This also goes for any LE just "following the king's orders" fuck that "I was just doing my job enforcing the law bullshit"
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Va Gun Confiscation Looming!
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Look at my signature. We need to start prosecuting and removing politicians that break their oaths of office. Any infringement or the drafting of laws infringing on my Right to keep and bear arms is a crime against the Constitution and the people drafting and passing these illegal laws have broken their oaths to protect and defend and need to be prosecuted and removed from office.
It's as simple as forcing our Representation to stop defying the Constitution and adhere to their oaths. If I perjure myself on the stand in a legal hearing I go to jail. If you are elected Representation and perjure yourself, *you* go to jail.
Simple.
VooDoo
It's as simple as forcing our Representation to stop defying the Constitution and adhere to their oaths. If I perjure myself on the stand in a legal hearing I go to jail. If you are elected Representation and perjure yourself, *you* go to jail.
Simple.
VooDoo
And related to "All the Thanksgiving 'fixins'" meaning all the stuff besides the turkey.
No one will survive extreme social upheaval and come away wanting to be disarmed.
Folks who have fought for life and freedom with hammers and sticks will not be unarmed again.
Folks who have fought for life and freedom with hammers and sticks will not be unarmed again.
Looks like we are making some progress. A good point was made at the rally yesterday. Because so many people who are fired up now sat at home on election day, we now have no chance to move gun rights forward. We just have to fight to keep them from moving backward, in hopes to them standing still. The BEST we can hope for now is for things to stand still.
Looks like Northam said yesterday that the bill he would submit would have a grandfather clause in it (which doesn't change anything for us), and then Saslaw said the bill he prefiled was not the bill that would be submitted and that he had no intention of locking up gun owners in Virginia.
Proof to me that they are moving away from their initial statements.
We do have a say and we do have some power. As much as we'd like? No. But if we don't stand up to them and their staffs, then we lose instantly.
Again, good job Virginia, let's keep our foot to the floor on the throttle.
Looks like Northam said yesterday that the bill he would submit would have a grandfather clause in it (which doesn't change anything for us), and then Saslaw said the bill he prefiled was not the bill that would be submitted and that he had no intention of locking up gun owners in Virginia.
Proof to me that they are moving away from their initial statements.
We do have a say and we do have some power. As much as we'd like? No. But if we don't stand up to them and their staffs, then we lose instantly.
Again, good job Virginia, let's keep our foot to the floor on the throttle.
Don't stop now VA, all this is just one battle. They are backing up, keep the pressure on and have the proposed legislation fail completely. It's time to give them a big ass loss.
VA Sheriff announced yesterday that he will deputize every single gun owner in his county...
Love it!
Cheers,
Sirhr
Love it!
Cheers,
Sirhr
Film and photo them back and pass this information around to all the citizens so they know who is actually taking away their 2nd Amendment Rights.
If people wouldn’t tolerate baby murderers in their midst, there wouldn’t be all these secondary problems.
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You’re fighting from your heels. Fight on your toes and you might land a few punches on the chin.
This was likely their plan. Come out hard knowing people are going to get fired up. Back pedal a little bit when they do. Re write the bill so that it "isn't as bad" and watch a big part of the 2A support group back down like its a win. Then collect their win on a modified bill, and start writing the next one. Give them nothing, take from them everything. Foot to the floor VA, the whole nation is watching. Especially our CO governor, He's drooling actually.
These people need to be voted the hell out and VA needs to keep out the political transplants that come here and fuck up everything out of our state. I don't care if you move here to be yourself and mind your business like the rest of us, but all these people from somewhere goddamn else coming here and being politicians or buying up half a small town just to get on the BOS have got to fucking go. Any of the turncoats who are leaving because of this fight for our rights can stay the fuck out, too. The way I see things now, you're either a Virginian or you just live here.
Same with the gun violence issue, you're either protecting people or you're part of the problem which kept them disarmed. Gun violence can be reduced, we already know how to do it, it's been as proven as it can get time and time again. This legislation will increase gun violence and prime our children for the boxcars. I'd bet that shortly after January shit will go goddamn Catalina Wine Mixer unless this legislation evaporates completely and proven solutions which bolster personal and public security are presented instead.
Same with the gun violence issue, you're either protecting people or you're part of the problem which kept them disarmed. Gun violence can be reduced, we already know how to do it, it's been as proven as it can get time and time again. This legislation will increase gun violence and prime our children for the boxcars. I'd bet that shortly after January shit will go goddamn Catalina Wine Mixer unless this legislation evaporates completely and proven solutions which bolster personal and public security are presented instead.
No more negotiating to keep rights. They are backpeddling not just because of the pressure but because that is how they design their schemes. Come out of the gate trying to completely gut liberty and kill the Constitution, then back off a little and say,
"See we didn't mean it, aren't we gracious masters." If we negotiate, settle for less draconian versions of the same tyranny and convince ourselves that we did a good job because we didnt lose all our rights then we have still lost and they will erode our liberty further next season. Our rights cannot be taken from us, only surrendered by those too tired and lazy to do the work required to keep them.
