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Vegas/Jason Aldean Concert Shooting
- Thread starter MosesTheTank
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I agree with the humanity under which you make your statement but If giving up all guns stopped "gun crime" it still would leave us vulnerable to "govt crime".
Im sorry for the hits your friends have taken I hope they turn out amongst the lucky ones.
"Mr. Paddock’s father, Benjamin Patrick Paddock, had a troubled history. He was convicted in 1961 of committing a series of bank robberies, and was sentenced to 20 years in prison. He escaped from La Tuna federal prison in 1968, and was on the F.B.I.’s “Top Ten” most wanted list, through most of the 1970s, according to someone familiar with the investigation.
News accounts from the time said that Benjamin Paddock “employed violence in attempting to evade arrest, and has been diagnosed as being psychopathic, with possible suicidal tendencies.” He was recaptured in 1978 in Oregon, where he was running a bingo parlor.
Benjamin Paddock was also convicted in Illinois in 1946 on 10 counts of auto theft and five counts of running a confidence game. Eric Paddock said the brothers did not know their father."
A genetic basis of psychopathology is poorly understood but seems possible here.
"The best defense against evil men, are good men with a violent skill set."
Giving up, or banning firearms ain't ever going to work...because we don't have to power to banish evil from this planet.
Giving up, or banning firearms ain't ever going to work...because we don't have to power to banish evil from this planet.
Wow. Instruction from a fake news source ... about what is and isn't fake news.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-misinformation-about-the-las-vegas-shooting/
Mind-boggling.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-misinformation-about-the-las-vegas-shooting/
Mind-boggling.
they found ammonium nitrate and tanerite in his car.
calibers ranged between 223 and 308.
the line to give blood is 500 people deep....
calibers ranged between 223 and 308.
the line to give blood is 500 people deep....
America is great when we come together. Our real strength.
and why our enemies seek to divide us.
True, but I think that any people, any where, given the opportunity, would do the same. Its just in our nature, or conscience, to help others, maybe because we know that up the road we may need the same.
Oh trust me I know it would do zero to change anything which is why I will never surender them.
My comment was a reflection towards liberal logic or lack of. Same idea as socialism might sound ok on paper but execution never works.
My comment was a reflection towards liberal logic or lack of. Same idea as socialism might sound ok on paper but execution never works.
I give up on the media. They're so desperate to have something to say that they're tripping on their dicks.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/0...-bought-more-than-30-weapons-source-says.html
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/0...-bought-more-than-30-weapons-source-says.html
99% of people can't tell the difference from 10 ft away so that really makes no difference.
That is something that they'll never grasp, that legislation wont stop crimes, it never has.
Yep, sixteen years of "GWOT" and they're as strong as ever. War on drugs? Laughable. No matter how many wars, medicines, laws, or good intentions in the world, there will always be the battle of good versus evil.
I wouldn't worry about that. I'd worry more about this.
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The bar just got set a helluva lot lower.
The mass of people these days function by coining and then understanding various tropes within their common use. When the definition is expanded, the trope, right or wrong, expands as well, and fiction becomes cemented fact. It's all part of something whose advent was understood in the 30s.
Do an image search for "Big Brother." Orwell is blown the fuck out by a televised celebration of egotistical immaturity.
https://www.google.com/search?q=big+brother
They couldn't get guns banned with the term "assault rifle" so they have to change tactics to try and get them another way.
ADAs are just government hired lawyers, but elected DAs combine both lawyer and politician for a perfect storm of scum. This fucker is just that, and he needs to stop attention whore stumping and read the fucking law books again. Or is he too busy with his reality TV show to do his job of upholding the law...
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2332a
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2332a
Has anyone heard from all of the Sin City bunch?
I saw Chiller checked in but others have not.
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I saw Chiller checked in but others have not.
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some college kids came in from Riverside CA to give blood but they were turned away cause the wait is ten hours to donate.........pretty frigin cool..........
restaurants are going up and down the line giving everybody food. the hospital parking lot looks like a Greatfull Dead concert. everybody wants to help...
Dana White donated a million. go fund me raised 2 mill. sams town casino, southpoint casino and seigle suites offering free rooms to families........
and during all the commotion OJ walked out of jail....................
restaurants are going up and down the line giving everybody food. the hospital parking lot looks like a Greatfull Dead concert. everybody wants to help...
Dana White donated a million. go fund me raised 2 mill. sams town casino, southpoint casino and seigle suites offering free rooms to families........
and during all the commotion OJ walked out of jail....................
Kinda like after the hurricane in Houston. People helping people. More of this, less gubmint BS.
It sure took the local police long enough to go get him, the creep practically had all night to shoot up the place.
Looks like 75 minutes, from first shot to entry on the 32nd floor, long ass time... sad shit
I wish Hillary would go the fuck away already
I wish Hillary would go the fuck away already
Have not seen a definitive timeline and info is spotty. He did aparently shoot a hotel guardthrough the door and guests reported the camera(s) he put outside the room.
Putting that together sounds like that was the kick off.
Putting that together sounds like that was the kick off.
Well shit.
This just makes me so sad and so mad.
There is little I hate. Evil such as this is right at the top of the list.
Prayers for all the dead and injured, all those in fire, ems, police and all the hospital staff. And for all those stepping up with all they are doing.
This just makes me so sad and so mad.
There is little I hate. Evil such as this is right at the top of the list.
Prayers for all the dead and injured, all those in fire, ems, police and all the hospital staff. And for all those stepping up with all they are doing.
