US Military Died Today

[Timo Turl]

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Reports are coming out of Afghanistan that some Taliban are asking for a possible cease-fire in certain regions. Apparently, they are afraid of worst case being captured and butt fuc*ked to death, best case having someone redecorate their caves !

 

[cavscout1983]

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I called a friend last night, a gay guy and former 11B, to get his opinion. He said this is a bad thing; it will cause more issues than it is worth. On one hand, he sees how it could be good, on the other, he understands that this will bring up way too many issues that the military has no need for right now while still fighting.

We both agree this will not do much for guys already in, and it will provide false security for new privates who want to be a one man gay pride parade. He did not even let me know he is gay until a few months ago. I had my suspicions for years, but, it just didn't seem like the sort of thing to bring up per chance he was not. I learned, upon his confession of his sexual preference, that his platoon found out on accident a few weeks before he ETS'ed. It was not a pleasant last few weeks for him.

Ultimately, it comes down to professionalism. The military deals poorly with this. He is not a "super queer". He is just himself and he doesn't really broadcast things. What about the people that do?

We had 2 known gay guys working supply. They just couldn't hide it. One was effeminate and the other was just...flamboyant would be an understatement. It did cause minor issues but they also didn't hit on guys in the company every day. One did, a few times, and quickly understood if he values wearing the uniform he would no longer be doing so.

I see this being an issue in the combat arms, depending on the unit. The Marines brought up good points about how this will affect unit cohesion in the middle of the fight.

I'm no longer in, and glad for multiple reasons. Like Switchblade, I'm just gonna sit back and watch the fireworks.

I can't imagine the extra BS this is going to lay on Commanders and Senior NCOs, how this will affect unit cohesion, etc.

It should have never been made an issue and never really was until politics made it so.

 

[TOP PREDATOR]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TJ.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Reports are coming out of Afghanistan that some Taliban are asking for a possible cease-fire in certain regions. Apparently, they are afraid of worst case being captured and butt fuc*ked to death, best case having someone redecorate their caves !</div></div>
well, at least it'd get the job done!

more food for thought - age - "caps" for new enlistments.

Active Duty None-Prior Service

•Army - 42 (must ship to basic training prior to 42nd birthday)
•Air Force - 27
•Navy - 34
•Marines - 28
•Coast Guard - Age 27. Note: up to age 32 for those selected to attend A-school directly upon enlistment (this is mostly for prior service).

Reserve Non-Prior Service

•Army Reserves - 42 (must ship to basic training prior to 42nd birthday)
•Army National Guard - 35 (changed from 42 in 2009)
•Air Force Reserve - 34
•Air National Guard - 40 (Changed from 34 in Aug 2009)
•Naval Reserves - 39
•Marine Corps Reserve - 29
•Coast Guard Reserves - Age 39

especially for the army, picture having to have to rely on some old guy (figure after basic and to the field) around 43 years or older humping gear around the country side, eyesight and hearing getting worse by the day, more aches and pains, needing more sleep or gets more tired, drinking ensure from the canteen.

it's fact the older you get, the less you can "hack it" as well as the young'uns.

so what's more of a liability to your survivability - an old straight guy that will eventually be not physically able to hack it, or a young gay guy that has least another decade to go before he starts "breaking down"?

how does age affect "unit cohesion"?

new policy: "don't ask - 'cause i can't remember" ?

hell, kickout / deny everyone 34ish years old or older too, except for officers, as we'll need their "experience".

....but then again, i guess you can argue that as long as the old guy can do his / her job - wait, THAT sounds familiar....

 

[Lowlight]

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This should be locked for the clear bigotry put on display here...But I would rather know <span style="font-style: italic">"who you are"</span> because I certainly don't care about who <span style="font-style: italic"> "they"</span> are.

It is no different than segregating colored troops... unequal treatment of women, or any mistreatment based on race, or religion, it's cut from the same cloth if you ask me.

Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves for this line of thinking, let alone saying it out loud, in writing.

