angular units: for example call for fire,finding target movement speed, providing distances for dismounts while in over watch role, helps in setting up TRPs on the range card, etc..

The MOA formulas for me are harder to remember for example,

(height of target in inches x 95.5)/MOA of Target
=Range in yards

(height of target in meters X 3438)/MOA of the Target
=range in meters

Again I still think this is easier:
(height of target in meters x 1000)/Mils=range in meters
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

I made the MOA to Mils(Nightforce NPR1 to Premier Gen2xr), both systems work and IMHO work better when the end user does not assign it a value other than MOA or MIL, stop thinking in inches feet yards when looking thru your glass, the calibrated ruler(reticle) and knobs don't adjust that way.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

I suggest it depends how you've been trained and your life experience. When I was about 13 yrs old at high school we nationally switched from imperial to metric. Those who went before were OK with inches, those who came after think in metres. To this day I measure large in feet/yards and machine and mill small in millimetres.

If I see a cow or car at 1000yds I know what it is and how big it is, I can picture MOA size and range instantly. I used to keep goal in field hockey and still estimate large distances by hockey field length.

So, if you had no previous knowledge or outside influences you'd be able to subjectively assess both systems based on merit only. I can't re-learn to think that differently.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

I think ranges in yards and target sizes in inches. I have no problem with a Mil/Mil optic. In fact that is what I have been standardizing on although I have several holdbacks.

The fact that a scope is marked 1/4" or 1cm is a non-issue. It just means the company isn't taking into account how tactical shooters use the scopes. Other than zeroing or dot drills i am rarely shooting at a distance where one click of an IPHY scope will be 1/4" of movement on the target. This is where the matching turrets and reticle come into play. It's just too easy to measure and dial. In fact I have gotten so used it it that I blew a couple of shots when I pulled an old rig our of the safe that still has a Mil/MOA SFP scope.

Metric vs. SAE......

I really wish this would die. None of the angular units of measure we use in rifle scopes are metric. That is all there is to it. If I work hard I can come up with a range where one click on a MOA or IPHY scope will move the impact of the round 1cm. This doesn't magically transform the scope into a metric scope.

I have stuck with Mil reticles because even the cheapes wally-world scopes have mil reticles. When I go to a school or when I am teaching new shooters there is a really good chance they will have a Mil reticle. If you have an MOA reticle, you probably know a little bit about it because it was not by chance that you ordered an optic so equipped. If I show up at a match or school and I am partnered up with someone there is a better chance that we both will be spotting and calling adjustments in mils.

Lastly I have been spotting artillery for some time. It's natural to read corrections in mils.

If the world went MOA, then it really wouldn't be hard to change. I would just have to memorize a new ranging formula and drop table but everything else would pretty much work the same.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

I have found that some people grasp Mil better than MOA and others MOA better. Here is one thing I think is important. 1/4 MOA is roughly .250" while 1/10 mil is .360". This allows for a finer adjustment with an MOA based scope. Long range precision shooting is about one thing, precision. You get more of that with the MOA system.
As far as using a ranging reticle, let me bust some bubbles. Using a reticle to range past 500 yards is very difficult. Using a reticle to range at any distance takes practice and is a perishable skill. I see many people buying first focal plane scopes and then selling them soon after. The truth is that most people don't shoot enough or have the proper training to be effective at ranging with a reticle. Also, most of us shoot with our scopes at the same magnification much of the time so as long as we know the conversion for that magnification we can attempt to range with a second focal plane scope just as easily as with a first.
I see allot of hype in the world of rifle scopes. FFP is one that most people don't need and now everyone thinks they have to have a MIL/MIL scope to be cool. In truth, a shooter with good fundamentals and a working knowledge of the ballistics of his rifle will be effective with whatever scope they choose to use.
Sadly, most people would rather keep spending money on new equipment in an attempt to solve their shooting problems rather than spending one day a week at the range putting 100 rounds or more through their rifle.
If your serious about long range shooting spend some money on a good shooting school and quit trying to buy better guns and scopes! The cost will be less and you will be much happier with the results.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

One thing that has not been talked about much is "what are the people you shoot with using". Me personally, like MOA simply because at this time I understand it. ie-1 MOA at 100yds is about 1" sndd so on. But the group of guys I shoot with use Mil, so I find it easier when we are all speaking the same language so to speak. I am starting to understand mil but I am definetly not an expert.

