What does 6.5 do over 7.62?

[Ronws]

308 is for UT Longhorn fans, no down range performance.

Well, that got my last feeling.

I was at UT at Arlington in 1982, a Longhorn by extension. EE major but I did not finish, I was a poor boy and ran out of money. But I was not as poor as the two girls who had to share one cup.

 

[Stevo86]

The people who actually shoot people for a living are already using 6.5cm and other calibers suited to the role. What big army or dod uses for small arms is almost irrelevant. It's the least casualty producing weapon on the battlefield , soldiers have garbage marksmanship training and tools, and the cost to change is not worth it. What the military is using has zero relevance on the efficacy and benefit to competitive shooters and LR shooters.

Anytime someone brings up what the military is using in these types of discussions you instantly know they have no fucking idea what they are talking about.

So big army doesn’t shoot people for a living ?

 

[Rocketmandb]

I like hitting what Im aiming at.

That's what my 6 BRA is for.

 

[abn31c]

So big army doesn’t shoot people for a living ?

Don't feed the sloths, he'll just "wet" hisef a bit.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

So big army doesn’t shoot people for a living ?

As someone who spent 10 years in big army including downrange getting shot at and shooting mother Fuckers,Not really.

HE is overwhelmingly what causes casualties.

Small cal Bullets are almost irrelevant on the battlefield outside of SOF. The type or size of bullet is white noise and irrelevant. Bullets keep heads down while casualty producing weapons help people meet god.

The fact you have to ask such a dumb fucking questions just shows how little you know.

 

[Haney]

 

[epeet]

What he means is the tumble thing is pretty much a BS myth that just wont die.

Tumbling is a byproduct of an especially long bullet design. It can break apart due to impact, become unstable in tissue and tumble, or ice pick its way though. It isn't a repeatable or reliable form of terminal wounding. Doesn't make it a myth. Once I had about 10k rounds on my 5.45 AR, probably 30% of the rounds were hitting the targets sideways at 15-30 yards. By 50+ they were flying regularly. Definitely made for a strange looking target with a bunch of sideways bullet holes on it.

 

[abn31c]

As someone who spent 10 years in big army including downrange getting shot at and shooting mother Fuckers,Not really.

HE is overwhelmingly what causes casualties.

Small cal Bullets are almost irrelevant on the battlefield outside of SOF. The type or size of bullet is white noise and irrelevant. Bullets keep heads down while casualty producing weapons help people meet god.

The fact you have to ask such a dumb fucking questions just shows how little you know.

Lol, suck yer own dick much?

 

[Supersubes]

Tumbling is a byproduct of an especially long bullet design. It can break apart due to impact, become unstable in tissue and tumble, or ice pick its way though. It isn't a repeatable or reliable form of terminal wounding. Doesn't make it a myth. Once I had about 10k rounds on my 5.45 AR, probably 30% of the rounds were hitting the targets sideways at 15-30 yards. By 50+ they were flying regularly. Definitely made for a strange looking target with a bunch of sideways bullet holes on it.

You missed the point.

 

[HiDesertELR]

I should check in more... sorta missed this bullshit

 

[TheBigCountry]

So big army doesn’t shoot people for a living ?

Not when your gangsta like DeathByDiscount ranking 500 for the year

 

[TonyTheTiger]

I should check in more... sorta missed this bullshit

Same. This stuff is the only reason I ever wander into the bolt gun forum.

 

[powdahound76]

Dont take my word for it. Go to JBM. Enter realistic velocities, pick bullets/bc’s you’d likely shoot.

Here’s berger 185 jugs and berger 153’s at the same muzzle velocity. Weather is my local conditions.


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What is this gay MOA crap???

Dang.

I was with ya till this…..

 

[Supersubes]

What is this gay MOA crap???

Dang.

I was with ya till this…..

You think the OP is more of a Mil guy?

 

[Bender]

I see Cobra Cutter is at it again

 

[HiDesertELR]

You think the OP is more of a Mil guy?

