Washington state monthly matches at Upper Nisqually Sportsman's Club

January 4, 2013 practical rifle match at UNSC



Shooters,

We are going to try something new for the January 4, 2014 match. With our recent purchase of more targets, we now have enough steel to try some new ideas.

We are going to have four classes of rifles, there will be three different sizes of targets for the various classes, but all targets will be at the same distances regardless of class. Bolt and semi-auto will be separated within the classes. We wanted to do something to make it reasonable for those with a Garand, 1903, or other iron sighted rifles, or high capacity general issue rifles a way to join us and shoot.

Open class: any power optic
Designated Marksman class: Optic up to 10X
Iron sight, or basic military rifle: No more than a 4X optic

To give an idea of the target sizes for the various groups, the targets at 300 yards would be:
Open: 8" round (50.28 Sq/in) Flourescent pink
DMR: 10" round (78.57 Sq/in) Flourescent green
Iron/basic: 12" square (144 Sq/in) Flourescent orange

One of the target racks will likely hold both the Open and DMR plates, with the third plate very close by.

One course of fire will allow a few more rounds for DMR and Iron/basic, but the time limit will remain the same for all groups.

We will only be giving a very general description of the course of fire. The match will not have any "advanced" positions, so simply practicing the basic four positions will be good enough.

Target racks for the January match will at 6 different distances from 100 to 540 yards, with three targets at each distance. The group you shoot in determines which target you shoot at that distance.

STAGE 1: Prone-no bags or pillows. Bi-pods OK. 120 seconds
Between 15-24 rounds depending on your rifle's classification

STAGE 2: Under the table, then on top of, and then into the doghouse.
18 rounds, 180 seconds

STAGE 3: Kneeling and seated unsupported inside the 44" box. 12 rounds/120 seconds. Most distant target for this stage will be about 300 yards.

STAGE 4: Standing, kneeling, seated, prone. 15 rounds, 180 seconds
Pillows and bi-pods OK from prone.

All stages will award the most points for a first round hit. We will again be using only the 550 yard range, so the match will be limited to 20 shooters.

Feel free to send general questions about the match format in general. Please keep in mind that we won't be giving out more detail about the courses off fire until the match.

See you in January.
Anton and Kevin
 
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So what your saying is if a guy had an old USO SN4 and ran it on 4 power, he could shoot at larger targets? Just kidding, please sign me up for Open Class.
 
If you limit your optic's power, you could shoot in the lower classification. The rationalle was that many military optics like the ACOG, Elcan, and similar systems run around 4X, even many of the 1X optics with a mulitplier still remain at or under 4X. We just want people to play fair.
 
January 4, 2014 practical rifle match at UNSC signup list (Match will be on the 550 yard range)

1. Reed W.
2. Mike W.
3. Eric B.
4. Russ H.
5. Steve L.
6. Scott S.
7. Ryan B.
8. Jason B.
9. Joe W.
10. Anton G.
11. Kevin D.
12. Ed M.
13. Doug T.
14. Charles M.
15. Annette W.
16. Rod G.
17. Scott P.
18. Marty H. ( I think the last initial is correct)
19. Carl O.
20. Josh L.

Standby:
1. Josh D.
2. Jason A.
 
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Folks, looking forward to my first one of these on 1/4. Are the targets at unknown distance? Will we need to range the targets during the time limit?
 
Folks, looking forward to my first one of these on 1/4. Are the targets at unknown distance? Will we need to range the targets during the time limit?

The target distances are provided for everyone at the beginning of the match so you shouldn't have to worry about ranging anything. Good your coming out and just remember to have fun with it and learn !
 
When the thermometer on my car showed 12 degrees Farenheit on the way to the range, I knew we were in for a chilly day shooting. The neat part is that there was almost no wind. I think the wind topped out at 2mph when it did come up. Even smoke from the chimney's only had a slight bend to it. Tomorrow should be really nice.
 
Here are the results for the January UNSC Practical Rifle Match

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I had a great time yesterday, thanks especially to Kevin and Anton, and all the other ROs. What a great range and skilled, friendly group of shooters!

I still want to place with the M1A, dang it, but I sure need to learn to shoot. Accurate dope, proper scope and non-surplus ammo would help too, probably.

Next time, I'll bring the T3 in the Whiskey 3 and see if it makes a difference.

How big were the targets at 500-550 yds?

How would you go about fixing up a target for dry fire practice that would mimic same size target? Last night when I got home, I tried to use 1/4" dots on the wall, but they were too unfocused.
 
