Vegas/Jason Aldean Concert Shooting
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I saw on Fox News that the guy used Slide Fire stocks on his weapon. Whether it's true or not won't matter to Slide Fire as they will be under the gun by Dems after this has been reported.
News conference going on right now the sheriff confirmed the "bump stock".
The usual suspects are all saying how if they could only finally take all everybody's guns away nobody would ever die again or some such garbage.
Apparently they quickly forgot how much fun & games the "refugees" are having in Europe with knives, bombs, trucks & cars.
You could have gotten just as big of a massacre with a big truck, a pickup truck with some gas cans & gas tanks, a large drone or couple with some fuel/air incendiary devices, crashing a small plane, remote control vehicles either large or tiny with incendiary / explosive payloads etc.
I will say however if that had been an Obama rally, I'm pretty sure the shooting would have been stopped a few moments after it started.
Perhaps it's just a fact given this crazy world full of people who are having hatred for (specifically western people, christian people, white people, anyone different from them people), we might need to say better security needs to be paid for when approving any large gatherings, and have a lot better things setup.
If any of the Republicans think they can get away with caving in & giving up our rights for show, best let them know they are on thin ice already with their whole year of doing nothing but fighting trump (at least Obama got his evil Obama Care passed hell or high water), and if they pull a stunt like that, we'll throw them all out of Washington at the primaries, or even if we all have to vote Democrat for 2 turns to clean them out fully & get new people in 3rd and 4th turn.
Apparently they quickly forgot how much fun & games the "refugees" are having in Europe with knives, bombs, trucks & cars.
You could have gotten just as big of a massacre with a big truck, a pickup truck with some gas cans & gas tanks, a large drone or couple with some fuel/air incendiary devices, crashing a small plane, remote control vehicles either large or tiny with incendiary / explosive payloads etc.
I will say however if that had been an Obama rally, I'm pretty sure the shooting would have been stopped a few moments after it started.
Perhaps it's just a fact given this crazy world full of people who are having hatred for (specifically western people, christian people, white people, anyone different from them people), we might need to say better security needs to be paid for when approving any large gatherings, and have a lot better things setup.
If any of the Republicans think they can get away with caving in & giving up our rights for show, best let them know they are on thin ice already with their whole year of doing nothing but fighting trump (at least Obama got his evil Obama Care passed hell or high water), and if they pull a stunt like that, we'll throw them all out of Washington at the primaries, or even if we all have to vote Democrat for 2 turns to clean them out fully & get new people in 3rd and 4th turn.
"Like sand through an hour glass, so goes the days of our lives".
This thread is going pear shaped...
This thread is going pear shaped...
. "True, legally transferrable NFA weapons are not that common, do not hit the market often and are very pricey". Pricey, I agree. But plenty on the market. Anyone with $20,000 could have a M16 in the time it took to get a stamp. $200,000 would buy a M240, for sale right now though few made before 1986. Even a GE Minigun is for sale right now.
Is it wrong that I was wishing it was a homade DIAS or filed sear. The fact it was an off the shelf item it just going to fuel the lib fires.
The big picture you're missing is the line between restricted areas and non restricted. Airports and court houses are a completely different ball game from every day public or semi public areas. What you're proposing may as well completely do away with carry and so forth. Not to mention any fucking freedoms... really, body scanners at a fucking grocery store? Cut your fucking nuts off right now because you're a pussy for even suggesting this.
What do you do for a living?
Thus far just pics of those two.
Curious of the full list because that will most likely become the next ban list.
Curious of the full list because that will most likely become the next ban list.
I have refrained from comment on this issue on the many forums I lurk on because I doubt I can say anything new or meaningful. However, I do think think the LEOs, medical personel and other first responders deserve a huge shout out. Aside from the massive effort required to respond to concert site, the hospital staffs have done yeoman's work, and to a previous point, clearing a massive hotel full drunk, sleeping or generally unaware people cannot be comprehended.
Well done all of you! Prayers for all involved.
Well done all of you! Prayers for all involved.
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Lol, that last one was funny as fuck.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you're stuck on the prohibited items. That's NOT what I'm proposing.
The REALLLY big picture is a COMPLETE consolidation of ALL AVAILABLE information systems. This is what FANG is about, this is why these companies make SO MUCH MONEY.
Let me give you some examples which all converge on this topic, and, indeed, are all part of the same big idea.
Search Engines (including porn sites, Netflix, Youtube, Hulu, etc)
- Track everything you're interested in
+ This information is bundled up and sold
Social Media
- Track everything you talk about, with whom you talk, and with whom they talk
+ This information is bundled up and sold
Credit/Debit cards, PayPal, other electronic forms of payment
- Track everywhere you buy things, sometimes track even what specifically you bought
+ This information is bundled up and sold
e-commerce sites (e.g., Amazon, Google Play Store, Wal-Mart.com)
- Track everything you buy, and where you have shit shipped
+ This information is bundled up and sold
Cameras/GPS
- Track YOU, your vehicle, where you go, when you go there, etc
+ I dunno how people monetize this stuff, but it would not surprise me if it's bundled up and sold
Phones
- Pretty much the same as Social Media (this is what I do for a living)
+ This information is bundled up and sold
**NEW** Scanners
- Track what is in your possession
+ This information can be bundled up and sold
So, who's buying the shit? Well, lots of people, for lots of reasons. Has nothing to do with security. In the case of the body scanners everywhere, it can help from a security standpoint, but it can also be used for other purposes. Just because you walk through one of these things with a gun on your hip doesn't mean an alarm is going to sound and you're going to get harassed by federales. It just means that that jacket you're wearing may conceal your gun from most folks, but not from the machines. It would entirely depend on the corporate policy what happens after that.
