Rifle Scopes TT315M alternative, or the mid-range to rule them all?

[heavy65]

Not to kill the thread but check out the link above. I have used some Meopta glass on a buddies scope but it was SFP -- the FOV was great and the image really really nice.. it was a bit light and weird on feature set.. Think less PRS, more hunting... but it looks like they might be blending the two.

I am standing by to try the 3-18
https://www.meoptasportsoptics.com/us/rada/optika-6-13153-2/

Unfortunately the new cheaper line does NOT have the amazing 45' FOV of the MeoStar 2.5-15-56 I shot

This all got started for me when I bought the early SSG as a 2018 new year's present to myself, fully intending to throw a No4 on it and call it a day. That No4 was going to be a MeoStar R2 2.5-15x56 because of its excellent low light reputation, FOV, and light weight. Then as I started comparing it to other scopes, I settled instead on a Docter V6 2.5-15x56, which seemed to be almost identical except also having parallax adjustment. The Docters scopes are all but unknown here but they too enjoy an excellent reputation in Europe (Germany in particular of course), and IIRC Ilya reviewed a 2-12 and found it to be good in low light, so the decision was all but made. Then life intervened (to include the Docter being OOS everywhere) and the SSG remained in the safe while I dealt with other stuff. In the meantime I discovered that there is in fact a lightweight FFP scope called the TT315M, and once the Gen3XR was announced I knew that that perfect ideal made more sense than buying multiple ~$1-$1.5k scopes. So this all started for me with a Meopta - far from killing this thread you're bringing it back!

One of those with their new Dichroic No4 does sound really interesting to me, not for this particular gun though:
https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/dichroic-reticles.6901597/

From that thread:
"For the remainder of this year, the Dichroic Reticle is going to be made available in the R1 3-12x56 FFP and SFP. More options are definitely in the works, however..."

Depending on how this year shakes out, I've had my eye on some classic hunting rifles. Those would just beg for such a scope.

And who knows, maybe Meopta could pick up this lightweight hybrid hunter/tactical torch and introduce a FFP 2.5-15x56 with parallax and tactical turrets/rets. That would be the cat's ass. For now though I'm still primarily interested in something more like the PST/XTR to tide me over while I wait for the TT315M Gen3XR, as those would so easily find a forever home on an AR upper unlike any No4s. Or getting a TT315M Gen2XR and flipping it for a loss if/when a Gen3XR emerges.

 

[heavy65]

Also, in regard to the specs coming down a bit, keep in mind early on we did not have anything concrete, birddog shared some information based on what he was given and who knows what was said, it still has very impressive specs even if it's not completely what we were hoping based on early comments.

Absolutely, I wasn't disappointed in the hype train per se, just that the weight and FOV didn't instantly match the PST Gen II.

 

[koshkin]

This all got started for me when I bought the early SSG as a new year's present to myself, fully intending to throw a No4 on it and call it a day. That No4 was going to be a MeoStar R2 2.5-15x56 because of its excellent low light reputation, FOV, and light weight. Then as I started comparing it to other scopes, I settled instead on a Docter V6 2.5-15x56, which seemed to be almost identical except also having parallax adjustment. The Docters scopes are all but unknown here but they too enjoy an excellent reputation in Europe (Germany in particular of course), and IIRC Ilya reviewed a 2-12 and found it to be good in low light, so the decision was all but made. Then life intervened (to include the Docter being OOS everywhere) and the SSG remained in the safe while I dealt with other stuff. In the meantime I discovered that there is in fact a lightweight FFP scope called the TT315M, and once the Gen3XR was announced I knew that that perfect ideal made more sense than buying multiple ~$1-$1.5k scopes. So this all started for me with a Meopta - far from killing this thread you're bringing it back!

One of those with their new Dichroic No4 does sound really interesting to me, not for this particular gun though:
https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/dichroic-reticles.6901597/

From that thread:
"For the remainder of this year, the Dichroic Reticle is going to be made available in the R1 3-12x56 FFP and SFP. More options are definitely in the works, however..."