Here's the slideshow from the January match with more brass flying even in the AR photo's (Have to look carefully to find them )
UNSC January 2014 Field precision shooting match - YouTube
Challenging match especially with all the unsupported shooting. Great to meet some new great people out there and again thanks for all the effort of the MD's putting this on.
Seeds here's something you should pick up for dry fire practice at home,http://www.snipershide.com/shooting.../66789-i-o-t-indoor-optical-training-aid.html without a doubt the best money spent !
 
Hey guys,

Yesterday was awesome. I was surprisingly relaxed for my first match. I think it was the atmosphere of being surrounded by like-minded people, and that there's nothing like the smell of gunpowder on a crisp winter morning. Seriously though, it was nice meeting you guys especially after living in Seattle for the last few years. I'm hoping to make this a consistent outing for myself. Thanks again to those who coordinated the match.
 
Thank you to Anton and Kevin for putting on such a great match. The orientation, the setup, the match itself was great fun. Also great to meet all the guys that were out there. The only bummer? Anette beat me. So I had to put up with that today!

Can't remember the guy that brought the hot cocoa and the heater. Outstanding! thanks for the effort it was a really nice gesture.

See you all on the range!
Charles
 
Changes at monthly UNSC Practical Rifle Match

Unknown and I have been talking the last few weeks and have decided to make some changes to the monthly matches at UNSC. Hopefully these changes will allow us to grow and develop into a match that can be used as a springboard for our shooters to be recognized on a regional and national level.

We have been keeping track of the emerging Sniper's Hide Tactical Rifleman's League (TRL) and we feel that this is a direction we would like to take our matches in the future. For those of you unaware of the TRL, it is going to be a regional and national level tracking system used here on the Hide to compare and rank shooters from all over the country that compete in our style of shooting. This gives the shooters a chance to rank and qualify for positions in regional matches and possibly a national level match (i.e. Sniper's Hide Cup) based on scores from smaller matches such as ours.

There will be a few small changes to the matches which we hope will make them more enjoyable and challenging for the competitors. The biggest change will be the way the scores are computed and entered into the tracking system. I will also have to start keeping track of the classifications each shooter and their gear falls into and weather or not each individual shooter wants their scores entered into the system. I will be taking this information down during the morning registration at each match.

There are four different classifications at this point, Open, Limited, MIL-spec and Gas Gun.

The Gas Gun division is for shooters who chose to use a semi-auto rifle (no caliber restrictions at this time). MIL-spec class is for any currently active member of the Military or Law Enforcement who uses a duty rifle or one assigned to them for their work. . The Open and Limited classes are defined by a computation of the shooters ammunition data. This will be based off of what is known as BCVF (Ballistic Coefficient Velocity Factor). To find this number we take the manufactures published G1 BC for the shooters bullets and multiply it by the velocity and get the BCVF. A BCVF of 1500 or greater will put a shooter in the open class and a BCVF of 1499 or less will put a shooter in the Limited class.

We are also going to impose a caliber restriction for our matches. We have seen more larger and faster rifles over the last few months and some of them have started to damage our targets. We will be enforcing this restriction at all of our matches unless otherwise posted for a specific match.

There is a strict speed limit of 3050fps for all calibers, no exceptions. Rounds faster than this can destroy our targets in just a few hits.

We must also restrict the use of all magnum rounds, even those with a slower speed than 3050fps can still damage our targets due to heavier bullets.
 
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Put Mike W down for the open and Russ H is in the limited class .496 x 2700= 1339

Would be good to just have a spot on the sign up for bullet and velocity and just include everyone, Then you don't have to work at separating scores.

I look at the TRL as a great way for someone who never thought about competing seriously to get into a scoring league without any effort and track their progress throughout the year and for some it may even open up an opportunity to go to a regional finale after they've gained confidence at the local matches.
It's really a win for everyone involved.
 
I will start the dissention
Gas gun
.362 x 2810 =1017 (these would be generous figures on the bullets bc and the rifles velocity, not that it matters)
I guess that puts me in the limited class about on par with my ability
 
Put Mike W down for the open and Russ H is in the limited class .496 x 2700= 1339

Would be good to just have a spot on the sign up for bullet and velocity and just include everyone, Then you don't have to work at separating scores.

I look at the TRL as a great way for someone who never thought about competing seriously to get into a scoring league without any effort and track their progress throughout the year and for some it may even open up an opportunity to go to a regional finale after they've gained confidence at the local matches.
It's really a win for everyone involved.

PM'ing Kevin on this. He can use my automated sheet
 
Open please. Or if you'd like to spread bodies out I'll do Mil/LEO. Either way as long as I get to see the same smiling faces lol
 
you guys are using crazy sniper talk and throwing me all off. im at .475 x 2580 (sounds slow?) = 1,225.5 open please. I probably need to double check that velocity.