Example: It's SHOT show time, management configures the machines to pretty much ignore all weapon detections. They don't even want to know about it. They just rely now on their trained staff and facial recognition software to determine if someone's about to go section 8 or do something stupid.
Another example: It's just an ordinary fucking day, management wants a ping whenever someone with a handgun comes in and they want security to check out anyone using anything to try to subvert the system, and keep an eye on anyone carrying many weapons or any long arms comes in.
In either example, thousands of people come and go. You can see their phone(s), laptop(s), other shit. You can maybe identify them by any hotel key cards they're carrying, or pair these records with the facial recognition software to tie names to the objects seen by the scanners, and all of that shit can be bundled up and sold. Looking at the data accumulated over a month, you might see that 63% of your customers are armed, 4% frequently have flasks or bottles of liquor on or about their person, 89% carry at least one cell phone, 25% have cigarettes, 20% have lighters, 3% carry more than one cell phone, 32% have laptops with them, 2% have artificial limbs, 13% have fake breasts, 42% wear glasses, 53% have car keys with them, etc etc etc.
All of that is tremendously valuable to other people. Whether you like it or not, the direction is to increase the amount of things people can know about other people without having to ask them about it or disturb them in any way. Security was never the goal, just a sometimes convenient byproduct.
Search for 'Monetizing information' on youtube, lots of lectures from all different backgrounds.
Whether I do it or not, won't stop it from being done. I have no idea how to stop it. People just love to ooze information all over everything.
Guess we’’d best stop handing out the MOH, Purple Heart, and other commendations. Ya know...its a part of the job. <Sarcasm>
What these people signed up for was helping others and protecting their community. And they did just that, only in what I would call an extremely perilous setting. Nothing, and I repeat NOTHING would have prepared these people for that level of carnage and mayhem. The fact that they drove on and kept their shit together even when faced with such a massive amount of patients and the unknown of making it home to their families is something I feel should be commended. Id guarantee that there will be members who will end up leaving the profession because of the things they had to see that day. I can only hope that the management of all these members acts appropriately and offers the proper CISM programs to their staff.
As for you not getting a pat on the back for fighting for your countries freedom, I want to say thank you for all the you have sacrificed and for serving your country. Dont really care if you want it or not, you deserve it, just as every person that serves to make their country/community a better place.
That room is so fuckin' ugly I'm surprised he didn't end himself before he started up on the poor bastards across the street.
It's an absolute tragedy what has occurred in Las Vegas and it's impossible not to feel sorry for the victims and families of all the victims. No, I'm not American, I live in Australia where we suffered one of the world's worst mass shootings in 1996 at Port Arthur, Tasmania. The Australian government introduced gun control and reform after our tragedy, and thankfully we have never come close to experiencing anything like that again as a result. Secondly, I'm a cop, and the general public in Australia does not have access to semi-automatic rifles and the like, and to possess a firearm here you must have a genuine reason for doing, which is generally being a member of a competitive shooting club, or a letter from a rural land owner who gives you permission to hunt on their property. Anyway I digress, I thought I'd post the below article from a well travelled and respected Australian journalist, it's more of an outsider perspective looking in at your country but I feel he makes some valid points about the American way of life. I have several friends from Australia who live in the US, and several of them own guns, as is their right to do so but they were stunned at just how easy it is to acquire them.
Anyway, here is the article: [h=1]Why Americans will never give up their guns[/h]
AMERICA truly is the greatest nation on earth. But there is a reason why they won’t give up their guns and more people will die. Joe Hildebrand - www.news.com.au
AMERICA is the greatest country on earth. Indeed, in terms of sheer power, scale and sphere of influence it is probably the greatest country that has ever been.
No other nation could destroy the world as many times over should it so choose, nor has any other nation so charmed and enthralled the world with all it produces. It conquers its enemies with its armies and colonises them with its culture.
And that is because the United States of America isn’t just a people or a place. It’s an idea. And it is because of that idea that the United States seems determined to literally shoot itself to death.
There is probably no nation on earth whose foundations have been so idealised and mythologised. It was “discovered” by a great explorer so hopelessly lost he thought he had landed in India.
It was colonised by “persecuted” pilgrims who then killed people for witchcraft. And it was enshrined as a nation which cherished “liberty” by men who themselves owned slaves. Even the name America comes from a colourful Italian businessman who may have fabricated the very documents about the New World that now bears his name.
In this sense it was the perfect successor to the first great Western power, Rome — a city which was established as a haven for criminals and rogues and populated by the kidnapping and rape of women but which historians would later declare founded by two brothers raised by a she-wolf and a Trojan prince.
Little wonder that even in its earliest days America considered herself to be the New Rome and that Washington DC was carefully constructed to emulate the awe and spectacle of the ancient capital.
But this is neither scandalous nor surprising. All great powers need more than land and armies; they need the mythology and founding principles that an army will fight for. They need that ideal.