Depending on how this year shakes out, I've had my eye on some classic hunting rifles. Those would just beg for such a scope.

And who knows, maybe Meopta could pick up this lightweight hybrid hunter/tactical torch and introduce a FFP 2.5-15x56 with parallax and tactical turrets/rets. That would be the cat's ass. For now though I'm still primarily interested in something more like the PST/XTR to tide me over while I wait for the TT315M Gen3XR, as those would so easily find a forever home on an AR upper unlike any No4s. Or getting a TT315M Gen2XR and flipping it for a loss if/when a Gen3XR emerges.

If you get a TT315M with Gen 2XR, you will be unlikely to ever get rid of it. It is one of the few scopes I won that will some day be pried from my cold dead hands. It has superb low light performance and the illumination is very good for low light use. The reticle is basically a plex at 3x which is what I want. I can use the tree comfortably from 6x upwards.

On low power, I want a simple aiming point. I do not want to see the tree and that is one of the advantages of FFP scopes.

Given this whole discussion, honestly, you should either get a TT315M and be done with it, or pick up a Meopta 3-12x56 with #4B if you want a couple of holdovers or #4C Dichroic is you want something that kinda glows inthe dark (it doesn't actually glows, but you know what I mean).

That is your ticket to low light.

PST Gen 2 3-15x44FFP is one of my favourite scopes on the market today and it es excellent in low light given the objective diameter, but it is not in the same league as 50mm TT or 56mm Meostar in low light.

ILya

 

[Glassaholic]

Absolutely, I wasn't disappointed in the hype train per se, just that the weight and FOV didn't instantly match the PST Gen II.

Sure, one thing to keep in mind is the PST II is a 30mm tube and 44mm objective while the XTR III is a 34mm tube and 50mm objective, with that in mind and how short the XTR III is I am impressed it came in under 30oz albeit right under, but under none the less. Sure, we wish there would be something that could match the Leupold Mark 6 3-18 but that scope has many known issues, even the new Mark 5 3.6-18 has some issues but weighs more, I think Leupold sacrificed too much when making the Mark 6 so lightweight, it's a balance between durability, weight and optical/mechanical excellence especially in these ultra short designs. For the PRS and other comp crowd weight may not be so much an issue, just look at the popularity of the 3lb Razor Gen II, but for those of us looking for a hunter/long range rig we definitely want FFP and lighter weight, seems like manufacturers are starting to catch on. Initially this is what made the March 3-24x52 so appealing, but for the aforementioned issues you have to make some sacrifices, but many are okay with those sacrifices.

 

[Glassaholic]

If you get a TT315M with Gen 2XR, you will be unlikely to ever get rid of it. It is one of the few scopes I won that will some day be pried from my cold dead hands. It has superb low light performance and the illumination is very good for low light use. The reticle is basically a plex at 3x which is what I want. I can use the tree comfortably from 6x upwards.

On low power, I want a simple aiming point. I do not want to see the tree and that is one of the advantages of FFP scopes.

Given this whole discussion, honestly, you should either get a TT315M and be done with it, or pick up a Meopta 3-12x56 with #4B if you want a couple of holdovers or #4C Dichroic is you want something that kinda glows inthe dark (it doesn't actually glows, but you know what I mean).

That is your ticket to low light.

PST Gen 2 3-15x44FFP is one of my favourite scopes on the market today and it es excellent in low light given the objective diameter, but it is not in the same league as 50mm TT or 56mm Meostar in low light.

ILya

I would not hesitate to trust ILya's recommendations. Sometimes you can find used TT315M's in the classifieds in the low to mid $2k price point, you can even sometimes find Premier LT 3-15's with Gen 2XR for around $1500 (I saw one go for $1300 last year that I wish I would have jumped on!) Just to give you an idea, here is some through the scope pics so you can see how the reticle looks, a lot of shooters said the Gen 2XR reticle was too fine in the 3-15 but I did not have much of an issue with mine especially with illumination when the light gets low. Do not judge IQ based on through the scope images, this is for reticle reference alone.