You would be in the limited class. I'm running 175 SMKs (.505 BC) at 2559fps. That gives me around 1278 which puts me in the limited class too.
 
is there a link to the class breakdown somewere? I am obviously a bit lost :)

There are four different classifications at this point, Open, Limited, Mil-spec and Gas Gun.

The Gas Gun division is for shooters who chose to use a semi-auto rifle (no caliber restrictions at this time). MIL-spec class is for any currently active member of the Military or Law Enforcement who uses a duty rifle or one assigned to them for their work. . The Open and Limited classes are defined by a computation of the shooters ammunition data. This will be based off of what is known as BCVF (Ballistic Coefficient Velocity Factor). To find this number we take the manufactures published G1 BC for the shooters bullets and multiply it by the velocity and get the BCVF. A BCVF of 1500 or greater will put a shooter in the open class and a BCVF of 1499 or less will put a shooter in the Limited class.
 
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FedCop 2580 fps is spot on for the M118LR 175GR round. Not unheard of for a gas 308. Where is the sign up?

Thanks Kevin, yeah my 2580 is for 168, but thats just a guess. I am thinking it maybe faster i need to chrono the load still.

I am ready fo rthe next match as well i have not been out for a while so i need to knock the rust off and get back too it!
 
Thanks Kevin, yeah my 2580 is for 168, but thats just a guess. I am thinking it maybe faster i need to chrono the load still.

I am ready fo rthe next match as well i have not been out for a while so i need to knock the rust off and get back too it!

You could run the 168 SMKs up to 3150fps and still be in the limited class so I wouldn't worry about shooting them over a chrono unless you need drop info.
 
Hey Kevin,

I'll sign up online when the link is available, but in the meantime, please put Carl O on the list. I'm also running 175 SMK's @ 2560. .505 x 2560 = 1293.

Thanks.
 
Washington state monthly matches at Upper Nisqually Sportsman's Club

Active duty in a shooting job... does that include torpedoes and missiles?
My 223 is .435 @ 2925 fps, but I would like to maintain the option to move up in caliber at some point. Can I just shoot open to establish/maintain a consistent ranking? Does it really matter?
 
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Active duty in a shooting job... does that include torpedoes and missiles?
My 223 is .435 @ 2925 fps, but I would like to maintain the option to move up in caliber at some point. Can I just shoot open to establish/maintain a consistent ranking? Does it really matter?

I went back to the original TRL thread and found out that I had stuff mixed up. The MIL/Leo class is from the PRS, not the TRL. The TRL has the Mil-Spec class which is "any currently active member of the Military or Law Enforcement who uses a duty rifle or one assigned to them for their work."

The different classes are just for reporting the scores to the TRL, they will have no effect on our matches.

The goal of submitting our scores to the TRL is so that our shooters can compare themselves against other shooters around the country and possibly qualify for regional and national level matches by accumulating points. The classes are based on the equipment used during an individual match. Does it really matter? Only if you want to qualify for a regional or national match in the TRL (think Sniper's Hide Cup).
 
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I think to be safe Bottom Gun I'd go open also as I think from everything I've read if your planing on going to a regional finale you'd go there off your division points.

Don't know if they've worked out the details yet on class jumping yet. Like if you shoot your .223 in limited for a few matches and then decide to bring something faster that puts you in the open class or say someone shot their Open bolt gun for awhile and then brought their semi auto...

At this point everything's still being worked out on the TRL but its great we're getting involved at the start !
 
So are these TRL divisions replacing the divisions that were introduced last month? If so, does that mean the match will be back to using a single set of targets for all shooters?
 
So are these TRL divisions replacing the divisions that were introduced last month? If so, does that mean the match will be back to using a single set of targets for all shooters?

The TRL will not change anything at our match, we just submit the final scores to it.

The classes that we tried out this month are not staying. We are going back to a single set of targets with everyone shooting the same course of fire with the same targets. This month was a one time trial of something new. Unknown and I talked and agree that there was not enough interest to keep that going. We are going to be trying something new in February that I am very excited about and I think most people will be too.

As soon as Unknown and I finalize somethings we will be sending out an email and posting more information here as well. Stay tuned.
 