All of this to say, use what you are comfortable with and/or what is common to your shooting buddies.

All of this is opinion(not only my post, but the whole thread)
There is no right answer; it is up to you to decide.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

I have both MOA/MOA and mil/mil.

It really makes no difference when I'm alone.

However, when I'm shooting with friends, they are likely to have a mil reticle. It makes things much, much easier to spot for them or them for me if we both are using a mil reticle.

The only difference is what your dope chart says and your ranging formula, if you even use one. I have a "mil-dot master" type program on my phone so I don't bother using a formula anyway.

It doesn't hurt to be proficient with both at all. After a little practice, its no problem to give MOA corrections to the guy next to you using a mil reticle with MOA knobs.

I will say I'm coming to prefer the mil overall because it is a smaller, neater number on the dope chart. Otherwise, it really shouldn't matter---any slack-jawed trigger-yanker should be able to figure out both systems.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TxShooter63</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I have found that some people grasp Mil better than MOA and others MOA better. Here is one thing I think is important. 1/4 MOA is roughly .250" while 1/10 mil is .360". This allows for a finer adjustment with an MOA based scope. Long range precision shooting is about one thing, precision. You get more of that with the MOA system.</div></div>

Yes and no. If you look at things purely at the surface then yes you are correct. But when you look a little deeper you find that shooter that are proficient with one or both systems get the same degree of accuracy with either.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TxShooter63</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As far as using a ranging reticle, let me bust some bubbles. Using a reticle to range past 500 yards is very difficult. Using a reticle to range at any distance takes practice and is a perishable skill.</div></div>

It is a difficult and perishable skill that requires practice. But it doesn't mean it should be abandoned. Hell the military used this systems for many year with great success, no reason any other shooter can't master this skill.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TxShooter63</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see many people buying first focal plane scopes and then selling them soon after. The truth is that most people don't shoot enough or have the proper training to be effective at ranging with a reticle. Also, most of us shoot with our scopes at the same magnification much of the time so as long as we know the conversion for that magnification we can attempt to range with a second focal plane scope just as easily as with a first.</div></div>

Speak for yourself here. I see a lot of people purchase FFP scopes and then dump all their SFP optics soon after. Once one has been properly educated on FFP optics then few reasons exist to keep SFP. Also most shooters I know do not use the same magnification much of the time. Rather we adjust our optics as our situation dictates. With the improvements in variable power scopes over the past few decades few reasons exist to keep a fixed power optic.
I see allot of hype in the world of rifle scopes. FFP is one that most people don't need and now everyone thinks they have to have a MIL/MIL scope to be cool. In truth, a shooter with good fundamentals and a working knowledge of the ballistics of his rifle will be effective with whatever scope they choose to use.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TxShooter63</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sadly, most people would rather keep spending money on new equipment in an attempt to solve their shooting problems rather than spending one day a week at the range putting 100 rounds or more through their rifle.
If your serious about long range shooting spend some money on a good shooting school and quit trying to buy better guns and scopes! The cost will be less and you will be much happier with the results. </div></div>

A lot of new guys do spend money on gear when the problem is far from their gear. An no doubt more trigger time the best route to improvement. But good gear is a part of this equation also. Remember precision is 90% the shooter and 10% good gear. And I don't care how good the shooter is if the equipment is not up to the task then skill can't make up for the deficit.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

I elected to purchase a Vortex FFP scope for the express purpose of being able to use my surrounding environment to make relative accurate range estimates without the use of a laser range finder.

Batteries die, your cross hairs, mil dots and mil hash marks don't.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TxShooter63</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is one thing I think is important. 1/4 MOA is roughly .250" while 1/10 mil is .360". This allows for a finer adjustment with an MOA based scope. Long range precision shooting is about one thing, precision. You get more of that with the MOA system.
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I think you seriously lost credibility with that one statement.

Only on the Internet do I meet shooters with the skill to notice the difference in .25 MOA and .1 mRad adjustments at "long range". They are glaringly absent from competition where mere mortal shooters take home thousands of dollars in prizes. Do you realize the difference amounts to about 1" at 1000 yards?
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

i have used MOA and MIL, i do all my ranging in Y, not M, so for me its this..
"For me the math for ranging in yards for MOA is slight quicker to do in my mind"

i know what moa is at 1 2 3 5 6 7 8 900 and so on.. i know inchs, not CM's if i dealt with metric all the time, 100m/CM, mil's would be great... but i dont..
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

I can't believe the comments about how it is hard to think in mils because "I wasn't raised metric." Then how do you manage to deal with dollars and cents? What they have in common is that both happen to be decimal-based systems. And that makes the math a little easier.