Hard to see in this image but I could easily pick out the crosshairs and .5 mil hash marks at 3x

 

[heavy65]

If you get a TT315M with Gen 2XR, you will be unlikely to ever get rid of it. It is one of the few scopes I won that will some day be pried from my cold dead hands. It has superb low light performance and the illumination is very good for low light use. The reticle is basically a plex at 3x which is what I want. I can use the tree comfortably from 6x upwards.

On low power, I want a simple aiming point. I do not want to see the tree and that is one of the advantages of FFP scopes.

Given this whole discussion, honestly, you should either get a TT315M and be done with it...

I think that you're probably right, given that the only scenario in which I'd likely to replace it would be with another TT315M.

What do you have it mounted in? Was thinking either APA rings, a Spuhr Hunting series solid mount, or a Bobro.

Would folks have a recommendation on a TT vendor?

 

[heavy65]

I would not hesitate to trust ILya's recommendations. Sometimes you can find used TT315M's in the classifieds in the low to mid $2k price point, you can even sometimes find Premier LT 3-15's with Gen 2XR for around $1500 (I saw one go for $1300 last year that I wish I would have jumped on!) Just to give you an idea, here is some through the scope pics so you can see how the reticle looks, a lot of shooters said the Gen 2XR reticle was too fine in the 3-15 but I did not have much of an issue with mine especially with illumination when the light gets low. Do not judge IQ based on through the scope images, this is for reticle reference alone.

Hard to see in this image but I could easily pick out the crosshairs and .5 mil hash marks at 3x

Those pics are fantastic. I didn't really have any fears about the ret at 3x but those would allay them. You don't happen to have any illuminated examples do you?

I will keep an eye out on the classifieds, seem to usually be MOA in the TT315M but that is a great idea given the warranty.

 

[Diver160651]

In the meantime I discovered that there is in fact a lightweight FFP scope called the TT315M,

Or getting a TT315M Gen2XR and flipping it for a loss if/when a Gen3XR emerges.

You know, it weighs the same as the PSTII with just a hair less FOV -- I paid about 850 for my 3-15 FFP new - hard to do 4K for the TT even if hands down better. When I really am honest with myself, I don't dial a hunting scope much

While I go hunting a fair amount of days, I only "actual shoot" few shots a year, where as my match guns get thousands. Sadly, I am as sick as a lot of you on here, even though I usual shoot a match around 12x, I feed my match rifles 5-25s from SB, USO, ATCAR, Minox, and Kahles - and really want a TT525 gen3, at some point I have to stop this crazy stuff.

I agree with what koshkin, you and wjm308 with most of what you guys said , but dang I can see myself letting 4k sit, until my freezer get low enough to send me out again. That said, I mount up a TT if the price was something I could easily hide from my controller

 

[Langford]

When is vortex going to listen and come out with a 4-16 or even better, a 3-15 or 4-20 Razor AMG? 30mm tube, close to 20 oz, illuminated ebr-7b reticle, with the same turrets as the 6-24. Hey...I can dream, right?

 

[Glassaholic]

I think that you're probably right, given that the only scenario in which I'd likely to replace it would be with another TT315M.

What do you have it mounted in? Was thinking either APA rings, a Spuhr Hunting series solid mount, or a Bobro.

Would folks have a recommendation on a TT vendor?

Mounts are going to add a little more weight, my preference is ARC M10 ring's, I'm actually selling an ARC M10 QD-L 30mm with 20 MOA cant but would not recommend if your rail already has a cant as the 315M doesn't have the greatest amount of travel.

For Vendor I'd recommend Eurooptic or CS Tactical, whoever you use, I highly recommend you call them and ask them for their best Hide deal, there's not much wiggle room with TT's but they can usually treat you right when you call and ask. Mike or Richard at CS Tactical and Jason at Eurooptic.

 

[koshkin]

I think that you're probably right, given that the only scenario in which I'd likely to replace it would be with another TT315M.

