Ukraine war Bullshit.

[Bigfatcock]

Zelenskyy outlines his vision for peace talks, NATO's future and what he would say to Putin

In an interview on NBC News’ “Meet the Press,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy laid out his vision for ending the war in his country in partnership with President Donald Trump — making clear that he would never accept a peace deal negotiated by the U.S. and Russia without Ukraine at the...

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US presented Ukraine with a document to access its minerals but offered almost nothing in return

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says he directed his ministers not to sign off on a proposed agreement to give the United States access to Ukraine’s rare earth minerals because the document was too focused on U.S. interests. The proposal, which was a key part of Zelenskyy’s talks with...

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[clcustom1911]

Starmer be like

 

[Bigfatcock]

Ukraine and Ukrainians got used hard by the WEF cabal.

They aligned with the wrong side, for the wrong reasons. They were used to weaken russia and launder money through their country. They lost a generation so that Blackrock, our dipshit politicians, and other nefarious players could line their pockets.

Now trump is shutting it down. Trump wants 50% of their rare earth minerals as compensation for U.S. Aid, and is in talks with russia, and Ukraine isn’t even invited, lol.

UK/NATO/EU is going to abandon ukraine because they (UK/NATO/EU) are a bunch of pussies and weak countries who have been riding on the coattails of the U.S.

Epic fail of epic proportions. Straight up Kurds 2.0.

That has to sting. Ukrainians need to dump that fag zelensky and all of his cronies because he destroyed your country following false promises, in hopes of enriching himself.

 

[Threadcutter308]

Ukraine and Ukrainians got used hard by the WEF cabal.

They aligned with the wrong side, for the wrong reasons. They were used to weaken russia and launder money through their country. They lost a generation so that Blackrock, our dipshit politicians, and other nefarious players could line their pockets.

Now trump is shutting it down. Trump wants 50% of their rare earth minerals as compensation for U.S. Aid, and is in talks with russia, and Ukraine isn’t even invited, lol.

UK/NATO/EU is going to abandon ukraine because they (UK/NATO/EU) are a bunch of pussies and weak countries who have been riding on the coattails of the U.S.

Epic fail of epic proportions. Straight up Kurds 2.0.

That has to sting. Ukrainians need to dump that fag zelensky and all of his cronies because he destroyed your country following false promises, in hopes of enriching himself.

"in hopes of enriching himself".

Mission accomplished.

 

[lariat]

Ukraine can gripe about the rare earths, but they gave land as collateral to Blackrock so there is precedent there. Nobody seems to want to understand that Ukraine was always going to lose, even if they beat Russia. Someone was going to own Ukraine and it wasn’t going to be Ukraine. It got carved up when this whole thing started, now the fighting is to see who gets what.

There is no more Ukraine. It may be on the map, but it has been taken or sold outright.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Fucking Lindsey Gram... I can't see him as much of a fighter, though he seems willing to start a lot of shit.

Now trump is shutting it down. Trump wants 50% of their rare earth minerals as compensation for U.S. Aid, and is in talks with russia, and Ukraine isn’t even invited, lol.

Because Zelenskys term ended in May of last year, they don't see him as a legitimate president. According to Ukraines constitution the power falls back to the house of representatives. That is how Russia see's it. So why would they even recognize him.

 

[Bigfatcock]

Fucking Lindsey Gram... I can't see him as much of a fighter, though he seems willing to start a lot of shit.


Because Zelenskys term ended in May of last year, they don't see him as a legitimate president. According to Ukraines constitution the power falls back to the house of representatives. That is how Russia see's it. So why would they even recognize him.

Correct, and they aren’t. ukraine got boned so hard.

 

[WasNH4X]

Ukraine can gripe about the rare earths, but they gave land as collateral to Blackrock so there is precedent there. Nobody seems to want to understand that Ukraine was always going to lose, even if they beat Russia. Someone was going to own Ukraine and it wasn’t going to be Ukraine. It got carved up when this whole thing started, now the fighting is to see who gets what.

There is no more Ukraine. It may be on the map, but it has been taken or sold outright.

And the more that is exposed about how and who was involved in "meddling" in Ukraine for quite some time , it appears to have been the plan all along.

 

[theLBC]

could be disinformation

 

[Bigfatcock]

Ukraine's President Zelenskyy travels to United Arab Emirates as momentum grows for war peace talks

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy met with the leader of the United Arab Emirates on Monday as momentum grows for potential peace talks ending Moscow's war on the country. U.S. President Donald Trump last week suggested he would be meeting Russian President Vladimir Putin in Saudi Arabia.

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Some fag actually said that ukraine is the defender of europe.

European leaders to hold emergency summit on Ukraine as Trump peace push leaves them isolated

European leaders are set to hold an emergency summit Monday on Ukraine amid growing concern that the Trump administration’s push to work with Russia to end the war has left them isolated.

