Someone please help me here!!....Are all Nightforce scopes made in Japan? If they are have they always been made there? I thought these were made here in the USA. Any info on this situation will help me sleep at night. I just purchased a new 3.5-15x50 (as in received it tuesday). I'm waiting on rings and mounts. Everytime I get it out to look thru it and see where all my money went, i see "made in Japan" which sorta ruins the experience. Clifford44
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Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
As you're typing on a computer made in Japan among other things.
As you're typing on a computer made in Japan among other things.
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
but the real ones are US made...so you obviously got a worthless fake...just to be a good guy I'll take it off your hands now for $300, just so you dont loose it all..
but the real ones are US made...so you obviously got a worthless fake...just to be a good guy I'll take it off your hands now for $300, just so you dont loose it all..
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
thank you. i guess they are still just as good as i was told they are???
thank you. i guess they are still just as good as i was told they are???
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clifford44</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Someone please help me here!!....Are all Nightforce scopes made in Japan? If they are have they always been made there? I thought these were made here in the USA. Any info on this situation will help me sleep at night. I just purchased a new 3.5-15x50 (as in received it tuesday). I'm waiting on rings and mounts. Everytime I get it out to look thru it and see where all my money went, i see "made in Japan" which sorta ruins the experience. Clifford44 </div></div>
Yes, NF is made in Japan; as is Sightron, and Bushnell Elites, some Burris, et al. Leupold has also long used glass sourced from Japan, and "other" locations.
IOR's glass is German, ditto Ziess, Swarowski and S&B; no suprises there.
Welcome to the Global Market, and the 21 century. We make not like it, but there it is....
Bob
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clifford44</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Someone please help me here!!....Are all Nightforce scopes made in Japan? If they are have they always been made there? I thought these were made here in the USA. Any info on this situation will help me sleep at night. I just purchased a new 3.5-15x50 (as in received it tuesday). I'm waiting on rings and mounts. Everytime I get it out to look thru it and see where all my money went, i see "made in Japan" which sorta ruins the experience. Clifford44 </div></div>
Yes, NF is made in Japan; as is Sightron, and Bushnell Elites, some Burris, et al. Leupold has also long used glass sourced from Japan, and "other" locations.
IOR's glass is German, ditto Ziess, Swarowski and S&B; no suprises there.
Welcome to the Global Market, and the 21 century. We make not like it, but there it is....
Bob
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
you know for such a small country, they sure do make a lot of things...no wonder we have record unemployment, the Japanese make everything in the world on that little island including my Dell laptop I'm sure. What do we do about this?
you know for such a small country, they sure do make a lot of things...no wonder we have record unemployment, the Japanese make everything in the world on that little island including my Dell laptop I'm sure. What do we do about this?
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
the only two scopes that are US made that I know of are, ....
leupold, but made w/ chink parts..reviews of late are not so stellar
and USO...great scopes, bring your checkbook and a snickers
the only two scopes that are US made that I know of are, ....
leupold, but made w/ chink parts..reviews of late are not so stellar
and USO...great scopes, bring your checkbook and a snickers
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
Yep, made in Japan. Just like BobinNC's list, like quite a few others (which should also include Horus). Ewoaf's offer was nice for the $300, but since I also heard that every time you look through a scope made in Japan...God kills a kitten and increases the rate of both global warming and the expansion of Al Gore's ego...I will do the honorable thing and offer $400 cash to you for your Japanese-made, evil Nightforce NXS scope!
Yep, made in Japan. Just like BobinNC's list, like quite a few others (which should also include Horus). Ewoaf's offer was nice for the $300, but since I also heard that every time you look through a scope made in Japan...God kills a kitten and increases the rate of both global warming and the expansion of Al Gore's ego...I will do the honorable thing and offer $400 cash to you for your Japanese-made, evil Nightforce NXS scope!
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
The Nightforce FFP Model, the F1 is Made in the USA...
The Nightforce FFP Model, the F1 is Made in the USA...
