Vegas/Jason Aldean Concert Shooting

Weird that Melbourne antifa claimed this guy, and his brother said he moved from Melbourne to Mesquite.

https://ibb.co/kgrDyw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxTCRx-6vD4

Kinda lends credibility to the snapshot of Melbourne Antifa's twitter shit which is now deleted. That pic was snapped sometime before MSM published the brother's story, and the timestamp there shows it was 2 hours before that that melbourne antifa posted that shit.

So, kinda looks to me like some planning happened, and antifa may have had a role in it. Maybe not just an unhappy gambler after all.


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This sucks so bad. Wife had a bunch of friends there confirmed two were shot, many others and some folks I know still unaccounted for. At least 3 of the wives have no info on husbands (2 FF, 1 LEO).

Hate that this happened obviously but very fearful what will happen next.

Not to sound like a hippie but if I knew for certain giving up my guns would 100% stop all gun crime I would be at the front of the line. Reality is it wont and has not in any country that has tried. Despite that fact the grabbers just had an early Christmas.

How about everyone stop reproducing... that will end it faster. Evil has always been here and will always be here. It's up to the good to take care of it when the time comes.
 
This sucks so bad. Wife had a bunch of friends there confirmed two were shot, many others and some folks I know still unaccounted for. At least 3 of the wives have no info on husbands (2 FF, 1 LEO).

Hate that this happened obviously but very fearful what will happen next.

Not to sound like a hippie but if I knew for certain giving up my guns would 100% stop all gun crime I would be at the front of the line. Reality is it wont and has not in any country that has tried. Despite that fact the grabbers just had an early Christmas.

I agree with the humanity under which you make your statement but If giving up all guns stopped "gun crime" it still would leave us vulnerable to "govt crime".

Im sorry for the hits your friends have taken I hope they turn out amongst the lucky ones.
 
Interesting bit of trivia. It is being reported the shooters father was on the FBI's most wanted list in the '60s and 70s.


"Mr. Paddock’s father, Benjamin Patrick Paddock, had a troubled history. He was convicted in 1961 of committing a series of bank robberies, and was sentenced to 20 years in prison. He escaped from La Tuna federal prison in 1968, and was on the F.B.I.’s “Top Ten” most wanted list, through most of the 1970s, according to someone familiar with the investigation.

News accounts from the time said that Benjamin Paddock “employed violence in attempting to evade arrest, and has been diagnosed as being psychopathic, with possible suicidal tendencies.” He was recaptured in 1978 in Oregon, where he was running a bingo parlor.

Benjamin Paddock was also convicted in Illinois in 1946 on 10 counts of auto theft and five counts of running a confidence game. Eric Paddock said the brothers did not know their father."

A genetic basis of psychopathology is poorly understood but seems possible here.
 
"The best defense against evil men, are good men with a violent skill set."

Giving up, or banning firearms ain't ever going to work...because we don't have to power to banish evil from this planet.
 
America is great when we come together. Our real strength.

and why our enemies seek to divide us.

True, but I think that any people, any where, given the opportunity, would do the same. Its just in our nature, or conscience, to help others, maybe because we know that up the road we may need the same.
 
Oh trust me I know it would do zero to change anything which is why I will never surender them.

My comment was a reflection towards liberal logic or lack of. Same idea as socialism might sound ok on paper but execution never works.
 
I give up on the media. They're so desperate to have something to say that they're tripping on their dicks.

The .223 is known as a typical AR-15 round and is common in small game hunting. The .308 is a heavy, long range bullet, meant for big game like elk and black bears. It is commonly used in an AR-10 rifle.

Fully automatic weapons are illegal, but machinists can convert them.

There is one unlikely exception. A machine gun purchased prior to 1986 is eligible for a license from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which issued a tax stamp. But those stamps are almost impossible to acquire.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/0...-bought-more-than-30-weapons-source-says.html
 
"The best defense against evil men, are good men with a violent skill set."

Giving up, or banning firearms ain't ever going to work...because we don't have to power to banish evil from this planet.

That is something that they'll never grasp, that legislation wont stop crimes, it never has.
 
That is something that they'll never grasp, that legislation wont stop crimes, it never has.

Yep, sixteen years of "GWOT" and they're as strong as ever. War on drugs? Laughable. No matter how many wars, medicines, laws, or good intentions in the world, there will always be the battle of good versus evil.
 
