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Update on Kyle
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If I am a leftist terrorist, I would hope beyond hope that Kyle Rittenhouse would be released and all charges against him dropped. Why? Because that would mean that on a day that I am to fuck around with a Patriot and that Patriot, in the act of protecting his beloved wife, parents, and children, draws a firearm and points it at me, I might be just restrained and held for the police, instead of blasted to hell and dumped into a ravine somewhere, and then all of my fellow terrorists get hunted down and killed like rabid wolves by that Patriot's fellow night riding posses of heavily armed men, out of sheer anger and retribution because the process of law does not exist for them anymore.
When people have lost any last shreds of hope, that is when many raise the black flag, also known as "Tarleton's Quarter" in North Carolina and Tennessee.
As Patriots, I look to the Lord to give us the strength to prevail and do what we need to do the day this hope is completely lost...
When people have lost any last shreds of hope, that is when many raise the black flag, also known as "Tarleton's Quarter" in North Carolina and Tennessee.
As Patriots, I look to the Lord to give us the strength to prevail and do what we need to do the day this hope is completely lost...
I’m pissed no charges have been brought against the one armed bandit, soy boy ADA locks up a 17 yr but let’s a felon with a gun go free
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This just provides further proof that we are indeed at war with the Left. They will not stop.
But the thing about it is we haven’t truly started.
But the thing about it is we haven’t truly started.
That video was mostly a lot of words without saying much reference Kyle. The interesting part is how they are trying to ding Kyle's friend for a straw purchase. Alleging Kyle gave money to friend so friend could buy Kyle that rifle and store the rifle at Friends house in Kenosha.
Pro tip:
To establish the elements of that violation, people had to open their mouths to the cops, say who bought the gun,, when it was purchased,, how money was acquired for the purchase, money transfer records via paypal, zelle, some kind of digital money transfer...
You have a 5th Amendment right to NOT SELF INCRIMINATE. That means 3 things as it relates to police contact or being questioned:
1. Give your name, and basic contact info, you know, the things on your ID card/driver's license. After that...........
2. SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP.
2a. SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH.
2a(1). ASK FOR YOUR ATTORNEY.
3. You will not "outsmart" the cops when you spin a web of lies with bullshit statements. Just don't say anything about anything, at all, ever, about anything. Ya savvy???
Use your fucking brain.
Edit: for those that don't know, I *was* a cop for about 11 years. It blew my mind how often people would vomit incriminating information all over themselves. Statements which by themselves meant not a whole lot, but when combined with other investigative evidence uncovered would essentially be multiple puzzle pieces that were missing.
Remember 1, 2, 2a, 2a(1), and 3 above.
Only you can prevent yourself from incriminating yourself.
Pro tip:
To establish the elements of that violation, people had to open their mouths to the cops, say who bought the gun,, when it was purchased,, how money was acquired for the purchase, money transfer records via paypal, zelle, some kind of digital money transfer...
You have a 5th Amendment right to NOT SELF INCRIMINATE. That means 3 things as it relates to police contact or being questioned:
1. Give your name, and basic contact info, you know, the things on your ID card/driver's license. After that...........
2. SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP.
2a. SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH.
2a(1). ASK FOR YOUR ATTORNEY.
3. You will not "outsmart" the cops when you spin a web of lies with bullshit statements. Just don't say anything about anything, at all, ever, about anything. Ya savvy???
Use your fucking brain.
Edit: for those that don't know, I *was* a cop for about 11 years. It blew my mind how often people would vomit incriminating information all over themselves. Statements which by themselves meant not a whole lot, but when combined with other investigative evidence uncovered would essentially be multiple puzzle pieces that were missing.
Remember 1, 2, 2a, 2a(1), and 3 above.
Only you can prevent yourself from incriminating yourself.
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^^^^^
You cant fix stupid.
We didnt catch the smart ones...
38 years in LE...
Keep.Your.Fucking.Mouth.Shut..
Just sayin.
Hard to swallow a fly with a closed mouth....
You cant fix stupid.
We didnt catch the smart ones...
38 years in LE...
Keep.Your.Fucking.Mouth.Shut..
Just sayin.