What do you have it mounted in? Was thinking either APA rings, a Spuhr Hunting series solid mount, or a Bobro.

Would folks have a recommendation on a TT vendor?

Pick your favorite vendor. Several people here carry them. Doug from Cameraland just signed up to be a dealer with TT. Doug is a friend and he stands behind his customer, but truth be told, most Hide vendors will have your back if anything happens. I've known the guys at CS Tactical, Euro Optics, and a few others for years. They are all good people.

However, they will all tell you that Andy Weber (owner of TT) is a gentleman and he stands behind his product. He himself was (or maybe still is) on a Canadian shooting team and he uses TT315M. That scope exists because he wanted it.

I do not touch anything Spuhr with a ten foot pole (political and personal reasons, nothing to do with the product itself). Bobro is good stuff if you want QD. I've never used APA rings, so I can not tell you anything about them.

For a single piece mount, I use Aadmount almost exclusively and that is easily my favorite from what I used, but a lot of that is simply an issue of trust and experience. I have had a dozen or so go through my hands and they have been just about bulletproof. The guy who makes them (Jon) is a very good mechanical engineer and I trust his judgement.

 

[heavy65]

You know, it weighs the same as the PSTII with just a hair less FOV -- I paid about 850 for my 3-15 FFP new - hard to do 4K for the TT even if hands down better. When I really am honest with myself, I don't dial a hunting scope much
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I agree with what koshkin, you and wjm308 with most of what you guys said , but dang I can see myself letting 4k sit, until my freezer get low enough to send me out again. That said, I mount up a TT if the price was something I could easily hide from my controller

Thing is, the TT315M is a ~$3k not a 4k scope. Part of what makes it unbeatable. You know you wanna.. And the SSG is a switch barrel, so if it can do more than one thing its scope should be able to as well. That's a big part of this for me.

I hope that if nothing else, by channeling all this (ultimately futile?) purchasing angst into this thread, that this is something that will help TT listen to Ilya's ret ideas, and to sell some more 3-15s. Hopefully it will make a good reference for people in the same boat. I think the conclusion is that there's really nothing out there that competes with the TT315M, but I'd definitely like to see it and any challengers continue to improve.

 

[Glassaholic]

Those pics are fantastic. I didn't really have any fears about the ret at 3x but those would allay them. You don't happen to have any illuminated examples do you?

I will keep an eye out on the classifieds, seem to usually be MOA in the TT315M but that is a great idea given the warranty.

I've tried to get illuminated pics when the light gets low but I'm too lazy to setup my tripod which is what is needed in low light to capture a decent image. The Premier LT did not have what I would consider daylight bright illumination; however, it was more than sufficient in low light or even in dark brush/shadows to give it a little extra oomph. I've done illuminated pics with other scopes that are daylight bright to show how well they do during the day, but again those don't need the tripod to capture so a lot easier.

 

[koshkin]

When is vortex going to listen and come out with a 4-16 or even better, a 3-15 or 4-20 Razor AMG? 30mm tube, close to 20 oz, illuminated ebr-7b reticle, with the same turrets as the 6-24. Hey...I can dream, right?

Vortex has a ton of stuff in the works, but most of it I can't talk about until they give me the OK.

There is always something good on the horizon, but if you wait for something, you can keep waiting forever because there is always something else coming.

Given how good the stuff currently available is, I'd rather pick from that and have a blast using it.

ILya

 

[koshkin]

You know, it weighs the same as the PSTII with just a hair less FOV -- I paid about 850 for my 3-15 FFP new - hard to do 4K for the TT even if hands down better. When I really am honest with myself, I don't dial a hunting scope much

While I go hunting a fair amount of days, I only "actual shoot" few shots a year, where as my match guns get thousands. Sadly, I am as sick as a lot of you on here, even though I usual shoot a match around 12x, I feed my match rifles 5-25s from SB, USO, ATCAR, Minox, and Kahles - and really want a TT525 gen3, at some point I have to stop this crazy stuff.