^^Now the AR-10 is going to be the poster-child black rifle.

I wouldn't worry about that. I'd worry more about this.

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The bar just got set a helluva lot lower.
 
I wouldn't worry about that. I'd worry more about this.
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The bar just got set a helluva lot lower.

the Vegas DA must have Bush advisers working for him
 
the Vegas DA must have Bush advisers working for him

The mass of people these days function by coining and then understanding various tropes within their common use. When the definition is expanded, the trope, right or wrong, expands as well, and fiction becomes cemented fact. It's all part of something whose advent was understood in the 30s.

Do an image search for "Big Brother." Orwell is blown the fuck out by a televised celebration of egotistical immaturity.

https://www.google.com/search?q=big+brother
 
Yep, sixteen years of "GWOT" and they're as strong as ever. War on drugs? Laughable. No matter how many wars, medicines, laws, or good intentions in the world, there will always be the battle of good versus evil.

A certain Jewish carpenter said it would end one day. Im about ready.

 
some college kids came in from Riverside CA to give blood but they were turned away cause the wait is ten hours to donate.........pretty frigin cool..........
restaurants are going up and down the line giving everybody food. the hospital parking lot looks like a Greatfull Dead concert. everybody wants to help...
Dana White donated a million. go fund me raised 2 mill. sams town casino, southpoint casino and seigle suites offering free rooms to families........
and during all the commotion OJ walked out of jail....................
 
some college kids came in from Riverside CA to give blood but they were turned away cause the wait is ten hours to donate.........pretty frigin cool..........
restaurants are going up and down the line giving everybody food. the hospital parking lot looks like a Greatfull Dead concert. everybody wants to help...
Dana White donated a million. go fund me raised 2 mill. sams town casino, southpoint casino and seigle suites offering free rooms to families........
and during all the commotion OJ walked out of jail....................

Kinda like after the hurricane in Houston. People helping people. More of this, less gubmint BS.
 
Well shit.
This just makes me so sad and so mad.
There is little I hate. Evil such as this is right at the top of the list.

Prayers for all the dead and injured, all those in fire, ems, police and all the hospital staff. And for all those stepping up with all they are doing.

 
It sure took the local police long enough to go get him, the creep practically had all night to shoot up the place.

Being that this would be the first long distance mass shooting, you shouldn't judge. The Mandalay Bay has 3309 rooms of which about 1000 would have been facing the venue. Reports I have heard is under 30 mins start to finish. Once the smoke detector went off in his room it has been reported that it was over in approx 5 mins.

 
As big as the area was LVPD got there PDQ in my opinion and put an end to the gunman. I know he took his life but, not until the door blew in. It takes total courage to run towards automatic weapons fire. My heart goes out to all affected by this Senseless Tragedy! # Vegas Strong
 
For those that have questioned the 2 windows broken out. I believe this is the floor plan of the room he was in. Vista suite.

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Good article on time line. looks like shooting lasted approx 12 minutes (first shot at 10:08, last shot heard at 10:20). LEO was outside his door in 16 minutes (10:24) SWAT arrives at 10:28, spent the next 50 min securing the floor. Flash bang deployed at approx 11:20.

W54/XM-388 that is pretty fucking fast to be outside his door on the 32nd floor 400 yards away from the impact zone in 12-16 minutes. He had cameras outside the room door. Looks like as soon as he saw the first LEO he shot himself.

 
I don't know much about shooting. Buy my job has given me insight as to character. And on this one It brings tears to my eyes to say that the good old US of A is going inside out again. Through and after out country's birth to the 1850s we were solid. The civil war was pure hell. Then the industrial age which need politics and money to Pearl Harbour. Then the talking call that got the lazy off there assets. Too the good years at home while the evil nations plotted. Then the Nk and Veitcongs that started to tear the nation apart to Watergate to Clinton to 9-11 that rallied the nation together again to the pacifists to the leftists to the unhappy countrymen to the implosion of an unsatisfied national community. That is the current bent of terrorism. And in business we call it a destructive culture. However this does not help the berieved. Or prayers and God will bring in understanding and relief.
 
A terrorist in Nice killed 86 people with a truck last year.
Not sure if it was an automatic or manual, so perhaps some regulation is in order.
I think it also had a device on it that suppressed the sound to levels to below what would be considered harmful to human hearing. Clearly, more people died because of that muffler.
 