 

[Rob01]

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I am sure there will be growing pains as with any change. Just like them putting women on subs now. Always tough to change at first but usually all the worrying is for no reason. I see that a few years from now it won't be a big deal as it isn't in other militaries around the world.

I know and have served with gay military members. There were no problems. It all comes down to the person. Not the sexual orientation. If you have a close friend in your unit that comes out after this will it change how you think of them or make you not want to serve with them? If so then why? That person hasn't changed.

I don't think that this new change is going to cause pride parades popping up all over the military but it will allow people to be more secure and not have to worry that if they are seen with their significant other in public they won't lose their service for our country.

There are many gay members in the military now. If you think you haven't served with any gay members you are only fooling yourself.

 

[Rob01]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This should be locked for the clear bigotry put on display here...But I would rather know <span style="font-style: italic">"who you are"</span> because I certainly don't care about who <span style="font-style: italic"> "they"</span> are.

It is no different than segregating colored troops... unequal treatment of women, or any mistreatment based on race, or religion, it's cut from the same cloth if you ask me.

Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves for this line of thinking, let alone saying it out loud, in writing. </div></div>

Well said Frank.

 

[goober]

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It's interesting this thread because in NZ right now there is a program about to air about a naval Commander and a Major in the NZ army who are homosexual men .

NZ is certainly Gay friendly as a country .The ambassador from the USA is gay , we have gay politicians and have even had a transvestite in our parliament that once baby sat my friend in its early days .One of my clients is a transsexual , wow that was weird as I met Cathy as Sam,

One could ask the question if the gay men should be allowed in the showers as this is a turn on seeing other men's genitals as it would be if you grunts could shower with the woman .

There are small things that a soldier could argue that his personal space and rights are being breached as could a woman if she had to put up with a man seeing her nude. Homos are no more promiscuous than randy hetro's, lets face it if some looker wants to put out it would be hard to refuse it .

Quote Kbrady;If you served with a man for a number of years, fought beside him, watched out for one another, risked your necks together, etc......would you turn your back on him if you found out he was gay??

this bought a smile to me , sorry Kbrady , one could take the bottom of your post 2 ways -'Would you " or "WOULD YOU ".
HAVE A HAPPY XMAS BRO

 

[Minx]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This should be locked for the clear bigotry put on display here...But I would rather know <span style="font-style: italic">"who you are"</span> because I certainly don't care about who <span style="font-style: italic"> "they"</span> are.

It is no different than segregating colored troops... unequal treatment of women, or any mistreatment based on race, or religion, it's cut from the same cloth if you ask me.

Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves for this line of thinking, let alone saying it out loud, in writing. </div></div>

Amen.

 

[doc76251]

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Who gives a sh!t?
Put your uniform on, do your duty and come home.

It's not like they're black or white or hispanic, or muslim or catholic or jewish or an adulterer. Geeze if they ever let those people in the military the whole organization would just fall apart when the sun rose.

Cheers,

Doc

 

[SniperCJ]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ranger1183</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One glaringly obvious but unstated reality was that some of my very best men, my most dedicated men, were queers.</div></div>

Most dedicated, very best, yet still not deserving of a better title than 'queers' huh? Sad

 

[Jboeri]

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As active duty, I could care less who they bed down with... that being said I do have an issue with combined berthing. I have no fear of rape, etc... but the fact remains male and female are seperated for a reason and under the new plan there is nothing in place for seperate berthing areas. I believe it is quote "a logistical nightmare". When they figure that portion out I'll be fully on board.

 

[Victor Co Heather]

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In every conflict we've ever had gay soldiers have died for our freedom, nothing has changed with the recent legislation, except tolerance.

Gay or straight, Americans all bleed red.

 

[Victor Co Heather]

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but let's not throw out this idea of the men and women showing together for equal rights.. ; )

 

[Downzero]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sodomy is still ILLEGAL as per the UCMJ. </div></div>

You better not get a BJ, then. That's sodomy, too.

 

[High Binder]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bushmaster7</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> homosexual men are well known for their lack of sexual control.</div></div>

Damn, I guess that makes me gay.

