When the conversation comes around on what to do during emergency situations, be it man-made or otherwise, my wife always ask what about her and people like her that must have certain medication to live. What do they do when there is no Walmart or CVS? This became a concern for her during Katrina. She is from Idaho and had never seen anything like it, and we were right in it. We lived in MS, and for those of you who don't know, Katrina only grazed N.O., it hit MS head-on. N.O. only flooded, the MS coastline from Bay St. Louis to Alabama was destroyed and even 150 miles inland we had hurricane force winds and hundreds of tornadoes for 13 hours that day. Whole communities were cut off from the rest of the world for weeks as crews had to cut there way in through millions of downed trees. Many old people perished in their homes waiting to be saved some because they ran out of medication, insulin and such. My wife's concern is thyroid medicine as she had her's removed due to cancer. The doctor has described to her a slow agonizing death without the proper medication, and the thought of it terrifies her. I always tell her when SHTF there will still be doctors and pharmacist that could possibly blend up some concoction that would work, but I truly don't know the answer.
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I’d see if there is some natural substitute that might work. May be some plant or combination of plants or minerals that could do it.
Second possibility is to find the formulation of the med and see if they offer it in veterinary form. If so, find out the shelf life and buy a bunch and vacuum seal it.
Second possibility is to find the formulation of the med and see if they offer it in veterinary form. If so, find out the shelf life and buy a bunch and vacuum seal it.
Try and get the Dr. To write a 3 month script. Anything other than pain meds can get a 3 supply written, my heart meds 3 months script always with 3 refills..
Medications, just like other essentials such as non-perishable foodstuffs and ammo, should be stockpiled.
And the time to do it is far, far in advance of any likely situation that would lead to a critical shortage.
Some medications, like certain types of blood pressure, heart rate, prostate, and cholesterol meds, do not have to be taken on a strict prescribed regimen. I know many folks who take those 'as needed' or when their condition calls for it. In this sense, any unused meds should be stored in absolute dark containers and in cool, dry locations to maintain shelf life. Any quantity of medication that is unused should be properly packaged and stored in a safe place. When new meds of the same kind are obtained, MAKE SURE you rotate stock, and use the ones that have been in storage the longest, and shift the new acquisitions to the back of the storage. That way, you maintain a supply that is always kept fresh. But make sure there is enough stocked for a PROLONGED period of potential disaster.
Maintain record logs while you are doing this so you can keep track of what meds you are dealing with. A notebook and pen goes a long way and pay close attention to labels.
There are other meds which must be taken on a regimen basis and could not be weaned into a stockpile, so you should try to get your Dr. to give you some extra quantities just in case. In the society we live in now, issues like this are a very real concern. The storms that hit Alabama just last week are a clear indication of just how fast our normal day to day routines can be flipped ass over teakettle.
Stockpile. ROTATE STOCK. Keep records. Make sure you have enough. This should be done every day. Not when word is out that shit is about to go down. Because by that point, there will be a zerg-rush by the entire population to obtain the remaining stock.
Keep inventory and keep stock EVERY DAY.
And the time to do it is far, far in advance of any likely situation that would lead to a critical shortage.
Some medications, like certain types of blood pressure, heart rate, prostate, and cholesterol meds, do not have to be taken on a strict prescribed regimen. I know many folks who take those 'as needed' or when their condition calls for it. In this sense, any unused meds should be stored in absolute dark containers and in cool, dry locations to maintain shelf life. Any quantity of medication that is unused should be properly packaged and stored in a safe place. When new meds of the same kind are obtained, MAKE SURE you rotate stock, and use the ones that have been in storage the longest, and shift the new acquisitions to the back of the storage. That way, you maintain a supply that is always kept fresh. But make sure there is enough stocked for a PROLONGED period of potential disaster.
Maintain record logs while you are doing this so you can keep track of what meds you are dealing with. A notebook and pen goes a long way and pay close attention to labels.
There are other meds which must be taken on a regimen basis and could not be weaned into a stockpile, so you should try to get your Dr. to give you some extra quantities just in case. In the society we live in now, issues like this are a very real concern. The storms that hit Alabama just last week are a clear indication of just how fast our normal day to day routines can be flipped ass over teakettle.