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euro-fags big mad that they might have to contribute to shit on their own.

 

[232593]

Plus all the blowhards think the Russians will just sit there and watch as we move massive amounts of troops to get ready to fight them and then wait nicely for us to go invade and then be all nice and simply let us kill them so we can feel glorious.

I guess that's what happens when you fight sand people for so long and can't even keep the win at that.

Most of western Europe, eastern Europe and western Russia will be a radioactive wasteland shortly after USA troops start pouring across into Russia.

Unlike us, the Russians understand and are willing to do what must be done in the event their homeland is being overrun and won't hesitate to do the needful even if it means scorching part of their own country.

Do you think if China was pouring troops across our border with Mexico or Canada that we wouldn't be giving it everything and I do mean everything we could to get rid of them, mutant cockroaches be damned?

Also once USA troops start going into Russia hot, well everything is now go for it when it comes to anything the Russians and the Chinese can do to the USA itself or interests or assets abroad.

The Russians also have a numerical quantitative operational/tactical nuclear advantage. We foolishly divested of our equivalent capability in the 90s under Bush I & Clinton. So presently our escalation options are a bit limited.

Speaking of radioactivity & other nuclear effects. Ryan McBeth on one of his YouTube episodes mentioned that the “Nuclear Winter” concept was propaganda funded by the Soviets. So it makes a person wonder what the true effects of a limited nuclear exchange would look like and if they would be as bad as certain people make them out to be.

 

[kalashnikev]

Ryan McBeth on one of his YouTube episodes...

HAHAHAHAHAHAAaaaahaha!

That's you, isn't it?

 

[NoDopes]

Russia is going to get whatever the fuck it wants. The only question is how many more Ukrainians will die before they admit it.

It's actually pretty fucking sad to watch all this shit. As well as the neocons still pushing this war from elsewhere.

 

[W54/XM-388]

The Russians also have a numerical quantitative operational/tactical nuclear advantage. We foolishly divested of our equivalent capability in the 90s under Bush I & Clinton. So presently our escalation options are a bit limited.

Speaking of radioactivity & other nuclear effects. Ryan McBeth on one of his YouTube episodes mentioned that the “Nuclear Winter” concept was propaganda funded by the Soviets. So it makes a person wonder what the true effects of a limited nuclear exchange would look like and if they would be as bad as certain people make them out to be.

So after we dropped some really dirty nuclear bombs on 2 cities in Japan they well bulldozed over the top of it and rebuilt the cities.
Slightly higher cancer rates, but that's life.

But I'd be really disappointed if we don't get that promised Nuclear Winter, I was counting on that to freeze all the stupid greenies and earth worshipers and carbon cultists into ice blocks and get rid of a bunch of troublesome and demanding natives.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Russia is going to get whatever the fuck it wants. The only question is how many more Ukrainians will die before they admit it.

It's actually pretty fucking sad to watch all this shit. As well as the neocons still pushing this war from elsewhere.

I'd add "our side" got all we wanted as in tons of corrupt money lining everybody's pockets and lots of folks both political and industrial getting nicely paid.
Peace will probably be quick once the money is no longer on offer.

 

[Bigfatcock]

I'd add "our side" got all we wanted as in tons of corrupt money lining everybody's pockets and lots of folks both political and industrial getting nicely paid.
Peace will probably be quick once the money is no longer on offer.

Plus we got to attrit russia, and test a bunch of shit without having to feed another generation of American youth into the grinder to save the sovereignty of some foreign fucks.

I’ve been saying it since the beginning how stupid this whole fiasco is, but all the bleeding hearts, warmongers, and retards we’re all like ‘Slava Ukraine’ and beating off to ghost of ukraine stories.

 

[kalashnikev]

Russia is going to get whatever the fuck it wants.

Don'cha just wish in your heart o'hearts...

 

[NoDopes]

Don'cha just wish in your heart o'hearts...

It's not about wishing... It's fucking reality.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

It's not about wishing... It's fucking reality.

He's in an alternate reality.

 

[Makinchips208]

But I'd be really disappointed if we don't get that promised Nuclear Winter, I was counting on that to freeze all the stupid greenies and earth worshipers and carbon cultists into ice blocks and get rid of a bunch of troublesome and demanding natives.

Take that back or you get indian burn…

 

[232593]

HAHAHAHAHAHAAaaaahaha!

That's you, isn't it?

Adults are talking.

Go back to the corner and put your dunce cap back on.

 

[232593]

Plus we got to attrit russia, and test a bunch of shit without having to feed another generation of American youth into the grinder to save the sovereignty of some foreign fucks.

I’ve been saying it since the beginning how stupid this whole fiasco is, but all the bleeding hearts, warmongers, and retards we’re all like ‘Slava Ukraine’ and beating off to ghost of ukraine stories.