 

[doc76251]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jboeri</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As active duty, I could care less who they bed down with... that being said I do have an issue with combined berthing. I have no fear of rape, etc... but the fact remains male and female are seperated for a reason and under the new plan there is nothing in place for seperate berthing areas. I believe it is quote "a logistical nightmare". When they figure that portion out I'll be fully on board. </div></div>

Hell your sleeping with gays now what's the difference. That being said I'll come out of retirement and sign up gay if they let me bunk in female berthing. I remember the first medical response to female berthing onboard USS XXXXXX. (.)(.)"s everywhere

AND the place smelled good.

Cheers,

Doc

 

[LRS_Ranger]

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The topic of whether Homosexuality is right or wrong goes back to a moral and religious question. I have my opinion, but the beauty of America is that everyone regardless of race, creed, religion, or personal beliefs has the same shot at freedom, life, and the American Dream. Thus anyone that says that gays should not be let in the military simply because it's wrong might as well say that Catholics shouldn't be in the military because they don't agree with their religious beliefs. It's a personal moral question and we don't make distinctions based on those types of things, at least not in the America that I was raised in.

The only concerns that I have go back to unit cohesion. I'm not allowed to shower or share a room with females. Why's that? I suppose half out of respect for a females privacy and half because of fear of sexual allegations, either substantiated or not. Men tend to be more sexually aggressive, and thus has kept me away from women in close physical proximity. So is the army going to keep gay men away from close physical contact with me?

I could serve with a gay man just as easily as any other American, I just don't want to be forced to be in a situation that could be sexual, since they like men. If you have ever been a grunt shivering in a cold foxhole with buddy, you know what I mean. I guess we will see if it winds up being a problem, or if it blows over like Y2K.

 

[Downzero]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J.Myers</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can't believe people think this will detract from the military. A citizen is a citizen imo. Pass the physical and pull a trigger. </div></div>

Not all service members are citizens; it's not a requirement.

 

[Downzero]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: David 33</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am not in the military yet, I ship in March. However both of my parents were career military and after a discussion with my dad I believe the US Military will get through this. The process will be hard though. My problem is the timing and the pandering to special interests groups. We are in a war that is not finished and will be continuing into the foreseeable future, is this really the time to concentrate time, money, and manpower on issues related to the integration of homosexuals into the Military? Will there be gays who are/will serve honorably, yes and good for them. What about the ones who chose to blatantly display their sexuality for political motives. This is my issue with the ending of this policy. The job of the military is to close with and destroy the enemy. How does this accomplish that task, the armed forces are not a vehicle for social experimentation.


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Seems like you better get back to your high school studies with grammar like that. I don't know how you'll even understand an op order if your English skills are that poor.

 

[goober]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This should be locked for the clear bigotry put on display here...But I would rather know <span style="font-style: italic">"who you are"</span> because I certainly don't care about who <span style="font-style: italic"> "they"</span> are.

It is no different than segregating colored troops... unequal treatment of women, or any mistreatment based on race, or religion, it's cut from the same cloth if you ask me.

Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves for this line of thinking, let alone saying it out loud, in writing. </div></div>

Well said Frank. </div></div>

I think people get confused sometimes with what they believe and whats other peoples rights are to function in a modern society .The fact that some hold Homosexuality as a blight on man kind and it offends their sense of decency and morality should not be attacked or their right to defend their beliefs -but then that goes the other way for the gay people also -you cant have your CAKE AND EAT IT TO!
The fact a gay soldier like a hetro soldier is willing to put body and life on the line for the freedom of your way of life in America and for us in forign countries surly must take presedent over all, especially petty shit !

A well known man once said -he who has no sin cast the first stone

 

[Lowlight]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I could serve with a gay man just as easily as any other American, I just don't want to be forced to be in a situation that could be sexual, since they like men. If you have ever been a grunt shivering in a cold foxhole with buddy, you know what I mean. I guess we will see if it winds up being a problem, or if it blows over like Y2K.</div></div>

No I don't know what you mean, and I have been cold in a fighting hole before... you act like, if not for the law against gays in the military, things might have gone a bit different for most. and not just you, but others who feel the same way. Strip the law from the books and the next thing you know everyone in the barracks is playing tummy sticks. As if, you're so attractive to a gay men, there is no way he can think any differently. Face it, plenty of women who love men, find you just repulsive as a gay man does. You're not their type.