A thought about the pre-meditation involved here:
What I have read, puts him at 5-600 yards from these poor people. At 32 floors, you are talking roughly 300 feet above them. If he was using an AR platform, we are talking some serious bullet drop at that range. With him firing in the dark and without any sort of tracer rounds, he had to have spent SOME time planning this...
Or am I over thinking this?
 
One other thing to those that are frustrated that they can't somehow make this horrible tragedy go away...it happened for a reason and everything that you want to do to him is nothing in comparison to what he is already going through. Now we pick up the pieces and stay strong.
 
It's pretty obvious it was well planned. His father was a genius and he had a lot of time even for a dummy so he would have had to read the compass backwards to miss someone. I figure that if he was firing 5.56 he would have needed 1000 rounds to do the damages at the range. 308 or better 500 rounds. Although the casualty to wound ratio does point towards 5.56
 
A thought about the pre-meditation involved here:
What I have read, puts him at 5-600 yards from these poor people. At 32 floors, you are talking roughly 300 feet above them. If he was using an AR platform, we are talking some serious bullet drop at that range. With him firing in the dark and without any sort of tracer rounds, he had to have spent SOME time planning this...
Or am I over thinking this?

Yes your over thinking it. While it did take some serious planning. There is no proof that he was aiming for one single person. Also i don't have my chart in front of me but .223 at 600 yards is 12 or 16 mil (enough that my Gen I raxor still has more to give).

He was shooting into a 4 acre arrea filled with people. There was no marksmanship skills involved. Target area was approximately 160,000 square feet with 22,000 people.
 
It's pretty obvious it was well planned. His father was a genius and he had a lot of time even for a dummy so he would have had to read the compass backwards to miss someone. I figure that if he was firing 5.56 he would have needed 1000 rounds to do the damages at the range. 308 or better 500 rounds. Although the casualty to wound ratio does point towards 5.56

Why would he need 1000 rnds of 556? At 500 yards 556 still has velocity of 1700 fps, 500 ftlbs of energy. More than most hand guns. I sure as hell wouldn't want to catch one.

Not alll 527 wounded were gun shots. In is being said not even 1/2 were. Most were injured trying to escape.
 
A thought about the pre-meditation involved here:
What I have read, puts him at 5-600 yards from these poor people. At 32 floors, you are talking roughly 300 feet above them. If he was using an AR platform, we are talking some serious bullet drop at that range. With him firing in the dark and without any sort of tracer rounds, he had to have spent SOME time planning this...
Or am I over thinking this?

Way, way, way over thinking this. First, ignore the elevation- all you really need to know is a decent guess for the distance from the base of where you're shooting to your targets (for this purpose anyway)- that seems to have been about 400 yards from the stage. Now, if you just did a simple, 25m battle sight zero on an M4, you're using dead hold for chest shots at 300m. Sights on chest, bullet hits chest, no adjustments required. Now, he was clearly aiming not at a point target, but an area target. Max effective range for an M4 with M855/A1 on an area target is 550m; he's effectively 365m to the stage, no more than 500m to his most likely furthest areas of fire. Well within max effective range, and wouldn't require any sight adjustment on a BZO for such use on an area target.

Literally, without an optic, he could have done a 25m BZO, used tritium FSP and two dot rear peep and been raining down highly effective fire. With an optic, zeroed to 100 yards, he would have likely been around 3.7mil for elevation at 500m. And, almost entirely open fields of fire to boot.

This would not take much skill at all to pull off.
 
Yes your over thinking it. While it did take some serious planning. There is no proof that he was aiming for one single person. Also i don't have my chart in front of me but .223 at 600 yards is 12 or 16 mil (enough that my Gen I raxor still has more to give).

He was shooting into a 4 acre arrea filled with people. There was no marksmanship skills involved. Target area was approximately 160,000 square feet with 22,000 people.

Finally. Thank You. Sustained, directed (not aimed) artillery fire.

In one video a woman is standing straight up, purse in one hand, pointing at the Mandalay, during a period of active fire. Looked "foolish", but I'm not judging. Have no idea what was available for cover in the concert area. But it does provoke some thought about how I would have reacted and the lessons everyone here could kearn from my mistakes....