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
ewoaf, i'm ordering bases and rings today or tomorrow. as soon as i get it put together i'll report how the "fake NXS" performs. It's going on a Rem. LTR .308 with a SWEET trigger job. I can't wait to try it out. Now if I could only afford to buy some ammo. hmmmm do the japanese make ammo too?
ewoaf, i'm ordering bases and rings today or tomorrow. as soon as i get it put together i'll report how the "fake NXS" performs. It's going on a Rem. LTR .308 with a SWEET trigger job. I can't wait to try it out. Now if I could only afford to buy some ammo. hmmmm do the japanese make ammo too?
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
let him keep the scope a-train.....ewoaf hates kittens
let him keep the scope a-train.....ewoaf hates kittens
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
Cliff,
Good luck with your NF & Remi combo...should be absolutely great. I applaud your desire to support a made in the USA product, but I'd be dumbstruck if you didn't end up ecstatic over your NF. For the little it's worth, I've garnered some comfort from looking up the amount of USA products that are imported INTO Japan, which although the balance is far from even, it is a country that actually trades (as in both ways...the last 3 years have had a slow, but progressive increase in total yen of US imports) with the USA. Good shooting!
Cliff,
Good luck with your NF & Remi combo...should be absolutely great. I applaud your desire to support a made in the USA product, but I'd be dumbstruck if you didn't end up ecstatic over your NF. For the little it's worth, I've garnered some comfort from looking up the amount of USA products that are imported INTO Japan, which although the balance is far from even, it is a country that actually trades (as in both ways...the last 3 years have had a slow, but progressive increase in total yen of US imports) with the USA. Good shooting!
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ewoaf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">let him keep the scope a-train.....ewoaf hates kittens</div></div>
That's hilarious! -A
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ewoaf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">let him keep the scope a-train.....ewoaf hates kittens</div></div>
That's hilarious! -A
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
ok guys, here's a curve ball for all the experts. If the NF is even close to what I've heard it is and it's made in japan.....
where does this put my springfield armory 4-14x56 that is..you guessed it MADE IN JAPAN! it is factory compensated for a 168 gr. .308, has range marked out to 1000 yards (based on 168 gr bullet drop), has an internal level bubble...yada yada yada and I took it OFF the LTR for a Jap NF 3.5-15x50. Does anyone have a psychology degree that can help me explain this to myself???
ok guys, here's a curve ball for all the experts. If the NF is even close to what I've heard it is and it's made in japan.....
where does this put my springfield armory 4-14x56 that is..you guessed it MADE IN JAPAN! it is factory compensated for a 168 gr. .308, has range marked out to 1000 yards (based on 168 gr bullet drop), has an internal level bubble...yada yada yada and I took it OFF the LTR for a Jap NF 3.5-15x50. Does anyone have a psychology degree that can help me explain this to myself???
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
Sure,
Nissan Sentras are made in Japan...
So are Acura NSXs...
Sure,
Nissan Sentras are made in Japan...
So are Acura NSXs...
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
We went over this at AR15.com recently and Bill sent me this to post as he was busy so it might help here also:
"It's no secret that the original lineup of NF scopes are marked "Made in Japan". While there are subcomponents in these scopes made in Japan, all assembly, quality control, reticle installation, servicing and warranty take place in Idaho. Japan isn't in the equation in the unlikely event you have an issue. The F1 and Compact scopes are made in the US. Nightforce is up front and doesn't try to hide this. There are other scope manufacturers who like their customers to think they are made in the USA by placing their name and address on the scope-this does not mean it's "Made in the USA".
Japan is considered the #2 glass manufacturer in the world and it isn't to be ashamed of. Everybody likes to refer to Schott glass as #1 but they make different grades of glass too. Something most people don't pay any mind to is that a lot of European scope manufacturers are now outsourcing their glass to Japan.
I find it funny (not directed at anybody in particular) that you have customers who have no problems buying something out of Europe-but if anything is made in Japan it's automatically suspect even with a well proven track record for some companies such as NF."