In Rome the ideal was the humble citizen who diligently ploughed his farm until he was called upon to serve his country. This was embodied in the form of Lucius Quintius Cincinnatus, an elder statesman who was called upon to defend Rome from an invasion that was set to wipe out the fledgling republic — an event which could have completely recast Western civilisation as we know it today.
Cincinnatus accepted the role of dictator, saved the city and then gave up near-absolute power to return to his plough.
That was Republican Rome’s great myth, its great idea: That no matter how much power a man was given he would always be grounded in humility, hard work and service. Just like Elton John, even when he was offered the Yellow Brick Road, he would always go back to his plough.
But what has Lucius Quintius Cincinnatus got to do with America you might ask? Well, the Americans liked him so much they named a city after him. And not just any city but the first major city founded after the American Revolution: Cincinnati, Ohio — often referred to as the first “purely American” city.
And as soon as the War of Independence ended in 1783 its leading officers got together and formed an elite order to preserve the ideals of the Continental Army. They called it the Society of the Cincinnati and its first president was none other than the first president of the United States of America, George Washington himself.
Then in 1789, with another revolution afoot in America’s oldest ally of France, the Second Amendment to the Constitution proposed this now famous decree:
“A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
Just like in the Old Rome, the New Rome’s ideal hero was a farmer-citizen-soldier, a free man who, when duty called, would willingly down his tools and pick up a weapon in service of his country.
The only difference was that whereas the ideal Roman was supposed to down his weapon and return to his labours after the event, the ideal American was supposed to hold on to his weapon should the need arise again.
For Rome the national symbol was the plough, but for America it became the gun.
America’s latest shooting horror is little different to the multitude of previous mass shootings the nation has tolerated in the past, it is just bigger and more bloody. And thus there is little reason to think it will change America’s mind.
Personally, I still cannot contemplate anything more horrific than the Sandy Hook massacre in which 20 six and seven-year-old children were progressively shot dead by a young man wandering through a primary school with a bolt-action rifle.
I mean honestly, just think about that.
If the mass murder of six year olds cannot persuade US lawmakers to tighten gun controls then God help a bunch of country music fans in Vegas.
The response of the gun rights brigade to this and other atrocities is typically to entangle the issue in absurd hypotheticals or childish logic.
For Sandy Hook they said that the teachers should have had guns so they could kill the gunman, yet clearly that would have done nothing to stop a sniper from a 32nd floor window above the Strip.
Or they will say that terrorists use trucks to kill people — should we ban them too? This is just as excruciatingly dumb as a certain infamous leftist argument that falling refrigerators kill more people in the US than terrorists.
It hurts my brain to have to say this but here we go: Trucks, much like refrigerators, have uses other than random assassination. They are not designed to kill. Guns and terrorists, on the other hand, are.
And of course there’s the famous “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people” routine.
Well yes, people certainly do kill people, and they’re much more likely to kill them with a @#$%ing machine gun in their hand.
But all of these debates are actually completely beside the point. Because while the arguments of the American gun lobby are often painfully semantic, their basic position is in fact profoundly spiritual.
The belief among many Americans in the right to bear arms is an article of faith.That right, moreso even than the arms themselves, is part of the idea of America that they were born and raised to believe in. The idea of freedom, of the individual’s supremacy over government and of the need to resist any imagined tyranny that might be around the corner. This is pretty much unique to any Western country but it just so happens that the Western country it is unique to is the most powerful on the planet.
And so whereas many liberal Americans think about gun control as just throwing away a deadly piece of metal, many libertarian Americans see it as throwing away a fundamental cornerstone of the American ethos. As far as they’re concerned we might as well be asking them to stop being American at all.
The gun control debate will never be won unless we understand this chasm and bridge it but as usual the left and the right are arguing at cross purposes. Liberals think they’re talking about a machine and libertarians think they’re talking about an ideal.
Then there is the practical problem, and that great Catch-22 question of whether America needs more guns precisely because it has too many guns — almost as many as it has people.
Just today a senior correspondent told me about an American bloke he’d met who refused to drive through Maryland because state law required him to keep his gun in the boot of his car.
“How am I ever gonna get to it?” he asked, as though it was a rhetorical question.
And why would he need to get to it? Well in case someone pulled a gun on him of course.Indeed, it is impossible not to reason that many of the police shootings in the US that have sparked the Black Lives Matter campaign and torn the country in two have been fuelled perhaps not so much by blanket racism as skittish cops who never know when someone is going to pull a gun on them. How else to explain the equally bizarre shooting of a white Australian woman by a black police officer?
Thus America’s foundational obsession with the firearm isn’t just destroying people’s lives, it’s also destroying the very fabric of the union — which has always been stretched and frayed at best.
And this is deeply dangerous not just for Americans but for all of us.
Despite all its flaws and contradictions, America truly is the greatest nation on earth in terms of military might, economic prosperity and social, political and cultural capital.
There is still no power more vital to global security and stability and yet it is currently looking more insecure and unstable than at any other time in its century-long reign of influence.
More worrying is that this is occurring in a critical window of opportunity for China to become the dominant world superpower, Russia to reassert itself as a resurgent expansionist nationalist power and rogue elements such as North Korea and Syria to potentially spark seismic power shifts, if not all out war.
