WARNING ~ TR ~ My experience

#352
Re: WARNING ~ TR ~ My experience

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rideHPD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is anyone else irritated that their COMpany website is tacticalrifles.NET? Their name alone should be your first clue that they fail to act professionally on any scale, starting with the simplest of internet nomenclature and marketing. The grammar failz only make perfect sense when then can't even get tacticalrifles.COM right. (and tr.com is available, it's a registered domain, but up for sale, and since they pay so much for advertising you'd think they'd pay for a correct domain, right?) </div></div>

I hate to bust your bubble man, but a lot of companies use .net instead of .com... www.gaprecision.net lol
 
#354
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rideHPD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is anyone else irritated that their COMpany website is tacticalrifles.NET? Their name alone should be your first clue that they fail to act professionally on any scale, starting with the simplest of internet nomenclature and marketing. The grammar failz only make perfect sense when then can't even get tacticalrifles.COM right. (and tr.com is available, it's a registered domain, but up for sale, and since they pay so much for advertising you'd think they'd pay for a correct domain, right?) </div></div>


I hate to bust your bubble man, but a lot of companies use .net instead of .com... www.gaprecision.net lol </div></div>

Well, now the boot's in the other ass. Point well made, and taken.
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#355
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I re-worked the bedding job on a TR 300WM once before. It looked like the OP's stock prior to Spartan Rifles working his magic. Paint on the bedding and all.

There were other issues but, mostly cosmetic.

Mark did a stellar job with the repair/re-work and I thought he was very professional in the way he worded his statements. With the internet world of today one has to be very cautious with his actions/words/practices. Sometimes a little damage control goes a long way.

It's a shame that a little TLC to the OP could have prevented this outcome.
 
#356
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lazy21</div><div class="ubbcode-body">tactical rifles intern



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I think he's going to fit right in
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I usually don't get pulled into these types of topics, but I couldn't help myself.

Now that's hilarious!
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Not to mention the fact that in the OPs instance it looked like the smith at TacticalRifles decided to have a 5th of Scotch while using a Dremel to bed the action!
 
#357
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Frank,

Next time you think about banning Shankster, please refer to his posts here and give him another shot. I'm still laughing at what transpired in this thread. My wife was reading this and after Shanksters post all she said was "for fuck sakes, that guy has no credibility now". She never curses!!lol
 
#359
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Not just 900.00 it was $ 1450.00 with parts, I was only asking to be payed for the machine work that should have been done in the first place.
 
#361
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Just a few more videos for the connoiseurs of Tactical Rifles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjQfc0b6nSA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIKOgBaxT88

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULltCRL9fO8

http://www.youtube.com/user/tacticalrifles1

I wanted to look and see if I could find a true cross section of positive comments on youtube. I can find alot for other manufacturers. I went through 15 pages and could only find these handfuls. Who knows?

Additionally, NDN has not responded to my PM for him to provide his credentials and proof.
 
#362
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I have been off the hide for a few days and just found this thread. I don't have a dog in this fight either.

I will now give my experience with Tactical Rifles. I had them build me a 6.5x47L in a stiller tac30 with a bartlein(I was told) dropped into a 1.5 aics chassis.

This was before I was on the hide and honestly didn't know any better. David seemed to know his stuff and was a very convincing salesman.

Almost 2 years after receiving the deposit and 2400 for a nightforce f1 I was calling them to find out what the hold up was on a simple barreled action ceracoted with a 5/8x24 muzzle threaded with thread protector.

I didn't talk to David directly for the last several months of this build.

I did hear about mil/leo contracts that came up and I would have to wait until those were done.

I finally convinced the sales lady/secretary to forget the NF and apply the money to finishing the build to get the rifle in my hands.

After 2-3 months of this they contacted me to say my rifle was being shipped.

It should also be added that I was quoted a 6-8 month build.

I have shot the rifle and it seems to shoot well.

Obviously they will not be getting any repeat business from me.