We went over this at AR15.com recently and Bill sent me this to post as he was busy so it might help here also:
"It's no secret that the original lineup of NF scopes are marked "Made in Japan". While there are subcomponents in these scopes made in Japan, all assembly, quality control, reticle installation, servicing and warranty take place in Idaho. Japan isn't in the equation in the unlikely event you have an issue. The F1 and Compact scopes are made in the US. Nightforce is up front and doesn't try to hide this. There are other scope manufacturers who like their customers to think they are made in the USA by placing their name and address on the scope-this does not mean it's "Made in the USA".
Japan is considered the #2 glass manufacturer in the world and it isn't to be ashamed of. Everybody likes to refer to Schott glass as #1 but they make different grades of glass too. Something most people don't pay any mind to is that a lot of European scope manufacturers are now outsourcing their glass to Japan.
I find it funny (not directed at anybody in particular) that you have customers who have no problems buying something out of Europe-but if anything is made in Japan it's automatically suspect even with a well proven track record for some companies such as NF."
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
Ok, i can buy into most of the japanese part. where does the springfield armory scope fall into all this? i've always heard complaints that the glass wasn't on par with the euro scopes, leupolds, etc. i haven't heard much at all as far as the quality of this scope being suspect. i know the NF is going on my 308 LTR, should the springfield scope go ebay??
Ok, i can buy into most of the japanese part. where does the springfield armory scope fall into all this? i've always heard complaints that the glass wasn't on par with the euro scopes, leupolds, etc. i haven't heard much at all as far as the quality of this scope being suspect. i know the NF is going on my 308 LTR, should the springfield scope go ebay??
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
for a small reasonable fee i will. does this mean it might be a decent scope after all?
for a small reasonable fee i will. does this mean it might be a decent scope after all?
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
My experience with a Springfield scope was not favorable,
although there Customer service department was courteous and "tried" to make it right....
My experience with a Springfield scope was not favorable,
although there Customer service department was courteous and "tried" to make it right....
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
Hell...I'll give ya a Super Sniper, $300, and some Doublemint gum for that thing.
Final offer...
Hell...I'll give ya a Super Sniper, $300, and some Doublemint gum for that thing.
Final offer...
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bgold</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hell...I'll give ya a Super Sniper, $300, and some Doublemint gum for that thing.
Final offer... </div></div>
If ya mean the Springfield it was sold here many moons ago to fund a nicer scope...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bgold</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hell...I'll give ya a Super Sniper, $300, and some Doublemint gum for that thing.
Final offer... </div></div>
If ya mean the Springfield it was sold here many moons ago to fund a nicer scope...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ewoaf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the only two scopes that are US made that I know of are, ....
leupold, but made w/ chink parts..reviews of late are not so stellar
and USO...great scopes, bring your checkbook and a snickers </div></div>
How about Premier then??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ewoaf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the only two scopes that are US made that I know of are, ....
leupold, but made w/ chink parts..reviews of late are not so stellar
and USO...great scopes, bring your checkbook and a snickers </div></div>
How about Premier then??
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As you're typing on a computer made in Japan among other things. </div></div>
You guys can DREAM about computers made in Japan!! Check your computer label again--I'm betting Malaysia...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As you're typing on a computer made in Japan among other things. </div></div>
You guys can DREAM about computers made in Japan!! Check your computer label again--I'm betting Malaysia...
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
You can also dream about Nissan Sentra's made in Japan! They are made here!!
You can also dream about Nissan Sentra's made in Japan! They are made here!!
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
So are alot of Hondas.
People get way too hung up on where the product was made. As long as it's a quality product, like Nightforce, it shouldn't matter. Also different levels of production go on in all countries. Not one country puts out only top of the line products of any type. They all have different levels so worry less about where it or it's components were made and more about how it performs.
Bottom line is Nightforce makes one hell of a scope whether it was made here, Japan or the surface of the moon.
So are alot of Hondas.
