Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Coal Dragger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Out of curiosity do 250gr bullets display more accuracy out of the 1:12 twist barrels vs. the 1:10/1:9.4 etc?
I ask because I read somewhere that the best accuracy is usually achieved when a bullet is spun or stabilized just enough to be stable instead of over spun. Could be a load of crap, but then again my Steyr SSG 69 PII has a 1:10 twist barrel and really seems to prefer 168-175gr bullets over any 155gr bullets that I have tried. </div></div>
Same here, dont know.
Still, it seems to be true. BR shooters have used that principle as an rule of thumb for ages already: bullet tends to be most accurate if spin is just enough for stabilization. I guess it has something to do with precession/nutation frequency vs bullet dimensions vs velocity vs spin RPM vs God knows what.
Mild over-stabilization doesent seem to harm any way LR or ELR shooting, but in theory its still not good thing to have.
In practice, I guess its only one factor among many other things- and usually "other things" cause bigger problems- such as accuracy, MV dispersion for various reasons, wind changes in bullets path etc.
Even so, if projectile is "too over-stable" (LOL, sorry, my english!) - bullet nose doesent follow trajectorys tangent anymore and starts to "glide"- or fly "nose up" like
this. What happens in intermediate phase -between optimally stabilized and overstabilized- I dont really have a clue.
Few years back, I ended up to some German company´s pages. They had simulation programs for ideal twist. Idea was that they can calculate optimal twist for various bullet types, twist that offers minimum prec./nut. at desired velocity range- so I guess it can be calculated, in theory atleast.
Good info related to bullet stability is f.e. in Mr Nennstiel´s page For example, interesting analysis about 7.62x51 NATO bullet flight- measured with long-range doppler radar.Bullet starts to loose its stability very far, instability cause
oscillating behavior in velocity.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CoryT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm actually perfectly happy with the 250 Scenar. If you run the numbers using Metro Standard and a 10 MPH 90 degree wind, at 1500 yards there is about .4 MOA differance in the wind call. That amounts to about .09 mil. 1 mph moves the 250 1 MOA and the 300 .9 MOA. To me, that's not so much of an advantage.
Running the BoreTech 245's at 3100, I can reduce the wind drift to.6 MOA for 1 MPH. 10 MPH is 6.3 MOA, or 1.84 Mil, compared to a 300 at 2700 with 9.3 MOA, 2.7 Mil. Now, .9 Mil differance is something that's worth the effort. </div></div>
Cory, you tried Boretechs with 1:12 TRG42? Stable, but accuracy was modest 1.7MOA?
Could you share some details with load, ranges, MV:s etc? Thanks.
Are you familiar with
GS .338 solid, BC 1.122@2850fps ? Not sure if its available in US tho. Related to issue above, GS informs about stability factors in their specs.
Some "translation" help, apparently MSa wrote in a hurry
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MSA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Max velocities (without exceeding 4200bar) I can get with N570
- 250gr Scenar 905m/s
- 300gr Scenar 850m/s</div></div>
905m/s = 2969fps
850m/s = 2788fps
Temp 59F, 1013mbar is 29.9 hg/inch (?)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MSA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
==> 250gr shoots flatter up till 1500m. After then 300gr is flatter shooter.
- at 850m 250gr needs about 50cm less elevation</div></div>
250gr shoots flatter up to 1640yds.
At 930yds, 250gr Scenar needs 19.7" less elevation than 300gr Scenar.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MSA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
==> 300gr has advantage on total wind deflection.
For example with 90degree 3m/s wind at 1500m
==> 50cm difference in total deflection, but this is not the story. the story with wind is how accurately you estimate it right and how much wind estimating error your better bc bullet enables you.
Your target shoulder with is 50cm.
=> for 250gr Scenar you need to estimate your wind to be in 2.78-3.21m/s area to hit this 50cm area. (2.79m/s 297cm - 3.21m/s 346cm)
=> for 300gr Scenar you need to estimate your wind to be in 2.78-3.21m/s area to hit this 50cm area. (2.74m/s 246cm - 3.26m/s 296cm)
MSa </div></div>
With true TRG42 MV:s mentioned, 300gr wind correction advance:
Range 1500meters = 1640yds, target widht 50cm = 19.7", 300gr advance in wind estimation error is 0.1m/s = 0.2mph.
Wind used in calculation, 3m/s = 6.7mph, full value. Total difference in drift 321cm vs 271cm = 126" vs 106".
Flight time to 2000meters = 2 187yds, 250gr = 4.47sec, 300gr = 4.3sec.
As mentioned, calculations made with Quick Target Unlimited, values are based on bullet radar true trajectorys.