Also Black ops/Underground Skunk works built my 260 and they are in a different Universe than Tactical Rifles.
 
#363
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Despite the fact they mention the Constitution, and being able to express your opinion (while at the same time acting like none of you can shoot past 100) you can rest assured the silence by the company is a sure sign this will be a 1st Amendment Argument as I can tell you, based on the site's past experience with them, they will argue if you can't say something nice you are NOT allowed to say something at all. </div></div>

Did you really think I was so stupid that I wouldn't recognize a run-on sentence?

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- love that video clip !
 
#364
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Well at the beginning of this I thought I would see the video and move on to the next thread.

Turned out to be better than I expected and I made it the whole way.

Couple things I noticed and appreciated:
1) The way the owner of this site handled it and once the truth about the surrogate poster was revealed he focused on a resolution.

2) Don't try to BS your way through SH.com cause these guys will tear you to ribbons.

3) Respect yourself and others with the same respect we all give to firearms safety and things will be much easier going.

Thanks guys,
 
#366
Re: WARNING ~ tacticalrifles.net ~ My experience

I believe I remember someone from this company saying what sets them apart is the fit and finish and attention to detail that goes into every rifle they make. Yeah, they sure set themselves apart with work like that.
 
#369
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#371
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrgfox</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I believe I remember someone from this company saying what sets them apart is the fit and finish and attention to detail that goes into every rifle they make. Yeah, they sure set themselves apart with work like that. </div></div>

I linked a video a page or two back to an episode of Ultimate Weapons: Sniper Rifles on the TR M40 and the owner specifically touted the things you mentioned along with some others that don't seem consistent with what we've seen.
 
#372
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I enjoyed reading the entire thread! I hope this is on the first page when googling TR </div></div>

front page, about half way down - just past the video links section.

no dog in the fight, but damned happy i read through the thread. i now know where to never shop. Thank you SH GoogleFU kings!
 
#373
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DustyJacket</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Despite the fact they mention the Constitution, and being able to express your opinion (while at the same time acting like none of you can shoot past 100) you can rest assured the silence by the company is a sure sign this will be a 1st Amendment Argument as I can tell you, based on the site's past experience with them, they will argue if you can't say something nice you are NOT allowed to say something at all. </div></div>

Did you really think I was so stupid that I wouldn't recognize a run-on sentence?

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- love that video clip ! </div></div>

Just got my ab workout, laughing that hard, lol.

Branden
 
#374
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gofaster23</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How many gunsmiths do you know that will lend a customer a $5k rifle system to use just based on trust?</div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Terry Cross</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I didnt build rifles, Marc is on the short list (very short list) of shops I would have build my rifle.</div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Animal</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you want more background on Marc @ Spartan take a look at one of the places where he donates his time for charity. Last note about Marc. I know that Marc has built rifles for free in the past, on numerous occasions, to military veterans, approached manufacturers with success to build a Medal of Honor winner a rifle as a debt of gratitude and asked for nothing in return...not even recognition</div></div>

Marc,

It seems about time to get Spartan Rifles site up and running.

GM
 
#375
Re: WARNING ~ tacticalrifles.net ~ My experience

So , beware of tacticlerifles ,somebody got screwed buying one , one good smith fixed it , Lots of people are offended . And one guy likes his 3 , hates Remington and served in some place near ' Seria ' ( is that near ' Eye-rack ' ? ) and thinks cub scouts need gun safety lessons from whoever built the rifle that some think may be dangerous to shoot ? Or did I miss something important to the discussion ?
And I'm just looking for good advice on which rifle to put my money on so I can put all my focus on the real problem with my shooting and hopefully fix the flaws in that. That would be me and that is surely the the equipment I have the best chance of improving. No one needs to make it even harder with inferior equipment and I hope others' experiences like this keep me from that frustrating mistake. I'll go back to searching the ' this one's the best ' posts and I appreciate the opportunity to get to see so many expert opinions. Best of luck resolving this.
 