Hard to swallow a fly with a closed mouth....
I would absolutely eco this entire post. I'm a lawyer not a cop and they absolutely have ways of manipulating you to get you to make a mistake. That's not a knock on the police at all just the truth.
Quick story:
Golf proshop gets robbed
Golf pro points the finger at two ex-employees.
Cops show up at their house to "talk" to them. They say we want help id'ing the person on camera. They don't say we are here because we think it was you.
Then cop says will you come down to the station and help us with some more of the photos.
They go with them ---- Mistake #1- Cops don't need anything if you go voluntarily, just like if you give them permission to search.
When they get there the switch flips, immediately into separate rooms and full on interrogation begins.
These are 18 year old(no parent needed) high school kids, understandably they are freaked.
This goes on for 4 HOURS --- Mistake #2 - As soon as it turns into interrogation you ask for a lawyer and as stated in the above post SHUT THE HELL UP.
Finally at like midnight one of them asks for a lawyer and it gets shut down.
Two days later they arrest some tweaker for the robbery. These two kids had nothing to do with it.
I personally know both of the kids, this is 100% true and accurate.
None of this is a knock on cops I support you 100%, you have a job to do and stuff like this is one of the tools you can use to get it done. My point is don't think your safe because you know your innocent, one wrong word and you could be in trouble. Take a breath, don't panic, the only words out of you mouth should be lawyer unless its a traffic stop an you are 100% certain you have nothing to worry about.
Did the two or their families peruse getting back at the guy who falsely accused them?
I'm all about biblical justice for those that accuse others falsely.
You are 100% correct.
I might add that depending on the situation, it might be a good idea to not answer any questions even as to why you are somewhere or what you are doing there, just Name, address and your lawyer's contact information.
As I recall there was this issue regarding some "raid" on a dispensary in one of the "legal" states.
Some of the employees were all like... what's going on? we work here / we volunteer here.....
Other employees and customers simply said nothing but name and lawyer.
I bet you can guess how it went down for the two different groups.
Not that I am aware of. I think in the long run this stunt and similar nonsense are ganna come back to bite the guy because they are ganna have members leave the club.
Never. Say. Anything. Ever.
Cop could ask me "hey, man do you know what time it is?"
My response would be 1 of 4 things depending on the setting.
1. "No disrespect. You're doing your job. I dont answer questions from law enforcement."
2. "I dont answer questions without my attorney present."
3. Absolute silence.
4. Glance at watch, advise of time.
#4 is obviously of I'm just going about my business and such. The other 3 are adversarial.
I called them Jedi Mind Tricks because it's beautiful when they work
. Thanks for the kind words.
But, in all seriousness, I left the profession with my head up high knowing deep down, I never arrested someone who didn't do what I arrested them for. I wasn't one to use fancy wordsmith-olympics-ninja-magic-articulation to get someone into cuffs. Probable Cause was either there, or it wasn't. Kept things simple, moral, ethical,, and within policy. Were there charges filed on all my cases? Nah, but thats DA territory. Silly lawyers
Be safe out there, buddy. Fight the good fight.
I guess the question is: Why are they asking you for the time?
Perhaps to get you to give confirmation on the record that you were aware of it being xxx time for some specific Law Enforcement purpose?
Much like "do you know how fast you were going?"
Perhaps to get you to give confirmation on the record that you were aware of it being xxx time for some specific Law Enforcement purpose?
Much like "do you know how fast you were going?"
Exactly. Cop shenaniganry is always afoot... except in 7-11 when they're getting some coffee...
....and...
Maybe....
A donut.
Don't judge me.
Thats raciss
I always refer to Meyer Lansky (head of Murder Inc.). He had a boat in FL, and when asked about how he never went to prison he'd point to a large fish mounted on the wall and say, 'See that guy right there? If he'd kept his mouth shut, he wouldn't be there.'
Oh... reference my initial post and personal OPSEC:
1. Cash is King
2. Loose lips sink ships.
1. Cash is King
2. Loose lips sink ships.
That was homework from my Texas concealed carry class... 13 years ago.
2 people can keep a secret as long as 1 is dead. Shut your stupid mouth!
