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Vudoo Gun Works V-22 Rimfire Bolt Action
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Any recommendations for tuners? I have a 22" MTU barreled action getting here next month and need to figure out how to finish it.
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IMHO, putting a tuner on a Vudoo is akin to putting a bumper sticker on an exotic sports car. Keep in mind, I don't shoot bench rest competitions...so, that might be why I look at it that way.
I wouldn't go that far but some like them and use them even in PRS/NRL style shooting. And with ammo supply like it is it's kind of nice to be able to tune a not so hot lot of ammo in to make it usable.
Tuner won't make it shoot worse and how do you know if it will shoot tighter without testing it?
There is a reason the top custom Rimx and V22 builders put tuners on their barrels.
I understand that. I run tuners myself on centerfire rigs. Im just saying it may not be needed with your Vudoo. I was going to make mine a tuner aswell but with the testing Ive done, its not going to need it at this stage. Im saying for PRS/NRL22 stuff, a tuner aint gonna make more hits happen for me, I'm the weak link well n truly.
You don't have the ability to tune a load with rimfire (unless you are reloading and shooting solids) and with how hard it is to get specific ammo, much less a lot that shoots great in your gun, a Tuner should help. At distance where they are subsonic it may be even more important to use a tuner to get the optimal harmonics leaving the barrel.
I don't shoot 1/4" targets in PRS/NRL but they are at almost every PRS22/NRL22.
I don't shoot 1/4" targets in PRS/NRL but they are at almost every PRS22/NRL22.
OK, the VUDOO Rifle Bag arrived today. It is clearly intended to be a premium rifle bag system -- and justifiably so. Materials are first class, stitching looks excellent, and it has plenty of padding. I've put money into hard cases, such as Pelican Storm Case and others, for my guns that I needed to ship or travel in airline cargo, but I've never spent close to $400 for a soft bag before, since I really only use soft bags for trips to local gun ranges and matches and don't have to worry about rough handling. So for me, this bag set is a "luxury"... but I don't have any regrets.
Now to the details, with photos.
1. The small bags, panels and accessories came inside the main bag. There's a reason that this was shipped full-length and not folded... the side panels have 1-inch thick moderately dense foam, providing as much protection as you would hope for in a soft bag. The inside of the main bag is 42.5" straight across... an easy fit for my V22 Ravage Ridgeback with 20" barrel. Plenty of vertical space for my Vortex Golden Eagle scope.
2. The front black flap is the only place you'll find a VUDOO logo embroidered.
3. Underneath the front flap are two zippered pouches, each of which hold three Vudoo mags comfortably (each with 2 side-by-side, plus one laid down so that the zippers easily close). I carry six loaded magazines to most matches, so that's ideal for me.
4. The rear side of the bag has a flat-ish pouch and several D-rings for choosing where to attach your shoulder strap. The outside bottom panel of the bag has a rubberized coating, which could be helpful if you put the bag straight down on a damp surface. The wrap-around center handle has a similar surface.
5. Inside the bag were four smaller bags of various types, and two separator panels (one gray, one black) with Velcro for organizing the accessories and bags to suit the owner. The two small, flat bags almost look like they'd be for pistols. The small but taller bag is well-suited for ammo; standard size bricks such as SK or ELEY fit easily, and even the elongated brick boxes of Lapua Center-X or Midas+.
6. The largest of the interior bags has a removeable magazine pouch panel, and each pouch will hold only one 10-round Vudoo mag, giving a total of four... they're not deep enough to double up the mags like the built in pouches under the main bag's front flap.
7. This shows the bag's inner label. A google search doesn't come up with any results for "ARMMGUARD" though the label says established in 2018.
I don't know if I'll get any more functional use out of this than my MidwayUSA-branded padded "PRO" bags that are about 1/4 the price, but I'm still very pleased to have it and I expect that I'll find more uses for all the other bags, pouches and panels as time goes on... Besides, none of my other soft bags have that very special red "V" logo!
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My AI LE .308 is 44" long total, with a large Schmidt & Bender PMII scope on it. The AI will fit in there if I angle it just slightly.