I agree with what koshkin, you and wjm308 with most of what you guys said , but dang I can see myself letting 4k sit, until my freezer get low enough to send me out again. That said, I mount up a TT if the price was something I could easily hide from my controller

TT315M is $3200, I think. $4k+ is for the 34mm scopes with different turrets.

ILya

 

[Diver160651]

When is vortex going to listen and come out with a 4-16 or even better, a 3-15 or 4-20 Razor AMG? 30mm tube, close to 20 oz, illuminated ebr-7b reticle, with the same turrets as the 6-24. Hey...I can dream, right?

? Vortex really upgraded the 4-16.. the certainly have been one of the companies listening.

The 4-14 when from 27'-7.4' to 41.2-8.6' with way way better turrets and Razor zero adjustment but it is about 6oz heaver (the turrets) than the 4-16..

But ya, I am with you I would like to see and AMG 3-15 with and no skimp on FOV for hunting..

 

[Diver160651]

TT315M is $3200, I think. $4k+ is for the 34mm scopes with different turrets.

ILya

Any idea who would warrantee a used Premier is TT?

 

[heavy65]

I've tried to get illuminated pics when the light gets low but I'm too lazy to setup my tripod which is what is needed in low light to capture a decent image. The Premier LT did not have what I would consider daylight bright illumination; however, it was more than sufficient in low light or even in dark brush/shadows to give it a little extra oomph. I've done illuminated pics with other scopes that are daylight bright to show how well they do during the day, but again those don't need the tripod to capture so a lot easier.

Yeah, I'm less concerned with daylight bright than I am with the thing not searing my retinas at dusk, but I hear you about capturing photos in those conditions. The super blood wolf omgwtf moon the other day was a good reminder.

There is always something good on the horizon, but if you wait for something, you can keep waiting forever because there is always something else coming.

Given how good the stuff currently available is, I'd rather pick from that and have a blast using it.

See Diver, you didn't need to worry about killing the thread because Ilya just did. Waiting on a Gen3XR is silly, and trading is always an option. Ilya the riflescope therapist. I'd make an Arrested Development joke but there could be kids watching.

 

[Glassaholic]

If TT made a 4-20x50 with Gen 3XR that was less than 30oz I think I would fork over $4k to get one! ZCO has their ZC420 but at almost 35oz it's too much for what I want the scope to be (of course I'm a hypocrite because I have a K318i), but a TT420M at 30oz with 10 mil turrets would just about make me cry But that takes me all the way back to the XTR III 3.3-18 and my "hope" for what I want that scope to be and by no means do I expect it to be TT or even Kahles good, but if it's a step above the PST II then I think they'll sell a boatload of them.

 

[Diver160651]

See Diver, you didn't need to worry about killing the thread because Ilya just did. Waiting on a Gen3XR is silly, and trading is always an option. Ilya the riflescope therapist. I'd make an Arrested Development joke but there could be kids watching.

Ya, then he tossed this EMP grenade that will render all the future electro optics and your illumination useless. koshkin Vortex has a ton of stuff in the works, but most of it I can't talk about until they give me the OK.

 

[Glassaholic]

Any idea who would warrantee a used Premier is TT?

Tangent will warranty certain serial numbers and rumor has it they will do their best to help you out if it's not, even offering a discount on a TT if they can't fix it. Sounds like a great company, in fact, another Hider accidentally overtorqued his TT315M, he was heartbroken but I encouraged him to send it into TT and be honest, and they took care of him, no questions! That's service!

 

[Glassaholic]

Ya, then he tossed this EMP grenade that will render all the future electro optics and your illumination useless. koshkin Vortex has a ton of stuff in the works, but most of it I can't talk about until they give me the OK.


