i am currently in the process of going to sniper school.. at home i have wanted to buy a rifle that can be used for practicing, hunting ec.. but not wanting to spend a crap load of money on one.. any suggestions at one for a decent price.. and scope to maybe?
wanting to buy a sniper rifle
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Re: wanting to buy a sniper rifle
Let's start off right as this is your second post and I don't see it going well for you.
First, it's awesome that you're on your way to Sniper School. I wish you the best of luck.
But a friendly piece of advice would be to slow down, sit back and do a lot of reading. There is a ton of information here with a few people who know what they are doing. They've probably answered your question before. We are here to help you learn and are eager to see you have fun however I would caution to come in like a stalk and observe, not storming the beach at Normandy.
On the right hand side below the Shout Box is a search engine for SH. It's not too bad. But I would recommend reading first, come up with questions, research to see if you can find the answers.
Good Luck and welcome to the Hide.
Let's start off right as this is your second post and I don't see it going well for you.
First, it's awesome that you're on your way to Sniper School. I wish you the best of luck.
But a friendly piece of advice would be to slow down, sit back and do a lot of reading. There is a ton of information here with a few people who know what they are doing. They've probably answered your question before. We are here to help you learn and are eager to see you have fun however I would caution to come in like a stalk and observe, not storming the beach at Normandy.
On the right hand side below the Shout Box is a search engine for SH. It's not too bad. But I would recommend reading first, come up with questions, research to see if you can find the answers.
Good Luck and welcome to the Hide.
Re: wanting to buy a sniper rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Longshot38</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When you say decent price does that translate to in your mind? </div></div>
This would be helpful. A $1000 budget and a $6000 budget can both be considered a decent price for different setups.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Longshot38</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When you say decent price does that translate to in your mind? </div></div>
This would be helpful. A $1000 budget and a $6000 budget can both be considered a decent price for different setups.
Re: wanting to buy a sniper rifle
Just buy a standard hunting rifle based on where you hunt and what you hunt.
Indiana???? That would be white tail and maybe varments.
Go to the store, look around find what suits you and your budget.
Remington, Winchester, Savage, etc etc
Somewhere a long the lines of a 243 with a 4X fixed scope. Spend the rest of your money on ammo and learn to shoot it. Get some 1 1/4 sling swivils and a leather 1907 style sling and learn to shoot it from the sling position.
Forget about long range until you get your shooting fundamentals down at 100 or so. When you get use to it, then maybe take up some F Class.
Money doesn't make a sniper rifle, shooters (and mission) does.
Got to learn to walk before you learn to run.
Just buy a standard hunting rifle based on where you hunt and what you hunt.
Indiana???? That would be white tail and maybe varments.
Go to the store, look around find what suits you and your budget.
Remington, Winchester, Savage, etc etc
Somewhere a long the lines of a 243 with a 4X fixed scope. Spend the rest of your money on ammo and learn to shoot it. Get some 1 1/4 sling swivils and a leather 1907 style sling and learn to shoot it from the sling position.
Forget about long range until you get your shooting fundamentals down at 100 or so. When you get use to it, then maybe take up some F Class.
Money doesn't make a sniper rifle, shooters (and mission) does.
Got to learn to walk before you learn to run.
Re: wanting to buy a sniper rifle
Remington 5r milspec 308 with the fixed 10x swfa ss on top.
Should make for a great practice rig, and the 308 has plenty of factory ammo to choose from, along with great factory match ammo.
Remington 5r milspec 308 with the fixed 10x swfa ss on top.
Should make for a great practice rig, and the 308 has plenty of factory ammo to choose from, along with great factory match ammo.
Re: wanting to buy a sniper rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Indiana???? That would be white tail and maybe varments.
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Varmints only here in IN. Manly sized cartridges scare people here.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Indiana???? That would be white tail and maybe varments.
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Varmints only here in IN. Manly sized cartridges scare people here.
Re: wanting to buy a sniper rifle
try a remmington 700 sps (Rifle)in 308 caliber and a leupold 4x12 or a 6x18 (Scope). that is a good combo, low price setup that more accutare than 90% of people can shoot. learn to shoot very well before spending thousands of $ on a setup. just my 2 cents
try a remmington 700 sps (Rifle)in 308 caliber and a leupold 4x12 or a 6x18 (Scope). that is a good combo, low price setup that more accutare than 90% of people can shoot. learn to shoot very well before spending thousands of $ on a setup. just my 2 cents
Re: wanting to buy a sniper rifle
Sniper school? I guess no one told you we don't have Snipe here. Oh, and any shotgun will do.
What type of shooting are you going to do? Remember a HB Winchester M70 was a "sniper rifle" as was a hb rem 700.
Sniper school? I guess no one told you we don't have Snipe here. Oh, and any shotgun will do.
What type of shooting are you going to do? Remember a HB Winchester M70 was a "sniper rifle" as was a hb rem 700.
Re: wanting to buy a sniper rifle
My choice for you would be a Sako TRG 22 with a Nightforce scope. It will be money very well spent.
Good luck.
SScott
My choice for you would be a Sako TRG 22 with a Nightforce scope. It will be money very well spent.
Good luck.