.22lr AICS Loading Tool
Posted a quick review of a new product coming from Marginet Metalworks in Canada; an aluminum version of the 22lr AICS Loading Tool. Only tested on Vudoo Polymer mags, but should work well with B14r or RimX mags. Makes loading these mags much easier.
Check out www.mmwgear.com if interested.
Also have have some footage from our own NRL22/ORPS matches we run up north for people interested on my channel.
Posted a quick review of a new product coming from Marginet Metalworks in Canada; an aluminum version of the 22lr AICS Loading Tool. Only tested on Vudoo Polymer mags, but should work well with B14r or RimX mags. Makes loading these mags much easier.
Check out www.mmwgear.com if interested.
Also have have some footage from our own NRL22/ORPS matches we run up north for people interested on my channel.
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I am interested in trying these out. Don’t have any trouble loading my mags but I like anything that makes my job easier. When will it be available?
Contact [email protected] for info on availability. I think he's making the production parts now, but people were asking for ways to attach a lanyard to it, so he might change the design.
There’s a member on here who 3d prints them. They’re relatively inexpensive and we’ll made. Check the buy sell trade section
SO, I was alllll gung-ho about a year ago (I know, I'm a poet!) on getting a V22 custom built... put my order in and waited, and waited... then - life happened and I had to punt on getting my Vudoo built "to the future". Glad I waited! The 360 came out! 
Anyway, back when I was interested in building one out -- folks were talking about "to suppress or NOT to suppress".
So, where do folks land on this now? I ask because I'm interested (again) and would have to choose on cutting the barrel for threads (or not)....
Does cutting the barrel with threads "open up groups"? I've seen some testing on YouTube of folks testing suppressed groups -vs- UNsuppressed groups... but I want to see a comparison of uncut barrel -vs- threaded barrel.
Any insight?
Anyway, back when I was interested in building one out -- folks were talking about "to suppress or NOT to suppress".
So, where do folks land on this now? I ask because I'm interested (again) and would have to choose on cutting the barrel for threads (or not)....
Does cutting the barrel with threads "open up groups"? I've seen some testing on YouTube of folks testing suppressed groups -vs- UNsuppressed groups... but I want to see a comparison of uncut barrel -vs- threaded barrel.
Any insight?
To suppress or not is up to the end user. I don't suppress as I don't have a need to do it. My rifle is threaded and has a thread protector and shoots great and has for years. Nothing "opened up". Might happen on the internet but haven't seen it happen in real life in mine or other people's rifles I know that are threaded.
Interesting, I’m going to have to comb back through the thread — I just remembered that Mike threw his own thoughts out on this too…
Thanks for posting up your experience tho!
Thanks for posting up your experience tho!
MB did put out a video on the VGW instagram page about threaded vs non-threaded, and said threaded barrels can have issues. If you comb back through this thread until some time late spring / early summer of last year you should be able to find the link...if/when you do, please repost the link...I want to bookmark it. I changed my Three 60 order from threaded to non-threaded after that video, and have been very pleased with my purchase. I don't have a suppressor, and if/when I get one I wouldn't be putting it on the Vudoo anyway...on a Kidd for squirrel hunting...yes, I want one.
I can't say with absolute certainty that threading the barrels on my 22RF rifles hurt accuracy or not, but the difference between groups shot with either of the two suppressors I own and without a suppressor mounted shows a definite improvement w/o a can mounted. It doesn't matter to me whether it's because of the weight of the can is acting as a modifier to the harmonics of the barrel, or that it's the effect the suppressor has on the way the gases effect the stability of the bullet, in the same way that my Pro-X tuner does, or both - I've proven to myself several times over than they shoot better without a suppressor. Bums me out because I enjoy shooting a 22RF with std vel ammo suppressed, but that's the way it is.
I've seen a lot of stuff posted on the interwebs with people claiming they get better accuracy "with" a suppressor...I find that hard to believe, but I don't have any hands on experience, so it's not my call to make.