Gay men don't <span style="font-style: italic"> "cruise"</span> straight bars, or sports bars, or any place straight men congregate looking to <span style="font-style: italic">"turn"</span> straight men gay.

Bunch of homo-erotic fantasying going on by a lot folks on the other side of this debate. <span style="font-style: italic">"what if I am sleeping next to them, and I wake up with my cock in their mouth" </span>, that would be, you know, awful. -- Sorry some of you sound like you're repressing somethings. Come guys, it doesn't rub off.

 

[hankpac]

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Excuse me if I really don't trust the actions of the Congress on this one either.
I believe they dropped DADT in order to make themselves look good to the voting liberals, and to put more liberal voters into a group that mostly votes conservative, the military.
I don't see Congress doing this to right some sort of injustice, or to correct some sort of moral wrong (Congress? Right). Strictly a power move.
Homosexuals should not make the mistake of thinking that those assholes in Congress are their friends.

 

[tigerhawk]

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Some time ago, I saw a statistic. Since then, the numbers may have changed, so it may or may not be accurate now. At the time, gays in the military, comprising about 3% of the military population, had 47% of the cases of AIDS in the military.

I agree with graham's post, and with all the others who say that one's sexual preference has nothing whatever to do with how well they can fight, but the above statistic leaves me with one concern: AIDS is transmitted through blood. If an AIDS-infected soldier, with an open cut or scrape on his hand, has to put that hand on another soldier's open wound to pressure-stop the bleeding, the wounded soldier could very well end up infected with AIDS as well.

 

[goober]

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Youve gotta see the lighter side of this to guys .

Cant wait to see the new United States Marine Core Gucci uniforms as the number of gay blokes join up .Lowlights Shemac will now be called a scarf , patent leather walky talky holders, pressed uniforms no matter how hard the battle is ,Christion Dior face cammo -God help you if the San Fran bdsm biker set set want in also -<span style="color: #FF0000">[color:#990000][color:#FF0000]"Soldier why are you wearing butless leather Fatigues"</span>[/color][/color]

 

[USAFDoug]

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Can gay men give blood?

I don't see a problem with the repeal I only se problems created by the repeal. What do you do with housing? When people think they are being discriminated because they can't get base housing now you have to lawyer up for that and fight that good fight...

This is just more then allowing gays to serve... there are just so many other things to think about... so far reaching!

 

[LRS_Ranger]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I could serve with a gay man just as easily as any other American, I just don't want to be forced to be in a situation that could be sexual, since they like men. If you have ever been a grunt shivering in a cold foxhole with buddy, you know what I mean. I guess we will see if it winds up being a problem, or if it blows over like Y2K.</div></div>

No I don't know what you mean, and I have been cold in a fighting hole before... you act like, if not for the law against gays in the military, things might have gone a bit different for most. and not just you, but others who feel the same way. Strip the law from the books and the next thing you know everyone in the barracks is playing tummy sticks. As if, you're so attractive to a gay men, there is no way he can think any differently. Face it, plenty of women who love men, find you just repulsive as a gay man does. You're not their type.

Gay men don't <span style="font-style: italic"> "cruise"</span> straight bars, or sports bars, or any place straight men congregate looking to <span style="font-style: italic">"turn"</span> straight men gay.

Bunch of homo-erotic fantasying going on by a lot folks on the other side of this debate. <span style="font-style: italic">"what if I am sleeping next to them, and I wake up with my cock in their mouth" </span>, that would be, you know, awful. -- Sorry some of you sound like you're repressing somethings. Come guys, it doesn't rub off. </div></div>

I don't care if someone is gay, but I would not want to share a sleeping bag with a dude that talks about banging dudes on the weekend. I might not be his type, and I would really hope that I wasn't. By your logic, no female should feel awkward sharing a fart sack with a dude, because they probably aren't his type anyway. The military doesn't let this happen for a reason.

