I had thought the thread was a troll just to rile some feathers. In the op, the OP almost had me convinced he was serious. Then, he said, he had the rifle topped with a Vortex Viper Venom scope. That threw it off the rails.
Vortex has different families of scopes. Viper is one family, technically better glass, than the Venom, which is another family. The Venom is NOT in the Viper family.
So, I thought, maybe he was trolling. But the ensuing 4 pages make me wonder.
It is possible and does happen that a cheap rifle performs well, especially at certain jobs. Thompson Center Arms offered the rifle the Compass and later Compass II with a factory guarantee of 1 MOA on the first three shots. And they delivered.
So, @Mcrider55 , I have been where you are. There was a thread asking the question that if a $500 dollar rifle was proven 1 MOA and a $5,000 rifle was also 1 MOA, how do you justify the extra money spent?
I got my ass handed back to me like 10 pounds of lime jello on a paper plate. I posted a target of my TC Compass II in .308 with a Vortex Diamondback Tactical 6-24X50 FFP scope on it, firing Hornady 150 gr SST, which was not even the best for that rifle, it shot better with Federal Fusion 65 gr. Two shots, rifle fresh out of the box, I measured with my Stanley tape measure and got .5 inches. I called it a .5 MOA rifle.
That's as bad as shitting on the cross on Good Friday. Someone took my pic and did a ballistic-x treatment and proved that my $400 rifle shot .54 inches. I was off by .04 inches. That makes the spread .51 MOA for two shots. As a hunting rifle at 300 yards, that is acceptable.
So, I learned. The context of the rifle's job is key.
What I also learned is that I am not going to change minds or teach anything. I have only to learn. So, I took the roasts and learned a few things.
Here's the thing. Let's say, for debating sake, that it is true. A Savage or other comparable budget rifle turns out to be good and shoots an average of 1 MOA over 20 to 50 rounds. Great, go win some competitions with it. Because you will not win anything here. And people do get set in their ways. Even if you do succeed and prove the guys here wrong, who cares? Log out and never return. Go off and be the god-king of cheap precision rifles.
And yes, cheap rifles can perform well and I have a few and they have performed well. But I also don't brag them up here. Sometimes, getting along with people to learn something means keeping one's mouth shut. Trust me, that is the hardest thing for me to do.
Stating the immaturity or lack of emotional balance here is going to get lost in the noise of us howler monkeys. We simply do not care.
Vortex has different families of scopes. Viper is one family, technically better glass, than the Venom, which is another family. The Venom is NOT in the Viper family.
So, I thought, maybe he was trolling. But the ensuing 4 pages make me wonder.
It is possible and does happen that a cheap rifle performs well, especially at certain jobs. Thompson Center Arms offered the rifle the Compass and later Compass II with a factory guarantee of 1 MOA on the first three shots. And they delivered.
So, @Mcrider55 , I have been where you are. There was a thread asking the question that if a $500 dollar rifle was proven 1 MOA and a $5,000 rifle was also 1 MOA, how do you justify the extra money spent?
I got my ass handed back to me like 10 pounds of lime jello on a paper plate. I posted a target of my TC Compass II in .308 with a Vortex Diamondback Tactical 6-24X50 FFP scope on it, firing Hornady 150 gr SST, which was not even the best for that rifle, it shot better with Federal Fusion 65 gr. Two shots, rifle fresh out of the box, I measured with my Stanley tape measure and got .5 inches. I called it a .5 MOA rifle.
That's as bad as shitting on the cross on Good Friday. Someone took my pic and did a ballistic-x treatment and proved that my $400 rifle shot .54 inches. I was off by .04 inches. That makes the spread .51 MOA for two shots. As a hunting rifle at 300 yards, that is acceptable.
So, I learned. The context of the rifle's job is key.
What I also learned is that I am not going to change minds or teach anything. I have only to learn. So, I took the roasts and learned a few things.
Here's the thing. Let's say, for debating sake, that it is true. A Savage or other comparable budget rifle turns out to be good and shoots an average of 1 MOA over 20 to 50 rounds. Great, go win some competitions with it. Because you will not win anything here. And people do get set in their ways. Even if you do succeed and prove the guys here wrong, who cares? Log out and never return. Go off and be the god-king of cheap precision rifles.
And yes, cheap rifles can perform well and I have a few and they have performed well. But I also don't brag them up here. Sometimes, getting along with people to learn something means keeping one's mouth shut. Trust me, that is the hardest thing for me to do.
Stating the immaturity or lack of emotional balance here is going to get lost in the noise of us howler monkeys. We simply do not care.
