Why go 6mm creedmoor/XC over 243?

[Onemoretime]

Re: Why go 6mm creedmoor/XC over 243?

I'm going 6x47 lapua.... only because I was able to get an already chambered brand new barrel.

 

[steve123]

Re: Why go 6mm creedmoor/XC over 243?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Onemoretime</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm going 6x47 lapua.... only because I was able to get an already chambered brand new barrel. </div></div>

You'll be plenty happy with it.

One word of advice, create a false shoulder on the first firing, it aids in the brass forming strait.

After trying a set for another cartridge these dies are among my favorite now.

http://www.forsterproducts.com/catalog.asp?prodid=757252&showprevnext=1

 

[downhill]

Re: Why go 6mm creedmoor/XC over 243?

Man, back and forth. All three run the same bullet at roughly the same velocity. The two newer ones do the same thing as the older one. As for barrel life-all three funnel a lot of burning gas through a 6mm hole. Personally I went with the 243 just for easy access to brass. Never been one to fall into the next "do it better fad".

 

[AMMOWASTER]

Re: Why go 6mm creedmoor/XC over 243?

I really do appreciate all the input guys. Bottom line is they will all do what I need so I just need to pick and move on.

Time to start saving money

 

[Engine 22]

Re: Why go 6mm creedmoor/XC over 243?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like the old .243. Does everything I need it to do and is very accurate.</div></div>
I have to go with Rob on this one. I should be picking up my rifle from Moon tomorrow...... in .243.

 

[Casey Simpson]

Re: Why go 6mm creedmoor/XC over 243?


6mm Remington is simply ignored for no reason, therefore, cases are available. Buy Remington cases and shoot them. If the gun is built right they'll shoot good enough. If Winchester brand 6mm Remington cases are available, use them. Dies are inexpensive too.

243 Win. Adequate cases available. Dies inexpensive.

6XC Fine cases (Norma) available. Dies expensive, but only a one time expense. Proven winner of numerous matches.

Flip a coin or go with your gut.

 

[Rob01]

Re: Why go 6mm creedmoor/XC over 243?

6mm Rem needs a long action. That's probably why people don't use it.

.243 has won plenty of matches as well. I shoot it because it's cheap for brass, easy in that there is no special forming needed and it just works. I don't like expensive or overly complicated cartridges that are supposed to take care of "problems" with cases like the .243, which I have never seen. Maybe I am lucky or maybe too much is made on the internet of the so called problems.

 

[E. Bryant]

Re: Why go 6mm creedmoor/XC over 243?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe I am lucky or maybe too much is made on the internet of the so called problems.</div></div>

This sums up the way I feel about many of the "new and improved" cartridges. Frankly, it appears that a new cartridge is invented first because it can be done, and then the justification follows. Sometimes, that justification is pretty damn weak, and relates to crap like the appearance of the cartridge. I'd prefer to save conversations about aesthetics for areas where it matters - such as cars, architecture, and women.

Things like "efficiency" and barrel life are all fine and good, but if these gains require me to increase the amount of time I spent at the reloading bench or scouring the 'net for rare brass, then I'm losing more money than I'm gaining by wasting my valuable time (at my typical hourly rate for contract services, it doesn't take but minutes to piss away whatever I've saved by increasing barrel life by 10% or saving a few grains of powder with each round).

Anyways, good ol' .243 Win still works for me. It is capable of launching a wide variety of projectiles with acceptable performance, and doing so while not requiring a lot of fussing with components.

 

[downhill]

Re: Why go 6mm creedmoor/XC over 243?

E.Bryant-well spoken sir.

 

[JGorski]

Re: Why go 6mm creedmoor/XC over 243?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">6mm Rem needs a long action. That's probably why people don't use it.

.243 has won plenty of matches as well. I shoot it because it's cheap for brass, easy in that there is no special forming needed and it just works. I don't like expensive or overly complicated cartridges that are supposed to take care of "problems" with cases like the .243, which I have never seen. Maybe I am lucky or maybe too much is made on the internet of the so called problems. </div></div>

Rob, this is my 6mmREM, Does it look like a long action? It does have a long throat and it has .010" expansion in the neck, so when I load some VLDs and have to pull that shell out with the bullet intact I do have to push the bolt release and take it out the back, a shorter throat would solve that, of course.

 

[Rob01]

Re: Why go 6mm creedmoor/XC over 243?

When I did a search looking to get info on it to see why it came up as a long action caliber and that would make it difficult to use for mags. If its short action then its another option. My post on it was wrong.

 

[Graham]

Re: Why go 6mm creedmoor/XC over 243?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My post on it was wrong.</div></div>Don't sweat it, Rob. I remember being wrong once: When I thought I was mistaken, but as it turned-out I was right.

 

[Rob01]

Re: Why go 6mm creedmoor/XC over 243?

Thanks Graham. It usually only happens once a year so I was just getting it out of the way for 2013.

 

[sobrbiker883]

Re: Why go 6mm creedmoor/XC over 243?

Indian over arrow.

