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Join the contest SubscribeYes understood on the fine tuning. For how I use a LPVO I simply don't have time (or want to) be fiddling with parallax.It’s not about adjusting out parallax error, it’s about focus. Even with a 24mm objective, when using 10x, things get out of focus at farther and closer distances pretty quickly.
Looks like it wasn’t meant to be common knowledge. Linked page is dead this morning.Everyone have their wallets ready?
Vortex AMG 1-10x24mm FFP EBR-9 Super Short Riflescope AMG-11098
FREE SHIPPING on Vortex AMG 1-10x24mm FFP EBR-9 Super Short Riflescope AMG-11098www.eurooptic.com
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A bit cheaper if you have LE/mil/veteran discount.
Looks like it wasn’t meant to be common knowledge. Linked page is dead this morning.
Only if it spoke with the new range finder and gave you dope. Otherwise there is no way I'm spending that kind of money on a 1-10.Is a really great 1-10x worth $4k though...
It's like a Rolex, not everyone is supposed to have it.Only if it spoke with the new range finder and gave you dope. Otherwise there is no way I'm spending that kind of money on a 1-10.
Only because Rolex artificially restricts their inventory.It's like a Rolex, not everyone is supposed to have it.
Only because Rolex artificially restricts their inventory.
Though, you do have a point as this seems to be an artificially raised price. … or we’re just seeing the fallout of several years of massive inflation on an American made optic.
I was in the jewelry and diamond business including having a Rolex account for many years before I sold my business to a larger corporation. Rarity and exclusivity creates desire and value. There's an entire market for it. It's a very simple business model; people want what they can't have. If you can afford it and you want it, you will simply buy it. It's not for everyone, especially if you can't afford it.
That is true because Rolex discontinues products right away when a market / demand still exists. It's a perfect recipe for a gray market.But people who want and can afford Rolexes can’t buy them, because Rolex artificially limits it. There are tons of people, who can easily afford Rolex, who avoid Rolex because of their crappy policies regarding wait lists and artificially limiting inventory.
Their MSRPs and actual prices at dealers is fairly reasonable. It’s Rolex’s policies, and the resulting grey market and flippers that make Rolex unattainable.
The MSRP of the Rolex Submariner isn’t crazy. ~$9k. For some reason people are averse to spending money on a watch that will last you a lifetime and can be passed onto their children, but don’t bat an eye at spending tens of thousands of dollars on their rifles, night vision with sensors that have a life-span… or the latest golf clubs… or…Rolex is an Everyman watch you guys…y’all know that right?
It's not. It's FFP. The ad had it as FFPIf the scope is dual focal plane like the S&B and lacks distortion like my new S&B short dot dual, then it will be worth $4k.
I also agree with the point that what we really want to see is the optic Vortex developed for the XM5 program: optic + rangefinder, etc.
Where is your distortion? When on CC I asume? I get some when on CC but I never use that mag level anyway. I love this damn thing from 5x-8x though. Not sure it can be beat there.If the scope is dual focal plane like the S&B and lacks distortion like my new S&B short dot dual, then it will be worth $4k.
I also agree with the point that what we really want to see is the optic Vortex developed for the XM5 program: optic + rangefinder, etc.
Nothing I've used has come even close to itWhere is your distortion? When on CC I asume? I get some when on CC but I never use that mag level anyway. I love this damn thing from 5x-8x though. Not sure it can be beat there.
My S&B has ZERO distortion. Sorry if I didn’t make that clear. I see no distortion CC-8x on my S&B.Where is your distortion? When on CC I asume? I get some when on CC but I never use that mag level anyway. I love this damn thing from 5x-8x though. Not sure it can be beat there.
It won’t be, your optic puts the MSRP or whatever that really high prices and then they commonly sell them for less than that on a regular basis. I’m thinking it might be more like 2500 - 3k
Liberty Optics will have it cheaper.I can't imagine 4k will be the actual street price for this thing. There's no way.
Gotcha and yes, I shouldn't have used distortion either, I have none of that, it's just that when on CC it seems LESS than 1x. More like .95x or something.My S&B has ZERO distortion. Sorry if I didn’t make that clear. I see no distortion CC-8x on my S&B.
My point was I can see paying $4k for this Vortex AMG 1-10x if it is superior to the Vortex Razor Gen III, has a dual focal plane like the S&B short dot dual, and lacks any “fish eye” distortion on 1x. I also want to see a crisp picture on 6-8x. Very few of these 1-8 and 1-10x LPVOs do both ends well. There are always compromises. For $4k, it better be Short Dot Dual good.
Use the diopter to adjust what you're looking at. Going to depend on how far and what you're looking at as wellGotcha and yes, I shouldn't have used distortion either, I have none of that, it's just that when on CC it seems LESS than 1x. More like .95x or something.