So this brings up a question I’ve always had, but thankfully haven’t found the answer to firsthand. If I ever find myself being questioned by law enforcement and I ask for a lawyer, what happens next if I have never before hired an attorney? Do they set the phone book in front of you and let you call law firms till until you obtain representation? Or do they call a random one in for you? If that’s the case, how do you know they won’t send another detective into the room and have him pose as a lawyer? Is having a biz relationship with a lawyer beforehand a big advantage?
When you invoke your right to counsel (asking for an attorney), the cops are supposed to stop asking questions. Period. Technically, they can still keep asking questions just to see if you'll respond, but any information they gain will likely be tossed out. DONT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
They may or may not tell you something to the effect of "yeah man, youre not under arrest or anything like that, but we just have a few questions to ask you. So it would look really good if you......" or something like that. Thats basically asking for consent to talk to you. Don't feel pressured to "go along" just because you want to make their job easy. WRONG. These are your rights enshrined in the Constitution which PROTECTS YOU FROM THE GOVERNMENT.
Read the difference between a "Consensual Encounter", a "Detention" and "reasonable suspicion", and an "Arrest" and "probable cause".
If you're under arrest and in jail, there should be a phone number to a public defenders office. If they try and "pull a fast one" and use a "ruse" of a false attorney to get you to admit to whatever, that is absolutely not allowed. That directy goes against Miranda v Arizona and other case law revolving around the same concept of 5th Amendment protections against self incriminating, etc....and therefore all those statements will likely be tossed out by the DA's office or at an evidence admissibility hearing later on in the process.
If you're just being questioned without being under arrest, invoke your right to remain silent and for counsel. The next words out of your mouth should be, "Am I under arrest? If, not, I'm leaving."
Obviously, be calm and respectful along the whole process. Getting into a dick measuring contest with people that have have a legal authority to use force if certain thresholds are met is a losing battle. Duh. Engage brain.
That will force the cops to make a decision to either contact you later after investigating further....or arrest you on the spot which kicks off a 48-72 hour time clock to file a charge.
But, please refer to 1, 2, 2a, 2a(1), and 3 above
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When you invoke your right to counsel (asking for an attorney), the cops are supposed to stop asking questions. Period. Technically, they can still keep asking questions just to see if you'll respond, but any information they gain will likely be tossed out. DONT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
They may or may not tell you something to the effect of "yeah man, youre not under arrest or anything like that, but we just have a few questions to ask you. So it would look really good if you......" or something like that. Thats basically asking for consent to talk to you. Don't feel pressured to "go along" just because you want to make their job easy. WRONG. These are your rights enshrined in the Constitution which PROTECTS YOU FROM THE GOVERNMENT.
Read the difference between a "Consensual Encounter", a "Detention" and "reasonable suspicion", and an "Arrest" and "probable cause".
If you're under arrest and in jail, there should be a phone number to a public defenders office. If they try and "pull a fast one" and use a "ruse" of a false attorney to get you to admit to whatever, that is absolutely not allowed. That directy goes against Miranda v Arizona and other case law revolving around the same concept of 5th Amendment protections against self incriminating, etc....and therefore all those statements will likely be tossed out by the DA's office or at an evidence admissibility hearing later on in the process.
If you're just being questioned without being under arrest, invoke your right to remain silent and for counsel. The next words out of your mouth should be, "Am I under arrest? If, not, I'm leaving."
Obviously, be calm and respectful along the whole process. Getting into a dick measuring contest with people that have have a legal authority to use force if certain thresholds are met is a losing battle. Duh. Engage brain.
That will force the cops to make a decision to either contact you later after investigating further....or arrest you on the spot which kicks off a 48-72 hour time clock to file a charge.
But, please refer to 1, 2, 2a, 2a(1), and 3 above
You made two point that I really agree with and am glad you brought up.
First I'm glad you added the bit about being respectful. I always tell people that yes you have these rights and the police cannot infringe them legally if invoked properly BUT that does not mean you should be an asshole about it, be polite the officer may not fully understand the intricacies of the right to counsel/remain silent/ and miranda. They probably should but that doesn't mean they will. Even if you're right and know the officer is wrong be polite it'll make everyone's day better.
