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- Thread starter BillyNg
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TacOps turns out rifles that will do it pretty regularly.
If you still have the rifle, jump on Mike from TacOps' offer without delay.
You'll only be out a bit of shipping cost and for that low price, you'll have a firm answer to your issue that is like the word from the almighty so to speak.
You'll only be out a bit of shipping cost and for that low price, you'll have a firm answer to your issue that is like the word from the almighty so to speak.
My $550 Howa .308 shot .7 MOA all day from the factory with 168 FGGM.
I can get a rifle from any number of manufacturers who guarantee 1 MOA. Most of the time, I get from the factory what you are getting - for a whole lot less. If I'm lucky, with the right handload or match ammo combo, I can get half-MOA some of the time.
You spent a shitload of money getting a custom build from someone reputable who sold you a product with a specific and repeatable precision guarantee. The reason you spend that much on a custom rifle is that the precision guarantee ought to be reproduce-able in any weather condition, with the proper ammo, ALL THE TIME. As long as the input variables are reasonable met, you should be able to reasonably expect that level of precision.
I would push for a replacement build of equal value. If they're as big as you say, they can easily sell it off to help recoup some of the costs as an as-is rifle with a test target showing the buyer exactly what they can expect.
I can get a rifle from any number of manufacturers who guarantee 1 MOA. Most of the time, I get from the factory what you are getting - for a whole lot less. If I'm lucky, with the right handload or match ammo combo, I can get half-MOA some of the time.
You spent a shitload of money getting a custom build from someone reputable who sold you a product with a specific and repeatable precision guarantee. The reason you spend that much on a custom rifle is that the precision guarantee ought to be reproduce-able in any weather condition, with the proper ammo, ALL THE TIME. As long as the input variables are reasonable met, you should be able to reasonably expect that level of precision.
I would push for a replacement build of equal value. If they're as big as you say, they can easily sell it off to help recoup some of the costs as an as-is rifle with a test target showing the buyer exactly what they can expect.
I think it's appropriate to give the builder the first right of refusal to rectify his own work. If he refuses, then seek out the help of others.
Ole TacOps Mike sounds like he has a couple groupies ready to blow him in this thread.
Ole TacOps Mike sounds like he has a couple groupies ready to blow him in this thread.
Thanks for the laugh if the day.
I don't care who the builder is consistent 1/4 moa with factory ammo is laughable. Especially a tactical rifle generally shot off a bipod and/or by inexperienced shooters. Most factory ammo won't even shoot in the single SD's and that's not even the whole story to the ammo equation.
To the OP,
Get your money back if your not satisfied.
I will warn you though, best consistent 5 shot groups I've printed with match factory ammo is around 1/2 moa.
With the combo you chose I'd be happy with 1/2-3/4 moa with 175gr fgmm.
Cafeful, you are about to be bombarded with random pics of pieces of cardboard with single groups on them.
No kidding. Maybe Mike can post a collage of his rifles shooting <.100" groups before leaving the factory. I doubt if he's ever had one that shot over .100".
I was just about to grab my bergara b14, case, and a box of 6.5 ELDM... oh and cardboard.
I bet you guys can make rifles that PDs nationwide and at least a few federal agencies queue up and wait for.
Right?
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I can at least speak for my light hearted joking and say that I meant not to disrespect Mike or his rifles.
His attention to detail seems second to none.
I was more or less joking about the guys that like to post pics of their cardboard that they got when they bought the rifle and claim they have a .00...whatever rifle that they should be able to wax the short ranged benchrest circuit with ammo you can buy at academy.
As for my rifle building abilities, I can build what I need to suit my expectations and often exceed them. I couldn't care less what PD's choose to buy.
His attention to detail seems second to none.
I was more or less joking about the guys that like to post pics of their cardboard that they got when they bought the rifle and claim they have a .00...whatever rifle that they should be able to wax the short ranged benchrest circuit with ammo you can buy at academy.
As for my rifle building abilities, I can build what I need to suit my expectations and often exceed them. I couldn't care less what PD's choose to buy.
If the OP is smart enough to jump on the offer by TacOps..........please, please for the sake of all that is good and right in the world let us know what you find.
Any other skilled people on here?
I've had these bumps on my ass, if I pay shipping both ways, will you tell me what they are?
Any other skilled people on here?
I've had these bumps on my ass, if I pay shipping both ways, will you tell me what they are?
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Tell that to the guy who posted before you. He guarantees just that with FGMM.
William Roscoe over at Louisiana Precision used to as well. I don't think he does full builds anymore though (I read he only rebarrels actions now).
@WildBill3/75
One, you're an idiot, Mike absolutely gets .25 groups out of factory ammo... I can post the groups from mine, using factory ammo. That is the Tac Ops Claim to fame, he totally excels at this, getting superb accuracy out of factory Federal 308, it's a fucking Cop Gun you turd and that is what he does, and has been doing it since the 80s.
you asshole are classic, no fucking clue what they fuck you are talking about, but here you are spouting shit.