Stockpile. ROTATE STOCK. Keep records. Make sure you have enough. This should be done every day. Not when word is out that shit is about to go down. Because by that point, there will be a zerg-rush by the entire population to obtain the remaining stock.
Keep inventory and keep stock EVERY DAY.
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Drugs, like ammo and fuel, will be a new form of currency and things that will be fought for. Other posters have give excellent advice on potential paths forward. Is this same medication prescribed to animals? If so that might be another option.
As far as a doctor or pharmacist being able to whip something up after a true SHTF scenario kick in, at best that would be a short lived option for pharmaceuticals. Non-traditional treatments might be a more sustainable option at that point.
As far as a doctor or pharmacist being able to whip something up after a true SHTF scenario kick in, at best that would be a short lived option for pharmaceuticals. Non-traditional treatments might be a more sustainable option at that point.
Since you lived Katrina what was your plan and how did it work out?
My wife is handicapped and also on daily meds. She goes to the Dr 4-6 weeks for spine injection and to refill meds. If she was at the end of her meds and disaster hit, to what degree we are cut off would depend on what action I would take. She does have a good supply for most meds refilling on the day she can.
I would go the normal course of contacting a pharmacy, hospital, Drs govt, news, FEMA, neighbors, etc. but if her life came down to it and if I was physically capable to reach any pharmacy, I know exactly what I would do. We have 2 within a mile. Would I be successful cant say until it happened and could this put her life in more peril, well it already is.
Who was there you or me but I always wondered why many residents had to be saved from water from Katrina. I could be wrong but it seemed lime many just waited to be saved instead of doing something, anything to help themselves. Old, feeble and sick I got it but did not any family or friends know about them to help them? Why didn't neighbors meet and plan a strategy? My grandkids live 5 miles away but if at all possible, I would do what it takes to reach them and find out, We do have a plan to meet somewhere since going through our 7.1 earthquake. Most disasters happen with out warning but hurricanes allow days to plan and escape. Again who was there you or me but you asked.
My wife is handicapped and also on daily meds. She goes to the Dr 4-6 weeks for spine injection and to refill meds. If she was at the end of her meds and disaster hit, to what degree we are cut off would depend on what action I would take. She does have a good supply for most meds refilling on the day she can.
I would go the normal course of contacting a pharmacy, hospital, Drs govt, news, FEMA, neighbors, etc. but if her life came down to it and if I was physically capable to reach any pharmacy, I know exactly what I would do. We have 2 within a mile. Would I be successful cant say until it happened and could this put her life in more peril, well it already is.
Who was there you or me but I always wondered why many residents had to be saved from water from Katrina. I could be wrong but it seemed lime many just waited to be saved instead of doing something, anything to help themselves. Old, feeble and sick I got it but did not any family or friends know about them to help them? Why didn't neighbors meet and plan a strategy? My grandkids live 5 miles away but if at all possible, I would do what it takes to reach them and find out, We do have a plan to meet somewhere since going through our 7.1 earthquake. Most disasters happen with out warning but hurricanes allow days to plan and escape. Again who was there you or me but you asked.
If I kept a years supply of insulin on hand, my home and had two refrigerators and a reliable genset fueled by a gas well on the property then I would never tell anyone that because I know that the Authorities would come for my supply once things became desperate.
A lot of things can be acquired at the Farmacia.....
This is why I tried to explain a little of what actually happened. You are talking about New Orleans which flooded because it is below sea level and the pumps were overwhelmed. This is what the media showed everyone. N.O. did get warned to evacuate, and so did the coastline. But much of what I'm talking about was inland from the coast and it wasn't so much water as it was downed trees. Most of those communities are hundreds of years old with live oak trees that are that old. If you've never seen one look it up, they are huge with limbs that curl and hang low to the ground each weighing thousands of pounds by themselves. It was a snarled mess that took thousands of man-hours to clear and I'm not even talking about getting power on.
Long before you are desperate enough to do that they will be cleaned out by junkies and others with no plan.
