We gotta legalize Pot

[ArmyJerry]

Sitting here watching Alaska state troopers on TV, fk man they are arresting a shit ton of people for having pot and smoking the shit. Without pot it seems there would be no TV show. And I dare say we would not have half the prisoners we have, what a waste of money and lives by the bullshit legal system we have. Legalize this shit now.

4th amendment dont mean sht anymore, nor does the 5th. Shit like this can make a society not trust the LAW and those in it.

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

Good luck pushing that past the for-profit prison system lobbyists. Personally, I don't see where people get off making it a crime in the first place. I don't find it hard to reconcile that it may be a corruption to society but doesn't intrinsically constitute a crime.

 

[Maxduty]

There would probably still be a show.

ADAIR COUNTY, Oklahoma - An Oklahoma woman has been charged with marijuana possession, despite having a valid medical marijuana license.
Regina Gist had her first appearance in Adair County court Tuesday, October 16.
On September 25, Gist was pulled over for a broken rear brake light.
The 49-year-old single mom of three boys has had four back surgeries and says she lives in constant pain. So, when medical marijuana became legal, she went out got her medical marijuana license.
“I can try it at least. Right? And see if it helps me,” Gist explained after her hearing. “I was really looking forward to it.”
She says she had her medical marijuana license on her when she was pulled over.
“The officer asked if I had anything on me and I said I have a little bit of weed but I have my ID. He just didn’t care. He said I just couldn’t possess it,” said Gist.
Gist said the officer told her since there are no dispensaries open yet, the weed is illegal. But in a motion to dismiss the charges, Gist's attorney argued that it's not. He cites State Question 788 which says, "a license holder can legally possess up to three ounces of marijuana."
“Nowhere does it say you have to get it from the dispensary, you have to get it from XYZ,” said Collin Rockett, Gist’s attorney. “So with that language controlling, it’s our position they have no basis to charge her.”
Gist says she believed she was obeying the law.
"I seriously wasn’t even nervous when I told him. But that changed real fast,” said Gist.
The assistant district attorney prosecuting the case says this is all new to her, too, and at this point they are moving forward with the case while she researches the law. She said she may dismiss the charges.

 

[ArmyJerry]

An absolute people control law, its bullshit, the amount of lives ruined by these stupid fucking laws. A law to control a fucking weed.

 

[SilentStalkr]

Sitting here watching Alaska state troopers on TV, fk man they are arresting a shit ton of people for having pot and smoking the shit. Without pot it seems there would be no TV show. And I dare say we would not have half the prisoners we have, what a waste of money and lives by the bullshit legal system we have. Legalize this shit now.

4th amendment dont mean sht anymore, nor does the 5th. Shit like this can make a society not trust the LAW and those in it.

Nor does the 2nd!

 

[candyx]

So the Stoners in school were way ahead of their time, who knew they were the norm of the future.

 

[Maser]

Legalize it all already! The legal shit is far more dangerous than the illegal shit.

 

[Maxduty]

Legalize it all already! The legal shit is far more dangerous than the illegal shit.

Part of the issue is it does not eliminate the street dealers. Since they don't have to charge state tax and have no overhead, they can sell cheaper than the dispensaries, rendering the major reason for legalizing it moot.

 

[ArmyJerry]

who cares. just legalize it ferkrissakes, if people want to stand on a street and sell pot or tangerines oranges or flowers why the hell is that a government problem? Stop ruining lives man. Why does a state deserve to tax a weed? Trump needs to get behind the legalizing this shit. Fk , millions of lives are being ruined by cops fucking with people smoking pot.

 

[Maxduty]

who cares. just legalize it ferkrissakes, if people want to stand on a street and sell pot or tangerines oranges or flowers why the hell is that a government problem? Stop ruining lives man. Why does a state deserve to tax a weed? Trump needs to get behind the legalizing this shit. Fk , millions of lives are being ruined by cops fucking with people smoking pot.

It's always been about money. It will always be about money.

 

[Maser]

Part of the issue is it does not eliminate the street dealers. Since they don't have to charge state tax and have no overhead, they can sell cheaper than the dispensaries, rendering the major reason for legalizing it moot.

I don't care about the taxes on it. I'm talking about the criminalizing issue of it. We got WAY too overcrowded prisons that are full of people who were simply caught buying or possessing illegal drugs for personal use. You know, victimless crimes. Our federal prisons should be reserved for politicians, rapists, child molesters, murderers, etc.

 

[hlee]

Weed IS legal in Alaska, for those 21 and over. Driving while impaired is not. Consuming in public spaces is not.

My stance on weed is the government should treat it like alcohol. Legalize it. Tax it.