SScott
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There are a lot of great rifles out there to fit a range of budgets, as stated above you will do well to use the search feature, my bit of advice is to get a rifle with a heavy barrel. During a long day of high volume shooting, like at a school, a heavy barrel will be less prone to overheat. As for glass, I have been very happy with the SWFA super sniper fixed 10x power. It is plenty of magnification to shoot 1k yds and wont fry your pupil, plus it suits the KISS principle.
Best of luck to you.
There are a lot of great rifles out there to fit a range of budgets, as stated above you will do well to use the search feature, my bit of advice is to get a rifle with a heavy barrel. During a long day of high volume shooting, like at a school, a heavy barrel will be less prone to overheat. As for glass, I have been very happy with the SWFA super sniper fixed 10x power. It is plenty of magnification to shoot 1k yds and wont fry your pupil, plus it suits the KISS principle.
Best of luck to you.
Re: wanting to buy a sniper rifle
check out the used gear for sale here. Great place to get quality gear for good prices.
The SWFA sample list is also good for optics.
Your request is a little vague, but a rem 700 (sps or pss or vss or similar) in .308 and a good 10x scope is a good start.
buy used and you can upgrade or change your rig without losing money.
Best
check out the used gear for sale here. Great place to get quality gear for good prices.
The SWFA sample list is also good for optics.
Your request is a little vague, but a rem 700 (sps or pss or vss or similar) in .308 and a good 10x scope is a good start.
buy used and you can upgrade or change your rig without losing money.
Best
Re: wanting to buy a sniper rifle
Remington Police / Sako Varmint with Bender/Leupold scope? Tasco SS is fine one, if budget is lower.
My personal choice is usually just simple custom rifle. Nothing fancy: Just good, tough, reliable action with high-end free floating barrel (like Hart, Shilen, Border etc.) and trigger.
For example, just Mosin-Nagant action is very old, but many extremely accurate rifles are built in this design - like Valmet M86, which is very accurate sniper rifle, Sako TRG is almost a toy compared with this one.
Well. Stock is very simple, i like Remington police - style. Good scope is "must" & Sako Optilock´s.
Famous sniper´s - like Simo Häyhä - does not needed any ultra-high-end stuff. Häyhä just shooted very well with cheap, but hand-selected rifle. IMHO this is good point to remember, because if you own most accurate rifle in the world, but you cant estimate the wind when distance is long, rifle´s accuracy is meaningless. Extremly good and accurate rifle does not make anyone great shooter. But good shooter can turn average rifle into ultimate tool in his/her hands.
Anyway, old truth about 300;- USD rifle & 3000;- scope is good point. This kind of combination is almost always much more accurate than 3 grands rifle & 300;- scope...
Remington Police / Sako Varmint with Bender/Leupold scope? Tasco SS is fine one, if budget is lower.
My personal choice is usually just simple custom rifle. Nothing fancy: Just good, tough, reliable action with high-end free floating barrel (like Hart, Shilen, Border etc.) and trigger.
For example, just Mosin-Nagant action is very old, but many extremely accurate rifles are built in this design - like Valmet M86, which is very accurate sniper rifle, Sako TRG is almost a toy compared with this one.
Well. Stock is very simple, i like Remington police - style. Good scope is "must" & Sako Optilock´s.
Famous sniper´s - like Simo Häyhä - does not needed any ultra-high-end stuff. Häyhä just shooted very well with cheap, but hand-selected rifle. IMHO this is good point to remember, because if you own most accurate rifle in the world, but you cant estimate the wind when distance is long, rifle´s accuracy is meaningless. Extremly good and accurate rifle does not make anyone great shooter. But good shooter can turn average rifle into ultimate tool in his/her hands.
Anyway, old truth about 300;- USD rifle & 3000;- scope is good point. This kind of combination is almost always much more accurate than 3 grands rifle & 300;- scope...
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Re: wanting to buy a sniper rifle
What is a Sniper rifle? I mean what makes it different than say a Rack grade Rem, Savage, ect w/a USO SN-3, or a Bushnell w/a mil-dot?
Is it the paint, stock, chambering, barrel length, scope, bedding, threaded for a can,...what?
Of the following, K-98's, 91/30's, 03A3's, M1C's XM21's, M40's to present day, what item/s make/s it a Sniper rifle?
What is a Sniper rifle? I mean what makes it different than say a Rack grade Rem, Savage, ect w/a USO SN-3, or a Bushnell w/a mil-dot?
Is it the paint, stock, chambering, barrel length, scope, bedding, threaded for a can,...what?
Of the following, K-98's, 91/30's, 03A3's, M1C's XM21's, M40's to present day, what item/s make/s it a Sniper rifle?
Re: wanting to buy a sniper rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cplARMY19d</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i am currently in the process of going to sniper school..</div></div>
can you expand on this please?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cplARMY19d</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i am currently in the process of going to sniper school..</div></div>
can you expand on this please?
Re: wanting to buy a sniper rifle
I dont want to be a smart ass..
More info would be very beneficial in seeking out answers to your questions.
Define sniper rifle, a serious marksman would define it in a different way than a mall ninja.. \
Sniper school?? Are you ad mil, leo etc? If so what branch and what school?