No, my wife was actually diagnosed the year after Katrina so it wasn't a concern at the time. But it became one when the doc told her about a "slow, agonizing death"
I’ve taken Synthroid for over 25yrs due to thyroid cancer. Synthesizing T4 is not that difficult but it does take some equipment and a rudimentary knowledge of chemistry. Other combined sources (T3&T4) like pig or sheep are also available. Processing any amount of this will yield grams of the stuff and it’s dosed in mcg so will have enough for 5-10yrs with each batch. Neither breakdown chemically so with proper storage it will last a very long time.
Ya thought like your wife does for a long time now.
Ya thought like your wife does for a long time now.
My wife is a Type I diabetic.
OP's question has led us to a fairly decent size stockpile of everything necessary to keep her alive for a while, along with portable means to keep insulin cool.
Given natural disasters and power loss that impact mobility and refrigeration are the two most common types of real-life actual 'disaster' scenarios...both supply and storage are far too easy to mitigate not to.
OP's question has led us to a fairly decent size stockpile of everything necessary to keep her alive for a while, along with portable means to keep insulin cool.
Given natural disasters and power loss that impact mobility and refrigeration are the two most common types of real-life actual 'disaster' scenarios...both supply and storage are far too easy to mitigate not to.
The old saying "Decide to get AGGRESSIVE enough QUICKLY enough" is something that many need to internalize
There are still many manufacturers around that build gas and kerosene powered refrigerators and freezers, for those who need off-grid cooling apparatus.
They are quite reliable, do not use much fuel at all, and the kerosene powered models utilize a standard and widely available Aladdin lamp burner and consume no more fuel than an Aladdin table lamp running at 75% yield.
For starters, here is a good site to look into. They have literature and several LP/CNG gas models. They are on the pricy side but the long term payoff will be substantial. They currently only carry kerosene repair kits but the units can be purchased elsewhere online too.
Lehman's:
They are quite reliable, do not use much fuel at all, and the kerosene powered models utilize a standard and widely available Aladdin lamp burner and consume no more fuel than an Aladdin table lamp running at 75% yield.
For starters, here is a good site to look into. They have literature and several LP/CNG gas models. They are on the pricy side but the long term payoff will be substantial. They currently only carry kerosene repair kits but the units can be purchased elsewhere online too.
Lehman's:
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Most of your RV's, campers, and horse trailers with living quarters have refrigerators that run on LPG.
These are the two leading mfg's
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I'm fortunate enough that I can live without my meds if needed, but in order to do so, it means that I have to prepare a very different stockpile of "survival food" than the standard fare that most people stock.
I'm lucky to be in a healthy body at my age, but think it's do to my mental issues of dealing with some people. Basically no meds, only vitamins.
"Refrigerated".
Once it reaches room temperature, recommendations generally are that it is 'good' for 30 days.
You can find many meds from online underground drug pharmacies. Most come from Europe and China. Best place to check is look on weight lifting forums and underground steroid forums. You’d be surprised what you could find access too. Many of the times it’s much cheaper than you will find her in the US. And then you can store it and stock like as needed.
My family is fortunate enough to not be on any major medication but when ever we are prescribed with anti biotechs or narcos for pain we always stop taking when we are better and try and keep the remaining. It has helped many times from saving us a dr visit.
My family is fortunate enough to not be on any major medication but when ever we are prescribed with anti biotechs or narcos for pain we always stop taking when we are better and try and keep the remaining. It has helped many times from saving us a dr visit.
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That's the kind of info I'm looking for, thank you, kind sir.
NurdRage on YouTube is one of my heroes. Look at the series on Pyrimethamine synthesis.
I suspect a generous donation would get him to do a video on how to synthesize something.
I got my doctor to write a prescription for a extra year's supply. Told her exactly what you said in you post with the fact it was causing me stress. She had no problem writing me a prescription for one year. The only issue is you have to pay out of pocket your insurance will not cover extra meds. I used to take natural brand which is no more than dried thyroid glans from pigs that has been ground up. My doctor hated it and finally convinced me to join the modern world. She was more worried about catching some disease from bad processing than the fact that it was natural. Of course now a lot of drugs are coming out of Pakistan go figure.
We got no real health issue here ( knock on wood ) except the wife take eye drops for control of eye pressure . and we always store several bottles of antibiotics, pain and general Med's. in the fridge, along with the other necessities .
BUT .. From what I witnessed just a couple weeks back over in the N.W. OR. area . I am Quite Positive I don't know exactly what's going to be fuckedUp, but there will be some substantial fuckedup situations if a 'real' catastrophe ever materialized .