 

[Lowlight]

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I don't know what branch you were in, I was a grunt in the Marines, I never <span style="font-style: italic">"shared"</span> a sleeping bag with a Dude... no matter how cold, wet, and hungry I was.

 

[DaveV]

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I feel compelled to out myself among my understanding friends....
I am a proud male Lesbian

 

[SmokeRolls]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downrange1x</div><div class="ubbcode-body">+1 Bushmaster7, a country is doomed to repeat the mistakes of other powreful empires or countries if they don't learn from past mistakes! Everyone needs to dust off their history books and read about the downfall of the Roman empire and what lead up to it. Romans 1:26-27</div></div>
Well said and I agree.
This is my opinion and I celebrate that we have the freedom to express our own opinions even though we may not all agree with each other. Be happy that we still can express our opinions.
Some may say that we are moving forward with tollerance and acceptance, but we are on a downward decline from what the founding fathers intended for this country. I could say more but I want to respect the mods rules against politics and etc,etc.
......Respectfully....SmokeRolls

 

[DaveV]

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As to the AIDS argument, I think it's a no-brainer to pull people out of combat duty who have AIDS, Hep-C, or any other blood-borne disease for obvious reasons...regardless of sexual orientation. This is a secondary argument.

 

[DaveV]

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One must ask about the wisdom of asking the civil government to monitor and regulate issues that, by in large, are defined in a moral context such as religious belief. When people argue the government's position from a religious perspective, they find themselves on a slippery slope. For example, if one applies the "moral" aspect of this argument, then they have to deal with adultery, fornication, greed, slander, malice, bearing false witness, etc, etc, etc,. You are compelled to treat the openly, flamboyant liar or thief or greed monger with the same rules. Within minutes, you will have completely emptied the ranks of ALL serving military members.

It's one thing to not be able to meet an external requirement (height, weight, physical condition, etc.) It's a whole different thing when you base service on what someone <span style="text-decoration: underline">says </span>they do in private. Soon, you will be basing service on what is thought without being said. Slippery slope at best.

 

[goober]

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+1 Dave on that ! Society will break down as that society allows and not much can stop it .Society will also only give so much before it gets angry and fights back.

To bring a religous side to non religous people is just wrong and I am a christian who believes homosexuality is wrong but I aint here to judge the world or enforce my beliefs on those that dont want them -God will be that entity to do that.

 

[Mustafa]

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If internet boards were existant in the 1940s-1950s, do you think we would have seen the exact same posts? "They are trying to let COLORED boys into WHITE units!! WTF!?! We're all screwed now!"
I also love the, "Well gay guys are gonna look at me like a sex object!" Yeah, what do you think most chicks in the military have been going through since they first let them in? Also, allowing gays to openly serve in the military does not mean that they can hit on you and make passes at will. That is called sexual harrassment. There are already rules in place to prevent that.
None of this shit is new. Our military forces are NOT going to self destruct all of a sudden.

 

[match308]

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You cannot compare racial prejudice to one that is afflicted with an unnatural deviant sexual preference. The military will not self-destruct, but they have been dealt another blow to their morale. I think it best to let the military self govern some aspects of their selection standard and not the 90+ % of the public that never served.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WuLitian</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If internet boards were existant in the 1940s-1950s, do you think we would have seen the exact same posts? "They are trying to let COLORED boys into WHITE units!! WTF!?! We're all screwed now!"
I also love the, "Well gay guys are gonna look at me like a sex object!" Yeah, what do you think most chicks in the military have been going through since they first let them in? Also, allowing gays to openly serve in the military does not mean that they can hit on you and make passes at will. That is called sexual harrassment. There are already rules in place to prevent that.
None of this shit is new. Our military forces are NOT going to self destruct all of a sudden.
</div></div>

 

[kbrady]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves for this line of thinking, let alone saying it out loud, in writing. </div></div>

This can't be said enough!!!