People get way too hung up on where the product was made. As long as it's a quality product, like Nightforce, it shouldn't matter. Also different levels of production go on in all countries. Not one country puts out only top of the line products of any type. They all have different levels so worry less about where it or it's components were made and more about how it performs.
Bottom line is Nightforce makes one hell of a scope whether it was made here, Japan or the surface of the moon.
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Chopperguy, tell me about the Super Sniper and if you are serious. Also are we talking about $300 American (not rubles, etc.)I do have a set of Leupold rings and bases that will go with it, but I might need a tad bit (not much) over $300. The main question and what could be a deal killer......what flavor is the Doublemint and how much of it are you willing to come off of?
Let me know if you are at all serious about your offer or if it was just a jab at me....I'm always interesting in trading, plus I do need to sell the scope. Obviously it isn't up to par with NF, S&B, etc. but I have never had a single issue with the scope. Once sighted in, it stays sighted, has a great, clear reticle, and it's really cool how they set it up for the 168 gr as well as these hash marks and many others that can actually be used to measure (or give reference) at all distances up to 100 yds! Thanks for ALL the input and opinions I got here
Chopperguy, tell me about the Super Sniper and if you are serious. Also are we talking about $300 American (not rubles, etc.)I do have a set of Leupold rings and bases that will go with it, but I might need a tad bit (not much) over $300. The main question and what could be a deal killer......what flavor is the Doublemint and how much of it are you willing to come off of?
Let me know if you are at all serious about your offer or if it was just a jab at me....I'm always interesting in trading, plus I do need to sell the scope. Obviously it isn't up to par with NF, S&B, etc. but I have never had a single issue with the scope. Once sighted in, it stays sighted, has a great, clear reticle, and it's really cool how they set it up for the 168 gr as well as these hash marks and many others that can actually be used to measure (or give reference) at all distances up to 100 yds! Thanks for ALL the input and opinions I got here
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
The nightforce NXS series has proven to be one of the best.
Regardless of its birth place it has a proven track record of quailty and the glass is supurb. I rather not look at where the scope is made but rather how the scope performes. If Japan is where its made then to bad someone here wasn't able to build the same quality at there price. Truth is I don't care where it is made as long as its not China, Iran, North Korea, Egypt, Africa.
The nightforce NXS series has proven to be one of the best.
Regardless of its birth place it has a proven track record of quailty and the glass is supurb. I rather not look at where the scope is made but rather how the scope performes. If Japan is where its made then to bad someone here wasn't able to build the same quality at there price. Truth is I don't care where it is made as long as its not China, Iran, North Korea, Egypt, Africa.
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
NF gets a pass for overseas manufacturing, its Leupold you're supposed to be complaining about for outsourcing.
NF gets a pass for overseas manufacturing, its Leupold you're supposed to be complaining about for outsourcing.
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clifford44</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Chopperguy, tell me about the Super Sniper and if you are serious. Also are we talking about $300 American (not rubles, etc.)I do have a set of Leupold rings and bases that will go with it, but I might need a tad bit (not much) over $300. The main question and what could be a deal killer......what flavor is the Doublemint and how much of it are you willing to come off of?
Let me know if you are at all serious about your offer or if it was just a jab at me....I'm always interesting in trading, plus I do need to sell the scope. Obviously it isn't up to par with NF, S&B, etc. but I have never had a single issue with the scope. Once sighted in, it stays sighted, has a great, clear reticle, and it's really cool how they set it up for the 168 gr as well as these hash marks and many others that can actually be used to measure (or give reference) at all distances up to 100 yds! Thanks for ALL the input and opinions I got here </div></div>
I think there is a misunderstanding,
I was responding to Bgold......
I don't have a Super Sniper, nor do I need one....
My original response was about the Springfield scope...
I got one that would not come into focus beyond 200 yards...
I sent it back and the customer service was good, they sent it back "fixed" within 10 days, but I couldn't tell a difference...