There was a couple days with over-sensationalized exaggeration being pumped out of local news media blasting of 'Snowageddon ' coming .
I Shit you not, there was this small population group with 'panic' , small but it was large enough group to make long waiting Gas/fuel lines and long groceries supermarket lines . All that for just a couple inches of SNOW that is came . I thought it was pretty humorous, But for anything majorly real in catastrophe around N.W. , I have no doubt that shit will get sporty to say the least for at least the 1st 72 hrs. of crazy out here . There will be NO getting to the pharmacy for your Med's .
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BUT .. From what I witnessed just a couple weeks back over in the N.W. OR. area . I am Quite Positive I don't know exactly what's going to be fuckedUp, but there will be some substantial fuckedup situations if a 'real' catastrophe ever materialized .
There was a couple days with over-sensationalized exaggeration being pumped out of local news media blasting of 'Snowageddon ' coming .
I Shit you not, there was this small population group with 'panic' , small but it was large enough group to make long waiting Gas/fuel lines and long groceries supermarket lines . All that for just a couple inches of SNOW that is came . I thought it was pretty humorous, But for anything majorly real in catastrophe around N.W. , I have no doubt that shit will get sporty to say the least for at least the 1st 72 hrs. of crazy out here . There will be NO getting to the pharmacy for your Med's .
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Antibiotics is what we will all need eventually. By the time most of us will need them the supplies will be long gone. I stockpile antibiotics from these guys.https://www.thomaslabs.com/category/fish-antibiotics. They are the exact antibiotics people get. The fish thing is just a loophole. Do some research on what antibiotics cure what. Have a Merck manual in hard copy.
The colder it is the longer it will retain full potency, unless frozen then It is good for shit. I set my temp at 34 deg.
That's very interesting. I'm going to run it past the pharmacist that works with us. The main problem I see with stockpiling medicine is it just doesn't last very long.
My daughter is in the same canoe.
I fear the possibility of supplies being cut off but I dont think my wife considers that possibility as much as I do.
We have stuff on hand. A deep enough hole or cool evaporating water will keep things cold enough but mobility and poor hygiene conditions become a part of the problem.
Meds....ah yes, the bane of many.
I am fortunate that my dependence isn't insulin, but I'm afraid my demise may be just as sure.
I've been on BP meds for 36 years, since I was 14. Unfortunately they do have side effects, but they pale in comparison to a stroke.
If the SHTF I figure I have 90 days or less. Lots to do, with little time to do it.
I am fortunate that my dependence isn't insulin, but I'm afraid my demise may be just as sure.
I've been on BP meds for 36 years, since I was 14. Unfortunately they do have side effects, but they pale in comparison to a stroke.
If the SHTF I figure I have 90 days or less. Lots to do, with little time to do it.
refrigeration should not be the hardest part . Dig a hole in the ground in any state and the further down you go the cooler it is and it should stay a steady temp anytime of year probably the reason mother earth news ran so many stories about in the early 80's and so many more before that. even works for homes in a desert build into the ground you would not need ac . just an idea
not to mention there are a lot of medications that you could not all use some plants or herbs to replicate the effects of meds that may or may not be available I defiantly would ask a doctor before its relied on .
sadly test strips and batteries for bp testers could pose a problem , maybe not .
not to mention there are a lot of medications that you could not all use some plants or herbs to replicate the effects of meds that may or may not be available I defiantly would ask a doctor before its relied on .
sadly test strips and batteries for bp testers could pose a problem , maybe not .
Come SHTF, lets say a nuclear missile hit. Oooh people will do things that they thought they will never do to survive. Pictures this:
There's chaos everywhere and the Pharmacies have all been looted and there's no way to get inhaler for you daughter... she has been have short breath, on an off.
You remember you neighbor also has asthma and he probably has a few inhaler in the house. you spoke to him and he has refused to be of any help to you and you daughter...would you:
A. Beat the shit out of your 72yrs old neighbor
B. walk away.
i know a lot of people would say, if i was 72yrs old, and i could help a little girl feel better, i would. but i have met some elderly people that would do some shocking things. So what say you wisemen and women of the HIDE.