 

[Maxduty]

I don't care about the taxes on it. I'm talking about the criminalizing issue of it. We got WAY too overcrowded prisons that are full of people who were simply caught buying or possessing illegal drugs for personal use. You know, victimless crimes. Our federal prisons should be reserved for politicians, rapists, child molesters, murderers, etc.

While the states legalize it, it remains a Federal class I drug. Until this changes, the prisons will continue to fill up with non violent offenders. I'm for legalizing it and treating it like alcohol. We need better testing to determine if someone driving is impaired though. There is a huge double standard on it as we don't lock up people who ride around with prescription CDSs on their person.

 

[ArmyJerry]

I am going back to watching family guy, no more Cop shows.

 

[Ric O'shay]

Every resident of Alaska should be supplied a free giant bale of weed and a bucket of Xanax, Just for living there.
......said the guy from wisconsin

 

[DuneBoer]

Things sure have been great here in Oregon since we legalized weed and decriminalized user amounts of meth and such. I can only hope it comes to your state so you will truly enjoy and understand.

 

[ArmyJerry]

well, id be okay with the whole goddam country going legal. empty the jails and stop ruining lives

 

[Steel+Killer]

Like I have said before the war on drugs has ruined more lives than it has ever helped!

 

[MK20]

@DuneBoer, I almost ended up living in Oregon. I am so, so glad that I did not. It is another state where one county runs the whole shebang. However, I am in favor of legalizing weed, even though I have never used it. What gives me the right to say what someone else can smoke? Since I don't have that right, and government may be said to be "deriving its just powers from the consent of the governed", please tell me where the government obtained the right to exercise a power that I do not have.

 

[schmi015]

Watch Ken Burns Documentary Prohibition. If you watch livepd on A&E i think like 70% of their interactions/arrests are weed related. The heroin users are just tragic.

 

[EddieNFL]

I'm for legalizing it and treating it like alcohol.

Which includes taxing...unless for medicinal purposes.

 

[Strykervet]

An absolute people control law, its bullshit, the amount of lives ruined by these stupid fucking laws. A law to control a fucking weed.

Well, they legalized it in WA. You know, we were really kicking ass and going the right way until Bloomberg dumped millions on anti gun shit in our state. But nobody has given a shit about weed here forever. Cops don't care, people don't care, it's just not a problem.

We NEED to take back our goddamn government and make 'em work for us. Forming a party consisting of one or more out of state politicians should be treated as organized crime. Rico laws could be used to bust it up. They are, after all, an ongoing organized criminal enterprise with a hierarchy.

 

[Jscb1b]

Legalize all of it. Take out the money. If a junkie or tweaker wants to ruin their life that is fine. Just don't steal my shit to do it!

 

[GrandpaDeadLegs]

Yeah well tell that to the quadrillion people since 1937 that have had their lives rearranged, I say keep it a crime so the people in jail don't have an existential meltdown about it

 

[GrandpaDeadLegs]

Legalize all of it. Take out the money. If a junkie or tweaker wants to ruin their life that is fine. Just don't steal my shit to do it!

Newsflash:

They're gonna fucking steal your shit

 

[Deleted member 113831]

If you really wanted to keep people out of jail, we should just legalize theft. As many dopers get caught stealing to support the habit as get caught holding. While we are at it, we should legalize impaired driving for the same reason.

I live in a state that has had recreational weed for a couple of years now. Property crimes didn't go down, impaired driving went up, illegal weed is still around because it's cheaper than the heavily taxed state stuff. Under aged weed smoking has skyrocketed and the jails are still full.

 

[Jayjay1]

I´ve tried some as a youngster, got nausea instantly for hours, never tried it again.

I wouldn´t care either, just knew a guy when we were on school.
His nickname was "jointer".
He couldn´t stay 1,5 hours (was a double-lesson) without dope.
He really was on it.
He was like stunned the whole day, mouth light open, staring nowhere.
If you asked him something, you had to repeat it twice or three times before he reacted.
One year before the final exame they booted him out.
Never saw or heard anything about him.

I don´t think that alcohol is any better, but you can lose your life with weed too.

 

[supercorndogs]

It's always been about money. It will always be about money.

LAs Vegas YTD 17% of their tax dollars have come from recreational Marijuana. That is more than any other tax input for Las Vegas, NV. So clearly, it has never been about money. You are mixing up money with power over the people.

The thing that keeps the black market open, is its status and still being illegal in most areas. It is also part of the reason for the steady flow of shit bags into CO.

That and CO gives better welfare than a lot of states.