A budget.. this is touchy to everyone.. 500 to me is alot.. where 500 to others is lik e paying for a value meal at wendy's..
Is this a tool to use to practice with as you are unable to practice enough with your organizations issued rifle? If practical sign it out and hit the range.. use the money for ammo to train with etc..
OR is this a toy.. Most here no offense intended,, are toys, mine included as I am no longer a designated marksman.. just the Bn Master Gunner..
I bring this up as a toy can be whatever you want / wish to have. A dedicated trainer should be as close to spec as your issued rifle as possible.. IE. M24 US Army 308, you may wish to build a rem 700 in LA in 308 with an hs stock, palm swell and adj butt if the 13.5 lop doesnt suit you..
Optics.. again either what you wish you had or similar to issued..
Doesnt do much good to use a sfp tmr when you are issued a ffp 3/4 mildot.. same goes for adjustments..
Lstly search as others have mentioned.. there are builds here from savage/stevens 200's all the way to the wildest no expense spared customs... all only a click or 2 away..
Another point.. if leo or ad mil, you must have been noticed by omeone for either luck or talent.. as schools are not usually given away..
Good luck, pay attention, take notes, pay attention, take notes.. pay attention... and have fun
I dont want to be a smart ass..
More info would be very beneficial in seeking out answers to your questions.
Define sniper rifle, a serious marksman would define it in a different way than a mall ninja.. \
Sniper school?? Are you ad mil, leo etc? If so what branch and what school?
A budget.. this is touchy to everyone.. 500 to me is alot.. where 500 to others is lik e paying for a value meal at wendy's..
Is this a tool to use to practice with as you are unable to practice enough with your organizations issued rifle? If practical sign it out and hit the range.. use the money for ammo to train with etc..
OR is this a toy.. Most here no offense intended,, are toys, mine included as I am no longer a designated marksman.. just the Bn Master Gunner..
I bring this up as a toy can be whatever you want / wish to have. A dedicated trainer should be as close to spec as your issued rifle as possible.. IE. M24 US Army 308, you may wish to build a rem 700 in LA in 308 with an hs stock, palm swell and adj butt if the 13.5 lop doesnt suit you..
Optics.. again either what you wish you had or similar to issued..
Doesnt do much good to use a sfp tmr when you are issued a ffp 3/4 mildot.. same goes for adjustments..
Lstly search as others have mentioned.. there are builds here from savage/stevens 200's all the way to the wildest no expense spared customs... all only a click or 2 away..
Another point.. if leo or ad mil, you must have been noticed by omeone for either luck or talent.. as schools are not usually given away..
Good luck, pay attention, take notes, pay attention, take notes.. pay attention... and have fun
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Don't they issue you a rifle in "sniper school"?
Or by "sniper school" do you mean a precision shooting course?
Don't they issue you a rifle in "sniper school"?
Or by "sniper school" do you mean a precision shooting course?
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Hmm. Philosophic one
Must think...
My opinion? To me, sniper-rifle is a rifle, which has at least bolt action, and it´s accuracy is littlebit better than plain hunter rifle. Usually hunter rifles are quite light ones and demand for accuracy for several shots are not so tight. Sniper rifle is also tool: This will set some serious demands about reliability: Do you choose Bender or Tasco?
For these reason IMHO potential sniper rifle is any rifle, which has reasonable weight to carry long distances, with clip or several. Hunters will not step out the car & shoot. Also 5-10 shots should be quite accurate & fast ones, because enemy can shoot back, deer can´t. Caliber & scope are not so necessery, because there´s so many needs. But if you have cheap scope for hunting, you can step into your car and drive into city for replacement, but in snipers this will not work. You stay and your gear MUST be reliable as possible.
So, in this case, enemy will strongly determine, which way sniper/shooter must act.
Hmm. Philosophic one
My opinion? To me, sniper-rifle is a rifle, which has at least bolt action, and it´s accuracy is littlebit better than plain hunter rifle. Usually hunter rifles are quite light ones and demand for accuracy for several shots are not so tight. Sniper rifle is also tool: This will set some serious demands about reliability: Do you choose Bender or Tasco?
For these reason IMHO potential sniper rifle is any rifle, which has reasonable weight to carry long distances, with clip or several. Hunters will not step out the car & shoot. Also 5-10 shots should be quite accurate & fast ones, because enemy can shoot back, deer can´t. Caliber & scope are not so necessery, because there´s so many needs. But if you have cheap scope for hunting, you can step into your car and drive into city for replacement, but in snipers this will not work. You stay and your gear MUST be reliable as possible.
So, in this case, enemy will strongly determine, which way sniper/shooter must act.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jimmy76</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To me, sniper-rifle is a rifle, which has at least bolt action, and it´s accuracy is littlebit better than plain hunter rifle. </div></div>
So the XM21's we had long ago was never a Sniper rifle, but the 91/30's we were hunting were? The XM's were semi an would out shoot the Russian bolt, ROF an accuracy was tilted towards the XM's as well? I'm confused, then again I'm out of my med's..