Like someone said earlier, most gay guys aren't interested in straight guys anyway.....so I highly doubt you have to worry about the "gays" ganging up on you in the trenches. You and your anal virginity will remain safe.

 

[rak187]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WuLitian</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Well gay guys are gonna look at me like a sex object!"</div></div>

WTF!!I am a sexy bitch, I can't believe I never got fondled in the infantry. I feel so short changed.

 

[match308]

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Dude! If you saw some of the Army chicks I have, you'd take that idea back!
[<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: M.45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">but let's not throw out this idea of the men and women showing together for equal rights.. ; ) </div></div>

 

[Toddcal13]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bushmaster7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Know a lot of you are currently serving our country with distinction in the US Military, all branches represented here. The US Military just died today, it just doesn't know it yet. Will take a few years before the corpse is cold; but it died. That's the beauty of representative democracy, you vote for it, you get it:

US Military Died Today </div></div>

Seriously...died. Pretty sure that's the most dramatic post ever.

I am confident that the military will overcome anything thrown at them. Including DADT.

Yeah, it's weird and the transition may be uncomfortable, but died? Get real man and think it through.

 

[Tunanut]

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This thread surely brings out the homophobes. There were several gay and lesbians in both of the units I served in. Never remember it being much of a problem. Will the religous zealots ever realize that being gay is not a lifestyle choice; God made them that way and many of them have and continue to serve our country honorably.

 

[Toddcal13]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rak187</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bushmaster 7 you sir are a jackass! I spent 6 years in the infantry with three tours, and honestly could not give a shit less if I would of found out anyone of my guys were gay. As long as they aren't being all flamboyant about it, which wouldn't be tolerated regardless of the current policies. Who are any of you to question their service? </div></div>

+1. I think he has issues

 

[Switchblade]

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5 females and 3 males out of a total of 48 Soldiers I worked with were openly gay. Out of the 48 there was 1 malingerer always at Sick Call. Of the 5 females aforementioned 3 were malingerers as well. 2 of the 3 males were malingerer's as well.
Of the 8 total openly gay Soldiers, 7 were chaptered out for doing drugs. Of the other Soldiers, 1 was a drug chapter.
After 2 years of serving, 1 male had a positive result of HIV and he was openly bisexual for at least a year of his service. One of the other gay males, an NCO was also bisexual during his last year of service befoer being chaptered for drugs.
The fact that gay males that have a potential to have HIV will have promiscuous sex with any willing female and spread the HIV further into the ranks of heterosexual Soldiers.
While these are possibilities and facts of life where I worked it is also a microcosmic example of regular civilian life.
I don't agree with it based on the moral ground of being taught that it is wrong. I also know it's no longer my issue to hand carry paperwork and hold a SOldiers hand while they are chaptered out for doing drugs. AS to the gay part, well it did cause a few issues, but those were mostly unending drama. More than I cared to ever see, and damn sure didn't like hearing about every Monday.
You who still serve, have fun with it because it's not my problem.
AND I think I will enjoy that(edited out) later on. Shoot after 25 years that shit is damn near perfect!

 

[ArcticLight]

Re: US Military Died Today

FYI - the liberlas have FORCED the US Navy to accept women on submarines now.

That means they hav e to retrofit all subs for women and that starts next year.

Now I know for a fact that at least 40-50 women come back off a 6 month patrol pregnant on a carrier - so it's GOING to happen on the subs, just a matter of time.

I'd rather see a woman than a gay guy but I don't care if someone is gay as long as it's not shoved in my face.

 

[netranger6]

Re: US Military Died Today

Here's a story for you. While in Korea, as a tanker, I was at the MPRC shooting a gunnery. Well, if you've been there, it's a lot like NTC. Fully communal showers and the like. Well, there were a few guys that liked the fanny in our unit, but they were good troops. Okay, to the punch line. I was in the shower, of course late so I could avoid the herd and crowd. Well, I'm washing away, and 4 or 5 dudes walk in, 2 of them are the "known" Freddy likes Fanny types. No biggie, just keep on showering. Then, some Katusas come in and ignore the 1/3/5 rule, and set up right next to me. I'm like fuck, seriously?! These guys started washing each others backs and shit, sat on the floor spooning each other like monkeys, and thought nothing of it. The Americans washed their ass and moved out.