I started a post a while back on why not to thread a barrel. I was personally attacked and called every name in the book, mainly by people who know absolutely nothing about remfire accuracy! Simply put, threading releaves metal and opens the bore at the muzzle. this is not what you want if your trying for all the accuracy you can get from a barrel. This is a fact that is known by all custom remfire Smiths, barrel makers and remfire benchrest shooters. MB himself has stated that he is not a fan of threading. This is not to say that threaded barrels are not accurate. It's the degree of accuracy. If you need to shoot suppresed by all means thread. If your interested in nothing but accuracy, Don't thread.SO, I was alllll gung-ho about a year ago (I know, I'm a poet!) on getting a V22 custom built... put my order in and waited, and waited... then - life happened and I had to punt on getting my Vudoo built "to the future". Glad I waited! The 360 came out!
Anyway, back when I was interested in building one out -- folks were talking about "to suppress or NOT to suppress".
So, where do folks land on this now? I ask because I'm interested (again) and would have to choose on cutting the barrel for threads (or not)....
Does cutting the barrel with threads "open up groups"? I've seen some testing on YouTube of folks testing suppressed groups -vs- UNsuppressed groups... but I want to see a comparison of uncut barrel -vs- threaded barrel.
Any insight?
Sometimes groups tighten up with a suppressor. Most times they open up a tad. I stopped shooting with a can mostly because of the amount of shit and debris the seems to fall down into the action. Especially when using the rifle racks at competitions. The smaller groups are a bonus I'll take too.
*.22 only.
*.22 only.
I appreciate the quick replies gents, much obliged.
What @littlesister said is in the ballpark of what I recall reading — just need to find it again!
Now, for my next “weird” question…
Is it possible to swap a barrel out on one of these bad mamma-jammas??? If so - how easy/hard is it to do?!?
I’d love to just get two barrels, one cut for my suppressor - the other uncut!
What @littlesister said is in the ballpark of what I recall reading — just need to find it again!
Now, for my next “weird” question…
Is it possible to swap a barrel out on one of these bad mamma-jammas??? If so - how easy/hard is it to do?!?
I’d love to just get two barrels, one cut for my suppressor - the other uncut!
How do you like the pro-x tuner? I was considering one but didn't have a local smith to bore it out for me.
There are probably people here that can respond that question, but it might be better to just call VGW and ask them.I appreciate the quick replies gents, much obliged.
What @littlesister said is in the ballpark of what I recall reading — just need to find it again!
Now, for my next “weird” question…
Is it possible to swap a barrel out on one of these bad mamma-jammas??? If so - how easy/hard is it to do?!?
I’d love to just get two barrels, one cut for my suppressor - the other uncut!
littlepod, I only tried the Pro-X on the V-22 repeater after seeing how much one tightened up the already good groups I was getting with a Shilen ratchet rifled bbl that I'd chambered with a Nevius reamer for my V-22S. I'd finished the Krieger sendero contour blank on the repeater at 22" and had threaded it 1/2-28 for a TBAC 22TD. After I stopped shooting with that can, I decided to try another Pro-X on the repeater's Krieger. I parted-off the threaded portion, cut a fresh 11* crown, bored the tuner to fit, and ran the numbers on the Purdy Prescription. Didn't take a lot of tuning to get a very good lot of SK Rifle Match that I've been shooting in this rifle to tighten up a bunch. I've found that groups shrank considerably at 50, 100, & 200yds, but haven't shot it at 300. The shiny aluminum looks out of place on a 21" bbl that's wearing graphite black CeraKote, and I'd really appreciate it if they made this model with a black anodized finish with the 'clicks' engraved after the anodizing. It's hard to see the rather faint engraving out in bright sunlight, but then my eyes aren't what they used to be...
I have a custom Benchmark 3 Groove .9" at the muzzle. But I also don't shoot any benchrest and don't need the additional accuracy for PRS/NRL but it is always fun to be multi-faceted and be able to play with my Vudoo in some benchrest settings. Maybe I should go pick up a Pro-X and find someone to do the .9" boring on it.
My barrel is also factory stainless so it should match pretty well.
Be careful - it's another step 'down the accuracy rabbit-hole'...lol I've always been very pleased with the accuracy I was seeing out of the Krieger on my original V-22 repeater, but after testing and getting the tune set with the Pro-X, I really doubt I'll ever take it off. One other benefit I didn't mention is that my repeater sounds noticeably quieter with the Pro-X attached, especially while shooting down a concrete feedlot alley with concrete bunks on both sides that reflect a lot of muzzle report back at me. It's in no way comparable to a good suppressor, but it is quite noticeable. It also adds 2.5" of length, using a 3/4" bushing.