Second, I like the part about not feeling pressured to "go along" with things. I personally feel that people who are not cops or lawyers are generally very intimated when talking to the police and if they were taught proper respect they feel an obligation to not argue. Then you add in the fact that most people aren't even aware that the Bill of Rights exists and people feel like they need to just shut up and listen. They wont try and assert the rights they have because they aren't confident. Again this isn't a free pass to be an asshole, BE POLITE AND RESPECTFUL, but don't be afraid to assert your rights since the cop isn't ganna assert them for you. That doesn't make them dishonest or sneaky. The law is pretty clear if you don't assert them they don't come into play so its on you.
1,2,2a, 2a(1), and 3 along with the post I quoted should be read and memorized by everyone in America with the mental capacity to understand them. I realize we have gone some what a field of the original topic but this is stuff everyone should hear.
Thank you, Sir. I'm glad I picked up a thing or two along the way in my career.
Maybe one day we'll cross paths and I'll treat you to a drink of your choice.
So what if Im asked for my drivers license? Can I just say (I want a lawyer before I do or say anything?)
I'm going to add one more thing to this discussion (or sub-discussion) regarding talking to the police during a traffic stop. You have yet another potential dimension that can work in your favor.
The officer that stopped you 'could' very well feel like giving you a break. And that same officer 'could' very well have to fill a quota, at the same time. You wanna know how they can accomplish both goals at the same time?
They make a mistake in the writing of the ticket. As in, an acci-purpose mistake.
Here's an example:
Whilst riding my Road King on a highway here, I got pulled over in a torrential rainstorm. I'd just gotten back into the country a few days prior, from spending quite a bit of time in the US. Now ya'll have 'faster roads' than we have up here. I won't deny that I was doing the speed-limit. I just won't admit to how many exponents were involved IN doing said speed limit (HA).
I got pulled over, (deservedly so) and then he offered for me to sit in the passenger seat of his cruiser whilst he 'went through the routine'. So I did. I answered his questions, and explained that all the driving I'd just done (for some weeks) in the US I was just driving comfortably and 'as-per-the-conditions'... I didn't lie to him at all, I was amicable, and I knew that he was just doing his job.
I'm an adult, and I can accept my responsibility.
Now, that doesn't mean that I don't ALSO have the Right to 'contest' it in front of a Magistrate. Even if the intent is to simply as upon the Mercy of the Court for a reduced penalty/fine..... It costs nothing to ask, right?
Now, I have considerably more Faith in the professionalism of someone trained and experienced in their job. So, when the ticket shows that I was pulled over on the June 72, 2014.... read between the lines there.
And when the ticket is not properly filled out, it is quashed. Have a nice day. Please come again. (or don't)
But the trick here is this:
If I had simply mailed in my cheque, and/or just paid for my ticket at the cashier without contesting it, then I get the points against my license, I get the record on my abstract, and he get's another ticket on his quota.
But, by going in and asking to further this,,,, it is voided right then-and-there.
Due to the fact that this "may or may not" have happened more than once..... I can honestly say that it is true.
The officer that stopped you 'could' very well feel like giving you a break. And that same officer 'could' very well have to fill a quota, at the same time. You wanna know how they can accomplish both goals at the same time?
They make a mistake in the writing of the ticket. As in, an acci-purpose mistake.
Here's an example:
Whilst riding my Road King on a highway here, I got pulled over in a torrential rainstorm. I'd just gotten back into the country a few days prior, from spending quite a bit of time in the US. Now ya'll have 'faster roads' than we have up here. I won't deny that I was doing the speed-limit. I just won't admit to how many exponents were involved IN doing said speed limit (HA).
I got pulled over, (deservedly so) and then he offered for me to sit in the passenger seat of his cruiser whilst he 'went through the routine'. So I did. I answered his questions, and explained that all the driving I'd just done (for some weeks) in the US I was just driving comfortably and 'as-per-the-conditions'... I didn't lie to him at all, I was amicable, and I knew that he was just doing his job.
I'm an adult, and I can accept my responsibility.