So I sold it locally... (so they knew what they were getting)
I live at around 7000 ft elevation, I have wondered if that had any effect on the scope....
I do have a Falcon Menace and must say I am impressed with it, especially for $390 shipped....
I would offer to trade you this one, but I promised it to an old Navy buddy of mine...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clifford44</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Chopperguy, tell me about the Super Sniper and if you are serious. Also are we talking about $300 American (not rubles, etc.)I do have a set of Leupold rings and bases that will go with it, but I might need a tad bit (not much) over $300. The main question and what could be a deal killer......what flavor is the Doublemint and how much of it are you willing to come off of?
Let me know if you are at all serious about your offer or if it was just a jab at me....I'm always interesting in trading, plus I do need to sell the scope. Obviously it isn't up to par with NF, S&B, etc. but I have never had a single issue with the scope. Once sighted in, it stays sighted, has a great, clear reticle, and it's really cool how they set it up for the 168 gr as well as these hash marks and many others that can actually be used to measure (or give reference) at all distances up to 100 yds! Thanks for ALL the input and opinions I got here </div></div>
I think there is a misunderstanding,
I was responding to Bgold......
I don't have a Super Sniper, nor do I need one....
My original response was about the Springfield scope...
I got one that would not come into focus beyond 200 yards...
I sent it back and the customer service was good, they sent it back "fixed" within 10 days, but I couldn't tell a difference...
So I sold it locally... (so they knew what they were getting)
I live at around 7000 ft elevation, I have wondered if that had any effect on the scope....
I do have a Falcon Menace and must say I am impressed with it, especially for $390 shipped....
I would offer to trade you this one, but I promised it to an old Navy buddy of mine...
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
To the OP, why is this a problem? NFs parent company isn't even American. They don't go and hide this fact, compared to other US based companies that buy from other countries that are known to make crap and pass it off to the American consumer as "All American"
To the OP, why is this a problem? NFs parent company isn't even American. They don't go and hide this fact, compared to other US based companies that buy from other countries that are known to make crap and pass it off to the American consumer as "All American"
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
because the "nips" do it better than the "necks".
and for less money.. no fucking unions..
because the "nips" do it better than the "necks".
and for less money.. no fucking unions..
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: koolnhard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">because the "nips" do it better than the "necks".
and for less money.. no fucking unions.. </div></div>
Might want to double check that one. Japan has a large percentage of union workers, maybe one of the largest in the world.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: koolnhard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">because the "nips" do it better than the "necks".
and for less money.. no fucking unions.. </div></div>
Might want to double check that one. Japan has a large percentage of union workers, maybe one of the largest in the world.
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MWDG3</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: koolnhard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">because the "nips" do it better than the "necks".
and for less money.. no fucking unions.. </div></div>
Might want to double check that one. Japan has a large percentage of union workers, maybe one of the largest in the world. </div></div>
No UNION workers at their factories in the US.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MWDG3</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: koolnhard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">because the "nips" do it better than the "necks".
and for less money.. no fucking unions.. </div></div>
Might want to double check that one. Japan has a large percentage of union workers, maybe one of the largest in the world. </div></div>
No UNION workers at their factories in the US.
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
Most(all?) top glass comes from Germany or Japan. The fact that a top scope is assembled in the US but the important components are sourced outside the US is what should concern Americans. Other countries now have the best, most advanced optics and we just do the assembly? Where are our top optical factories producing the world's best glass? This is what should concern people. Who cares whether the lower skill job of assembly is done in the US?
Most(all?) top glass comes from Germany or Japan. The fact that a top scope is assembled in the US but the important components are sourced outside the US is what should concern Americans. Other countries now have the best, most advanced optics and we just do the assembly? Where are our top optical factories producing the world's best glass? This is what should concern people. Who cares whether the lower skill job of assembly is done in the US?
Re: WHY does m new NF NXS 3.3-15x50 say "made in japan
Where good glass comes from has a LOT more factors than just laborers.
Where good glass comes from has a LOT more factors than just laborers.
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