#376
Re: WARNING ~ tacticalrifles.net ~ My experience

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DaveD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't think anyone on here is a Redneck.

I've yet to see any of you guys at the monthly Redneck meetings
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oh i'm sure there are plenty of rednecks here. i can't be the only one with 6 non-running yard cars. </div></div>

I consider myself a Redneck.
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#377
Re: WARNING ~ tacticalrifles.net ~ My experience

I still don't understand what he has against rednecks, aint nothing else I would rather be.

Nraman, it sucks that you got screwed, but at least you got it fixed. I have never dealt with TacticalRifles.net, and never will.
 
#378
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in the navy and own 3 of these rifles. ok i can believe that because lord knows i spent more money on weapons than anything else while i was in. what i don't believe is your attitude. you seem to be pretty but hurt that someone has a complaint about the rifles. almost as if you have something to lose.

how long ago were your rifles made?

what models?

did you ever think that since they had an LEO/Mil contract come up that maybe they had to hire some temp workers or god forbid outsource their work (your in the military so I'm sure you know how many things get outsourced when small companies get big contracts).

its very common for small companies to slack on their work a bit (not always on purpose. most of the time its due to temp employees). they focus on the contract and tend to forget about the quality control of their civ market.

the fact you are active duty and have the attitude you have is a disgrace. your not even worth talking to in my opinion and i haven't even met you and thankfully you were never one of my docs during one of my 4 combat deployments because i would hate to have my life in your hands with the attitude you have. hopefully your assigned to blue side and if god forbid you are green side then please be in a POG unit.
 
#379
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ndnboy71</div><div class="ubbcode-body">that yet again is a wrong assumtion from a bunch of rednecks. that isnt a picture of me. have a nice day </div></div>

Hey...where did he ^ go??
 
#380
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rednecks?

yes, this website has some Rednecks. some of which are also:
Computer Guys
Professional Shooters
Doctors
Lawyers
Professional Soldiers
Marines
SEALs
Professional Smiths

and a host of other professionals

We even have some dunbasses attacking others for opinions


Look man just accept you stepped on your dick and move on. We all do it. Shit I have done it more than I want to admit. The place also forgives mistakes when you accept them and move on. Kinda like a Church of Tactical Truth.

Snipers Hide The Church of Tactical Truths </div></div>

i like how this guy put Marines separate from Soldiers. but then again he called them professional LMAO. i guess you got to give and take a little lmao. this has ten good fun. also informative in some regards. ill definitely do my research before buying a pre built tac rifle
 
#381
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ndnboy71</div><div class="ubbcode-body">in my experience, when you start bad mothing a particular company. any company it is for one of two things either you got a bad product and you didnt like the service chock it of to a one time thing, how ever if they made such a bad product and so many shooters, several of whom are military professional shooters, or competitors or military operators on the special forces are shooting these rifles. nope you have one guy that is questionable on an annonomous forum and now all the guys are jumping on tacticle rifles. but i dare any one of you guys to call them with one report of am improperly proforming rifle that can be proven it is the fault of the gunsmith at tacticle rifles and not the fault of the guy improperly mantaining it. as i said before i have three of them and non of them look or perform the way that you say they do. to those who think i am an employee, sent me a pm and ill prove to you via military documentation that on active duty navy and as per naval instuction i cannot have a job outside of the navy. </div></div>

you just make yourself look dumber and dumber by the second. you know how many guys i know that were or are active duty and had side jobs. as long as it does not interfere with your assignment then no one cares (unless your doing something that is considered unbecoming). i had a side jobs many times while i was in and everyone knew it and once again no one cares if you have a side job while in.
 
#382
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DANG! Wish I'd had this thread as a reference about seven years ago when I ordered my TacticalRifles build. Hate having given money to a company that has revealed itself to be nefarious in how it represents itself and treats its customers.

I was new (still am) to precision shooting, what did I know.

I remember picking it up from the local FFL dealer, he commented that the stock had some chipping around the receiver that had bedding filled in...not that worrisome in itself but unusual for a high dollar custom build. Flag for concern.