Bottom line, I don't have a problem serving next to the lead singer from Queen if he was a good Soldier and willing to watch my back (insert joke), and lay down fire. And this is from a person who used to be completely against the idea...Guess with age comes wisdom and tolerance.

 

[Graham]

Re: US Military Died Today

Does it really have to be said in educated company that HIV is not a 'gay' person's disease??!! Last time I checked, HIV kills without first inquiring into one's credentials. By the same twisted logic, if HIV is a gay disease then it most certainly can be blamed on the French Foreign Legion in particular and on soldiering in general. C'mon people, get a clue.

Compromise is a necessary characteristic of civilization. It is also one of our greatest strengths and talents as a country. Remember, according to its leadership there have never been and are still no homosexuals in Iran.

There is a very real difference between asserting one's individuality and the marginalization of ethics in the name of smooth process and 'unit cohesion'. Does the military process and system - the brainwashing - now so dominate our lives and our thinking as to obscure both rational thought <span style="font-style: italic">and</span> the freedom of expression that so many have fought to obtain?!

 

[Mustafa]

Re: US Military Died Today

LINK
It all makes sense now...

 

[rero360]

Re: US Military Died Today

All I have to add to this conversation:

I killed a man with a trident.

 

[The_end]

Re: US Military Died Today

Congress might accept gays into the military. Coming from a USMC infantry unit, a lot of THE military will not accept openly gay servicemen. Hopefully they don't show up to a combat arms unit all loud and proud...

 

[goober]

Re: US Military Died Today

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The_end</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Congress might accept gays into the military. Coming from a USMC infantry unit, a lot of THE military will not accept openly gay servicemen. Hopefully they don't show up to a combat arms unit all loud and proud... </div></div> <span style="color: #CC0000">Hey "The End" you mean kinda like this guy
</span>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8UgOvJVol8&feature=related

 

[EventHorizon]

Re: US Military Died Today

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bushmaster7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Know a lot of you are currently serving our country with distinction in the US Military, all branches represented here. The US Military just died today, it just doesn't know it yet. Will take a few years before the corpse is cold; but it died. That's the beauty of representative democracy, you vote for it, you get it:

US Military Died Today </div></div>

Sweetheart, you are <span style="color: #CC66CC"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">S</span>UCH</span></span> a drama queen...

 

[Downzero]

Re: US Military Died Today

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I could serve with a gay man just as easily as any other American, I just don't want to be forced to be in a situation that could be sexual, since they like men. If you have ever been a grunt shivering in a cold foxhole with buddy, you know what I mean. I guess we will see if it winds up being a problem, or if it blows over like Y2K.</div></div>

No I don't know what you mean, and I have been cold in a fighting hole before... you act like, if not for the law against gays in the military, things might have gone a bit different for most. and not just you, but others who feel the same way. Strip the law from the books and the next thing you know everyone in the barracks is playing tummy sticks. As if, you're so attractive to a gay men, there is no way he can think any differently. Face it, plenty of women who love men, find you just repulsive as a gay man does. You're not their type.

Gay men don't <span style="font-style: italic"> "cruise"</span> straight bars, or sports bars, or any place straight men congregate looking to <span style="font-style: italic">"turn"</span> straight men gay.

Bunch of homo-erotic fantasying going on by a lot folks on the other side of this debate. <span style="font-style: italic">"what if I am sleeping next to them, and I wake up with my cock in their mouth" </span>, that would be, you know, awful. -- Sorry some of you sound like you're repressing somethings. Come guys, it doesn't rub off. </div></div>

Thank you, Frank.

I dunno about you guys, but I like women, who like men. Women who like women do nothing for me. And if you don't think it's the same for gay men and women, I'm sorry to say you're wrong.