Same thing for @dimar1492
you should be banned, Mike is fucking pissed and I don't blame him. Here he is offering to help a guy, and you assholes are slamming him because you don't have the first clue what you are talking about. You posted you didn't mean disrespect, meanwhile, you completely disrespected the guy.
you guys come on here, no fucking clue what you are saying and slamming vendors and companies because you're too ignorant to understand how this stuff works.
.25 Groups, with factory ammo, the Rifles flat out shoot, because that is what he does.
Next time I am purging your assholes, make an public example of you two turds
One, you're an idiot, Mike absolutely gets .25 groups out of factory ammo... I can post the groups from mine, using factory ammo. That is the Tac Ops Claim to fame, he totally excels at this, getting superb accuracy out of factory Federal 308, it's a fucking Cop Gun you turd and that is what he does, and has been doing it since the 80s.
you asshole are classic, no fucking clue what they fuck you are talking about, but here you are spouting shit.
Same thing for @dimar1492
you should be banned, Mike is fucking pissed and I don't blame him. Here he is offering to help a guy, and you assholes are slamming him because you don't have the first clue what you are talking about. You posted you didn't mean disrespect, meanwhile, you completely disrespected the guy.
you guys come on here, no fucking clue what you are saying and slamming vendors and companies because you're too ignorant to understand how this stuff works.
.25 Groups, with factory ammo, the Rifles flat out shoot, because that is what he does.
Next time I am purging your assholes, make an public example of you two turds
@ Mike from TacOps - I don't know you from Adam, but have seen your wallet groups on cardboard for years around here. In today's world, with all the BS it is refreshing to see someone step forward with nothing to gain and say they will help a stranger. Good on you.
In a world of Black Lives Matter, TacOps is an indication that neither suppliers or those that are willing to get the best are lacking the concern to do the job right.
Im guessing that makes me a fan boy waiting in line to service Mike R for his service.
It was my first one, someone hand me a hanky.
Im guessing that makes me a fan boy waiting in line to service Mike R for his service.
It was my first one, someone hand me a hanky.
If you find it necessary to ban me, obviously your call. I can see where my initial statements came off as condescending, but was aimed towards the "i have a .00003 Moa rifle with factory ammo" crowd that by all accounts should be breaking records set by purpose built benchrest rigs. This happens with the RPR crowd too.
I stand behind that I meant no disrespect as Mike's rifles have maintained a stellar reputation for a long time.
Don't need pictures of your groups because I don't care. Just as I'm sure you don't care what my rifles do.
As for being a turd...meh, I've been called worse by better.
I see you are about as hot-headed as I am. But us short, angry Italians gotta stick together.
Mike, I apologize for any frustration caused. I sincerely meant no disrespect.
I stand behind that I meant no disrespect as Mike's rifles have maintained a stellar reputation for a long time.
Don't need pictures of your groups because I don't care. Just as I'm sure you don't care what my rifles do.
As for being a turd...meh, I've been called worse by better.
I see you are about as hot-headed as I am. But us short, angry Italians gotta stick together.
Mike, I apologize for any frustration caused. I sincerely meant no disrespect.
Quick update. I just had an incredible 30 minute phone call with a legend who, as it turns out, is kind and generous on top of being unquestionably the best in his field. Thank you MikeR.
Earlier today, after figuring out who my builder was, Mike went and gave him a call. Seems they both know and respect each other and both are working together to get my stick shooting the way it should. I have a shit-eating grin on my face right now that I don't think will be leaving any time soon. Anyone who doesn't understand why, needs to do just a wee bit of research into what Tac Ops produces.
Seems the two of them are working through the possibilities and have a plan of attack. I won't see the rifle for a little while, but that's okay. I'm sure it'll be worth it.
Earlier today, after figuring out who my builder was, Mike went and gave him a call. Seems they both know and respect each other and both are working together to get my stick shooting the way it should. I have a shit-eating grin on my face right now that I don't think will be leaving any time soon. Anyone who doesn't understand why, needs to do just a wee bit of research into what Tac Ops produces.
Seems the two of them are working through the possibilities and have a plan of attack. I won't see the rifle for a little while, but that's okay. I'm sure it'll be worth it.
308, I was being serious, not poking fun at Mike or TacOps.that man knows how to make a rifle shoot in one hole, as witnessed by all the cardboard test fires he sends with his rifles. All, or almost all, are well under .100” groups.
@BillyNg Do you ever shoot on Long Island? Maybe you can meet up with me and I'll help you out shooting that stick of yours when you get it back. I'll even bring my Lima 51 and let you try that for comparison. I have a few 737R's you could sample as well, GAP built with either 3/8 or 1/2 MOA guarantee.