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Yah, did you catch that little bomb from ILya! The one good thing I found out with Vortex is they are going to announce optics throughout the year now, in the past they only announced at SHOT, but a little bird told me there is some stuff the AMG team is working on (not necessarily that it will be branded AMG, but the AMG team is working on it) that may be released sometime later this year. Sounds like ILya know's what it might be and if we interrogate him enough he might let something slip but sounds like good things are coming from Vortex and we don't have to wait until SHOT to hear about them. I have been begging Vortex to introduce an AMG ultra short 4-20 for some years now, but unfortunately I do not think that is the scope in the works at this time. I will say this, the more people who ask the more it might move up on the development list.

 

[Diver160651]

Yah, did you catch that little bomb from ILya! The one good thing I found out with Vortex is they are going to announce optics throughout the year now, in the past they only announced at SHOT, but a little bird told me there is some stuff the AMG team is working on (not necessarily that it will be branded AMG, but the AMG team is working on it) that may be released sometime later this year. Sounds like ILya know's what it might be and if we interrogate him enough he might let something slip but sounds like good things are coming from Vortex and we don't have to wait until SHOT to hear about them. I have been begging Vortex to introduce an AMG ultra short 4-20 for some years now, but unfortunately I do not think that is the scope in the works at this time. I will say this, the more people who ask the more it might move up on the development list.

Ya, with guy's coming out of the woodwork like Athlon setting their marketing squarely on Vortex as Vortex did with their spotters to Swaro, they should not wait for shot.. To much to fast is being dropped into the precision rifle space to wait.

Anybody up for waterboarding ILya? We need the info...

 

[koshkin]

Waterboarding ILya will ultimately prove unfruitful. I am fat enough to float on any water with minimal discomfort.

Vortex decided that when they announce something, it should be ready for shipping or close to it, rather than announcing stuff well in advance during SHOT and than dealing with a bunch of people who can't handle delayed gratification (that's my take on it, not Vortex').

My original comment stands: there are plenty of good products available and it makes no sense to wait for something nebulously better that is just around the corner.

That having been said, just to piss you off, what Vortex is planning should be really cool and I am already preparing a rifle just for that.

I bet I can torture you more with random vague statements than you could ever do to me with whatever internet waterboarding you had in mind.

ILya

 

[Diver160651]

Waterboarding ILya will ultimately prove unfruitful. I am fat enough to float on any water with minimal discomfort.

Vortex decided that when they announce something, it should be ready for shipping or close to it, rather than announcing stuff well in advance during SHOT and than dealing with a bunch of people who can't handle delayed gratification (that's my take on it, not Vortex').

My original comment stands: there are plenty of good products available and it makes no sense to wait for something nebulously better that is just around the corner.

That having been said, just to piss you off, what Vortex is planning should be really cool and I am already preparing a rifle just for that.

I bet I can torture you more with random vague statements than you could ever do to me with whatever internet waterboarding you had in mind.

ILya

great post

 

[B-P-UU]

315M in 30mm .856" APA rings. I use APA's quite a bit and like them alot on hunting rifles. Barrel is a Bart #3 for reference.

 

[Diver160651]

315M in 30mm .856" APA rings. I use APA's quite a bit and like them alot on hunting rifles. Barrel is a Bart #3 for reference.

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What is your weight as it sits? -- of course + a 6-8oz sling

 

[B-P-UU]

What is your weight as it sits? -- of course + a 6-8oz sling

Bare rifle was around 8 lbs-4 oz. I want to say 10-10.5 lbs as it sits with atlas, but can't remember.

 

[kingston]

315M in 30mm .856" APA rings. I use APA's quite a bit and like them alot on hunting rifles. Barrel is a Bart #3 for reference.

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Do you have a picture and details on that comb riser?

Also, this is another example of having to mount the TT315M in higher rings on a LA. On a non-extended SA you would have been able to use APA 30mm 0.75”.

 

[Diver160651]

Bare rifle was around 8 lbs-4 oz. I want to say 10-10.5 lbs as it sits with atlas, but can't remember.

Very nice but I bet with the base, rings caps, scope, sling and Atlas your +3lbs over base rifle — I hate that this stuff adds up so fast. Jealous of the TT

 

[Glassaholic]

That having been said, just to piss you off, what Vortex is planning should be really cool and I am already preparing a rifle just for that.