Russia might have been attrited but it seems that this conflict ramped up their military production capacity and even worse, put them into an alliance with China.

 

[232593]

He's in an alternate reality.

An extremely retarded one.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Plus we got to attrit russia, and test a bunch of shit without having to feed another generation of American youth into the grinder to save the sovereignty of some foreign fucks.

That we did.
But while the Russians paid a heavy price, in the end, it probably actually will have improved their military significantly in the long run.
Basically they were beaten into having to learn what modern war looked like. Bonus was them getting a bunch of their old stupid generals blowed up.
They are fighting very differently now than they did back in the first days of the war.

The Chinese got the best deal, essentially getting to watch what modern war would look like without having to pay the price for the lesson.

 

[232593]

A fairly decent analysis of several aspects of the conflict from a credible non aligned source.

 

[232593]

So after we dropped some really dirty nuclear bombs on 2 cities in Japan they well bulldozed over the top of it and rebuilt the cities.
Slightly higher cancer rates, but that's life.

But I'd be really disappointed if we don't get that promised Nuclear Winter, I was counting on that to freeze all the stupid greenies and earth worshipers and carbon cultists into ice blocks and get rid of a bunch of troublesome and demanding natives.

Supposedly the Russians came close to opening that canned sunshine that @Gunfighter14e2 mentioned.

Go to the 8 minute mark



Rider on the Red Horse almost got to take a ride.

 

[whatsupdoc]

 

[Im2bent]

Did we "atritt" Russia? Seems putin was using the dregs as cannon fodder, then when running low got some Norkos if that actually happened

 

[theLBC]

 

[theLBC]

 

[mosin46]

That we did.
But while the Russians paid a heavy price, in the end, it probably actually will have improved their military significantly in the long run.
Basically they were beaten into having to learn what modern war looked like. Bonus was them getting a bunch of their old stupid generals blowed up.
They are fighting very differently now than they did back in the first days of the war.

The Chinese got the best deal, essentially getting to watch what modern war would look like without having to pay the price for the lesson.

the only thing we got from 20yr ME war was alot of combat hardened troops. they got shit on (but less than VN vets),disgusted and many left or were forced out. so,we really don't have most of them on active duty. that is an unquantifiable thing that the Russians did gain as well as being aware of what changes have happened in warfare. don't wish for US to have to learn the hard way. doubt most of our 40+ 4 stars have learned anything or are capable of that. yea,China got free schooling.

 

[sharac]

Based on your loud “few stars” you have
no institutional knowledge on real warfare. I could allow for a “silent” factor but based on few knowledgeable people and recent “navy steering” issues one would not hope for the best. As to the number of troops (combat) that US can actually field im pretty sure you would come up short. As situation in Ukropland showed untrained troops get killed in droves and are basically only worth their worth in meat weight. Uhm wait a sec what is the average net weight of US citizen? Fuuck you can easily beat China basically 3:1 ratio for sure .

Seriously though West is fucked at least in short term, signals from the US are that Trump is for real second time around and actually its nice to see globalists cowering in fear and squealing like a stuck pigs for a change.

 

[theLBC]

uhmm, i think american oil companies use this.

 

[theLBC]

 

[GreenGO Juan]

uhmm, i think american oil companies use this.

Putin’s pipeline: How the Kremlin outmaneuvered Western oil companies to wrest control of vast flows of Kazakhstan’s crude - ICIJ

Chevron and partners prioritized profits, enabling runaway costs and ballooning budgets worth billions as Russia deployed strong-arm tactics and steered contracts to cronies.

www.icij.org

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[theLBC]

 

[theLBC]

he's a dead man if any of the real war fighters get a hold of him.

 

[theLBC]

 

[GreenGO Juan]

 

[GreenGO Juan]

 

[mactavish]

Real warriors are fighting and dying in Ukrainian trenches with the kind of honour becoming the ultimate in human courage of men defending their women and children from fascist russian scum. Meanwhile, over here you've an odd bunch of patently yella bedroom-dwellers, many with inexplicably weird homo-erotic names, who are revelling in a pseudo-military wank-fest in a place ironically called a ‘bear pit’. #cooljuxtaposition

 

[Threadcutter308]

Real warriors are fighting and dying in Ukrainian trenches with the kind of honour becoming the ultimate in human courage of men defending their women and children from fascist russian scum. Meanwhile, over here you've an odd bunch of patently yella bedroom-dwellers, many with inexplicably weird homo-erotic names, who are revelling in a pseudo-military wank-fest in a place ironically called a ‘bear pit’. #cooljuxtaposition

You forgot to add that "we're oh so glad that you decided to grace us with your presence here".

You're welcome

 

[AZLong]

Don'cha just wish in your heart o'hearts...

Vance claims up front that Ukraine will not get into NATO or their lost country back.
Trump claims Ukraine will not get all their sovereign land back.
Trump now blames Ukraine for starting the war.