True American patriots might do well to wonder if continuing to allow unfettered access to all manner of firearms in this age of instability is really the best idea. They might also wonder if a bunch of innocent country music fans — of whom many were no doubt red-blooded Republican patriots themselves — deserved to be shot dead at random by a gun you can buy at a corner store.
If they really want to make America great again perhaps they could start by changing the laws so that Americans kill more terrorists than they do each other.
PS: The other thing about gun control is that it wasn’t always the NRA’s fault. Up until the mid-1970s the National Rifle Association was a group focused on hunting and sports shooting. Then in 1977 at a late-night meeting in a Midwestern city a group of gun rights activists launched a surprise coup and made it the undefeatable lobby group it is today.
They even had a name for that night. They called it the Revolt at Cincinnati.
Anyway, here is the article: [h=1]Why Americans will never give up their guns[/h]
AMERICA truly is the greatest nation on earth. But there is a reason why they won’t give up their guns and more people will die. Joe Hildebrand - www.news.com.au
AMERICA is the greatest country on earth. Indeed, in terms of sheer power, scale and sphere of influence it is probably the greatest country that has ever been.
No other nation could destroy the world as many times over should it so choose, nor has any other nation so charmed and enthralled the world with all it produces. It conquers its enemies with its armies and colonises them with its culture.
And that is because the United States of America isn’t just a people or a place. It’s an idea. And it is because of that idea that the United States seems determined to literally shoot itself to death.
There is probably no nation on earth whose foundations have been so idealised and mythologised. It was “discovered” by a great explorer so hopelessly lost he thought he had landed in India.
It was colonised by “persecuted” pilgrims who then killed people for witchcraft. And it was enshrined as a nation which cherished “liberty” by men who themselves owned slaves. Even the name America comes from a colourful Italian businessman who may have fabricated the very documents about the New World that now bears his name.
In this sense it was the perfect successor to the first great Western power, Rome — a city which was established as a haven for criminals and rogues and populated by the kidnapping and rape of women but which historians would later declare founded by two brothers raised by a she-wolf and a Trojan prince.
Little wonder that even in its earliest days America considered herself to be the New Rome and that Washington DC was carefully constructed to emulate the awe and spectacle of the ancient capital.
But this is neither scandalous nor surprising. All great powers need more than land and armies; they need the mythology and founding principles that an army will fight for. They need that ideal.
In Rome the ideal was the humble citizen who diligently ploughed his farm until he was called upon to serve his country. This was embodied in the form of Lucius Quintius Cincinnatus, an elder statesman who was called upon to defend Rome from an invasion that was set to wipe out the fledgling republic — an event which could have completely recast Western civilisation as we know it today.
Cincinnatus accepted the role of dictator, saved the city and then gave up near-absolute power to return to his plough.
That was Republican Rome’s great myth, its great idea: That no matter how much power a man was given he would always be grounded in humility, hard work and service. Just like Elton John, even when he was offered the Yellow Brick Road, he would always go back to his plough.
But what has Lucius Quintius Cincinnatus got to do with America you might ask? Well, the Americans liked him so much they named a city after him. And not just any city but the first major city founded after the American Revolution: Cincinnati, Ohio — often referred to as the first “purely American” city.
And as soon as the War of Independence ended in 1783 its leading officers got together and formed an elite order to preserve the ideals of the Continental Army. They called it the Society of the Cincinnati and its first president was none other than the first president of the United States of America, George Washington himself.
Then in 1789, with another revolution afoot in America’s oldest ally of France, the Second Amendment to the Constitution proposed this now famous decree:
“A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
Just like in the Old Rome, the New Rome’s ideal hero was a farmer-citizen-soldier, a free man who, when duty called, would willingly down his tools and pick up a weapon in service of his country.
The only difference was that whereas the ideal Roman was supposed to down his weapon and return to his labours after the event, the ideal American was supposed to hold on to his weapon should the need arise again.
For Rome the national symbol was the plough, but for America it became the gun.
America’s latest shooting horror is little different to the multitude of previous mass shootings the nation has tolerated in the past, it is just bigger and more bloody. And thus there is little reason to think it will change America’s mind.
Personally, I still cannot contemplate anything more horrific than the Sandy Hook massacre in which 20 six and seven-year-old children were progressively shot dead by a young man wandering through a primary school with a bolt-action rifle.
I mean honestly, just think about that.
If the mass murder of six year olds cannot persuade US lawmakers to tighten gun controls then God help a bunch of country music fans in Vegas.
The response of the gun rights brigade to this and other atrocities is typically to entangle the issue in absurd hypotheticals or childish logic.
For Sandy Hook they said that the teachers should have had guns so they could kill the gunman, yet clearly that would have done nothing to stop a sniper from a 32nd floor window above the Strip.
Or they will say that terrorists use trucks to kill people — should we ban them too? This is just as excruciatingly dumb as a certain infamous leftist argument that falling refrigerators kill more people in the US than terrorists.
It hurts my brain to have to say this but here we go: Trucks, much like refrigerators, have uses other than random assassination. They are not designed to kill. Guns and terrorists, on the other hand, are.
And of course there’s the famous “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people” routine.
Well yes, people certainly do kill people, and they’re much more likely to kill them with a @#$%ing machine gun in their hand.