There's chaos everywhere and the Pharmacies have all been looted and there's no way to get inhaler for you daughter... she has been have short breath, on an off.
You remember you neighbor also has asthma and he probably has a few inhaler in the house. you spoke to him and he has refused to be of any help to you and you daughter...would you:
A. Beat the shit out of your 72yrs old neighbor
B. walk away.
i know a lot of people would say, if i was 72yrs old, and i could help a little girl feel better, i would. but i have met some elderly people that would do some shocking things. So what say you wisemen and women of the HIDE.
Go to the FEMA camp. I heard they're giving out inhalers. Ask for the Colonel and tell him Fig sent you.
Perfect time to get rid of the burden, the sickly only serve to slowly bring everyone down with them.
I lived in New Orleans during and after Katrina and had a severe health issue at that time in life. It was 3 or 4 months until a pharmacy opened again as best I can recall and there was definitely no medical help available- even when I asked the national guard for it at one point thinking I was going to collapse from pneumonia. I had ended up with bronchitis from all the mold after turning to walking pneumonia since I couldnt get help for it. Trying to get out of town for help kept costing me tires making it near impossible for the first month or so- like 3 at once at one point from roofing nails in the roads you just cant see to drive around. Plenty of insects and diseases not normally seen went through the roof and sanitation and health were bigger threats than bullets by a long shot (I say this even as there were 3 people shot within 30 yards of my front door during it all and I had my share of run ins with thugs as well). For example I had not ever heard of a coffin fly as they only exist in coffins but that whole city became one but they were out in force biting along with a pile of other new ones. Hepatitis everywhere, etc.
Long way of saying sterilization, waste removal, protection from contracting diseases, and medications are just as- if not more important than guns for SHTF. Bleach was a hot commodity in town then for a reason. I had a makeshift camp shower in my regular shower and the very second the water stopped coming down I was covering myself in bug spray. Keeping a large supply of both became a priority. A stockpile of essential meds is critical- you should work with your doctor on that but driving to Mexico and getting a script from a pharmacia legally allows each person coming back over the border a 90 day supply of whatever meds (make sure you pay to have the paper script to show the border guys). Finding similar meds and buying from a cattle and feed store works too. Vacuum seal it and toss it in the freezer for longer shelf life. Stock up on not just things you need now but remedies for whatever common ailments you may be prone to- strep, bronchitis, yeast stuff for the wife, etc. Having some medical reference books and anything else that might be useful couldnt hurt. Ive been toying with loading up a Kindle with everything from medicine, to auto repair, to farming, to communications etc reference books for a SHTF backup if the internet is down long term. They take such little power to run and charge having a tiny library like that seems worthwhile.
Long way of saying sterilization, waste removal, protection from contracting diseases, and medications are just as- if not more important than guns for SHTF. Bleach was a hot commodity in town then for a reason. I had a makeshift camp shower in my regular shower and the very second the water stopped coming down I was covering myself in bug spray. Keeping a large supply of both became a priority. A stockpile of essential meds is critical- you should work with your doctor on that but driving to Mexico and getting a script from a pharmacia legally allows each person coming back over the border a 90 day supply of whatever meds (make sure you pay to have the paper script to show the border guys). Finding similar meds and buying from a cattle and feed store works too. Vacuum seal it and toss it in the freezer for longer shelf life. Stock up on not just things you need now but remedies for whatever common ailments you may be prone to- strep, bronchitis, yeast stuff for the wife, etc. Having some medical reference books and anything else that might be useful couldnt hurt. Ive been toying with loading up a Kindle with everything from medicine, to auto repair, to farming, to communications etc reference books for a SHTF backup if the internet is down long term. They take such little power to run and charge having a tiny library like that seems worthwhile.
Damn dude..
Will probably happen in the event but a little coarse with guys talking about sick wives and kids here.
That is a very good write up and it is filled with essential information that many fail to consider about real SHTF situations. Stuff like this is what makes me glad to have found this site.
Ammo, spare gun parts and food are indeed essential in a disaster scenario but too few people consider what a breakdown of public services would mean for sanitation and health. Garbage trucks and sewer systems transport hundreds of tons of waste products from our communities each day. A lot of people take these services for granted. Just take a walk down any municipal street during a holiday or long weekend when garbage collection services may be suspended for just 1 or 2 days longer, and tell me you cannot smell a difference in the air that you are breathing.