 

[sandwarrior]

Re: Why go 6mm creedmoor/XC over 243?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When I did a search looking to get info on it to see why it came up as a long action caliber and that would make it difficult to use for mags. If its short action then its another option. My post on it was wrong. </div></div>

You ain't wrong. The 6mm Rem and every other Mauser based case is a pain in the ass in a short action.

Casey, that is specifically why the 6mm Remington gets ignored. Not because it isn't a step up from the .243. It is. But rather, Remington never seems to care when they have something right or wrong. Or, how the public (who buys their rifles) is going to do what with it. Remington's marketing department is a "head in the sand" operation at best.

On a side note, I've yet to see an Indian shoot a crooked arrow straight with a warped bow. The straighter the arrow and bow the better the potential of the shot.

 

[AMMOWASTER]

Re: Why go 6mm creedmoor/XC over 243?

If you have to take the bolt out to extract a loaded round then that sure sounds like it would be better suited in a long action. I would only be shooting the longer target bullets like the DTAC anyway and I was under the same impression as Rob.

6mm came as a short action from the factory but they also used a lot of lightweight varmint bullets

 

[Diablo]

Re: Why go 6mm creedmoor/XC over 243?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
6mm Remington is simply ignored for no reason, therefore, cases are available. Buy Remington cases and shoot them. If the gun is built right they'll shoot good enough. If Winchester brand 6mm Remington cases are available, use them. Dies are inexpensive too.

243 Win. Adequate cases available. Dies inexpensive.

6XC Fine cases (Norma) available. Dies expensive, but only a one time expense. Proven winner of numerous matches.

Flip a coin or go with your gut.

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Interesting point about those "fine" Norma cases for the 6XC.

I'm using Lapua brass for my .243.

So, do my Lapua cases seem to be inferior to those 6XC Norma cases?

Hmmmmmm let's see, .243 with Lapua brass and 115 grain DTACs doesn't sound too bad does it?

 

[JGorski]

Re: Why go 6mm creedmoor/XC over 243?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AMMOWASTER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you have to take the bolt out to extract a loaded round then that sure sounds like it would be better suited in a long action. I would only be shooting the longer target bullets like the DTAC anyway and I was under the same impression as Rob.

6mm came as a short action from the factory but they also used a lot of lightweight varmint bullets </div></div>

You might not have read my post correctly, I said I have to seat them long to accommodate the long throat, if I was having my 6mmREM rebarreled in 6REM again Id have it throated for the 95VLD, which now has a oal of 3.119", with a new short throated chamber the round would then be 2.810" oal, then I could eject the loaded round normally.

 

[Casey Simpson]

Re: Why go 6mm creedmoor/XC over 243?


Too many shooters allow non-issues to be issues such as making a long action an issue. I've run both. After a few rounds in the long action I became accustomed to, and proficient with the long action. But then, 6Rem does not require a long action after all.

The point about "fine" xc brass was to show fire-forming isn't the only remedy for excellent cases, and that 243 is on par as well using adequate cases.

I disagree. Since 6 Rem does not require a long action that isn't why its ignored. And if it did, thats a non-issue. Long action is inconsequentially, if any, more expensive than short.

6 Rem gets ignored because novice and hobby shooters are not aware of its value, and those same gentlemen want the latest and newest without knowing latest isnt bestest.

 

[FALex]

Re: Why go 6mm creedmoor/XC over 243?

I solved my quandary: .260 Rem it is!

Not a real barrel crusher (running a bit more mild), good BC's, and energy on target.

Thanks for all the help, guys.

I better log off this damn thing before I read something else to change my mind.

 

[Rob01]

Re: Why go 6mm creedmoor/XC over 243?

Long action .308 sized case DBMs and magazines are harder to find, if you can find them, than short action and can have feeding issues which isn't a good thing. It can be used in a short action so that's a non issue but it is if someone wants to run a long action.

 

[sandwarrior]

Re: Why go 6mm creedmoor/XC over 243?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Too many shooters allow non-issues to be issues such as making a long action an issue. I've run both. After a few rounds in the long action I became accustomed to, and proficient with the long action. But then, 6Rem does not require a long action after all.

The point about "fine" xc brass was to show fire-forming isn't the only remedy for excellent cases, and that 243 is on par as well using adequate cases.

I disagree. Since 6 Rem does not require a long action that isn't why its ignored. And if it did, thats a non-issue. Long action is inconsequentially, if any, more expensive than short.

<span style="font-weight: bold">6 Rem gets ignored because novice and hobby shooters are not aware of its value, and those same gentlemen want the latest and newest without knowing latest isnt bestest.</span>

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I'd go with that factor. But for the purpose of this discussion I'd think the .243 falls into the same category? I do agree that when built right and loaded up the 6mm Rem is superior to a .243 or 6xc/Creedmoor.

For the long or short action, I will say unequivocally, that a long action will allow the full use of the cartridge.
Then again, regarding actions, I very much like my longer Mauser actions (polished turds, I've heard) as they have the room to allow long seating, and are dimensionally made for the Mauser cases. Making feeding very smooth. A M70 or 700 or any other bolt gun can do the same, but these were made specifically for this case.