But all of these debates are actually completely beside the point. Because while the arguments of the American gun lobby are often painfully semantic, their basic position is in fact profoundly spiritual.
The belief among many Americans in the right to bear arms is an article of faith.That right, moreso even than the arms themselves, is part of the idea of America that they were born and raised to believe in. The idea of freedom, of the individual’s supremacy over government and of the need to resist any imagined tyranny that might be around the corner. This is pretty much unique to any Western country but it just so happens that the Western country it is unique to is the most powerful on the planet.
And so whereas many liberal Americans think about gun control as just throwing away a deadly piece of metal, many libertarian Americans see it as throwing away a fundamental cornerstone of the American ethos. As far as they’re concerned we might as well be asking them to stop being American at all.
The gun control debate will never be won unless we understand this chasm and bridge it but as usual the left and the right are arguing at cross purposes. Liberals think they’re talking about a machine and libertarians think they’re talking about an ideal.
Then there is the practical problem, and that great Catch-22 question of whether America needs more guns precisely because it has too many guns — almost as many as it has people.
Just today a senior correspondent told me about an American bloke he’d met who refused to drive through Maryland because state law required him to keep his gun in the boot of his car.
“How am I ever gonna get to it?” he asked, as though it was a rhetorical question.
And why would he need to get to it? Well in case someone pulled a gun on him of course.Indeed, it is impossible not to reason that many of the police shootings in the US that have sparked the Black Lives Matter campaign and torn the country in two have been fuelled perhaps not so much by blanket racism as skittish cops who never know when someone is going to pull a gun on them. How else to explain the equally bizarre shooting of a white Australian woman by a black police officer?
Thus America’s foundational obsession with the firearm isn’t just destroying people’s lives, it’s also destroying the very fabric of the union — which has always been stretched and frayed at best.
And this is deeply dangerous not just for Americans but for all of us.
Despite all its flaws and contradictions, America truly is the greatest nation on earth in terms of military might, economic prosperity and social, political and cultural capital.
There is still no power more vital to global security and stability and yet it is currently looking more insecure and unstable than at any other time in its century-long reign of influence.
More worrying is that this is occurring in a critical window of opportunity for China to become the dominant world superpower, Russia to reassert itself as a resurgent expansionist nationalist power and rogue elements such as North Korea and Syria to potentially spark seismic power shifts, if not all out war.
True American patriots might do well to wonder if continuing to allow unfettered access to all manner of firearms in this age of instability is really the best idea. They might also wonder if a bunch of innocent country music fans — of whom many were no doubt red-blooded Republican patriots themselves — deserved to be shot dead at random by a gun you can buy at a corner store.
If they really want to make America great again perhaps they could start by changing the laws so that Americans kill more terrorists than they do each other.
PS: The other thing about gun control is that it wasn’t always the NRA’s fault. Up until the mid-1970s the National Rifle Association was a group focused on hunting and sports shooting. Then in 1977 at a late-night meeting in a Midwestern city a group of gun rights activists launched a surprise coup and made it the undefeatable lobby group it is today.
They even had a name for that night. They called it the Revolt at Cincinnati.
Weapons seem oddly placed... I would expect them oriented more or less the same way, not scattered like some demented pentagram or something.
Indont know about you but i tend to always have the muzzle away from me. This looks like a display set up. The magazines are all together but the rifles aren't. Maybe LE moved the weapons and not the magazines?
no blood from the shooter close to the magazine pile?
yes, that is some ugly ass carpet.
Indont know about you but i tend to always have the muzzle away from me. This looks like a display set up. The magazines are all together but the rifles aren't. Maybe LE moved the weapons and not the magazines?
no blood from the shooter close to the magazine pile?
yes, that is some ugly ass carpet.
K mr Wilson, I would suggest a better forum for your rant like http://www.thefifthcolumn.xyz/Forum/
more in line with one of the world's worst mass shootings @ your coffee shoppe in Taz. When, not if an event like the USA just encountered happens in your neck of the globe - or worse, yall wish your legislators would have seen the writing on the wall B4 they banned guns
no need to worry about China as they are an ally ...
more in line with one of the world's worst mass shootings @ your coffee shoppe in Taz. When, not if an event like the USA just encountered happens in your neck of the globe - or worse, yall wish your legislators would have seen the writing on the wall B4 they banned guns
no need to worry about China as they are an ally ...
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I didn't write the article and it's hardly a rant when recounting history and fact. Fact is, as tragic as Las Vegas is, the point of the article is that your government won't introduce legislative change no matter how many mass shootings occur in the US. Fact is there have been over 11,500 deaths in the US as a result of firearms this year alone, that's a small town effectively wiped out. You lost less troops in hostile combat in Iraq and Afghanistan. We didn't ban guns in Australia, we got rid of semi-automatic rifles and made some decent changes as to how one can legally acquire a bolt action rifle or handgun. Our firearm related deaths have fallen steadily since Port Arthur, which proves a commonsense approach to gun control actually works. I just hope that none of the good people on this forum ever suffers the tragedy of losing a loved one to gun violence.
The point where a non American comes here to explain to us who we are, how it's better where you are because you willing gave up freedoms, suggest we legistlate away our freedoms in ways that have already proven they will not reduce violent crime and are not likely to pass Supreme Court review? FYI, gun violence also includes people that blow their own brains out and crackheads that need shooting. In case you missed my point, go to hell.