That's IPHY

 

[hafejd30]

Maybe the 6.5 is better for longer range because it takes longer for the bullet to go to sleep

 

[Bender]

Well I'm mad and intrigued at the same time. I'm a die hard 308cal guy and had all intentions of dying with that caliber of old age. But on here you guys kept and kept pushing me towards 6.5 Creedmoor so I at least looked into why I shouldn't do it.

Less recoil, less powder usage, bullets are about $10 cheaper per 100.

Last leg I had to stand on was MIL and LE still use the 308 for sniper usage though. But then I found out SOCOM is wanting to go to 6.5 Creedmoor over 308 due to it being a more effective round.

So is a 308cal really just old tech that still gets it done but there are better options out there?

Does the 6.5 Creedmoor really do better at target shooting?

Is the 6.5 Creedmoor really more effective than 308 on 2 legged threats?

Welcome to 2013 bruh.

 

[loveha]

Did we really kick off 2024 with a classic 308WIN vs 6.5CM argument?

 

[powdahound76]

You think the OP is more of a Mil guy?

Point taken. And you are mostly correct.
Guessing more duplex hold over and “that looks like 290” of drop, right???”
If he didnt know what a calculator is….

I mean, if he is gonna switch to the 6.5 he has to switch to mils!!!

Metric for both

Only makes sense

 

[Bender]

Dont take my word for it. Go to JBM. Enter realistic velocities, pick bullets/bc’s you’d likely shoot.

Here’s berger 185 jugs and berger 153’s at the same muzzle velocity. Weather is my local conditions.


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Who TF still uses MOA? Are you Greek?

 

[Bender]

Did we really kick off 2024 with a classic 308WIN vs 6.5CM argument?

Yes it’s 15 years ago apparently

 

[HiDesertELR]

Point taken. And you are mostly correct.
Guessing more duplex hold over and “that looks like 290” of drop, right???”
If he didnt know what a calculator is….

I mean, if he is gonna switch to the 6.5 he has to switch to mils!!!

Metric for both

Only makes sense

Maf is hrd

 

[DIBBS]

 

[TheOE800]

Metric for both

You some kind of pinko fuckin’ commie?

 

[RUN8]

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Damn this forum, needs to give me four hands. So I can give this post four thumbs up.

 

[Makinchips208]

I wanna contribute something meaningful to this thread but I still shoot
308 and moa.

 

[drglock]

As someone who spent 10 years in big army including downrange getting shot at and shooting mother Fuckers,Not really.

HE is overwhelmingly what causes casualties.

Small cal Bullets are almost irrelevant on the battlefield outside of SOF. The type or size of bullet is white noise and irrelevant. Bullets keep heads down while casualty producing weapons help people meet god.

The fact you have to ask such a dumb fucking questions just shows how little you know.

Why don’t you go crawl back under the from the rock from which you came. Instead of coming on here all badass like. No one gives a shit about anything you have to say. You’re nothing but annoying background noise.

 

[45-90]

Half moa from a 308 at 1400 yards?

Some do ... others don't. You obviously can not. 308 win 3" and 4" 3 shot groups at 1400 yds. And 1.5" at 1000yds. Over 20 yrs ago...shot squirrels and varmints past 1000yds. Belonged to the Varmint Hunters club for over 10 yrs...the longest distance for a 308 Win Prarie dog kill was 2200 yds, made by a better shot than me, I was about average at the time, and the guy was going for 3200 yds, but his shooting friend beat him to the punch with a then new 338 Lapua, after giving up on the 264 Win mag, he needed heavier bullets to spot the misses. It was a big thing back then, nobody shot steel, we killed live varmints. Tons of big bore wildcats were created and employed off the 416 Rigby case...then the 50BMG, a forward observor and very long second flight times. I bought a 50BMG for...varmints.