Negotiations are starting with the US blindfolded and all limbs tied behind back. And the president of the country victimized and invaded by the one we are negotiating with is excluded from negotiations. This should go well...

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Awe... the reeeee now that the adults are back in control and ending the little hissy fit.

Keep crying, your tears are tasty.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Real warriors are fighting and dying in Ukrainian trenches with the kind of honour becoming the ultimate in human courage of men defending their women and children from fascist russian scum. Meanwhile, over here you've an odd bunch of patently yella bedroom-dwellers, many with inexplicably weird homo-erotic names, who are revelling in a pseudo-military wank-fest in a place ironically called a ‘bear pit’. #cooljuxtaposition

These warriors that you speak of. Were they the same ones shelling the eastern provinces before Russia decided that killing women and children needed to stop? Fighting for their "democracy" that no longer has elections, jails anyone that has a different opinion, shuts down churches, abducts people on the street and puts them on the front lines?

 

[GreenGO Juan]

These warriors that you speak of. Were they the same ones shelling the eastern provinces before Russia decided that killing women and children needed to stop? Fighting for their "democracy" that no longer has elections, jails anyone that has a different opinion, shuts down churches, abducts people on the street and puts them on the front lines?

You forgot the part where they, post 2014 coup, passed a law banning elections under Martial Law.

-Additionally, Article 19 of the 2015 Ukrainian law "On the Legal Regime of Martial Law" directly prohibits the holding of presidential and several other types of elections during wartime.

Wait, you telling me the people who coup'd the government passed a law that all they had to do is declare Martial Law and they can cling to power.

LOL... OMG...

 

[W54/XM-388]

Real warriors are fighting and dying in Ukrainian trenches with the kind of honour becoming the ultimate in human courage of men defending their women and children from fascist russian scum. Meanwhile, over here you've an odd bunch of patently yella bedroom-dwellers, many with inexplicably weird homo-erotic names, who are revelling in a pseudo-military wank-fest in a place ironically called a ‘bear pit’. #cooljuxtaposition

Vance claims up front that Ukraine will not get into NATO or their lost country back.
Trump claims Ukraine will not get all their sovereign land back.
Trump now blames Ukraine for starting the war.

Negotiations are starting with the US blindfolded and all limbs tied behind back. And the president of the country victimized and invaded by the one we are negotiating with is excluded from negotiations. This should go well...

You are all a bit too late with the propaganda and trying to influence things.

You'll have to face the facts that you lost the war the Ukraine started and was begging for.

You thought the USA and Europe were going to go to full on war for you Ha! Silly rabbits...

Now what is left of your corrupt failed country is going to be sliced up and divided by the only two countries that actually matter at the negotiating table.
Russia will get some of your country and BlackRock will get the rest.

You will either be a serf to Russia or a serf to BlackRock.

But don't worry about all million or so of your citizens that your corrupt male dance "president" got killed, hey at least they made sure Z and his cronies got hundreds of millions of dollars stashed away and fancy properties in other countries.

Europe will shortly be coming to your aid with a plan for mass migration of hundreds of thousands of Arabs and Turks and Muslims to come "help enrich you with diversity" and replace all those you have lost.

 

[theLBC]

Vance claims up front that Ukraine will not get into NATO or their lost country back.
Trump claims Ukraine will not get all their sovereign land back.
Trump now blames Ukraine for starting the war.

Negotiations are starting with the US blindfolded and all limbs tied behind back. And the president of the country victimized and invaded by the one we are negotiating with is excluded from negotiations. This should go well...

ukraine did start the conflict, back in 2014.
ukrainian nazis attacked the people in the donbas that voted for independence from the cia backed regime.

 

[theLBC]

 

[lariat]

Vance claims up front that Ukraine will not get into NATO or their lost country back.
Trump claims Ukraine will not get all their sovereign land back.
Trump now blames Ukraine for starting the war.

Negotiations are starting with the US blindfolded and all limbs tied behind back. And the president of the country victimized and invaded by the one we are negotiating with is excluded from negotiations. This should go well...

Well, the war can either stop now or everything can be ground to rubble with back and forth fighting. Is that a good option? Russia is taking territory and neither Ukraine nor NATO have stopped it. It may be time to recognize that this slow grind was the intention the whole time by both sides. Russia wears down Ukraine and NATO while getting the land they want and the corporate interests get to rebuild what’s left.

Ukraine is now effectively a broken up backwater slave state. The US has no appetite for continuing to spend money on a losing battle nor risk an escalation that goes thermonuclear. Ukraine was taken advantage of on all sides and never realized that she was the meal, not the host.

Alternatively you can take it the other way: Victoria nuland and the other neocons badly miscalculated along with NATO and the result is still the same - Ukraine loses everything. Negotiations or not, that’s the ultimate result.