Ask and ye shall receive.Where's the pics of this thing?
A.R.M.S #22 rings are on backorder, so yeah...
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Ask and ye shall receive.Where's the pics of this thing?
18 SPR Mk. 262 2750fps mv, sea level SA16" vs. 18" = free velocity, which increases effective range.
It’s a 100% of the time weight/length penalty for no real practical ballistic gain over the shorter guns.
And looks cool, 15.1" barrel? What NF? I am debating cutting my BA barrel or just order one. Nice rifle. Lot of open real-estate tooI think that’s why the “mini recce” concept is becoming so popular. You get most of the performance without many of the down sides. With modern LPVOs and good bullets, the short guns are surprisingly capable while still being convenient.
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Thanks! It’s a Wilson combat 11.3” barrel. Scope is a nightforce nx8.And looks cool, 15.1" barrel? What NF? I am debating cutting my BA barrel or just order one. Nice rifle. Lot of open real-estate too
still my favorite looking stick in this thread and says a lot as they are all great looking!Mod H is the only clone I kept. Probably never part with it. View attachment 7565994
18 SPR Mk. 262 2750fps mv, sea level SA
325yds 2057fps 724ft-lbs......... 1.3 mils drop/ .9 Mils drift (for full value 10mph)
600yds 1503fps 386ft-lbs.........4.4 Mils drop/ 1.9 Mils drift
(9mm muzzle energy is anywhere from 295-500ft-lbs at the muzzle, most are in the mid-350ft-lbs region.)
16” Recce 2700fps mv, same load/conditions
325yds 1974fps 666ft-lbs........... 1.5 Mils drop/ .9 Mils drift
600yds 1469fps 369ft-lbs.......... 4.8 Mils drop/ 2 Mils drift
14.5” SOPMOD Block II 2633fps mv, same load/conditions
325yds 1918fps 629ft-lbs...........1.6 Mils drop/ 1 Mil drift
600yds 1426fps 348ft-lbs.......... 5.1 Mils drop/ 2 Mils drift
You start to see why guys stopped taking the SPRs outside the wire and just going with Block II SOPMOD with a good trigger, optics, and can.
18” SPR is great for shooting suppressed/prone/bipod supported, or tripod-supported in urban hide.
It’s a 100% of the time weight/length penalty for no real practical ballistic gain over the shorter guns.
I notice a handling under recoil advantage to a RLGS suppressed 18” SPR vs a CLGS SOPMOD suppressed for sure though. ILGS or correctly ported and tuned MLGS 16” or 14.5” can be made to perform really close as far as cyclic rate and recoil/muzzle climb.
The 18” SPR is great for learning on for new shooters to intermediate/long range if they don’t have any experience with wind-reading, even better than .308 since you can spot your own hits and the BC is so low that you really need to read and hold for wind to get hits.
If the wind conditions are around 10mph or higher, it’s hard to hear or see your impacts even at 450yds, unless you have really lightweight/smaller plates that will move. Most here know how anemic 9mm is at moving plates at close range, so you have to be able to perceive those hits at distance when you make them. In calm wind conditions, you can hear the impacts quite clearly even out to 600yds, but those times are extremely rare.
Short story is 5.56 even with 77gr just doesn’t retain a lot of energy once you get out beyond 200-300yds, load/barrel length dependent.
Both are great. Go for the better deal.Would a PRI or High Caliber MK12 Mod0 be a better way to go?
I will still say that the 18” SPR suppressed is one of the most pleasant AR-15 set-ups to shoot from the prone/bipod-supported, as well as tripod-supported positions. It’s just not as pleasant to carry as a 14.5” SOPMOD Block II or 10.25” CQBR-equipped shorty.Im not sure why you have to come in here with all your factual information causing heartburn for my emotional bias towards MK12s and MK18s. Rude I’d say.
Same I sold my MK12 Mod 1 and have been regretting it since. I never got an AEM5 but given that i dropped an absurd amount on a FA762SS for an XM3 clone the AEM5 looks hella cheap right now as far as building clones. The only negative about it to me was how heavy it was for an 18" rig it was just unwieldy. Extremely fun to shoot either way. But yeah I really miss that rifle.I have sold custom bolt guns, an AI, a couple ARs, and the only one of them all the regret selling was a clone correct MK12MOD1.
Thing was stupid accurate. 3/3 at 650yards
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Yes it was a pig, bud man was she accurate for a 223 gasser. The 2.5-10x24 was less than ideal in my opinion for it, so I upgraded to a MK6 3-18 and I felt the 3-18 served it a lot better than the 2.5-10.
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I was today years old when i found out there was a Mod H and it's now on the to build list. I think I'm going to do a Mod H and put a 2.5-10 credo on it. What does your Mod H weigh out of curiosity?Mod H is the only clone I kept. Probably never part with it. View attachment 7565994
She's just about in final configuration. Got the lower back from cerakote today. Graphite black was the correct choice. Sinner Mass Fabrications in San Antonio, TX. Great group there.