I did, but I optimize diopter for the high end since I piggyback a RDS. Likely most of my issue.Use the diopter to adjust what you're looking at. Going to depend on how far and what you're looking at as well
Yea that's exactly why.I did, but I optimize diopter for the high end since I piggyback a RDS. Likely most of my issue.
It’s only going to their SOF and they’re only buying ~1,600 of them. We’ll see if they exercise their option for more.… The Brits seemed to like it for them to pay $$$ for the scope + what is essentially a SR-15 and QDC suppressor with vent holes. Given their notoriously tight budgets, I am shocked they paid that much money for new rifles. ….
thanks for explaining. I'm going to make sure mine is set right when I get home.I will be curious to hear how it goes for you. I think you'll be surprised at how significant(for the end user) diopter adjustment is on 1x scopes.
While adjusting diopter on higher mag scopes we are generally looking at reticle focus. What we don't notice is the magnification component that diopters have. On high mag scopes we may not have the diopter set just right to our eye and a side effect is that our parallax numbers won't line up on our parallax adjustment which is not a huge deal. It doesn't really affect the optical performance in the grand scheme.
On a 1x scope it's a much bigger deal not having the diopter just right and it's because of the magnification component of the diopter. If we don't adjust the diopter with the scope set to 1x to a true visual 1x using one of the processes I mentioned in this thread. We(the end user) can end up with a 1x scope that may be presenting an image that is well below 1x or well above 1x depending which direction the diopter is improperly adjusted to your eye.
If you want to visually see the magnification component of the diopter adjustment there is a quick experiment most peoples eyes can do if they have a 1x scope(any mfg's 1x scope)-
With the mag ring set to 1x turn the diopter all the way in. Viewing through the scope you will see that the magnification is now well below 1x. Then back it out a good bit and you'll see the image is now magnified above 1x. Now, somewhere in between these two points lies the 1x (no magnification) diopter setting we are looking for.
I hope I explained that last sentence well enough. An easier way to say might be- if we know we can get below 1x with diopter adjustment and we know we can get above 1x. It's pretty safe to assume that true 1x is in there somewhere between those two points.
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I can say this: if the Shorty AMG 1-10x ever makes it to a civilian market, I will be running one or two.
Even at $4k a pop? And when the March 1-10 DFP is over $1k cheaper?
Great marketingAs I mentioned earlier in the thread, I have some familiarity with this scope, but can't discuss any details (for obvious reasons).
I can say this: if the Shorty AMG 1-10x ever makes it to a civilian market, I will be running one or two.
ILya
Great marketing
If you can comment; do you believe the barrier to the optic making it to the civilian world is contractual or that the price would be more than Vortex thinks the market would bear?Since I am not at all confident it will be released to civilians, it is more of a tease than anything else.
ILya
The big question I have is if you would choose this over the S&B Dual CC?Since I am not at all confident it will be released to civilians, it is more of a tease than anything else.
ILya
Dual CC is hot garbage IMO. But unless you have looked through the new AMG… who knows. It’s definitely interesting.The big question I have is if you would choose this over the S&B Dual CC?
Maybe we will see the optic announced at Shot 2024 and EO is helping Vortex "stir the pot" a little.Dual CC is hot garbage IMO. But unless you have looked through the new AMG… who knows. It’s definitely interesting.
Looks like these 1-10 AMGs are available as a package with a DD rifle at Euro. Still over paying even if you actually wanted the rifle… but it’s a little closer to reality than the first price we saw on euro.
I couldn't disagree more. Love my Dual CC and haven't seen anything optically that compares yet in FFP (or DFP)Dual CC is hot garbage IMO.
I am waffling between the Dual CC, K18i-2 and now this optic. I respect your opinion on the matter and you seem to be the only one that has used this is real life. I have watched a lot of your videos and appreciate the objective point of view.Dual CC is hot garbage IMO. But unless you have looked through the new AMG… who knows. It’s definitely interesting.
Looks like these 1-10 AMGs are available as a package with a DD rifle at Euro. Still over paying even if you actually wanted the rifle… but it’s a little closer to reality than the first price we saw on euro.
Same. Not sure how anyone would call it hot garbage.I couldn't disagree more. Love my Dual CC and haven't seen anything optically that compares yet in FFP (or FFP)
That depends on the application. Optically, S&B is likely a better scope. AMG is still very good, slightly lighter and three inches shorter.The big question I have is if you would choose this over the S&B Dual CC?
Would you take this over the Dual CC? Thought I was responding to you but was responding to someone else's post.As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I have some familiarity with this scope, but can't discuss any details (for obvious reasons).
I can say this: if the Shorty AMG 1-10x ever makes it to a civilian market, I will be running one or two.
ILya
As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I have some familiarity with this scope, but can't discuss any details (for obvious reasons).
I can say this: if the Shorty AMG 1-10x ever makes it to a civilian market, I will be running one or two.
ILya