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jimmy76</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To me, sniper-rifle is a rifle, which has at least bolt action, and it´s accuracy is littlebit better than plain hunter rifle. </div></div>
So the XM21's we had long ago was never a Sniper rifle, but the 91/30's we were hunting were? The XM's were semi an would out shoot the Russian bolt, ROF an accuracy was tilted towards the XM's as well? I'm confused, then again I'm out of my med's..
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Good luck my friend. As you are getting ready for school searching for a precision rifle should be the furthest from your mind. Remember you must make the school first. While you are going through the course I'm sure you are going to be introduced to my of the same type of rifle you are looking for. You will have a good time with hands on and you will also have instructors that can also steer you in the right direction. The course you are about to attend, shooting is only about 25% of what you will need. I would personally follow some of the guidance you have been given so far and do your research (read). I wish you the very best. Upon completion of your schooling you will be better equipped to begin your search.
Good luck my friend. As you are getting ready for school searching for a precision rifle should be the furthest from your mind. Remember you must make the school first. While you are going through the course I'm sure you are going to be introduced to my of the same type of rifle you are looking for. You will have a good time with hands on and you will also have instructors that can also steer you in the right direction. The course you are about to attend, shooting is only about 25% of what you will need. I would personally follow some of the guidance you have been given so far and do your research (read). I wish you the very best. Upon completion of your schooling you will be better equipped to begin your search.
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I would wait to see if you pass 1st if you do get a Remington 700 action and build a proper Precision rifle or go on youtube and you can look at the masses of "sniper rifles" and buy your liking, you will soon learn that the word "sniper" and "rifle" especial them used close together will soon turn your stomach and will let you know some ones "training"
rember you get what you pay for i have learned this in my short time on this earth
Ill be the 1st to say im an idiot an inexperienced newbie, i was in your position in military getting to go to "sniper school" navspecwar command but garenteed you don't count your eggs before the basket
take your time slow is smooth and smooth is fast, relax you got more to worie about than getting your "sniper rifle"
but out of box Remington 700 sps ass-sd .308, 1:10 twist, means heaver projectiles down range many many options for upgrades buy
then get a tac knob have it wielded on then 1600-2500 for glass harris bi-pod new stock and do some load development and their you go you just scratched the surface
good luck you will have a long way to go to get what your looking for but if you stay with remington 700 you will have a good base to start
but as i said im a beginner and have a long way to go i hope you get where your headed and good luck tou you one man to another
Respectfully
I would wait to see if you pass 1st if you do get a Remington 700 action and build a proper Precision rifle or go on youtube and you can look at the masses of "sniper rifles" and buy your liking, you will soon learn that the word "sniper" and "rifle" especial them used close together will soon turn your stomach and will let you know some ones "training"
rember you get what you pay for i have learned this in my short time on this earth
Ill be the 1st to say im an idiot an inexperienced newbie, i was in your position in military getting to go to "sniper school" navspecwar command but garenteed you don't count your eggs before the basket
take your time slow is smooth and smooth is fast, relax you got more to worie about than getting your "sniper rifle"
but out of box Remington 700 sps ass-sd .308, 1:10 twist, means heaver projectiles down range many many options for upgrades buy
then get a tac knob have it wielded on then 1600-2500 for glass harris bi-pod new stock and do some load development and their you go you just scratched the surface
good luck you will have a long way to go to get what your looking for but if you stay with remington 700 you will have a good base to start
but as i said im a beginner and have a long way to go i hope you get where your headed and good luck tou you one man to another
Respectfully
Re: wanting to buy a sniper rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cplARMY19d</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i am currently in the process of going to sniper school.. at home i have wanted to buy a rifle that can be used for practicing, hunting ec.. but not wanting to spend a crap load of money on one.. any suggestions at one for a decent price.. and scope to maybe? </div></div>
It may be wise to wait until after school. You will know what you trained on and you can keep the set up similar. Plus you will have a better idea of where you may want to go with your project if you want something a little different.
As for hunting with it, Phylodog is right, you will be limited to certain handgun cartridges in a rifle or using something like the newer savage 20ga bolt... for deer. Grab a hunting rule/guide book at the store and see what you can use before you buy. I don’t know all of Indiana’s restrictions but like Michigan, they have a bunch of them…
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cplARMY19d</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i am currently in the process of going to sniper school.. at home i have wanted to buy a rifle that can be used for practicing, hunting ec.. but not wanting to spend a crap load of money on one.. any suggestions at one for a decent price.. and scope to maybe? </div></div>
It may be wise to wait until after school. You will know what you trained on and you can keep the set up similar. Plus you will have a better idea of where you may want to go with your project if you want something a little different.
As for hunting with it, Phylodog is right, you will be limited to certain handgun cartridges in a rifle or using something like the newer savage 20ga bolt... for deer. Grab a hunting rule/guide book at the store and see what you can use before you buy. I don’t know all of Indiana’s restrictions but like Michigan, they have a bunch of them…
Re: wanting to buy a sniper rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cplARMY19d</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i am currently in the process of going to sniper school.. at home i have wanted to buy a rifle that can be used for practicing, hunting ec.. but not wanting to spend a crap load of money on one.. any suggestions at one for a decent price.. and scope to maybe? </div></div>
Just don't get into a personal weapon that throws you off at work. In My Scout platoon we use 110's don't get all heavy into somthing like a bolt that ends up hurting you at work. but on the flip side when you go to the school house you will shoot the 24 so some bolt time might be good for you. The army will teach you everything you need better to go in a blank slate than with bad habbits.