When does the push to recall the governor begin?
"See we didn't mean it, aren't we gracious masters." If we negotiate, settle for less draconian versions of the same tyranny and convince ourselves that we did a good job because we didnt lose all our rights then we have still lost and they will erode our liberty further next season. Our rights cannot be taken from us, only surrendered by those too tired and lazy to do the work required to keep them.
When does the push to recall the governor begin?
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Stay the course............Keep up the pressure. Dont let the sherriffs cave.
Its why they always give cops an "exemption".
Carve up the opposition so they are no longer united.
Its why they always give cops an "exemption".
Carve up the opposition so they are no longer united.
We won't vote our way out of this mess no matter where you live. Our Representation is owned and operated by people who want US subjugated and disarmed so they can take our wealth with impunity. There are no term limits - there is no being held accountable for our Representation. We can't throw them out for lying to our faces and serving their own interests instead of protecting ours. No matter if they are Reps or Dems, Fascists or Commies, Libs or Conservatives they no longer work for US - they work for them. Vote how ya want, both of your choices work for the same Oligarchy/Corporate interests.
That said, the people who are drafting these anti 2A laws can tell you to your face that they are not going to enact any illegal laws because they don't see infringement nor dismantling the Right to Keep and Bear as illegal. These people think they own US and that they "make the laws" and dispense Rights to those who deserve them. The concept that our Right to protect ourselves (from them!) comes from our Creator and the fact that we are living humans guarantees US the Right to arms of our choice is not even a thought to them. They think they tell *US* if we can be armed and with what. It's not illegal to make a law that limits or infringes upon people's Rights to them.
They can lie to your face and tell you there will be no illegal laws because they seem themselves as the givers of Rights and the makers of law. They are omnipotent in their own minds so taking yer guns and putting your family in chains is perfectly legal if they make a law that says so.
Fuck 'em all/everywhere.
VooDoo
That said, the people who are drafting these anti 2A laws can tell you to your face that they are not going to enact any illegal laws because they don't see infringement nor dismantling the Right to Keep and Bear as illegal. These people think they own US and that they "make the laws" and dispense Rights to those who deserve them. The concept that our Right to protect ourselves (from them!) comes from our Creator and the fact that we are living humans guarantees US the Right to arms of our choice is not even a thought to them. They think they tell *US* if we can be armed and with what. It's not illegal to make a law that limits or infringes upon people's Rights to them.
They can lie to your face and tell you there will be no illegal laws because they seem themselves as the givers of Rights and the makers of law. They are omnipotent in their own minds so taking yer guns and putting your family in chains is perfectly legal if they make a law that says so.
Fuck 'em all/everywhere.
VooDoo
In their minds this is just a temporary setback. If they get registration that is even worse if people comply!
We must stay vigilant brothers, the fight has just begun.
There is an old saying regarding socialism.
You can vote your way into it but you must shoot your way out of it. Thus the perpetual striving to disarm the population exhibited by socialist.
You can vote your way into it but you must shoot your way out of it. Thus the perpetual striving to disarm the population exhibited by socialist.
Back when there was slavery, its was mostly Southern people who backed it.
Now that slavery has been changed to government aide, welfare, housing for the poor, food stamps you name it and the slave owners will come up with it to get their slaves back
Now that slavery has been changed to government aide, welfare, housing for the poor, food stamps you name it and the slave owners will come up with it to get their slaves back
That doesn't mean we'll not vote or never vote again. Now that the republican and pro-BOR beast has awoken in VA I'd like to see it shit out all this liberal fuckery across the board. I think the dems took this chance to open the oven and warm their majority dicks, if we don't slam it closed on every single one of their issues it will just be done time and time again. In 30-40 years we'll be right back here, limits on the power of the majority must be enforced or our entire nation will accrue unjust laws like a dying man accrues remedies.
Politicians have three jobs, taxing shit, banning shit, and literally crying so they can ban or tax more shit. They almost always make you more dependant upon them at the expense of your own liberty, bold and brash legislation should never be lauded as for the people. If the government cared about you they would teach you to not need them, they would incentivize self-sufficiency and personal protection. If you have kids you don't teach them to depend on you for everything, you raise them to be capable and self-reliant, that's because you actually give a fuck about them. The government does not give a single fuck about any of us, either due to ignorance or evil they will almost always fuck you over "for your own good". Think about how rare it is that any human gets a lot of power and then uses it to actually help others and makes measured rational decisions. I don't think I've seen it in the USA during my lifetime.