There or Calverton. I shoot later in the afternoon and only on the 200 yard range. Can do 300 yards there too on Saturdays @ 5pm. Also, I shoot @ a private club that has 100 yard indoor tubes. No wind 
if mike is pissed Ban these guys. Guys like Mike and LRI and Josh and many other vendors .... all the optic vendors and PUG make this place amazing!
Sorry, went back and re-read and I admit I took it out of context. Maybe because your post just happened to follow the two insults.
I apologize for lumping you with the others.
No worries brother. If you are ever in Phoenix beers are on me.
With an invitation like that, I'm in. No, I don't shoot on Long Island, but I'm in Westchester and Long Island is definitely an option for me.
To the op, don’t give up. SAC has built a couple guns for me and they are top notch. I did however have a factory 308 police that didn’t shoot under 1moa with any handloads so I sent it off to a very well known smith and had the action trued and a new bartlein barrel spun on. Put it back in the hs stock and it shot the same. Couldn’t believe I had spent close to $2000 on getting the action trued, bolt fluted and timed, premium barrel installed and all cerakoted for what seemed like no gain in performance. It sat in the safe again for a while and I bought a Cadex chassis for a 6.5 SAC build that I had and my buddy said to put the 308 in it. Though it was a waste of time but did it anyway and I’m glad I did. It shot .2moa with factory 167’s. Not sure what the issue was with the hs precision stock and eventually sold it, but the smith said they would not bed it or mess with it.
Probably not your issue but it’s probably something small that is causing an issue once it’s all bolted together. I’m sure they will get it sorted. Best of luck!
Dave
Probably not your issue but it’s probably something small that is causing an issue once it’s all bolted together. I’m sure they will get it sorted. Best of luck!
Dave
Wow, I have a Rem 700 5R SS in the HS stock it ships with and had it bedded When I got the stock back from Joe Ducks for a comb job.
It was clear that the action was only touching two very small spots at the action screws.
Bedding seemed to really help. Didn’t make it a tack driver, but this is mostly a hunting gun, but def tightened it up.
So, did you leave it in that chassis?
This thread reminds me that one day I need to own a TacOps rifle.
I just need to quit being a poor HA!
I just need to quit being a poor HA!
Understood, but does not mean all is well, additionally the rifle has been re-barreled, re-scoped, and had comp and crown already altered, seems logically it may be worthwhile to verify the action work as well.
There is a plan
Funny you mention that. There is a plan in place between MikeR and my builder. It involves a new action (apparently Impact has already agreed to take-back the one on my rifle), a Krieger barrel, and since the PRS-1 has been bedded unfortunately, it appears that it will have to include a new stock or chassis. I'll see if I can recoup some of the PRS-1 cost by selling it, but doubt I'll get much for it in its currently bedded condition.
Either way, there's a plan. Which is great, and gives me hope. It also felt good to hear how well Mike spoke about my builder. Mike has a lot of respect for him and his products, which says a LOT considering who Mike is. I will sleep soundly tonight.
Funny you mention that. There is a plan in place between MikeR and my builder. It involves a new action (apparently Impact has already agreed to take-back the one on my rifle), a Krieger barrel, and since the PRS-1 has been bedded unfortunately, it appears that it will have to include a new stock or chassis. I'll see if I can recoup some of the PRS-1 cost by selling it, but doubt I'll get much for it in its currently bedded condition.
Either way, there's a plan. Which is great, and gives me hope. It also felt good to hear how well Mike spoke about my builder. Mike has a lot of respect for him and his products, which says a LOT considering who Mike is. I will sleep soundly tonight.
For the most part I believe you can mill out the bedding compound and reuse the stock. Not that I've tried it, but have read about others doing it on here.
After reading through this my first thought was something not right in the action or ignition. Maybe a burr hanging up the pin, something like that. Everything else seems to have been checked or swapped out.
I did. Was going to bed the action like you did but didn’t have much confidence in the stock. Felt it should shoot better since it was very similar to a manners with the aluminum mini chassis.
No worries it's all good thank you for the telephone call after I reached out that was a classy thing to do
Mike R.
No worries it's all good thank you for the telephone call after I reached out that was a classy thing to do
Mike R.
No problem, and thanks for taking the time to talk it out with me. Glad we are on the same page and nice to make a new friend.
Your most welcome and thank you for being a complete gentleman
Let me know when you need a barrel if you can't locate one in a timely manner ? , I'll send it out the same day and the first one is on me Mike R.
Best shooting rifle I ever owned was a GAP Thunder Ranch .308 that would print .25 pretty regularly with 168 fgmm. I’m not a group shooter and don’t post a lot of pics......but that rifle performed well, even for me.
You just suck or don’t purchase quality rifles.
Also, learn yourself a bit, SD has about zero to do with groups @100 which is where most of these accuracy guarantees happen.