 

[Mr_Happyface]

I don't doubt it'll be legal at the federal level within the next 10 years. They should do it today. Hoping Trump has it up his sleeve for the election so we can focus on shit that matters.

 

[FS1]

Alcohol is much more dangerous. Plus I have never seen a stoner so stoned they can't walk. Stoners are dangerous only to snack food. They have profound revelations and sleep alot.

 

[PPB]

Pot Heads. Right there is the waste.

Our next generation will be pot dumb.

 

[DuneBoer]

@DuneBoer, I almost ended up living in Oregon. I am so, so glad that I did not. It is another state where one county runs the whole shebang. However, I am in favor of legalizing weed, even though I have never used it. What gives me the right to say what someone else can smoke? Since I don't have that right, and government may be said to be "deriving its just powers from the consent of the governed", please tell me where the government obtained the right to exercise a power that I do not have.

In Eastern Oregon we call Kate Brown the Governor of Portland. She wins 4 counties and gets the entire state.

Like I said, I hope all you guys that want dope legal in your states get your wish so that you can enjoy the rewards of all that freedom.

Where does the government get the right to exercise a power you don't have? Please. That ship set sail years ago.

 

[DuneBoer]

Alcohol is much more dangerous. Plus I have never seen a stoner so stoned they can't walk. Stoners are dangerous only to snack food. They have profound revelations and sleep alot.

Seen a toddler that was in a coma because he got into moms "dabs". Kid almost died. Now he can grow up to be a productive member of society. I'm sure he will.

 

[brianf]

besides having a generation of looser stoners, my biggest issue is currently there is no roadside test for pot if you are pulled over by the police (studies from AAA).
they are not able to differentiate between some one who who smoked alot yesterday but is fine to drive in comparison to someone who just smoked and got int he car.
when that guy hits my wife and they cant tell if he's high or clean from yesterday, thats the issue.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

Things sure have been great here in Oregon since we legalized weed and decriminalized user amounts of meth and such. I can only hope it comes to your state so you will truly enjoy and understand.

What the hell? My personal perspective is that shit ISN'T weed or anywhere remotely 'natural' and should never have been even considered for legalization. Tell me that's a typo.

 

[schmi015]

What the hell? My personal perspective is that shit ISN'T weed or anywhere remotely 'natural' and should never have been even considered for legalization. Tell me that's a typo.

Nope you can thank the liberalism of multnomah county(Portland) for that.

There was a case there not to long ago where they had 3 criminals on video plain as day committing armed robbery , two guys cut plea deals for 5 years and 10years for their roles, and to testify against the other guy since he was the main perpetrator. They had HD video, faces and all of these three. Well the main guy was like thats not me, I'm innocent. During the trial the defense attorney was like if you convict him ICE will deport him back to Syria and that would be like a death sentence. He was facing 20+years in jail and the jury acquitted him.

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

The worst thing about cannabis is getting caught with it, but it's not harmless. It's a drug, just because it's a plant means nothing— who here wants to smoke poison ivy? How about vaping some witch hazel? Just because it's not synthesized doesn't mean it is harmless. Wasn't it Ceasar who at one point was poisoned by wisteria, a common flowering weed akin to lilac?

Keep in mind that when weed is legalised minors will see it as more acceptable, which is not good, and you'll pretty much have to wait an extra 15 minutes for everything from a cup of coffee to a tire rotation because people will be stoned all the time. I've been to Mendocino County, spent about a whole year there installing farming infrastructure for legal weed grows and wine vineyards. They have no sense of punctuality, but on the plus side everyone is super friendly and it's still a really nice place to spend some time.

The government doesn't really care about pot smokers in this country, they just care about what powers they can acquiesce to infringe on your right against unreasonable searches and seizures. It turns a broken taillight ticket into war on drugs grant money, and it turns otherwise completely healthy and functional citizens into harmless "criminals" for the for-profit "rehabilitation" system. The ONLY reason they would stop this predatory shit is if they were taking the cream off the top, because the government thinks it's naturally entitled to the benefits of your labour. That's slavery just without the extra persecution, oh gee fuck, thanks.

 

[DuneBoer]

What the hell? My personal perspective is that shit ISN'T weed or anywhere remotely 'natural' and should never have been even considered for legalization. Tell me that's a typo.

Meth isn't legal here. Just a misdemeanor for possession of user amounts. A bill signed by Oregon Gov. Kate Brown makes personal-use possession of cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine and other drugs a misdemeanor, not a felony.

 

[Snipe260]

Jerry just wants to shoot the commies ah all laid back!

 

[Tim_WNC]

Part of the issue is it does not eliminate the street dealers. Since they don't have to charge state tax and have no overhead, they can sell cheaper than the dispensaries, rendering the major reason for legalizing it moot.