Listened to the audio a lot. Limited exposure to full autos, but they are either running or not. A SAW runs even speed. I keep hearing a change in rate if fire that reminds me of a Gatling being cranked; maybe it’s the quality of the audio source, but I don’t think so. Frankly I think it’s irrelevant outside of personal curiosity. EDIT: just covered posts I hadn’t yet read. Saw the info on the SlideFire stocks. Guess my ears didn’t deceive me.
Refocus.
The last big news story was this riot in Charlottesville where one woman and two State Troopers lost their lives. Now this. More is coming, folks, get ready for it. I have a twisted feeling in my gut that the time we need our firearms may be very close, and man, I’m wishing for quiet days at the range for the sake of my family and everyone who cherishes Freedom.
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You didn't actually make a point with your childish insult, but I digress, I just pity you guys the next time it happens.
No-one from outside this country gets the point. Blaming an inanimate object for an action is absurd. Many, if not all issues in our country are a direct result of a deteriorating moral fabric, a refusal to assimilate or a failure to accept responsibility and consequences. Much as the Bible serves as a bedrock for life for a lot of people, the US constitution is the bedrock of this nation and the American dream and spirit. Neither are living documents that can, or should be changed to suit the swinging pendulum of the extremes. We all agree this type of thing is a tragedy. That's never in question. You see that any time something terrible happens. People helping people, regardless of race or politics or income. There is evil in this world, always has been and always will. Taking a basic right away from the masses is not an effective way to curtail that. The US has had the best medical system in the world but you see more and more it's getting worse and people health declining. That's because America has been moving more towards treating symptoms and reactionary measures than preventive measures. Knee jerk reactions and symptom treating is no way to prevent things, so too with violence. We have become so divided over the last administration that we can't even have conversations anymore because the middle ground even keeled masses are drowned out by the loud extreme minorities. When it comes to our bill of rights and our constitution, anyone who wants to change it has a means to do so. It's a hard row to hoe and rightfully so. That's the genius behind it. Prevent the mob from overruling the whole, you saw that with our election too. If you're not governed by it and don't share the American spirit and dream, you can't possibly understand what it means, what it provides you and why it's so special. If you have a problem with it, the door is always open to leave. Anyone not a part of it can shove their opinions up their ass. Our rights are not for you to understand or question.
I understand your points about gun culture in America but I think what is missed isn't that we have guns per-se, it is that our society is deteriorating and the end results are that we are killing each other. A lot can be said about why this is occurring but it normally can be whittled down to a deterioration of a moral fabric in our society. We have always had guns but mass-shootings are a more recent phenomenon.
If we decided to do what Australia did years ago I don't think it would end killing completely as we have those amongst us that are sick and will find other ways. There are over 300 million guns in America and that is not a small task for collecting those up and the American psyche is to fight that if the time comes. America was built from immigrants that left their countries for a reason and were adventurers who were not afraid to fight for what they believed in. That is now in our DNA...that is a part that a lot of people don't understand.
Ha. Libs are self fueling, Anchor, it’s what they do. Stems from their firm belief they know better what is good for you and I than we do. Facts are superseded my emotion and dogma. Any issue that runs contrary to their desire to rule everyone else only inflames them further. I’ve found that trying to have a rational discussion with one is a challenge, to say the least, owing to their higher regard for philosophy over fact. To liberals, an individual mind is a dangerous thing that, if left incontrolled and to its own devices, might do something rash...like shoot ip a crowd of concertgoers in Vegas. Never mind that the values such a person holds is actually an altered construct of the liberal thought process.
Like an immobile bronze statue in a distant park that a young woman associated with a controversial city council member characterizes as “threatening”. Three people are dead because of the ensuing consequences.
Time for us to ponder what is most sacred to us, time to pray for peace, time to choose words wisely, not in anger, time to unite over the larger issue and not divide ourselves over petty differences. Time to screw ourselves to the sticking place in the hopes that those who would take Freedom from us would see a wall of unity with quiet demanor, kind intent, but fierce resolve should lines be crossed after fair notice, and seeing that quiet yet determined group of like minded peoples, might possibly step back from taking us closer to the brink. May God Bless us and have Mercy on us all.
Theres that term again " firearms deaths"........sure firearms deaths may have dropped....but what about overall homicide cases?...imma guess that number didnt change 1 bit.
what difference does it make HOW soneone died?.....is a "firearms death" somehow worse than a "stabbing death"?...or a "beating death"?
honestly ide rather be shot than stabbed to death
the thing about "firearm death" numbers is its also takes into account gang related deaths, justifiable shootings and suicides.......and honestly, those account for the MAJORITY lf "firearms deaths" in this country........especially the gang numbers, gabgs are going to kill eachother no matter what weapons they have
OK, but can we do the same to you, when the next war breaks out. You guys still drive trucks down there, as I think after France they should be banned as well. In fact his body count was 87 dead so tell me what is worse a gun or truck? His killing time frame was much shorter as well. Here again blaming the object is as about as stupid as being a subject in my book, yours? Dr's kill more everyday in the US than cars, trucks or guns, so tell me what we should ban first, based upon your train of thought?
soros, will be done before the end of next year (says Putin) so you better be looking for another job,
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ZenBiker990,
Arguing with a lib is much like trying to teach a dog to yodel. Waste of your time and it just confuses the dog.