Scouts Out!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cplARMY19d</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i am currently in the process of going to sniper school.. at home i have wanted to buy a rifle that can be used for practicing, hunting ec.. but not wanting to spend a crap load of money on one.. any suggestions at one for a decent price.. and scope to maybe? </div></div>
Just don't get into a personal weapon that throws you off at work. In My Scout platoon we use 110's don't get all heavy into somthing like a bolt that ends up hurting you at work. but on the flip side when you go to the school house you will shoot the 24 so some bolt time might be good for you. The army will teach you everything you need better to go in a blank slate than with bad habbits.
Scouts Out!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cowboy1978</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> "sniper" and "rifle" especial them used close together will soon turn your stomach and will let you know some ones "training"
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Tactfully yet awsome I laughed
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cowboy1978</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> "sniper" and "rifle" especial them used close together will soon turn your stomach and will let you know some ones "training"
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Tactfully yet awsome I laughed
Re: wanting to buy a sniper rifle
Savage currently has package that will work well for what you want to do - which is to learn the basics.
Its a 22LR with what looks like McMillan A5 stock (I'm not sure who makes that particular stock for them) and a small scope 9x42 (I think - which is perfect IMHO) for about $400 or $450.
This little package can do everything you need. Learn good marksmanship, learn windage/elevation from 50 to about 250 yards.
As you get to 100 yards, you will by then know the basics, now comes the fun part 100 and beyond with a 22LR demands you to learn ballistics, read wind, keep the follow-through ready, overall make you an expert in little time or you will not make it the 250 yard line.
And if that doesn't work for you, you still have a fun gun for plink'in and target shooting and didn't break the bank.
if you can't swim with the big fish, stay out of the water.
Savage currently has package that will work well for what you want to do - which is to learn the basics.
Its a 22LR with what looks like McMillan A5 stock (I'm not sure who makes that particular stock for them) and a small scope 9x42 (I think - which is perfect IMHO) for about $400 or $450.
This little package can do everything you need. Learn good marksmanship, learn windage/elevation from 50 to about 250 yards.
As you get to 100 yards, you will by then know the basics, now comes the fun part 100 and beyond with a 22LR demands you to learn ballistics, read wind, keep the follow-through ready, overall make you an expert in little time or you will not make it the 250 yard line.
And if that doesn't work for you, you still have a fun gun for plink'in and target shooting and didn't break the bank.
if you can't swim with the big fish, stay out of the water.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Radar86</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Savage currently has package that will work well for what you want to do - Its a 22LR with what looks like McMillan A5 stock (I'm not sure who makes that particular stock for them) and a small scope 9x42 (I think - which is perfect IMHO) for about $400 or $450. </div></div>
Thanks for the info. I had not heard of this rifle until you mentioned it. Here is a link to it. Bet I have one before long.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Radar86</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Savage currently has package that will work well for what you want to do - Its a 22LR with what looks like McMillan A5 stock (I'm not sure who makes that particular stock for them) and a small scope 9x42 (I think - which is perfect IMHO) for about $400 or $450. </div></div>
Thanks for the info. I had not heard of this rifle until you mentioned it. Here is a link to it. Bet I have one before long.
Re: wanting to buy a sniper rifle
A "sniper's rifle" can be a .22 long rifle single shot bolt action shooting hollow points with open sights.
A "sniper" is more about how the shot is taken as a tactical matter by the shooter, not about what weapon is used.
A "sniper's rifle" can be a .22 long rifle single shot bolt action shooting hollow points with open sights.
A "sniper" is more about how the shot is taken as a tactical matter by the shooter, not about what weapon is used.
Re: wanting to buy a sniper rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TallShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just make sure it's black.
It's very, "snipery".... </div></div>
Yup 'cause the M110 isn't snipery.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TallShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just make sure it's black.
It's very, "snipery".... </div></div>
Yup 'cause the M110 isn't snipery.
Re: wanting to buy a sniper rifle
What will help you most in Sniper school is physical conditioning. Forget the range and spend the time running.
What will help you most in Sniper school is physical conditioning. Forget the range and spend the time running.
Re: wanting to buy a sniper rifle
If you read the posts in this forum, you will discover that every choice of rifle has been covered somewhere.
Be specific in your questions and you will get better answers. For example what is your budget?
If you are in sniper school, you must already be an exceptional marksman. Do you have any particular rifle you have been using or that you like?
If you read the posts in this forum, you will discover that every choice of rifle has been covered somewhere.
Be specific in your questions and you will get better answers. For example what is your budget?
If you are in sniper school, you must already be an exceptional marksman. Do you have any particular rifle you have been using or that you like?
Re: wanting to buy a sniper rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cplARMY19d</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i am currently in the process of going to sniper school.. at home i have wanted to buy a rifle that can be used for practicing, hunting ec.. but not wanting to spend a crap load of money on one.. any suggestions at one for a decent price.. and scope to maybe? </div></div>
If Army Sniper School is anything like the Marine Corps, shooting is not what bounces most candidates.
