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I saw on Fox News that the guy used Slide Fire stocks on his weapon. Whether it's true or not won't matter to Slide Fire as they will be under the gun by Dems after this has been reported.
"Like sand through an hour glass, so goes the days of our lives".
This thread is going pear shaped...
This shit started with the court houses and metal detectors, evolved in airports with the naked body scanners, evolved to be more palatable for the masses with the simplified images that don't show the goods and slightly less harmful technology, and will continue to evolve into something that's pretty damn prevalent in everyone's lives.
Banks, grocery stores, events big and small, hotels, casinos, schools, police stations, subways, hospitals, etc.
News conference going on right now the sheriff confirmed the "bump stock".
I have refrained from comment on this issue on the many forums I lurk on because I doubt I can say anything new or meaningful. However, I do think think the LEOs, medical personel and other first responders deserve a huge shout out. Aside from the massive effort required to respond to concert site, the hospital staffs have done yeoman's work, and to a previous point, clearing a massive hotel full drunk, sleeping or generally unaware people cannot be comprehended.
Well done all of you! Prayers for all involved.
The big picture you're missing is the line between restricted areas and non restricted. Airports and court houses are a completely different ball game from every day public or semi public areas. What you're proposing may as well completely do away with carry and so forth. Not to mention any fucking freedoms... really, body scanners at a fucking grocery store? Cut your fucking nuts off right now because you're a pussy for even suggesting this.
What do you do for a living?
Does an accountant get his dick sucked every time he does your taxes? Does a chef get a parade every time he cooks dinner?
I applaud first responders and the difficult job they do day in and day out. No doubt it's a very honorable profession.
I just don't commend those for doing what's in their job description. They signed up for it.
And yeah, I'm a Marine, was in Iraq and all that jazz. And you know what? Whoopadedoo!!!! Don't need no thanks or pat on the backs.
Save that bullshit for the fobbit's.
Look at the stack of hundred round mags he had
K mr Wilson, I would suggest a better forum for your rant like http://www.thefifthcolumn.xyz/Forum/
more in line with one of the world's worst mass shootings @ your coffee shoppe in Taz. When, not if an event like the USA just encountered happens in your neck of the globe - or worse, yall wish your legislators would have seen the writing on the wall B4 they banned guns
no need to worry about China as they are an ally ...
I didn't write the article and it's hardly a rant when recounting history and fact. Fact is, as tragic as Las Vegas is, the point of the article is that your government won't introduce legislative change no matter how many mass shootings occur in the US. Fact is there have been over 11,500 deaths in the US as a result of firearms this year alone, that's a small town effectively wiped out. You lost less troops in hostile combat in Iraq and Afghanistan. We didn't ban guns in Australia, we got rid of semi-automatic rifles and made some decent changes as to how one can legally acquire a bolt action rifle or handgun. Our firearm related deaths have fallen steadily since Port Arthur, which proves a commonsense approach to gun control actually works. I just hope that none of the good people on this forum ever suffers the tragedy of losing a loved one to gun violence.
So sad, you missed the point completely.
There was a movie a long time ago called "The Package". This whole thing reminds me of that.
There is NO WAY that he did this by himself. Too many things do not add up. I must have listened to the machine gun fire 20 times yesterday. I have fired a bunch of FA and the cyclic rate sounded wrong for an AR15. I went to YouTube and pulled up some videos of FA 15s to re-familiarize myself with the sound and they did not sound like what I heard on the newsfeeds. Maybe it was echo or something to explain it but I swear it sounded more like a slower belt fed type of weapon to me. Moreover, why did he have 10 rifles up there. I did not hear anything that I would categorize as having a semi-auto acoustic signature. Truth be told; we will never know what was in the room.
I would doubt that the truth will come out. There are too many institutions that are involved that have a huge ax to grind against the right. By institutions I mean, media and other funding organizations. I have my doubts that 2A will come through this whole. Trump will cave and offer concessions.
The point where a non American comes here to explain to us who we are, how it's better where you are because you willing gave up freedoms, suggest we legistlate away our freedoms in ways that have already proven they will not reduce violent crime and are not likely to pass Supreme Court review? FYI, gun violence also includes people that blow their own brains out and crackheads that need shooting. In case you missed my point, go to hell.
So sad, you missed the point completely.
You didn't actually make a point with your childish insult, but I digress, I just pity you guys the next time it happens.
Is it wrong that I was wishing it was a homade DIAS or filed sear. The fact it was an off the shelf item it just going to fuel the lib fires.
Theres that term again " firearms deaths"........sure firearms deaths may have dropped....but what about overall homicide cases?...imma guess that number didnt change 1 bit.I didn't write the article and it's hardly a rant when recounting history and fact. Fact is, as tragic as Las Vegas is, the point of the article is that your government won't introduce legislative change no matter how many mass shootings occur in the US. Fact is there have been over 11,500 deaths in the US as a result of firearms this year alone, that's a small town effectively wiped out. You lost less troops in hostile combat in Iraq and Afghanistan. We didn't ban guns in Australia, we got rid of semi-automatic rifles and made some decent changes as to how one can legally acquire a bolt action rifle or handgun. Our firearm related deaths have fallen steadily since Port Arthur, which proves a commonsense approach to gun control actually works. I just hope that none of the good people on this forum ever suffers the tragedy of losing a loved one to gun violence.