Arguing with a lib is much like trying to teach a dog to yodel. Waste of your time and it just confuses the dog.
Thank you for the rational response. I'm in no way suggesting you need to ban guns, I really don't see your second amendment ever being amended and your government operates differently than that of Australia's. It's just sad that with the proliferation of so many firearms that these occurrences are sadly becoming more common, for a variety of reasons including society deteriorating as you mention. I'm a Federal Police officer in Australia, so I carry a gun every day at work, I've also had tactical training and gone head on with some serious crims here, plus I've investigated and dismantled international drug syndicates among other things so I take my safety seriously. I shoot F-class on weekends (love the smell of gunpowder on a Saturday arvo) and occasionally go hunting, so yes, I like guns. You've got access to firearms we simply don't have here, and there's a few nice tools for the trade which you make and sell which I'd certainly like to own but never will due to the laws here.
Amending your laws to reflect Australia's certainly wouldn't eliminate gun violence, that's impossible, as you say, you have too many guns in circulation as it is. We just had another government gun buyback here with 26,000 guns recently handed in. Won't solve gun violence here, arguably it makes some difference though. My question is, despite all of these recent tragedies you have gone through in the US such as Las Vegas, Sandy Hook, The Orlando nightclub, the list goes on...Is there anything as a nation which you can realistically do to prevent these types of tragedies from occurring? Are there any reasonable measures the US government could implement without being howled down? These questions go back to the news article I posted a bit further up, there's no way American citizens will give up their firearms, I'm not suggesting you should, but what happens the next time another shooting like this occurs? Is there an end game to this and any way to debate the issue rationally?
When fishing, the bait has to be up to par with the type of fish, so all you libtards keep baiting people who have the ability to think for their self, your fishing trips will last much longer that way. I know you tards hate it because free men an free thinkers won't bit your hook but, keep up your trolling an death gamesmanship, an when we decide it's time to bit you won't be disappointed in the fight. Like said long ago, just be careful of that you wish, as the out come may not be to your liking. This was caused by an fully funded by the left, an will fall on their door step like a rock very soon. Hoping the others on the BOLO list are caught, before they have accidents.
In order to prepare for the questions and be able to respond appropriately, I suggest looking at gunfacts.info. It has lots of statistics and information to combat gun control myths. For example there is an entire page focused on dispelling the myth that other countries with strict gun control have less violence.
http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/guns-in-other-countries/
That page clearly shows with graphs, facts and references to support it, that Australia has the highest sexual assault and violent assault rate of industrialized countries. Moreover it shows that the overall crime rate has risen significantly since the changes in firearm laws.
As an aside, today's mother Jones article paints a bad picture of where the gun debate is going.
http://www.motherjones.com/crime-ju...-vegas-shooter-didnt-just-snap-they-never-do/
They say Paddock isn't evil, didn't snap and wasn't crazy. They claim he was just a normal gun guy (like the rest of us) and that the signs of this happening was that he owned and knew how to use firearms.
http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/guns-in-other-countries/
That page clearly shows with graphs, facts and references to support it, that Australia has the highest sexual assault and violent assault rate of industrialized countries. Moreover it shows that the overall crime rate has risen significantly since the changes in firearm laws.
As an aside, today's mother Jones article paints a bad picture of where the gun debate is going.
http://www.motherjones.com/crime-ju...-vegas-shooter-didnt-just-snap-they-never-do/
They say Paddock isn't evil, didn't snap and wasn't crazy. They claim he was just a normal gun guy (like the rest of us) and that the signs of this happening was that he owned and knew how to use firearms.
Kwilson has 246 posts since 2012. Not very many but anyway.
Bill of Rights... Period.
Evil will find a way. Gun, truck, knife, sharp stick. Doesn't matter. "Firearm Deaths" also will include suicide. Who gives a shit? Stastics are nothing more than modified numbers specifically pulled together for a pre-chosen outcome. If a magic wand was somehow waved and every gun was instantly banned, a suicidal person would still find a way to make it happen just as an evil person would find a way.
To me there are no "sensible gun regulations" but only a slow erosion of my gun rights as spelled out in the Bill of Rights.
Why does someone choose to own guns? Because I can. No different than why someone chooses to own a muscle car. A Prius gets better gas mileage but who cares? If someone wants a 1969 Mach 1 Mustang with a carb that drinks more gas than a toilet can flush, to each his own.
I will not give up my guns because of a liberal thinks it's a good idea.
Kwilson asked for facts. How about the singer who handed over his personal fiream to an FBI agent so he could guard a group of them when they were barricaded from the Vegas gunman? What about the congressman who still supports the 2nd amendment after the ballfield shooting? What about the women in Kentucky who shot and killed her ex after he broken into her house in violation of a court order? Those are 3 factual examples of exactly what the 2nd amendment was included. (With the other reason being to related to that little event known as the "American Revolution" going up against a government that didn't follow the will of the people.).
Bill of Rights... Period.