You would do better to study your knowledge AND make sure your patrolling and land nav skills are top notch.
Which School are you going to?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cplARMY19d</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i am currently in the process of going to sniper school.. at home i have wanted to buy a rifle that can be used for practicing, hunting ec.. but not wanting to spend a crap load of money on one.. any suggestions at one for a decent price.. and scope to maybe? </div></div>
If Army Sniper School is anything like the Marine Corps, shooting is not what bounces most candidates.
You would do better to study your knowledge AND make sure your patrolling and land nav skills are top notch.
Which School are you going to?
Re: wanting to buy a sniper rifle
Shooting now will do nothing for you if you go to USASS. I'm guessing from your screen name this is the one you are referring to.
I was a second time go and out of the two times I went I only saw two people fail the shooting quals. Stalks, Target Detection and Range Estimation on the other hand....
I am also a firm believer that I will never be as good of a shot with a bolt gun as you are the day you leave that school. You will shoot almost everyday. It's not much (maybe 20-30 rds per day) but you will be amazed as to how comfortable you are with your rifle. You will know it inside and out, what it does cold bore, calling wind will come naturally. I'm still an avid shooter but I would have to take a month off and shoot almost everyday to get back to where I was when I left that school. I've got an expensive $6k stick and I still can't shoot it as well as I could my issued, shot out, plain jane M24.
Bottom line, worry about the field craft and physical fitness. Someone said shooting is 25% of it. I think it's more like 10%.
Shooting now will do nothing for you if you go to USASS. I'm guessing from your screen name this is the one you are referring to.
I was a second time go and out of the two times I went I only saw two people fail the shooting quals. Stalks, Target Detection and Range Estimation on the other hand....
I am also a firm believer that I will never be as good of a shot with a bolt gun as you are the day you leave that school. You will shoot almost everyday. It's not much (maybe 20-30 rds per day) but you will be amazed as to how comfortable you are with your rifle. You will know it inside and out, what it does cold bore, calling wind will come naturally. I'm still an avid shooter but I would have to take a month off and shoot almost everyday to get back to where I was when I left that school. I've got an expensive $6k stick and I still can't shoot it as well as I could my issued, shot out, plain jane M24.
Bottom line, worry about the field craft and physical fitness. Someone said shooting is 25% of it. I think it's more like 10%.
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I'm not military but a ton of experiance with rifles, hunting, varmint rifles, target rifles. The dollor is loosing value and so firearms and worse yet ammo costs are rising greatly over the last couple years. That being said what is coming from modern rifle manufacturers is getting better all the time in terms of consistant accuracy! You can get more accuracy bang for your buck nowdays than you could 15 years ago both centerfire and rimfire. QC issues are on the increase for production grade guns but on average a lemon is still a rare thing. For garrantied laser-like accuracy and "perfect" fit and finish, a custom build gun is the way to go but expect to pay around 4k on rifle and good optics where as a factory rifle and good scope combo is around $1500 to 2k.
I'm not military but a ton of experiance with rifles, hunting, varmint rifles, target rifles. The dollor is loosing value and so firearms and worse yet ammo costs are rising greatly over the last couple years. That being said what is coming from modern rifle manufacturers is getting better all the time in terms of consistant accuracy! You can get more accuracy bang for your buck nowdays than you could 15 years ago both centerfire and rimfire. QC issues are on the increase for production grade guns but on average a lemon is still a rare thing. For garrantied laser-like accuracy and "perfect" fit and finish, a custom build gun is the way to go but expect to pay around 4k on rifle and good optics where as a factory rifle and good scope combo is around $1500 to 2k.
Re: wanting to buy a sniper rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Radar86</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Savage currently has package that will work well for what you want to do - which is to learn the basics.
Its a 22LR with what looks like McMillan A5 stock (I'm not sure who makes that particular stock for them) and a small scope 9x42 (I think - which is perfect IMHO) for about $400 or $450.
This little package can do everything you need. Learn good marksmanship, learn windage/elevation from 50 to about 250 yards. </div></div>
This one is a Mark II in a Boyds "tacticool" stock with Leupold VX-III 4.5-14x40: Helluva good trainer for $1000 including good optics!
Since taking these pictures, I have added an EGW 20 MOA base, which allows me to zero at 75 yards, and dial out to 325 yards.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Radar86</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Savage currently has package that will work well for what you want to do - which is to learn the basics.
Its a 22LR with what looks like McMillan A5 stock (I'm not sure who makes that particular stock for them) and a small scope 9x42 (I think - which is perfect IMHO) for about $400 or $450.
This little package can do everything you need. Learn good marksmanship, learn windage/elevation from 50 to about 250 yards. </div></div>
This one is a Mark II in a Boyds "tacticool" stock with Leupold VX-III 4.5-14x40: Helluva good trainer for $1000 including good optics!
Since taking these pictures, I have added an EGW 20 MOA base, which allows me to zero at 75 yards, and dial out to 325 yards.
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Last time I lived in IN it was a shotgun state for deer. I think you can hunt with 'pistol' cartridges that are a certain caliber/length in rifles now. So, if you are planning to hunt deer, I'd just pick up a tarhunt or other bolt action slug gun. If you are thinking of varmint hunting, I'd probably go with a remington or winchester .223 in a varmint contour and call it a good one.