Indicative of attention to detail. Small things overlooked usually leads to discovery of large things overlooked.

I don't get a chance to shoot it that often, but it's been accurate (but mostly off of benches and I don't run my rifles that hard). I'm not confident it would last if I ever enrolled in a tactical shooting class, much less if I ever took it to the field hunting for that matter.

I'm seriously concerned what a closer inspection will reveal.

I'd consider selling this rifle, but I really don't want to sell a lemon to someone.

GRRRRRRR. Hate feeling like I've been taken.

 
#385
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike0341</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rednecks?

yes, this website has some Rednecks. some of which are also:
Computer Guys
Professional Shooters
Doctors
Lawyers
Professional Soldiers
Marines
SEALs
Professional Smiths

and a host of other professionals

We even have some dunbasses attacking others for opinions


Look man just accept you stepped on your dick and move on. We all do it. Shit I have done it more than I want to admit. The place also forgives mistakes when you accept them and move on. Kinda like a Church of Tactical Truth.

Snipers Hide The Church of Tactical Truths </div></div>

i like how this guy put Marines separate from Soldiers. but then again he called them professional LMAO. i guess you got to give and take a little lmao. this has ten good fun. also informative in some regards. ill definitely do my research before buying a pre built tac rifle </div></div>


Brother all Marines are Professionals. All US Soldiers are Professionals but some countries have non professional soldiers ( Conscripts).

No Slag intended. If you took it that way please accept my appology
 
#386
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I did some looking around on the Florida secretary of State's website. The owner of tacticalrifles.net has been the named officer of several business which are no longer operating. Everything from Home Health to Building Contracting.
 
#389
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jayjaytuner,

Where's the pipe-threader "tacticle rifles" used to precision thread the barrel tennon?
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My dad has my pipe vise and threader at the moment, or I would have included a photo.

Before anyone corrects my spelling, that's how ndnboy71 spelled "tactical".

Kevin
 
#390
Re: WARNING ~ TR ~ My experience

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cesiumsponge</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rob posted comments all over Tactical Rifle's wall. All anyone had to do is click on Rob's name and go straight to his personal Facebook page, which is set up as publicly viewable to the entire world, along with his entire photo gallery which he set as public access.

There was very little legwork to be done. Everything brought up was public information. The photo gallery is full of self-portraits of your time in the sandbox. Everyone's been respectful enough to leave those photos alone. </div></div>


<span style="font-weight: bold">BTW, NDNBOY71's Facebook page says he lives in Oklahoma City. That's 7 minutes from Quantico's armorers? Dude the pic is yours</span>

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You would be from Oklahoma City...

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#392
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: InTheHills</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

It seems about time to get Spartan Rifles site up and running.

GM </div></div>


I'm working on it and it will be up soon. Actually I'm not doing anything with it as I don't know anything about tech issues, but I have a couple friends/customers working on it. Honestly don't expect to blown away by an impressive website. I'm a small, limited production shop and I rarely take photos of the work I do so there probably won't be a whole lot there.

For now just go to my facebook page. You can see a lot of stuff there and you can pm me with any questions about work you're interested in.

Marc
 
#393
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ndnboy71</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you really are a typical redneck arent you. go back to bed with your sister </div></div>

Whoops. Was too busy reading to notice LL's latest post.
 
#394
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Only folks who don't fuck up, are those who don't do anything. Which includes most everyone in this thread.
Love the finger pointing Cheeto eaters, who may or may not own a safe queen,...yet.
This place has really changed,....
 