 

[45-90]

I have shot my .556 to 1200 yards many times but it’s far easier with a .308 and easier still with a 6.5 Creedmoor

Throw away all those other calibers, they are no good...they can't get it done...just use the AR 15 in .556!
Anyone remember the Jeff Cooper Challenge, around 2004?
The Challenge, ....20 rds, in 20 seconds, into a 20" circle at 1000yds! Cooper thought it would be a challenge that would last for a long time...Not so, after a few months of practice, Dave Lauck, of D&L sports completed the challenge, with his special built AR 15 in 5.56 and special 77 gr bullets... in 20 seconds, the 20 rounds were inside of the 20" circle at 1000yds...and he sold modified AR 15s to those who wanted to try the challenge.
Everyone should own an AR 15 in 5.56. Plus it works fine on NVA personnel, according to a MAC V SOG Lt, as well as a suppressed 22 LR pistol for use on enemy the trackers, and the K-Bar for those close encounters.
It all depends on what you're trying to accomplish. But the gun in your hands is the one you need, when seriously negative event happens, and here, the AR 5.56 is a good choice.

 

[roostercogburn98]

As someone who spent 10 years in big army

Rookie. I’m pretty sure all your gear still smells like aafes

 

[TheBigCountry]

Rookie. I’m pretty sure all your gear still smells like aafes

I heard it smells like Curve women’s body spray.

Just the scuttlebutt from people who have met little Nicky in person

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

Why don’t you go crawl back under the from the rock from which you came. Instead of coming on here all badass like. No one gives a shit about anything you have to say. You’re nothing but annoying background noise.

You mad? He's mad. Take some midol, eat some chocolate and your pussy will stop hurting.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

Not when your gangsta like DeathByDiscount ranking 500 for the year

Living in your head rent free still I see. It's amazing seeing all the shitbird , low IQ posters come out at the same time. It's like sending up a bat signal for the autism, inbred and trailer park coalition.

 

[BurtG]

the 308 can easily beat the 6.5 CM with handloads compared to factory. 6.5s.

 

[BurtG]

6cm is more better than either

The future is now.

 

[Stevo86]

As someone who spent 10 years in big army including downrange getting shot at and shooting mother Fuckers,Not really.

HE is overwhelmingly what causes casualties.

Small cal Bullets are almost irrelevant on the battlefield outside of SOF. The type or size of bullet is white noise and irrelevant. Bullets keep heads down while casualty producing weapons help people meet god.

The fact you have to ask such a dumb fucking questions just shows how little you know.

When I grow up…. I hope I’m a badass like you….

 

[TheBigCountry]

When I grow up…. I hope I’m a badass like you….

You’re too tall.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

When I grow up…. I hope I’m a badass like you….

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

what people?...name them...


man its easy to be right when you exclude a massive sample from the pool.

what about GSG9.....they are still shooting .308
what about GIGN....they are still shooting .308
what about FBI HRT....they are still shooting .308

or do they not count either for some reason?

"anyone who shoots people for a living is carrying .30 SuperCarry.....if you bring up every police dept, security force, and military in the world who shoot 9mm, i instantly know you dont know what the fuck you are talking about"

Sorry you are too slow on the uptake. You really should read more and post less. Your entire post is riddled with ignorance. You know no one in the community so your info is from other retards and ignorant shits who run their face about shit they don't know. But I'm going to you out. Here is a post from years ago (and there are a ton more of these if you look). Scroll down to Post 16

Is 6.5 CM ever used as military or LE sniper rifles?

know .308, 300win mad and 338 are used as sniper rifles but I never hear about 6.5 creedmoor guns being used....why???

www.snipershide.com

So we have guys who train JSOC. Those same guys are in our community and openly talk about some of the equipment they have to teach these guys. We have JSOC guys in our community who shoot with us. Sometimes they even bring their gear out to shoot comps. Its not a secret unless you live in moms basement, dont get out and meet people and just sit here slinging shit at people whose jockstrap you couldnt hold if your life depended on it.

Ironically the shitbird troll bender even liked this post yet comes in here with the band of merry faggots to stir shit up. Just shows you who is here to have an actual discussion and who is here to be a worthless piece of shit.

 

[TheBigCountry]

ah yes, sorry i dont have arcane knowledge of every thread posted on the forum so that i can recall a 1 page thread from 4 years ago......your autism powers must be different from my autism powers.





