Why buy anything other than a PVA John Hancock?

[captain_toad]

Aside from, you know, actually getting your rifle this decade.

The JHR creates such a precipice of value that even significantly more expensive factory guns like the FN SPR, Sako TRG, M24, etc. seem to fall right off. The AI AT appears to be the only logical step up and the Ruger Precision Rifle a logical step down.

Did PVA sieze the middle?

 

[BR7.62]

Seems like there's another rifle in that price range coming out every other month... Or plenty of ways to piece one together for a similar or cheaper amount.
And your first sentence

 

[Precisiondada]

Probably because anyone can piece together something similar without it taking 14 months.

 

[One1Bravo]

Probably because anyone can piece together something similar without it taking 14 months.

Exactly this. Find an in stock action and a gunsmith that's not busy and have it together in less than a month.

 

[spife7980]

Because they arent the only people doing that
https://badrockrifles.com/
https://masterpiecearms.com/shop/mpa-ba-pmr-competition-rifle/

 

[Precisiondada]

Not too mention the new Sniper’s Hide APO rifle...

 

[NovaHunter]

The Seekins Havak Bravo is also right at this price range.

I was remarking to a friend the other day about all the options we have now. Less than 10 years ago, the options were a few production rifles from $600 to $1200 that needed lots of upgrades, or spending $3k plus on a full custom.

All these high quality rifles filling the $2k +/- level is awesome for us shooters.

 

[Srgt. Hulka]

I think PVA put the "Oh Shit" in manufacturers last year at Shot with the John Hancock, and now there are several manufacturers working to help fill the gap that PVA was working to fill. If I remember correctly, there were some manufacturers that even cried foul at the quality and the price of the rifle. So, hopefully PVA gets this worked out real soon and can get more of the JHR out the door.

 

[Afkirby]

$1000 action
$350 stock
$150 trigger
$500 barrel

DIY bolt actions are pretty economical these days

 

[Changed]

I think PVA put the "Oh Shit" in manufacturers last year at Shot with the John Hancock, and now there are several manufacturers working to help fill the gap that PVA was working to fill. If I remember correctly, there were some manufacturers that even cried foul at the quality and the price of the rifle. So, hopefully PVA gets this worked out real soon and can get more of the JHR out the door.

This was the great irony. PVA came out with a solid concept, but seemed woefully underprepared. Other manufacturers/shops caught on to the concept, and were able to bring products to market much faster.

 

[lennyo3034]

Not too mention the new Sniper’s Hide APO rifle...

Doesn’t that use just a factory Remington barreled action? Is it available is 6br/dasher?

There were some other viable options mentioned but I’m not sure that is one of them.

 

[TM6]

This was the great irony. PVA came out with a solid concept, but seemed woefully underprepared. Other manufacturers/shops caught on to the concept, and were able to bring products to market much faster.

Which is good for all of us because competition brings out the best, not only price wise, but also in a better product. One company trying to outdo the other for the business. Win, win.

And some of those companies care enough to call/email back within hours of a request for info or a price quote, even if a full schedule and a family.

TM6

 

[SpeedyR]

Because they arent the only people doing that
https://badrockrifles.com/
https://masterpiecearms.com/shop/mpa-ba-pmr-competition-rifle/

I think that PVA took a leap of faith on the JH and the sales probably reflect that. I am new to the long range game, and have friends that spent a lot of money on R700 builds over the years for their rifles. None shoot "customs" or anything but just nice builds (trued action, aftermarket barrel, chassis, etc).

As I was looking to join them, the John Hancock just stood out as a great value even if you don't plan to do any type of actual PRS shooting. The stock is basic but works great, and PVA has a reputation for solid products so it didn't take much for me to move in that direction (even with the longer time frame).

At the time I ordered mine (Thanksgiving/black friday time frame) the Bad Rock info was out there, but no user feedback. MPA had a system out at the time that was based on a Remington 700 action. Their new rifle with the aftermarket action probably would have gotten my money (they are somewhat local to me as well) if I were doing it again today, but again with no actual rifles in the hands of consumers (or at least from my limited searching) I am still happy with my decision to go with the JH. I'll probably end up with an MPA chassis to go with it and possibly move to a 2 stage trigger (my preference), but that's the joy of having a rifle that's modular. Make it your own!

as others have said, it's a great time to be getting into the sport!

 

[m6z]

The MPA looks like the best value at the moment.

 

[wade2big]

I emailed PVA asking about their Tikka shouldered prefits that showed up on their website on 1/30. I am still waiting on a reply. Maybe I should call. They might answer the phone.

 

[Bender]

LRI

TWO WEEKS TOPS

As good or better than PVA.

PVA Isn’t the only Smith out there.

LRI is probably the fastest top tier builder.

 

[long range sponge]

The only "benefit" I see in a JHR is the swappable bolt heads. Some feel it necessary, others not so much. Doesn't eliminate the option of building one yourself for around the same price in a much shorter time frame.