Now envision a catastrophic, long term breakdown of these essential services. It would turn into a nightmare situation in no time. And to make matters worse, it would be a runaway train effect. The lack of essential medications compounded by pile up of waste and sewage will lead to many people dying from illness. And now, with hundreds if not thousands of unburied corpses resulting from illnesses or lawless activity, things will be ripe for plagues and pestilences on a level that we modern humans have yet seen.
Having the best rifle in your hands and the most amount of ammo in your packs is not going to matter when you are literally vomiting and shitting to death. These are the kinds of things we MUST consider while there is time to prepare. Medications and sanitary essentials. A bottle of cheap vodka may be the nastiest for drinking, but in an emergency, it would be a lifesaving antiseptic for wounds and surgical tools.
Good thing you mentioned the Kindle and having digital manuals of emergency prep all ready for access. Make sure you have a good, water resistant pouch to store the device in. I carry my laptop when I drive deliveries and I also have no less than 3 high capacity battery backup packs on me, always fully charged, that will give me at least 30 hours of regular use in the absence of any fixed electrical power.
Well, here is the hard truth. If its a real SHTF, yer kinda screwed.
I Spent time in PR after Maria and also Saipan after Yutu. Unless you already have your stuff with you, there wont be any real way to get new stuff.
So, if yer diabetic, loose weight.
If you have other problems, you may die.
I Spent time in PR after Maria and also Saipan after Yutu. Unless you already have your stuff with you, there wont be any real way to get new stuff.
So, if yer diabetic, loose weight.
If you have other problems, you may die.
Ok, so here's the skinny. Yes, the drugs are the same as what are prescribed to people (according to the label). No, it is not legal for them to sell for animal usage without a prescription from a veterinarian. (USC 353(F). The loophole workaround they may be using is that a "veterinary feed directive drug" which is exempted. Since you basically "feed" the fish the drug, that may be considered the loophole. At any rate, she says basically it's not a big enforcement issue because there are bigger fish to fry....(See what I did there). At any rate, I think this is more for those selling than buying. And, if someone is willing to skirt the law, are you trusting they are selling exactly what they say is in the bottle?
So that said, you have to know what Antibiotic does what for what, and how much to take. This link is to a site that has the drugs, what they are used for in animals and what they are used for in humans, the doses, etc. (go to the one's not marked for animal usage). For instance, type in ampicillin tryhidrate, and it tell you it's usage and 500mgs, 4 times a day.
https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/index.cfm
Bottom line, if you are a person who needs medicines etc., to survive, and it is a confined event, the best thing to do is get out of that area and go to where there are still services, whether that's the next town over or the next state over. I know that's not always easy, but it is the best bet. Oh, and the Kindle will be toast if an EMP goes off, or even if there is no power to charge it. Better off to print it all out and put it in a binder in a waterproof can somewhere.
Outstanding thank you! My idea with these antibiotics has been to store them in case of SHTF. I would never use them to self diagnose and treat unless it was the end of days. I just don’t want me or my family to die from a staph infection. Besides, I might be able to trade antibiotics for women slaves from the forbidden zone afte the collapse.
I'm saving up my antibiotics and toilette paper for a Cherry 2000.
Most Inspirational Desert Warlord
Lester, Cherry 2000
– "We’re counting on you men. Keep the sun out of your eyes and be yourselves."
– "Be friendly yet firm; don’t break anything, especially you."
– "Remember gentlemen: Life is an adventure."
Most Inspirational Desert Warlord
Lester, Cherry 2000
– "We’re counting on you men. Keep the sun out of your eyes and be yourselves."
– "Be friendly yet firm; don’t break anything, especially you."
– "Remember gentlemen: Life is an adventure."
This is why you identify the distribution centers in your city now (if big enough to have one). If you don't have one find the closest one to you. This will be hard as they do not advertise "big drug warehouse here" and they only deliver in unmarked trucks. But you can find them.
Think outside the box . Don't go for the obvious because most everyone else will. Grocery, drugs, liquor and fuel will be the things everyone wants. Be the thinker who is supplied. Then just defend what you have. JMHO
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