If all you want is practice. Then the 22LR may be the ticket. Though, I really like pellet rifles/pistols for practice. A 500 count tin through your beeman tempist air pistol almost every night for a summer makes for HUGE improvements and is great fun.
Last time I lived in IN it was a shotgun state for deer. I think you can hunt with 'pistol' cartridges that are a certain caliber/length in rifles now. So, if you are planning to hunt deer, I'd just pick up a tarhunt or other bolt action slug gun. If you are thinking of varmint hunting, I'd probably go with a remington or winchester .223 in a varmint contour and call it a good one.
If all you want is practice. Then the 22LR may be the ticket. Though, I really like pellet rifles/pistols for practice. A 500 count tin through your beeman tempist air pistol almost every night for a summer makes for HUGE improvements and is great fun.
Re: wanting to buy a sniper rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rogue308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Shooting now will do nothing for you if you go to USASS. I'm guessing from your screen name this is the one you are referring to.
I was a second time go and out of the two times I went I only saw two people fail the shooting quals. Stalks, Target Detection and Range Estimation on the other hand....
I am also a firm believer that I will never be as good of a shot with a bolt gun as you are the day you leave that school. You will shoot almost everyday. It's not much (maybe 20-30 rds per day) but you will be amazed as to how comfortable you are with your rifle. You will know it inside and out, what it does cold bore, calling wind will come naturally. I'm still an avid shooter but I would have to take a month off and shoot almost everyday to get back to where I was when I left that school. I've got an expensive $6k stick and I still can't shoot it as well as I could my issued, shot out, plain jane M24.
Bottom line, worry about the field craft and physical fitness. Someone said shooting is 25% of it. I think it's more like 10%. </div></div>
well said
+1
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rogue308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Shooting now will do nothing for you if you go to USASS. I'm guessing from your screen name this is the one you are referring to.
I was a second time go and out of the two times I went I only saw two people fail the shooting quals. Stalks, Target Detection and Range Estimation on the other hand....
I am also a firm believer that I will never be as good of a shot with a bolt gun as you are the day you leave that school. You will shoot almost everyday. It's not much (maybe 20-30 rds per day) but you will be amazed as to how comfortable you are with your rifle. You will know it inside and out, what it does cold bore, calling wind will come naturally. I'm still an avid shooter but I would have to take a month off and shoot almost everyday to get back to where I was when I left that school. I've got an expensive $6k stick and I still can't shoot it as well as I could my issued, shot out, plain jane M24.
Bottom line, worry about the field craft and physical fitness. Someone said shooting is 25% of it. I think it's more like 10%. </div></div>
well said
+1
Re: wanting to buy a sniper rifle
My first choice would be any Remington 700 rifle in 308 with an SWFA scope try 3-9x42 with a mil dot. You go far with that rig. If you wanted to upgrade the Remington 700 can be trued by a gunsmith, replace the barrel for something you like and learned about. There are plenty of stocks already inletted for the 700 action and all you need to do is find the right barrel contour and bed the rifle.
Practice with an inexpensive setup with fairly inexpensive ammo. The first thing you must learn before accuracy is proper technique. Keep your eyes on the target, don't flinch, trigger control, breath control, sight alignment, body alignment, etc. Until you get these down you will not see your groups get tight at 100 yds. With a Rem 700 gun almost all the ammo will shoot at least better than 1.5 MOA at 100 yd if you know what your doing.
Best of luck an happy hunting.
My first choice would be any Remington 700 rifle in 308 with an SWFA scope try 3-9x42 with a mil dot. You go far with that rig. If you wanted to upgrade the Remington 700 can be trued by a gunsmith, replace the barrel for something you like and learned about. There are plenty of stocks already inletted for the 700 action and all you need to do is find the right barrel contour and bed the rifle.
Practice with an inexpensive setup with fairly inexpensive ammo. The first thing you must learn before accuracy is proper technique. Keep your eyes on the target, don't flinch, trigger control, breath control, sight alignment, body alignment, etc. Until you get these down you will not see your groups get tight at 100 yds. With a Rem 700 gun almost all the ammo will shoot at least better than 1.5 MOA at 100 yd if you know what your doing.
Best of luck an happy hunting.
Re: wanting to buy a sniper rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Radar86</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Savage currently has package that will work well for what you want to do - which is to learn the basics.
Its a 22LR with what looks like McMillan A5 stock (I'm not sure who makes that particular stock for them) and a small scope 9x42 (I think - which is perfect IMHO) for about $400 or $450.
This little package can do everything you need. Learn good marksmanship, learn windage/elevation from 50 to about 250 yards. </div></div>
This one is a Mark II in a Boyds "tacticool" stock with Leupold VX-III 4.5-14x40: Helluva good trainer for $1000 including good optics!
Since taking these pictures, I have added an EGW 20 MOA base, which allows me to zero at 75 yards, and dial out to 325 yards. </div></div>
I got a dumb question, what's the white bands on the scope for? is it tape?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Radar86</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Savage currently has package that will work well for what you want to do - which is to learn the basics.