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I'm still waiting for ARMS 22 rings I ordered back in like February. The Leupold I have in there is OK, but the reticle stadia are a bit too thick for my liking (VX-Freedom AR 3-9x40 Tri-Mil red FireDot). May need to get a mo-betta optic. Not gonna go full clone but probably the NF NXS 2.5-10x32 Mil-R.Looks great. I had to go with higher rings to get a good cheek weld. Used a 22MOA badger riser and .88 Badgers with the M3 and the 32mm NCS and use 1.3” Nightforce with the 24mm NXS.
I'm still waiting for ARMS 22 rings I ordered back in like February. The Leupold I have in there is OK, but the reticle stadia are a bit too thick for my liking (VX-Freedom AR 3-9x40 Tri-Mil red FireDot). May need to get a mo-betta optic. Not gonna go full clone but probably the NF NXS 2.5-10x32 Mil-R.
where did you order the rings from?I'm still waiting for ARMS 22 rings I ordered back in like February. The Leupold I have in there is OK, but the reticle stadia are a bit too thick for my liking (VX-Freedom AR 3-9x40 Tri-Mil red FireDot). May need to get a mo-betta optic. Not gonna go full clone but probably the NF NXS 2.5-10x32 Mil-R.
Mounting Solutions Pluswhere did you order the rings from?
shit, ordered a set of mediums this weeked. Showed in stock too. I need to call to see if they have a set of medium NF rings. I'll just use that on my Mod H and move my 22s over to my Mod 0 build.Mounting Solutions Plus
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U.S. Tactical Supply.
Both showed in stock at time of order. A day after I ordered, got email saying, it was an inventory slip-up and it's on backorder
Short story is 5.56 even with 77gr just doesn’t retain a lot of energy once you get out beyond 200-300yds, load/barrel length dependent.
I count on a CCW pistol to put someone down with a rapid 3-7rd string dumped into them within a few seconds, whereas with a single round they might not even notice. If you can run the trigger/sight picture on a partially-exposed person at 500-600yds with an SPR, sure. I can do that on full-sized IPSC sils, but it gets pretty difficult to do it on partial exposures. Now if the partial exposure is the head, then a single or double should do the trick. Barriers and solid anchors on people past 200-300 are where it struggles. Within those distances, 5.56 is proven.Eh going by napkin math at 500-600 you still have around the same or more energy as your typical CCW pistol and tons of people trust their lives to those. Agreed on everything else which is why I sold both of mine, ended up with 2900 bucks in my pocket and still have a 16" 223 that is a great plinker at the same distances.
Well that is terrible news. First the FA762SS and now this.Yup, he's retiring. I believe he said he'll be dropping full production but will service, fix, and repair anything in-use or in-service.
Good. I AEM-5...s/n is between 170 and 200... in jail.Yup, he's retiring. I believe he said he'll be dropping full production but will service, fix, and repair anything in-use or in-service.
Why is that good? Less someone else buys the design?Good. I AEM-5...s/n is between 170 and 200... in jail.
I'm just glad the original manufacturer will provide repair if needed.Why is that good? Less someone else buys the design?
Oh I took it as you were happy about the retiring and I was sitting here going "huh?"I'm just glad the original manufacturer will provide repair if needed.
Even without ear pro, under a corrugated metal roof.... everyone else on the line couldn't believe it.Not bad for 20 year old tech huh. Sometimes the new hotness is just new hotness.
you’ll find it is extremely repeatable as well.
Even without ear pro, under a corrugated metal roof.... everyone else on the line couldn't believe it.
I'm at 7.5-8 turns. And yeah the supersonic crack is the only thing that stings for a few shots.The sonic crack of my 77s still sting my ear the first few shots but nothing can stop that. I often wonder if this can in Ti would improve it but ultimately I think it would I probably just be lighter.
Per Ron, try to get at least 7 full turns of tightness. Most barrels only allows 2.5-4 turns. He advised to go 7-10 turns if you can. (We profile our own blanks). I had Tim adjust my collar shoulder to accommodate 7 - 10 turns on each barrel after that . That said, I shot probably 1000 rounds through an 18” and a 20” with just 2-3 turn until it was right and I never had a problem, but hat was range queen shit not any two way stuff.
Call Capitol Armory. I emailed them Friday night after a member at ARF told me he pre-purchased one and Jorge called me yesterday. You have to pay all up front but they should be in by the end of the summer. I talked to Ron after hearing about his retiring, because I wanted to know if the cans were going to become unobtainable like the surefire FA762SS was. He said no they are not going away anytime soon that you should be able to get one in the next 2-3 months.How?
That being said, I agree that the Mk12 is iconic but with the caveat that it’s iconic amongst veterans, somewhat aged long range enthusiasts and the ARFcom mall ninjas. Ie, not iconic within GenPop.
Is that a HYDRA-MATIC from Atomic Engraving?Not bad for 20 year old tech huh. Sometimes the new hotness is just new hotness.
you’ll find it is extremely repeatable as well.