I went back to the original TRL thread and found out that I had stuff mixed up. The MIL/Leo class is from the PRS, not the TRL. The TRL has the Mil-Spec class which is "any currently active member of the Military or Law Enforcement who uses a duty rifle or one assigned to them for their work."
Oh Kevin I am embarrassed to post a picture of the Heinz 57 I have at work, I will just stick to the gas gun group
 
Kevin and I will occasionally try out some different things so we don't become too "stagnant". Like I said earlier though, I'm more than willing to change if an idea doesn't work out, or if what sounds like a great new idea comes along, I'm willing to try it. Our attempt at trying different targets for different classes just didn't seem worth the extra effort, so it is gone. Like Kevin said, we will be trying out another new idea at the February match.

We think this new idea (for the February match) may work out really well for getting us heading toward the TRL. We can still do new things from time to time, AND head toward the TRL as our primary direction. Kevin and I often have discussions about what our "customer base" wants, and how we can best serve those needs/desires. We don't want to become stagnant, nor do we want to spend all our time making major changes for every match. Most of our desire to not become stagnant can be solved with creative stage design.

We want to keep things fun, and interesting.
 
I went back to the original TRL thread and found out that I had stuff mixed up. The MIL/Leo class is from the PRS, not the TRL. The TRL has the Mil-Spec class which is "any currently active member of the Military or Law Enforcement who uses a duty rifle or one assigned to them for their work."

I think it's going to be open class for me. My duty/work weapons are missiles and torpedoes, and their ballistic coefficients are good for what they do, but not up to par for precision rifle matches.

Anton and Kevin, keep up the great work and forward progress. The consistent attendance at our matches and involvement of the Puget Sound shooters was noticed and brought up in conversation the other day with a buddy of mine in CT, so whatever you're doing is right and being noticed cross country.

I've been using our matches to self-diagnose my own shortcomings, but I definitely like the idea of being able to apply not only local lessons learned, but local progress to a larger-scale match.
 
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Bottomgun,
The last paragraph in your preceeding email is what makes it so much fun for Kevin and I to continue hosting these matches.

The ability to self diagnose those things we do that inhibit our own performance is a HUGE leap forward in skill level. If I don't know there is a problem, I can't fix it. Then, the matches become a contest against my own tendency to make little mistakes, rather than a contest against other shooters.
 
Rumor has it a couple guys *cough* Eric and Scott *cough* may have a magneto. I was hoping someone could bring it out to the Feb 1 match so i can get an actual velocity. If not no big deal i can manage.
 
I can bring it out, just need a reminder closer to the match so I don't forget.

BTW the COF looks awesome ! This match is going to kick ass for being challenging, can't wait for it.
 
February 2014 UNSC Practical Rifle Match Sign Up

Please use the following link to register for next month’s UNSC Practical Rifle Match.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiAZyCqS7rt4dFl1cVFFU0RlaEx2NVJfSDRndWU2OFE&usp=sharing

When you follow the link, just add your name and information in the next open line on the sign in sheet. Enter your information about the loads you will be using for the match, i.e. bullet BC and velocity as this determines which classification you are in.

DO NOT ERASE OTHER COMPETITORS NAMES OR INFORMATION! IF YOU ARE CAUGHT ERASING SOMEONE ELSES NAME TO PUT YOUR OWN NAME ON THE LIST YOU WILL BE BANNED FROM OUR MATCH.

We are accepting 25 shooters with another 5 shooters on standby.

UNSC club members will have priority over non-members during sign up.

We are imposing a caliber restriction for our matches. We have seen several larger and faster rifles over the last few months and some of them have started to damage our targets. We will be enforcing this restriction at all of our matches unless otherwise posted for a specific match.

There is a strict speed limit of 3150fps for all calibers, no exceptions. Rounds faster than this can destroy our targets in just a few hits.

We must also restrict the use of all magnum rounds, even those with a slower speed than 3150fps can still damage our targets due to heavier bullets. No RUM, MAG or SAUM cartridges.


First time shooters must be at the range no later than 8:30 AM on the day of the match for a one time new shooter orientation. All other shooters must sign in and pay by 9:30 AM.

Cost: $20.

Location:
UPPER NISQUALLY SPORTSMANS CLUB
39919 129th Ave. E.
Eatonville, WA 98328

Equipment requirements:

Center-fire rifle (optics recommended but not required)- strict ammo speed limit of 3050fps and no magnum loads, no exceptions (they destroy our targets). It is recommended to have DOPE on your rifle out to 550 yards but if you don't we may be able to help get you close.

Chamber flag / empty chamber indicator required (we have a few extra if you forget yours).

Safety glasses required.

Ear protection required.

75 rounds of non-ferrous ammunition (no steel core / bi-metal, they destroy our targets).

Bipod recommended but not required.

Shooting sling recommended but not required.