ILya

How about you share the specs of said rifle that is awaiting the mysterious Vortex scope

 

[Moose]

315M in 30mm .856" APA rings. I use APA's quite a bit and like them alot on hunting rifles. Barrel is a Bart #3 for reference.Sweet looking rig, what stock is that?.I just love my TT315M it is a great scope.

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[koshkin]

How about you share the specs of said rifle that is awaiting the mysterious Vortex scope

Trying to be cute about it? Good luck with that.

Taking a cue from our wonderfully competent mass media, it is a full semi-auto bolt action design

ILya

 

[Glassaholic]

Trying to be cute about it? Good luck with that.

Taking a cue from our wonderfully competent mass media, it is a full semi-auto bolt action design

ILya

Oh excellent, using US news media filters, you are building a fully automatic rail gun that can be sold to anyone online without an FFL and avoiding all background checks

Back to the OP's topic, can you tell us anymore about the new Meopta Optika line as I've been looking at them more and am curious about their features? Do all their new scopes in this line look good, what reticles did you see at SHOT, anything not to like about them and finally, how many mils per turn of the turrets?

More to the point, do you think the Optika 3-18x56 FFP could be a viable alternative to the Hensoldt 4-16x56 or the Schmidt Ultra Bright 4-16x56 FFP scopes?

UPDATE: I just saw the prices of these scopes over on BigJimFish's post, the entire Optika line falls within $500 - $900 retail, at those prices I can't imagine them being anywhere close to Hensoldt or Schmidt in optical/mechanical quality

 

[Glassaholic]

https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/new-meopta-scope-optika6.6922349/#post-7497281

Not to kill the thread but check out the link above. I have used some Meopta glass on a buddies scope but it was SFP -- the FOV was great and the image really really nice.. it was a bit light and weird on feature set.. Think less PRS, more hunting... but it looks like they might be blending the two.

I am standing by to try the 3-18
https://www.meoptasportsoptics.com/us/rada/optika-6-13153-2/

Unfortunately the new cheaper line does NOT have the amazing 45' FOV of the MeoStar 2.5-15-56 I shot

I saw that the new Optika line does not have the greatest FOV but not the worst either, but the pricing of the scopes are all under $1000, this has the potential to be a big seller to the hunting market that would like something a little more tactical oriented but more along the budget of the Zeiss Conquest crowd (which oddly enough were made by Meopta). I'm really curious about the FFP 3-18x56, but also the 1-6x24 for an AR build... with a retail of $499 I wonder what street price will come in at for these. I was really impressed with the Zeiss Conquest line for its price vs optical performance, if Meopta managed to maintain at least the same level of optical quality at the prices they're asking, these could take a real bite out of the Conquest market and even some other markets if they are reliable mechanically.

 

[koshkin]

I'll have more on Meopta a little later. I have a lot of stuff from SHOT to go through, including an interview with the Meopta guy.

I think Optika6 will do really well, but a sub-$1000 scope is not designed to compete with a $3k S&B.

ILya

 

[B-P-UU]

Very nice but I bet with the base, rings caps, scope, sling and Atlas your +3lbs over base rifle — I hate that this stuff adds up so fast. Jealous of the TT

Yeah, you're probably right.. it wasn't on there for long and now I'm questioning if I even weighed it in this configuration.

 

[B-P-UU]

Do you have a picture and details on that comb riser?

Also, this is another example of having to mount the TT315M in higher rings on a LA. On a non-extended SA you would have been able to use APA 30mm 0.75”.

It's a rubber riser.. made by God'A grip. I really like them for consistent cheek weld and cold weather.

Here's a better pic of my match rifle.

This one is the "Hi-Point Carbine" version on their website. I use this one on fixed stocks as well.

 

[Diver160651]

It's a rubber riser.. made by God'A grip. I really like them for consistent cheek weld and cold weather.

Here's a better pic of my match rifle.