Evil will find a way. Gun, truck, knife, sharp stick. Doesn't matter. "Firearm Deaths" also will include suicide. Who gives a shit? Stastics are nothing more than modified numbers specifically pulled together for a pre-chosen outcome. If a magic wand was somehow waved and every gun was instantly banned, a suicidal person would still find a way to make it happen just as an evil person would find a way.
To me there are no "sensible gun regulations" but only a slow erosion of my gun rights as spelled out in the Bill of Rights.
Why does someone choose to own guns? Because I can. No different than why someone chooses to own a muscle car. A Prius gets better gas mileage but who cares? If someone wants a 1969 Mach 1 Mustang with a carb that drinks more gas than a toilet can flush, to each his own.
I will not give up my guns because of a liberal thinks it's a good idea.
Kwilson asked for facts. How about the singer who handed over his personal fiream to an FBI agent so he could guard a group of them when they were barricaded from the Vegas gunman? What about the congressman who still supports the 2nd amendment after the ballfield shooting? What about the women in Kentucky who shot and killed her ex after he broken into her house in violation of a court order? Those are 3 factual examples of exactly what the 2nd amendment was included. (With the other reason being to related to that little event known as the "American Revolution" going up against a government that didn't follow the will of the people.).
The short answer is no because as one of your fellow subjects said a few posts up, the criminals still have their guns. Every so called “common sense” gun law does nothing more than make it more difficult for the law abiding to own a gun.
Gun laws are about control, not safety. Don’t you ever believe otherwise. They can package it up any way they want but it has nothing to do with safety.
The greatest joy i have today today in the aftermath of this (of which BTW my sister was there and yes she is safe) is that the gun control agenda has a huge problem. This cartoon sums it up perfectly.
By all means, Australia is far from perfect but that's beside the point of this thread. Please re-read my comment - I didn't suggest you ban anything. Is there anything your country can rationally do to reduce the likelihood of these events occurring again?
Appreciate the response, it's interesting to hear your perspective on the issue, although my post count has no relevance whatsoever to this issue.
Glad to hear your sister is safe. And yes, the irony of the cartoon says it all really.
No. If it's going to happen it's going to happen. People need to realize they are putting themselves at risk by going to large outdoor events with tens of thousands of easy targets, and assess whether the enjoyment of going is worth the risk. That is the world we live in, and it is reality. US, UK, Mid East, doesn't matter.
Can't afford a security detail and sweep equal to a presidential speech at every football game, concert, and school play. Mandatory annual psychological evaluation of 325 million people?
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I just saw a report where the shooter was prescribed diazepam.
Isn't a major common thread between a lot if not all of incidents like this the prescription use of this and similar meds? Actually a legit question because it seems I recall reading after Sandy Hook something on this.
If it's true, it would certainly seem to be something more to look at rather than guns. (Not that logic will factor into the gun-grabbers agenda)
Isn't a major common thread between a lot if not all of incidents like this the prescription use of this and similar meds? Actually a legit question because it seems I recall reading after Sandy Hook something on this.
If it's true, it would certainly seem to be something more to look at rather than guns. (Not that logic will factor into the gun-grabbers agenda)
It's becoming a more common trend for people, ie criminals, to use as a means of legal defence in arguing their case before court. We just had a guy who ran this legal defence in Western Australia after he sexually assaulted two minors aged 4 and 5. He copped 10 years which for Australia is significant. You guys probably would have given him two life sentences which I would be much happier with.
The thing to do is listen to the different distances you hear gunfire from. One sounds like it's right overhead, the rest sound a lot farther away.
"Cincinnatus accepted the role of dictator, saved the city and then gave up near-absolute power to return to his plough."
An interesting aside to this is tha t Washington coud have become a dictator. He was the only President elected unanimously...twice, and retired to his farm, Mt Vernon, by his own choice, just like Cincinnatus.
You will never stop crazy or stupid that is fact from the beginning of time. What you can do is correct the root issue that drove him an others to kill on a mass scale. Do you have any clue as to what those may be? It's not one issue it's a handful of seemingly none connected issues combined. The weapon of choice is but a tool, in this case a tool glorified in a on going war that makes trillions for those who have a vested interest in seeing it drag on. There are 4 other issues that if combined lay the foundation of his deed, name them! They are as plain as the nose on everyone's face yet most reject them as being unworthy to drive a sane person over the edge. However they are/have been proven to be effective with those who are weak minded, an easily lead astray. It is seen on this site an others all the time if you know what your looking for, an can read between the lines. One can bait with a question, or event what if, an find true intent very quickly.
What if I said he could have killed 1k or more in a faster time frame an with a everyday product everyone uses, would you call for that to be banned as well? Gun control is not an has never been about guns, it's about control only but should be labeled People control. The USA is the only country stopping the NWO or OWO depending your choice of words, in order to take over the USA they have to get the guns, plain an simple, this was a act by the extreme left an those who will have a seat at the NWO table, nothing more, nothing less. You like facts, every-time there is major gun legislation coming up for a vote there is always a mass shooting, that seem odd to you or don't you think for yourself? This belongs to the left an left only as every mass shooter to-date has been a reg damocrate, or that is not odd either? Smoke an mirrors is their game an the bulk of the American public is caught up an very deep in the other 4 issues I gave hint to earlier. Think for your self don't follow the herd as the herd is why we have the problem in this country an world we do. Then again to see that you have to think!