I'd contend that the "major reason for legalizing it" is liberty rather than the tax collection benefits that you infer.

 

[doctordoctor]

As a physician I say hell no to legalizing it. All day every day my ER is filled with potheads. Legalizing weed has made things worse. The cyclical vomiting syndrome is out of control. And yes it is a gateway drug. I've never met a coke addict or meth head, etc. Who didn't start with weed.

And don't tell me it's not addicting... Man.... Because it is and most pot heads are losers

 

[Milo 2.5]

Alcohol is much more dangerous. Plus I have never seen a stoner so stoned they can't walk. Stoners are dangerous only to snack food. They have profound revelations and sleep alot.

Being an alcoholic or recovering one, I cannot agree more.
Graduating form HS in the mid 70's, I can say I've seen people stick to weed and never experiment, and still smoke today. But I've also witnessed pot in a gateway or stepping stone situation also, people experimenting or moving on to more potent vices, and it can get ugly quickly. We are creatures of our habitat, no different than why we are all here, we're shooters.
I really could give 2 shits if pot is legalized, may ease the court systems, may create a tax base.
But the older I get, the bigger the redneck I become, and I sense it is a pipedream that legalizing weed will make it any safer to do it, and I'd bet most who've been in the drug culture would agree with me.
I could write a book on drunken stupors, combination drug induced drunken stupors, and the extremely intelligent decisions made while in them, I wonder how I am alive today.

 

[Doc68]

As a physician I say hell no to legalizing it. All day every day my ER is filled with potheads. Legalizing weed has made things worse. The cyclical vomiting syndrome is out of control. And yes it is a gateway drug. I've never met a coke addict or meth head, etc. Who didn't start with weed.

And don't tell me it's not addicting... Man.... Because it is and most pot heads are losers

And if drugs are legalized, how many less gang shootings will you see due to them not fighting over areas to sell them illegally. How many less overdoses will you see since drugs wont be laced with fentanyl. How many less patients with Hep-C and HIV due to getting clean needles.

Yes it wont be a cure all, however it will cut down on a lot of it.

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

Well since the OP was in regards to Alaska.....
What about alcohol being deemed illegal to possess in certain villages even though it is considered a completely legal beverage by the USA?

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[Milo 2.5]

Hi,

Well since the OP was in regards to Alaska.....
What about alcohol being deemed illegal to possess in certain villages even though it is considered a completely legal beverage by the USA?

Sincerely,
Theis

You should make a trip into Harden MT and see how well that works.

 

[308220]

As a physician I say hell no to legalizing it. All day every day my ER is filled with potheads. Legalizing weed has made things worse. The cyclical vomiting syndrome is out of control. And yes it is a gateway drug. I've never met a coke addict or meth head, etc. Who didn't start with weed.

And don't tell me it's not addicting... Man.... Because it is and most pot heads are losers

I call bullshit.

 

[Threadcutter308]

Hi,

Well since the OP was in regards to Alaska.....
What about alcohol being deemed illegal to possess in certain villages even though it is considered a completely legal beverage by the USA?

Sincerely,
Theis

I believe the Natives have jurisdiction in the majority of those villages. In the Pacific NW, they are sovereign nations with their own laws. If you’ve ever witnessed the devastation that alcohol hath wrought on them, it would give one pause to consider prohibition not such a bad thing. OTOH, there are the individual rights arguments as well.

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

CVS, as seen in cannabis users, is almost always caused by neem oil that growers use as an organic pesticide. It's not the plant.

 

[Deleted member 113831]

And if drugs are legalized, how many less gang shootings will you see due to them not fighting over areas to sell them illegally. How many less overdoses will you see since drugs wont be laced with fentanyl. How many less patients with Hep-C and HIV due to getting clean needles.

Yes it wont be a cure all, however it will cut down on a lot of it.

You have no understanding of either criminal culture or drug culture.

Gangs fight over territory...period. Street drugs are laced with fentanyl because it increases profit margin by an order of magnitude. IV drug users have almost zero sense of hygiene, when you don't care if you eat, sleep or die, Hep-C and HIV are faraway considerations.

 

[Milo 2.5]

I call bullshit.

Not sure you can go that far, in his environment, and what he is witness to, his observation may be spot on.

I know some highly successful people who make relatively critical decisions who could be labeled as potheads, and are extremely valuble members of society. Some have spouses who have no clue they even toke up. Sometimes it boils down to who you run with, the environment you are indulging in, etc.. as to whether you are living in a shithole world or a productive person who just likes his weed and their choices are not affecting others negatively.