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This one is the "Hi-Point Carbine" version on their website. I use this one on fixed stocks as well.

What did you shoot on your match gun before the foundation?

I have both a T4-A and a AX.. I like each very very much.. but the Foundations look sexy

 

[B-P-UU]

What did you shoot on your match gun before the foundation?

I have both a T4-A and a AX.. I like each very very much.. but the Foundations look sexy

Bighorn/J-Allen

Moved to a lone Peak fuzion and foundation last year. The bighorn is a hunting rig now sporting your favorite scope.. 4-16 ATACR.

 

[kingston]

It's a rubber riser.. made by God'A grip. I really like them for consistent cheek weld and cold weather.

Here's a better pic of my match rifle.

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This one is the "Hi-Point Carbine" version on their website. I use this one on fixed stocks as well.

Thanks. Is it removable? I’m thinking EH-1 and getting a rod to the bore w/o pulling the stock. I’ll check them out, maybe it could be applied with Dual Lock.

 

[Glassaholic]

Thanks. Is it removable? I’m thinking EH-1 and getting a rod to the bore w/o pulling the stock. I’ll check them out, maybe it could be applied with Dual Lock.

That’s why I like Triad’s Stock Pack, enough height and extra storage for tools, magazine, field kit, ammo or whatever I think I’ll need. Plus it’s easily removed for cleaning with guide and rod.

 

[kingston]

That’s why I like Triad’s Stock Pack, enough height and extra storage for tools, magazine, field kit, ammo or whatever I think I’ll need. Plus it’s easily removed for cleaning with guide and rod.

I seek to get beyond straps and bulk, especially on the EH-1’s canoe paddle butt stock. The little pockets on my AGC chest pouch accommodate small essentials. My apologies to the OP as we veer off course. Grin.

 

[Diver160651]

On my tikka superlite I run a lightweight pad in a thin sleeve..
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It is a PITA to install but can slide out of the way for cleaning.

but I like the idea of the Velcro and pad. I am going to order one.

 

[JGRJR]

Could someone comment on the TT315 vs the Kahles 3-18i?

 

[Glassaholic]

Could someone comment on the TT315 vs the Kahles 3-18i?

What do you want to know? The TT is going to be tops in overall IQ, but the Kahles is no slouch. Kahles K318i is my favorite ultra short right now, I've had both Schmidt's Ultra Shorts and my favorite of the two was the 5-20, the K318i was better optically than my US 3-20 at the top end. TT focuses to 50y while Kahles goes to 25y, Kahles has top parallax and better illumination and a better reticle (until TT comes out with the Gen 3XR in the 315M). The TT is lighter but the Kahles is shorter. Kahles has 30 mil of elevation while TT has 12 mil after you zero, it is a double turn 6 mil turret. TT has wider FOV but stops at 15x while Kahles has less FOV but not bad and goes to 18x.

 

[JGRJR]

Thanks for including the SB info too. Which reticle do you like from Kahles?

 

[Glassaholic]

Thanks for including the SB info too. Which reticle do you like from Kahles?

I've had the SKMR and SKMR3, I'm using the SKMR3 with the K318i. I like both, it is a tiny dot that sometimes gets lost though so the illumination helps there. My favorite tree reticle is the MR4 from Minox, I prefer the dots vs the solid lines in the tree section, but I can use both effectively.

 

[B-P-UU]

Thanks. Is it removable? I’m thinking EH-1 and getting a rod to the bore w/o pulling the stock. I’ll check them out, maybe it could be applied with Dual Lock.

It is not.. the back side is adhesive, but does not damage the stock or paint when removing. 1 time application.

Rod works perfectly with the one I have on an EH1.. no clearance issue (but a taller one would interfere).

 

[B-P-UU]

That’s why I like Triad’s Stock Pack, enough height and extra storage for tools, magazine, field kit, ammo or whatever I think I’ll need. Plus it’s easily removed for cleaning with guide and rod.

I always keep my purse in the truck when hunting.. don't like it attached to my stock.