In practical terms, it is so difficult to range accurately using a reticle and a formula, especially where it's really going to matter at long distances (drastic drops) that for most of us it doesn't matter which system you choose. Just go with something that matches the turrets.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: azimutha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can't believe the comments about how it is hard to think in mils because "I wasn't raised metric." Then how do you manage to deal with dollars and cents? What they have in common is that both happen to be decimal-based systems. And that makes the math a little easier.

In practical terms, it is so difficult to range accurately using a reticle and a formula, especially where it's really going to matter at long distances (drastic drops) that for most of us it doesn't matter which system you choose. Just go with something that matches the turrets.</div></div>

Genius !

<span style="font-weight: bold">Thinking in Mils for Dummies</span>

Milsinpennies.jpg


The Mil Reticle from Crosshair center to 1 mil and the Turret Stacked above...

Shrewd, LOL

I think they learn this in 1st Grade in the US.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ring</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i have used MOA and MIL, i do all my ranging in Y, not M, so for me its this..
"For me the math for ranging in yards for MOA is slight quicker to do in my mind"

i know what moa is at 1 2 3 5 6 7 8 900 and so on.. i know inchs, not CM's if i dealt with metric all the time, 100m/CM, mil's would be great... but i dont..</div></div>

Hmm, i do all my ranging in Yards, and use Inches too... but with Mils, I must be bionic or something --- > really.

And I don't do any math in the field, go figure, magic.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

Why does it seem to be so hard for people to understand that neither mil nor moa is metric. In fact millradian is the standard for math in the us. A millradian is simply the length of the arc of a circle where the arc is 1/1000th the length of the radius of that same circle. so when the radius of the circle is 100 yds then the millradian of that is 1/1000 of 100 yards. since 100 yards is equal to 3600 inches, then 1/1000 of 3600 inches is 3.6 inches. which gives us our 1 mil = 3.6 inches @ 100 yds.

IT IS NOT METRIC. It is just a different measurement.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Radar86</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There you go trying to teach us some'in.

"I may not be a smart man, but I know what little circles are."

(thanks cfish)</div></div>

I am just a stubborn redneck that happens to be going to school since there are no jobs and am extremely proud that I actually know a little sumthern.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cfish36</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why does it seem to be so hard for people to understand that neither mil nor moa is metric. In fact millradian is the standard for math in the us. A millradian is simply the length of the arc of a circle where the arc is 1/1000th the length of the radius of that same circle. so when the radius of the circle is 100 meters then the millradian of that is 1/1000 of 100 meters. since 100 meters is equal to 3,937 inches, then 1/1000 of 3,937 inches is 3.937 inches. which gives us our 1 mil = 3.937 inches @ 100 meters

IT IS NOT METRIC. It is just a different measurement. </div></div>

There, everybody's happy; metric and imperial.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cfish36</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

IT IS NOT METRIC. It is just a different measurement.</div></div>

not only is it not metric it isn't even linear, its angular. So inches, meters is all bollocks.

When my mate is spotting the favoured linear unit seems to be in ba' hairs or f*^(*& miles.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think they learn this in 1st Grade in the US. </div></div> Try playing Monopoly with my son. If he gets Boardwalk and Park Place it's all over. The little stinker has no problem counting his pile of bills.
 
Re: To those of you that switched from MOA to MIL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cfish36</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why does it seem to be so hard for people to understand that neither mil nor moa is metric. In fact millradian is the standard for math in the us. A millradian is simply the length of the arc of a circle where the arc is 1/1000th the length of the radius of that same circle. so when the radius of the circle is 100 yds then the millradian of that is 1/1000 of 100 yards. since 100 yards is equal to 3600 inches, then 1/1000 of 3600 inches is 3.6 inches. which gives us our 1 mil = 3.6 inches @ 100 yds.

IT IS NOT METRIC. It is just a different measurement.</div></div>

I know that. I think you misunderstand people. In my case I am ranging with one or the other. The formula for ranging includes a linear measurement of height and a linear measurement of distance.

I find it easier to use inches and yards in the MOA formula because that's how I think. I choose an MOA reticle not because MOA is imperial, but because the the ranging formula works for me in imperial.