You didn't actually make a point with your childish insult, but I digress, I just pity you guys the next time it happens.
I understand your points about gun culture in America but I think what is missed isn't that we have guns per-se, it is that our society is deteriorating and the end results are that we are killing each other. A lot can be said about why this is occurring but it normally can be whittled down to a deterioration of a moral fabric in our society. We have always had guns but mass-shootings are a more recent phenomenon.
If we decided to do what Australia did years ago I don't think it would end killing completely as we have those amongst us that are sick and will find other ways. There are over 300 million guns in America and that is not a small task for collecting those up and the American psyche is to fight that if the time comes. America was built from immigrants that left their countries for a reason and were adventurers who were not afraid to fight for what they believed in. That is now in our DNA...that is a part that a lot of people don't understand.
Thank you for the rational response. I'm in no way suggesting you need to ban guns, I really don't see your second amendment ever being amended and your government operates differently than that of Australia's. It's just sad that with the proliferation of so many firearms that these occurrences are sadly becoming more common, for a variety of reasons including society deteriorating as you mention. I'm a Federal Police officer in Australia, so I carry a gun every day at work, I've also had tactical training and gone head on with some serious crims here, plus I've investigated and dismantled international drug syndicates among other things so I take my safety seriously. I shoot F-class on weekends (love the smell of gunpowder on a Saturday arvo) and occasionally go hunting, so yes, I like guns. You've got access to firearms we simply don't have here, and there's a few nice tools for the trade which you make and sell which I'd certainly like to own but never will due to the laws here.
Amending your laws to reflect Australia's certainly wouldn't eliminate gun violence, that's impossible, as you say, you have too many guns in circulation as it is. We just had another government gun buyback here with 26,000 guns recently handed in. Won't solve gun violence here, arguably it makes some difference though. My question is, despite all of these recent tragedies you have gone through in the US such as Las Vegas, Sandy Hook, The Orlando nightclub, the list goes on...Is there anything as a nation which you can realistically do to prevent these types of tragedies from occurring? Are there any reasonable measures the US government could implement without being howled down? These questions go back to the news article I posted a bit further up, there's no way American citizens will give up their firearms, I'm not suggesting you should, but what happens the next time another shooting like this occurs? Is there an end game to this and any way to debate the issue rationally?
OK, but can we do the same to you, when the next war breaks out. You guys still drive trucks down there, as I think after France they should be banned as well. In fact his body count was 87 dead so tell me what is worse a gun or truck? His killing time frame was much shorter as well. Here again blaming the object is as about as stupid as being a subject in my book, yours? Dr's kill more everyday in the US than cars, trucks or guns, so tell me what we should ban first, based upon your train of thought?
soros, will be done before the end of next year (says Putin) so you better be looking for another job,
Kwilson has 246 posts since 2012. Not very many but anyway.
Bill of Rights... Period.
Evil will find a way. Gun, truck, knife, sharp stick. Doesn't matter. "Firearm Deaths" also will include suicide. Who gives a shit? Stastics are nothing more than modified numbers specifically pulled together for a pre-chosen outcome. If a magic wand was somehow waved and every gun was instantly banned, a suicidal person would still find a way to make it happen just as an evil person would find a way.
To me there are no "sensible gun regulations" but only a slow erosion of my gun rights as spelled out in the Bill of Rights.
Why does someone choose to own guns? Because I can. No different than why someone chooses to own a muscle car. A Prius gets better gas mileage but who cares? If someone wants a 1969 Mach 1 Mustang with a carb that drinks more gas than a toilet can flush, to each his own.
I will not give up my guns because of a liberal thinks it's a good idea.
Kwilson asked for facts. How about the singer who handed over his personal fiream to an FBI agent so he could guard a group of them when they were barricaded from the Vegas gunman? What about the congressman who still supports the 2nd amendment after the ballfield shooting? What about the women in Kentucky who shot and killed her ex after he broken into her house in violation of a court order? Those are 3 factual examples of exactly what the 2nd amendment was included. (With the other reason being to related to that little event known as the "American Revolution" going up against a government that didn't follow the will of the people.).
The short answer is no because as one of your fellow subjects said a few posts up, the criminals still have their guns. Every so called “common sense” gun law does nothing more than make it more difficult for the law abiding to own a gun.
Gun laws are about control, not safety. Don’t you ever believe otherwise. They can package it up any way they want but it has nothing to do with safety.
The greatest joy i have today today in the aftermath of this (of which BTW my sister was there and yes she is safe) is that the gun control agenda has a huge problem. This cartoon sums it up perfectly.
By all means, Australia is far from perfect but that's beside the point of this thread. Please re-read my comment - I didn't suggest you ban anything. Is there anything your country can rationally do to reduce the likelihood of these events occurring again?
I just saw a report where the shooter was prescribed diazepam.
Isn't a major common thread between a lot if not all of incidents like this the prescription use of this and similar meds? Actually a legit question because it seems I recall reading after Sandy Hook something on this.
If it's true, it would certainly seem to be something more to look at rather than guns. (Not that logic will factor into the gun-grabbers agenda)
These lady kept her cool so well. Weird shit at 4:58, though. Are we completely sure that flashy stuff aint from a muzzle?