#395
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike0341</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ndnboy71</div><div class="ubbcode-body">in my experience, when you start bad mothing a particular company. any company it is for one of two things either you got a bad product and you didnt like the service chock it of to a one time thing, how ever if they made such a bad product and so many shooters, several of whom are military professional shooters, or competitors or military operators on the special forces are shooting these rifles. nope you have one guy that is questionable on an annonomous forum and now all the guys are jumping on tacticle rifles. but i dare any one of you guys to call them with one report of am improperly proforming rifle that can be proven it is the fault of the gunsmith at tacticle rifles and not the fault of the guy improperly mantaining it. as i said before i have three of them and non of them look or perform the way that you say they do. to those who think i am an employee, sent me a pm and ill prove to you via military documentation that on active duty navy and as per naval instuction i cannot have a job outside of the navy. </div></div>

you just make yourself look dumber and dumber by the second. you know how many guys i know that were or are active duty and had side jobs. as long as it does not interfere with your assignment then no one cares (unless your doing something that is considered unbecoming). i had a side jobs many times while i was in and everyone knew it and once again no one cares if you have a side job while in. </div></div>

When I was stationed in Japan I seen all sorts of Marines and corpsman have jobs.
I seen MGYSGT , Lt. (1st and 2nd), and a Capt. have a second job at the USO. I heard a couple of the corpsman say they had a second job too. So I don't buy it.
 
#396
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tpb10505</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cesiumsponge</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rob posted comments all over Tactical Rifle's wall. All anyone had to do is click on Rob's name and go straight to his personal Facebook page, which is set up as publicly viewable to the entire world, along with his entire photo gallery which he set as public access.

There was very little legwork to be done. Everything brought up was public information. The photo gallery is full of self-portraits of your time in the sandbox. Everyone's been respectful enough to leave those photos alone. </div></div>


<span style="font-weight: bold">BTW, NDNBOY71's Facebook page says he lives in Oklahoma City. That's 7 minutes from Quantico's armorers? Dude the pic is yours</span>

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You would be from Oklahoma City...

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he most likely a reservists. not all weekend warriors are bad. this tool however is not the sharpest in the shed
 
#397
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike0341</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rednecks?

yes, this website has some Rednecks. some of which are also:
Computer Guys
Professional Shooters
Doctors
Lawyers
Professional Soldiers
Marines
SEALs
Professional Smiths

and a host of other professionals

We even have some dunbasses attacking others for opinions


Look man just accept you stepped on your dick and move on. We all do it. Shit I have done it more than I want to admit. The place also forgives mistakes when you accept them and move on. Kinda like a Church of Tactical Truth.

Snipers Hide The Church of Tactical Truths </div></div>

i like how this guy put Marines separate from Soldiers. but then again he called them professional LMAO. i guess you got to give and take a little lmao. this has ten good fun. also informative in some regards. ill definitely do my research before buying a pre built tac rifle </div></div>


Brother all Marines are Professionals. All US Soldiers are Professionals but some countries have non professional soldiers ( Conscripts).

No Slag intended. If you took it that way please accept my appology </div></div>

i was just joking man. didn't hurt my feelings lol. hope all is well
 
#398
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Only folks who don't fuck up, are those who don't do anything. Which includes most everyone in this thread.
Love the finger pointing Cheeto eaters, who may or may not own a safe queen,...yet.
This place has really changed,....</div></div>

You missed the whole point, fucking up is fine, accepting responsibility for it, is the issue and the point. Telling the guy to go pound sand is the problem and that if it don't shoot is because you can't mentality. Any company can put out a lemon how you handle the customer and the sale after the fact is what separates good from bad... clearly once the rifle left the shop, regardless of the condition, the owner was on his own as the company washed their hands of the product and its problems.

Reading comprehension ...
 
#399
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Only folks who don't fuck up, are those who don't do anything. Which includes most everyone in this thread.
Love the finger pointing Cheeto eaters, who may or may not own a safe queen,...yet.
This place has really changed,.... </div></div>


I do quite a bit. I am working 7 days a week, raising a family (3 kids), working around the house, helping my wife get through college ( she gets her BA in April) and still find range time 3-4 times a week. I am also thinking of getting a part time job.

BTW I hate cheetos, I like hummus chips.
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Frank is right its not that they fucked up, everyone does once in a while we are only humans its how they handled it.
 
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