JSOC.....wait.....i thought if you brought up what the military was shooting you "didnt know what the fuck you are talking about".....but here you are.....bringing up what the military is shooting???? interesting self report there buddy.



so as to your comment....."everyone who shoot people is already shooting 6.5"

have you officially decreed that GIGN, GSG9, and FBI HRT are excluded from that list?.....they apparently dont count for some reason?......but some random PD in Texas does?


tailoring data to suit your narative....sounds like something a democrat would do.

I know where Nicky gets his info

He plays COD: Modern Warfare

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

ah yes, sorry i dont have arcane knowledge of every thread posted on the forum so that i can recall a 1 page thread from 4 years ago......your autism powers must be different from my autism powers.



also, did you miss this comment from mike in that very thread you posted?

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JSOC.....wait.....i thought if you brought up what the military was shooting you "didnt know what the fuck you are talking about".....but here you are.....bringing up what the military is shooting???? interesting self report there buddy.



so as to your comment....."everyone who shoot people is already shooting 6.5"

have you officially decreed that GIGN, GSG9, and FBI HRT are excluded from that list?.....they apparently dont count for some reason?......but some random PD in Texas does?


tailoring data to suit your narative....sounds like something a democrat would do.

Where was ANYONE talking about LEO? You are either too stupid to understand this or purposely moving the goal posts. Just stop you are making yourself look dumber with every post.

I love how you take my posts out of context and then have the balls to tell me Im tailoring data to my narrative. You would make a great democrat politician. Its amazing some of you have survived this long. Natural selection has been cheated.

 

[spife7980]

Where was ANYONE talking about LEO? You are either too stupid to understand this or purposely moving the goal posts. Just stop you are making yourself look dumber with every post.

Hes not the only one.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Mods need to add a "you will catch aids if you open this" disclaimer in the thread title.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

i assumed you would ONLY be talking about LEO.....because "anyone who mentions what the military is shooting doesnt know what they are talking about".....


so what the status of GIGN, HRT and GSG9?...or the fact that mike has ONLY sold .308s to LEO agencies...?

 

[MikeMiller]

Look men, my favorite teacher in the arts of killing, James R Jarrett, once told me “ Good men can disagree and still be friends”.

Face it we all pretty much type for shit and often the words written are incomplete and incoherent

The bottom line is yes the 6.5 beats the 308 in long distance hit probability. That’s science

It does not mean the 308 is dead. Far from it. It’s still my favorite round because I don’t need wind charts or ballistic calculations to know what’s needed to hit my target with it. It has served me well. With that said I recommend to my students to just start with 6.5 Creedmoor so they learn on the easier system

As to 6mm Creedmoor no doubt it’s a beast for target shooting No idea on military police applications. Time will tell

 

[Bender]

Cobra Cutter, I see someone let you on the internet again.

 

[MikeMiller]

Cobra Cutter, I see someone let you on the internet again.


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Who is Cobra Cutter?

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Who a custom builder who sells severely overpriced custom remington 700's to like it's still 2001 is pretty irrelevant.

308 still has a huge presence in LE for many reasons. 1. Funding and they already have the shit. 2. Ammo/barrier penetration. 3. They're always atleast a decade behind the times. There are LE agencies that are running 6.5's though and another 10 years down the road you'll see many more. 50 years down the road though I bet there will still be 308's being used too.

As to mil use, they just adopted another 6.5 platform for DMR use and have had others in use going back to the 260 I believe even before the Creedmoor was a thing. They have had other 6.5 platforms in use before the latest contract. I think you'll see the 308 stuff slowly fazed out though even in the SASS platforms as they're retired. The military is clearly looking for ballistically superior rounds compared to what they have been using which is clearly evident by the .277 Fury, 300NM, 6.5 CM, 260, and 6 ARC. My understanding is that in the MK22's most are just running 308 as a training barrel since it reduces ammo/barrel costs and running NM for other stuff. It would be interesting to see the data from ISC as to who was running what.

For the recreational shooter choosing a 308 over a 6.5 creedmoor is dumb AF unless you just have a shitload of 308 match ammo laying around that you'd rather burn up than sell/trade for 6.5.

 

[Bender]

Who is Cobra Cutter?

One of RetardsBeforeDiscount many other forum names because he keeps getting banned for being retarded.