Now, that doesn't mean that I don't ALSO have the Right to 'contest' it in front of a Magistrate. Even if the intent is to simply as upon the Mercy of the Court for a reduced penalty/fine..... It costs nothing to ask, right?
Now, I have considerably more Faith in the professionalism of someone trained and experienced in their job. So, when the ticket shows that I was pulled over on the June 72, 2014.... read between the lines there.
And when the ticket is not properly filled out, it is quashed. Have a nice day. Please come again. (or don't)
But the trick here is this:
If I had simply mailed in my cheque, and/or just paid for my ticket at the cashier without contesting it, then I get the points against my license, I get the record on my abstract, and he get's another ticket on his quota.
But, by going in and asking to further this,,,, it is voided right then-and-there.
Due to the fact that this "may or may not" have happened more than once..... I can honestly say that it is true.
Also, remember that driving a vehicle on public roads is considered a privilege and not a right. Therefore, you must have and present all the valid documentation in your area of operation. This will always include a valid driver's license. Also, as a general rule, you must identify yourself when you are actually being detained by law enforcement but not for a consensual encounter.
To my knowledge the supreme court ruled that travel on roadways is a RIGHT and not a privilege. I dont have time to find a bunch of court cases at this second, but will look some up and post it here. Im interested in this topic
Actually, the Supreme Court found that travel throughout the United States was a right but not necessarily how you travel. Those are governed by individual entities and/or States. It is why they can check us at airports, run immigration checkpoints within certain distances from the border and require driver's licenses to operate vehicles on public roads.
You can walk coast to coast and are not required to provide identification unless you are being detained for cause. However, being a dick just because doesn't help anyone in the long run and in most states, if you have a concealed carry permit you are required to present it and identification anytime you are involved with the police.
No, at least the areas of the South I am familiar with require you to present your CCW during any traffic stop...etc
I'll expand a little on what @clcustom1911 said, from my side of the Walls. As stated, if you've been advised of your rights and you lawyer up AND you're actually arrested and Booked into Jail you're "usually" allowed a call or 2 "after" you've cooperated and been fully Booked into the facility. If you're acting out and fail to get with the program you can be denied use of the phone AND if you fail to answer the Booking questions you very well may be stripped and placed into a Padded Room due to liability. The liability is you not answering the intake questions, which cover mental health, suicidal ideology, yada yada.
Let's say you're cooperating and you're afforded the use of the telephone at the Booking area. You can call a Public Pretender off the list on the wall, same list that's in the Cells, or you can call an Attorney of your choosing if you're retaining one. If you say you're Lawyering up and DON'T choose to call anyone, you'll automatically be appointed a Court appointed Attorney, sometimes even if you say you're gonna retain your own, especially in Felony Cases. The Court wants to ensure you have Legal Representation as soon as possible. If you in fact finally retain your own, the Court will withdraw the appointment and let you utilize your at cost Attorney.
Pro Tip: All known Attorney numbers entered into the phone system are BLOCKED from recording by law. Court Appointed and Private. You'll hear a message prior to connecting any call you're making with a warning of this fact, the fact you're being recorded. If you're gonna call an Attorney of YOUR choosing that YOU'RE gonna retain at YOUR expense, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE FACILITY "BLOCK" THAT NUMBER BEFORE CALLING. Blocked calls cannot be monitored, recorded, or shared with the Prosecutors Office.
Maybe true in your state, but not a requirement in every state.
Part of his bail was paid by actor Ricky Schroeder and some by the My Pillow guy.Out on bail.
Yes, justice must be but remember, "Vengeance is mine saith the Lord." Ya gotta control yourself and let him take care of it...For the most part.
The Almighty Creator was often quite happy to lend Their hand to a bit of Vengeance once the Faithful Servants got the ball rolling on their own.
I'm of the firm opinion that The Almighty Creator helps those that help themselves, and that includes doing your own righteous vengeance.
But then again, I'm one of the type that also believes the first half of the book and understands the insights it gives you.
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I believe youre in some error but this isnt the place to debate it, and its rare that anyone will change much anyway.
He should get a presidential pardon NOW......in fact what the hell he should already have a public presidential pardon and screw a trial.
Trump should also create a new national award.
Winner of the Kenosha quick draw contest.