Its a 22LR with what looks like McMillan A5 stock (I'm not sure who makes that particular stock for them) and a small scope 9x42 (I think - which is perfect IMHO) for about $400 or $450.
This little package can do everything you need. Learn good marksmanship, learn windage/elevation from 50 to about 250 yards. </div></div>
This one is a Mark II in a Boyds "tacticool" stock with Leupold VX-III 4.5-14x40: Helluva good trainer for $1000 including good optics!
Since taking these pictures, I have added an EGW 20 MOA base, which allows me to zero at 75 yards, and dial out to 325 yards. </div></div>
I got a dumb question, what's the white bands on the scope for? is it tape?
Re: wanting to buy a sniper rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AWZ1287</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I got a dumb question, what's the white bands on the scope for? is it tape? </div></div>
Elastic bands for vegetation?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AWZ1287</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I got a dumb question, what's the white bands on the scope for? is it tape? </div></div>
Elastic bands for vegetation?
Re: wanting to buy a sniper rifle
its for high speed video, so you can determine the rifle's speed. Havent you guys seen mythbusters?
its for high speed video, so you can determine the rifle's speed. Havent you guys seen mythbusters?
Re: wanting to buy a sniper rifle
Definitely get a scope with <span style="font-weight: bold">Military Dots</span> for ranging and holdovers at varying distances when shooting a multiple targets.
Definitely get a scope with <span style="font-weight: bold">Military Dots</span> for ranging and holdovers at varying distances when shooting a multiple targets.
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Dont you know that the most popular scope for snipers, is the Counter Sniper??? Whatever rifle you get, I highly recommend the Daisy red rider, put a counter sniper on there so you dont get caught in a tough place!!!
Dont you know that the most popular scope for snipers, is the Counter Sniper??? Whatever rifle you get, I highly recommend the Daisy red rider, put a counter sniper on there so you dont get caught in a tough place!!!
Re: wanting to buy a sniper rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cplARMY19d</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i am currently in the process of going to sniper school.. at home i have wanted to buy a rifle that can be used for practicing, hunting ec.. but not wanting to spend a crap load of money on one.. any suggestions at one for a decent price.. and scope to maybe? </div></div>
Go to school, return, get your hands on your weapons at the unit in training, find out if you want a bolt gun or a self loader like the M110, and go from there.
For affordable, if you can stand the LENGTHY wait, the RRA Predator HP is a 20" AR10 (STYLE) rifle that is pretty affordable and guaranteed under 1MOA. A Leupold to match your SASS would be ideal- maybe you can get into promotive.com's tactical instructor or other program through networking and get a better price.
If you like a bolt gun, something along those lines would be like a Savage 110FCP HS Precision .300 win mag (rumored to be comming to the Savage line soon) 5/8x24 threaded std for a brake or sound suppressor and scoped with something similar to the issue. I never used the newer .300 Win mag rifle so I'm trying to suggest something affordable that will also be .300 win mag and suppressor ready, as the Remington rifle is probably not affordable.
Civilians can't help but be PC, so you've probably gathered by now they want to read "precision rifle".
Well it's fairly natural for builders to have hammers at home, race car drivers to drive sportscars for fun, for infantryman to buy M4's, and for snipers to buy scoped rifles.
If you go and successfully complete school, that's a big deal in my book. You have to eat a mountain of shit, run faster, ruck harder, shoot straighter and soldier better for years to be noticed and given the nodd to attend in a lot of cases, and the guys that are good will pass and hope to be fielded by an officer who has brains and wherewithal to use them to make a difference. No one can take that away.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cplARMY19d</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i am currently in the process of going to sniper school.. at home i have wanted to buy a rifle that can be used for practicing, hunting ec.. but not wanting to spend a crap load of money on one.. any suggestions at one for a decent price.. and scope to maybe? </div></div>
Go to school, return, get your hands on your weapons at the unit in training, find out if you want a bolt gun or a self loader like the M110, and go from there.
For affordable, if you can stand the LENGTHY wait, the RRA Predator HP is a 20" AR10 (STYLE) rifle that is pretty affordable and guaranteed under 1MOA. A Leupold to match your SASS would be ideal- maybe you can get into promotive.com's tactical instructor or other program through networking and get a better price.
If you like a bolt gun, something along those lines would be like a Savage 110FCP HS Precision .300 win mag (rumored to be comming to the Savage line soon) 5/8x24 threaded std for a brake or sound suppressor and scoped with something similar to the issue. I never used the newer .300 Win mag rifle so I'm trying to suggest something affordable that will also be .300 win mag and suppressor ready, as the Remington rifle is probably not affordable.
Civilians can't help but be PC, so you've probably gathered by now they want to read "precision rifle".
Well it's fairly natural for builders to have hammers at home, race car drivers to drive sportscars for fun, for infantryman to buy M4's, and for snipers to buy scoped rifles.
If you go and successfully complete school, that's a big deal in my book. You have to eat a mountain of shit, run faster, ruck harder, shoot straighter and soldier better for years to be noticed and given the nodd to attend in a lot of cases, and the guys that are good will pass and hope to be fielded by an officer who has brains and wherewithal to use them to make a difference. No one can take that away.