So while I certainly don't put much faith in the political system protecting my rights, and in reality don't need it to because I will not give up my 2A, I still think it's a useful way to repel infringements now and in the future. I'm not the kind that's just waiting for the violence to start, I'm very much trying to avoid it and fight on the battlefield at hand. That doesn't mean I will be unprepared when things change, or that I even expect them to stay calm much longer at all. I definitely feel the LGOWI vibe myself, but let them order their cards now as if it matters. Sooner or later they will figure out that we all want to stop playing this fucking game and they should have just left everyone the fuck alone.
Politicians have three jobs, taxing shit, banning shit, and literally crying so they can ban or tax more shit. They almost always make you more dependant upon them at the expense of your own liberty, bold and brash legislation should never be lauded as for the people. If the government cared about you they would teach you to not need them, they would incentivize self-sufficiency and personal protection. If you have kids you don't teach them to depend on you for everything, you raise them to be capable and self-reliant, that's because you actually give a fuck about them. The government does not give a single fuck about any of us, either due to ignorance or evil they will almost always fuck you over "for your own good". Think about how rare it is that any human gets a lot of power and then uses it to actually help others and makes measured rational decisions. I don't think I've seen it in the USA during my lifetime.
So while I certainly don't put much faith in the political system protecting my rights, and in reality don't need it to because I will not give up my 2A, I still think it's a useful way to repel infringements now and in the future. I'm not the kind that's just waiting for the violence to start, I'm very much trying to avoid it and fight on the battlefield at hand. That doesn't mean I will be unprepared when things change, or that I even expect them to stay calm much longer at all. I definitely feel the LGOWI vibe myself, but let them order their cards now as if it matters. Sooner or later they will figure out that we all want to stop playing this fucking game and they should have just left everyone the fuck alone.
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The only thing we could hope for if this takes effect is that the courts will strike it down.
People must wake up and get active.
Still, this is the kind of stuff that always leads to millions of deaths. just like Nazi Germany and the Jews in the 1930s I believe
If we fail to learn from the lessons of the past then we are doomed to repeat them in the future.
It all comes back to seatbelt laws.
First it was a suggestion. Then a non fine violation. Then a fine but only if stopped for another violation. Then a fine and stoppable violation.
Now you get two officers approaching you hands on weapons to issue you a ticket “ for your own safety.” Resist and be killed, I guess for your own safety as well.
First it was a suggestion. Then a non fine violation. Then a fine but only if stopped for another violation. Then a fine and stoppable violation.
Now you get two officers approaching you hands on weapons to issue you a ticket “ for your own safety.” Resist and be killed, I guess for your own safety as well.
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The question of the constitutionality of 'grandfathering' is an interesting one. I'm not sure it has been addressed, at least in regards to firearms and the 2A (there is likely some precedent from other cases that apply to other issues). I certainly hope 'grandfathering' would not be considered constitutional. The entire concept is an insult to the past and an injustice to the future. It says "The past actions where not constitutional and we are correcting by denying our children and our children's children this right." Terrible precedent and at the extreme could be used to undermine many rights.
Why can't these politicians propose "Violence Control" instead of "Gun Control"? For example, "A Cop at Every School" Law. Certainly everyone (or nearly everyone) can get behind policy aimed at reducing violence and maybe we could make some progress against this mass fatality events...
Why can't these politicians propose "Violence Control" instead of "Gun Control"? For example, "A Cop at Every School" Law. Certainly everyone (or nearly everyone) can get behind policy aimed at reducing violence and maybe we could make some progress against this mass fatality events...
This is state level. Many of the seats the communists hold were because there was no opposition party. Uncontested?
Even the craziest Demonrats aren't going to vote on anti gun bills this close to an election.
This is the period where they make the most promises and biggest lies.
While it's nice to be read, that's not really counter to the point I was trying to make. I'm saying this needs to be opposed with all hands on deck wherever the battlefield may be, and right now it is unanimously on the field of civil political discourse. It is easy to be terrible, it's very difficult to be wise. We must persevere on all points and on all battlefields or there will be no peace for anyone, compromise is absolutely not an option. They pass the infringements and there will be hell to pay, knowing that gives me lots of motivation to deter it. Right now voting and bitching are still the most necessary methods, if anything underlined as such due to the expectation that in a very short time they totally fucking won't be.
Yea, you're right. About every 15-20 years is when the next generation who are oblivious to the mistakes made by those who came before them start demanding we make those same mistakes all over again.
AWESOME. Updating our scoreboard here as soon as I can sit down somewhere.
BTW protestors?
Looks like you have to do this like the new zealanders and not turn in or register a thing and watch them dems say they wont enforce it any more but being americans im expecting less then a 2% turn in because "home of the free" and merica thats why so show them there stupid laws wont do anything
I leaving for the Greene County BOS meeting in about an hour. Update forthcoming.
Over 1000 people at Spotsylvania County meeting right now, hearing speakers and waiting for the vote.
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