Being that this would be the first long distance mass shooting, you shouldn't judge. The Mandalay Bay has 3309 rooms of which about 1000 would have been facing the venue. Reports I have heard is under 30 mins start to finish. Once the smoke detector went off in his room it has been reported that it was over in approx 5 mins.
As big as the area was LVPD got there PDQ in my opinion and put an end to the gunman. I know he took his life but, not until the door blew in. It takes total courage to run towards automatic weapons fire. My heart goes out to all affected by this Senseless Tragedy! # Vegas Strong
For those that have questioned the 2 windows broken out. I believe this is the floor plan of the room he was in. Vista suite.
Good article on time line. looks like shooting lasted approx 12 minutes (first shot at 10:08, last shot heard at 10:20). LEO was outside his door in 16 minutes (10:24) SWAT arrives at 10:28, spent the next 50 min securing the floor. Flash bang deployed at approx 11:20.
W54/XM-388 that is pretty fucking fast to be outside his door on the 32nd floor 400 yards away from the impact zone in 12-16 minutes. He had cameras outside the room door. Looks like as soon as he saw the first LEO he shot himself.
W54/XM-388 that is pretty fucking fast to be outside his door on the 32nd floor 400 yards away from the impact zone in 12-16 minutes. He had cameras outside the room door. Looks like as soon as he saw the first LEO he shot himself.
I don't know much about shooting. Buy my job has given me insight as to character. And on this one It brings tears to my eyes to say that the good old US of A is going inside out again. Through and after out country's birth to the 1850s we were solid. The civil war was pure hell. Then the industrial age which need politics and money to Pearl Harbour. Then the talking call that got the lazy off there assets. Too the good years at home while the evil nations plotted. Then the Nk and Veitcongs that started to tear the nation apart to Watergate to Clinton to 9-11 that rallied the nation together again to the pacifists to the leftists to the unhappy countrymen to the implosion of an unsatisfied national community. That is the current bent of terrorism. And in business we call it a destructive culture. However this does not help the berieved. Or prayers and God will bring in understanding and relief.
A terrorist in Nice killed 86 people with a truck last year.
Not sure if it was an automatic or manual, so perhaps some regulation is in order.
I think it also had a device on it that suppressed the sound to levels to below what would be considered harmful to human hearing. Clearly, more people died because of that muffler.
Not sure if it was an automatic or manual, so perhaps some regulation is in order.
I think it also had a device on it that suppressed the sound to levels to below what would be considered harmful to human hearing. Clearly, more people died because of that muffler.
A thought about the pre-meditation involved here:
What I have read, puts him at 5-600 yards from these poor people. At 32 floors, you are talking roughly 300 feet above them. If he was using an AR platform, we are talking some serious bullet drop at that range. With him firing in the dark and without any sort of tracer rounds, he had to have spent SOME time planning this...
Or am I over thinking this?
What I have read, puts him at 5-600 yards from these poor people. At 32 floors, you are talking roughly 300 feet above them. If he was using an AR platform, we are talking some serious bullet drop at that range. With him firing in the dark and without any sort of tracer rounds, he had to have spent SOME time planning this...
Or am I over thinking this?
One other thing to those that are frustrated that they can't somehow make this horrible tragedy go away...it happened for a reason and everything that you want to do to him is nothing in comparison to what he is already going through. Now we pick up the pieces and stay strong.
It's pretty obvious it was well planned. His father was a genius and he had a lot of time even for a dummy so he would have had to read the compass backwards to miss someone. I figure that if he was firing 5.56 he would have needed 1000 rounds to do the damages at the range. 308 or better 500 rounds. Although the casualty to wound ratio does point towards 5.56
Yes your over thinking it. While it did take some serious planning. There is no proof that he was aiming for one single person. Also i don't have my chart in front of me but .223 at 600 yards is 12 or 16 mil (enough that my Gen I raxor still has more to give).
He was shooting into a 4 acre arrea filled with people. There was no marksmanship skills involved. Target area was approximately 160,000 square feet with 22,000 people.
Why would he need 1000 rnds of 556? At 500 yards 556 still has velocity of 1700 fps, 500 ftlbs of energy. More than most hand guns. I sure as hell wouldn't want to catch one.
Not alll 527 wounded were gun shots. In is being said not even 1/2 were. Most were injured trying to escape.
Way, way, way over thinking this. First, ignore the elevation- all you really need to know is a decent guess for the distance from the base of where you're shooting to your targets (for this purpose anyway)- that seems to have been about 400 yards from the stage. Now, if you just did a simple, 25m battle sight zero on an M4, you're using dead hold for chest shots at 300m. Sights on chest, bullet hits chest, no adjustments required. Now, he was clearly aiming not at a point target, but an area target. Max effective range for an M4 with M855/A1 on an area target is 550m; he's effectively 365m to the stage, no more than 500m to his most likely furthest areas of fire. Well within max effective range, and wouldn't require any sight adjustment on a BZO for such use on an area target.
Literally, without an optic, he could have done a 25m BZO, used tritium FSP and two dot rear peep and been raining down highly effective fire. With an optic, zeroed to 100 yards, he would have likely been around 3.7mil for elevation at 500m. And, almost entirely open fields of fire to boot.
This would not take much skill at all to pull off.
Yep. I had the feeling His path is actively being prepped for a couple of years now; the last few months and living wher you and I do make me certain if it, and we are going to endure mich, much worse before He comes.
Finally. Thank You. Sustained, directed (not aimed) artillery fire.
In one video a woman is standing straight up, purse in one hand, pointing at the Mandalay, during a period of active fire. Looked "foolish", but I'm not judging. Have no idea what was available for cover in the concert area. But it does provoke some thought about how I would have reacted and the lessons everyone here could kearn from my mistakes....