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I found it, here's the link to what MB put on instagram about threaded barrel vs target crown:
It’s true. If you thread the barrel it will shoot like garbage. This is all I could do at 50 yards with 5 shots. Trash!!! And that’s a barrel with thousands of rounds on it. Will probably keep opening up. Lol
What about out at distance tho? I’m not all that interested in shooting much at 50y. Im looking for 100y all the way out to 1,000y (for funsies).
Have you tested this rifle at distances of 100y and on to see how it groups?
Thanks!
Just received my 2nd 360 today, 20" barrel on the original, 22" on this one.
Both threaded.
10 at 50 yards ...
"Have you tested this rifle at distances of 100y and on to see how it groups?"
3 100 yard 10 shot groups with 3 different lots of SK and CenterX...
Both threaded.
10 at 50 yards ...
"Have you tested this rifle at distances of 100y and on to see how it groups?"
3 100 yard 10 shot groups with 3 different lots of SK and CenterX...
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I've shot a bunch beyond 100.
200 yards it can shoot close to MOA with light winds.
I can readily hit 2-3 MOA plates out to 300, but It's really a lot of luck at that distance and beyond.
Its's fun to randomly get hits, but 22s just get blown around (up, down and sideways) too much to waste much effort.
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Does awesome at distance. I shoot it in matches shooting out to 400+. I have shot it on paper at 100 where it’s about 1/2 moa and at 200 it was about 1.75” and at 300 it was about 3.5”. Last match I shot had to take three shots at 400 as the last target and those shots where about 3-4” using target size as a reference.
It was a joke as the LOL was on the end. But unless you are shooting at the top limits of BR I doubt you will see any dicernible difference in accuracy and for people shooting any practical matches like PRS/NRL it's even more a waste of time to worry about threaded vs non threaded.
Oops poor reading comprehension on my part- sorry, missed the LOL. Agreed.
Practically the thread protector could get loose and it is more effort to clean. So I do like that aspect of not having to think of those things with my unthreaded Vudoo.
Nothing more to clean. Still just hit the crown with a cloth like any non threaded. Thread protector doesn’t have to come off. Doesn’t loosen either. Well mine hasn’t in over 4 years of shooting matches and plinking. If that worries put some blue loctite on it.
Bottom line is don’t need threads then don’t get them. I don’t need mine but they were coming with them when I got mine so I got them. If I got another I would probably not get it as I don’t have a suppressor and don’t have a need. Not because of accuracy issues or cleaning or worrying about loosening. Get what you have the need for. Hell maybe I would get them so I could pop my tuner on. Hmmm. Lol
Bottom line is don’t need threads then don’t get them. I don’t need mine but they were coming with them when I got mine so I got them. If I got another I would probably not get it as I don’t have a suppressor and don’t have a need. Not because of accuracy issues or cleaning or worrying about loosening. Get what you have the need for. Hell maybe I would get them so I could pop my tuner on. Hmmm. Lol
That’s why I had my Vudoo come with threads. I have an Ezell tuner that I ordered as threaded and I actually move it between different match rifles. Different rifles, different ammo they each like, and different optimized settings on JUST ONE tuner to make each rifle/ammo combo even better. I could have just but a separate tuner for each rifle, but I like it this way!
I still wanna know how to swap a barrel on a Vudoo… is it a PITA? I can’t find any vids or info on this.
I’d love to just have a few different barrels for fun…
I’d love to just have a few different barrels for fun…
I've done it a couple of times. All I did was remove the barreled action from the stock and place the barrel in my barrel vise. Insert the action wrench and screw the action off the barrel. Insert new barrel in the vise with the witness mark up (so it's easy to see) and screw action on until it indexes the two witness marks (one on the barrel and one on the action). From what I understand (and I may be wrong) you cannot order pre-fit barrels for Vudoo's. You will need to have each barrel fitted to your action.
I have a new 360 headed my way-- should be here Friday. It is coming with two barrels and a new 3-lug action wrench so I can change them back and forth. Hope this helps!
Shane
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