Appropriate clothing for the weather (we will be outside all day).


Course of fire for February 2014

STAGE #1: Cold Bore with a follow up
SENARIO-
Shooters will start in the prone ready to shoot. On the command engage, the shooter will begin the engagement on the 6” plate at 400 yards. First round hit worth 8 points, second round hit worth 4 points. 5 shooters on the line at a time you will get one minute prep time as a group.
Targets-
400 yards
ROUND COUNT-
2
SCORING-
8 Points for 1st round hit
4 points for
TIME-
60 Seconds
8 possible points

STAGE #2: Over the barrel
SENARIO-
Shooters will start in the low ready behind the barrel with 5 rounds loaded. Upon the start signal shooters will use the barrel for support and engage the two targets at 200 yards, the target at 430 yards and the target at 500 yards. The shooter may choose to re-engage a missed target once for ½ points.
Targets-
200 yards (8” round, 6” square) / 430 yards (66%) / 500 yards (66%)
ROUND COUNT-
5
SCORING-
2 points for 1st round hit
1 point for 2nd round hit
TIME-
60 Seconds
8 possible points

STAGE 3: Hostage
SENARIO-
Shooters will start in the prone ready to shoot. On the command engage, the shooter will begin the engagement on the 4x1” T zone flapper or the 5” chest flapper located on the white IPSC target.
Targets-
350 yards
ROUND COUNT-
5
SCORING-
4 Points per Hit on the T Zone flapper
2 points per hit on the Chest flapper
-1 point for hitting the hostage target
TIME-
60 Seconds
20 possible points


STAGE 4: Barricade Blitz
SENARIO-
Shooters will start in the Start box bolt back all gear in hand. On the command engage, the shooter will move to the Barricade and engage the 66% IPSC at 430 with two shots from each position on the barricade.
Targets-
430 yards
ROUND COUNT-
10
SCORING-
2 Points per hit
TIME-
90 Seconds
20 possible points

STAGE #5: Test Your Limits with a twist
SENARIO-
Shooters will start in the prone weapon loaded and oriented at targets. On the command “GO” shooters will engage the KYL rack. Targets must be engaged left to right (largest to smallest). Once the shooter has successfully engaged a target on the KYL rack he must confirm the point by hitting the 12”square at 530. Shooter must successfully engage the 530 target in order to keep his KYL points. IF the shooter misses the 12” square at 530 he must start over at the largest plate and lose his accumulated points. Shooter may elect to stop at any time once KYL points have been confirmed.
ROUND COUNT-
8
TARGETS-
300 yards
12’, 10’, 8’, 6’
530
12” square
SCORING-
2,4,6,8 Points
TIME-
1:30
20 possible points



STAGE #6: Swinging platform
SENARIO-
Shooters will start in standing behind the platform with the rifle staged on it. Upon the start signal shooters will get on the platform load 5 rounds and engage the targets at 200, 430, 500 and 530 yards with one round each.
Targets-
200 yards (8” round, 6” square) / 430 yards (66%) / 500 yards (66%) / 530 yards (50%)
ROUND COUNT-
5
SCORING-
3 points per hit
TIME- 90 Seconds
15 possible points

STAGE #7: Strong side Weak side
SENARIO-
The shooters will start weapon in the prone on the left or right side of the 3 tiered barricade (PARAPET). The shooter will engage both targets from each side of the barricade using strong side and weak side shooting techniques. Then the shooter will move the barricade and shoot one shot at each target from the three positions on the barricades
ROUND COUNT-
10
TARGETS
361 yards from the low wall barricade
12” Square
8” Square
SCORING-
1 point large target
2 Points small target
TIME-
2:00
15 points possible




STAGE #8: Low Parapet
SENARIO-
Shooter will start in the over watch from the low parapet with 3 rounds loaded. Upon the start signal the shooter will engage the 100 yard target with one round and the engage the 500 yard target with up to two rounds.
ROUND COUNT-
3
TARGETS
100 yards (5.5x8) / 500 yards 66%
SCORING-
2 point 100 yard target
4 points 500 yard 1st round hit / 2 point for 2nd round hit
TIME-
30
6 points possible

STAGE #9: Rooftop
SENARIO-
Shooter will start in the over watch from the rooftop with 3 rounds loaded. Upon the start signal the shooter will engage the 100 yard target with one round and the engage the 431 yard target with up to two rounds.
ROUND COUNT-
3
TARGETS
100 yards (5.5x8) / 431 yards 66%
SCORING-
2 point 100 yard target
4 points 431 yard 1st round hit / 2 point for 2nd round hit
TIME-
30
6 points possible