woman kills unarmed man in wrong apartment

[forrestgump01]

Ex-officer Amber Guyger testifies in wrong-apartment murder trial: 'I was scared to death'

Former cop Amber Guyger allegedly mistook Botham Jean's apartment for her own.

abcnews.go.com

This whole story totally baffles me.
How do you walk into the wrong apartment, kill a unarmed man and claim self -defense. Its the Self defense part that baffles me . I totally get walking into the wrong apartment, I think that's a mistake any of use are capable of , but you don't get to just hose someone down.
I think all of her boo hoo hoo ,I'm the victim stuff is a bunch of krap . shes only sorry that shes looking at a murder charge, but I could be wrong.
Personally I think she should spend the rest of her life in jail.
Is there something I'm missing ?
She says that she was terrified !
He was walking toward me and yelling very loudly "hey" "hey" hey.

well dam, I guess walking and talking justifies deadly force.

I just look at it like my home is the one thing I won't allow to be messed with . I don't care who you are , you come in uninvited and you won't be the one claming self defense.

 

[gigamortis]

Throw the book at her. To hell with a different set of rules for them vs us peasants.

 

[acudaowner]

she will end up with a slap on the wrist . A guy would be in jail for the rest of his life if he was lucky , if you could call that lucky .

 

[Mwalex]

If this is the trial in Dallas with Amber Gyger (sp) this is a weird case. There were interesting eye witness accounts from neighbors that were odd. I don’t think the real story will ever come out but she is going away for a while.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Well if she gets off, I'd suggest everyone stay away from the actual Dallas city for awhile, because I'm pretty sure a lot of angry folks are going to want to burn the place down.

 

[lawofsavage]

“Guyger also admitted to stopping CPR to text her married police partner and lover to come help.”

And

“Guyger also testified that she didn't take her first aid kit out of her backpack to use and said she did not have any blood on her uniform or shoes.”

The way I read it is two shots were fired and one hit the victim in the torso. The above definitely won’t play well with a jury if the prosecution can/did get a doctor to testify the victim could have been saved if he had faster/better medical/emergency treatment.

 

[SkyScrapin]

She’ll get 5-10 years. Sad dead all around. No one wins.

 

[spearknives]

#believewoman #Letthemcommitmurder. she will definitely get a light sentence and walk free.

 

[theLBC]

negligent homicide. 10 years.

 

[Maggot]

If this is the trial in Dallas with Amber Gyger (sp) this is a weird case. There were interesting eye witness accounts from neighbors that were odd. I don’t think the real story will ever come out but she is going away for a while.

Ive watched this since the beginning.the guy had a large colored mat in front of his door just so no one would mistake his apartment.


"Something is rotten in Dallas." Hamlet paraphrased.

 

[W54/XM-388]

"Something is rotten in Dallas." Hamlet paraphrased.

Let's just say if Dallas happened to get nuked along with a couple other Texas cities, I'm not sure if the rest of Texas would be all that heart broken over it. ?

 

[broncoaz]

WTF?! I don’t even know where to begin with this case.

I recently had an upper end brand hotel in Houston issue me a key for an occupied room very late at night. When I opened the door I saw a suitcase on the couch, before I could just close the door and leave I saw the guy wake up and start kicking his legs trying to sit up in the bed. I yelled out “sorry, wrong room, they gave me a key downstairs” and closed the door. Maybe I should’ve just shot the guy and let him bleed out? I could’ve been scared to death, right? I was very unpleasant with the clerk and hotel manager when I got back to the lobby.

Edited to add after Threadcutter308’s post below: I always lock the mechanical lock on my hotel room door before going to sleep. After the incident above I now knock on the door before trying the key if it’s after 9pm. That night sucked, the first room they gave me the heater failed and filled my room with smoke, the second room was occupied, the third room was soaked from a water leak, the fourth room was finally ok to sleep in. Needless to say I called their corporate office to report the incompetence and blasted them on google and hotels.com reviews.

 

[Threadcutter308]

WTF?! I don’t even know where to begin with this case.

I recently had an upper end brand hotel in Houston issue me a key for an occupied room very late at night. When I opened the door I saw a suitcase on the couch, before I could just close the door and leave I saw the guy wake up and start kicking his legs trying to sit up in the bed. I yelled out “sorry, wrong room, they gave me a key downstairs” and closed the door. Maybe I should’ve just shot the guy and let him bleed out? I could’ve been scared to death, right? I was very unpleasant with the clerk and hotel manager when I got back to the lobby.

As a side note........I travel a lot and spend a lot of time in hotels. I always put out the "Do Not Disturb" sign and always lock whatever type of mechanical lock that is available. I think most people (including you) that were in your position would avoid trying to open the door upon seeing the DND placard hanging on the door. If the placard is hanging on the door and someone is still trying to get in, that would seem to be an elevated threat level. Could just be someone that had too many in the bar, but you never know.....

 

[SilentStalkr]

Ex-officer Amber Guyger testifies in wrong-apartment murder trial: 'I was scared to death'

Former cop Amber Guyger allegedly mistook Botham Jean's apartment for her own.

abcnews.go.com

This whole story totally baffles me.
How do you walk into the wrong apartment, kill a unarmed man and claim self -defense. Its the Self defense part that baffles me . I totally get walking into the wrong apartment, I think that's a mistake any of use are capable of , but you don't get to just hose someone down.
I think all of her boo hoo hoo ,I'm the victim stuff is a bunch of krap . shes only sorry that shes looking at a murder charge, but I could be wrong.
Personally I think she should spend the rest of her life in jail.
Is there something I'm missing ?
She says that she was terrified !
He was walking toward me and yelling very loudly "hey" "hey" hey.

well dam, I guess walking and talking justifies deadly force.

I just look at it like my home is the one thing I won't allow to be messed with . I don't care who you are , you come in uninvited and you won't be the one claming self defense.

Um no, you’d have to be a complete idiot to go into the wrong apart. Even in a near passed out drunken stupor at a friends apartment 1000 miles away I’ve never gone into the wrong apartment. This whole thing is complete BS. I might could see it if you were high out of your mind but I seem to recall her being clean supposedly.

 

[Threadcutter308]

Um no, you’d have to be a complete idiot to go into the wrong apart. Even in a near passed out drunken stupor at a friends apartment 1000 miles away I’ve never gone into the wrong apartment. This whole thing is complete BS. I might could see it if you were high out of your mind but I seem to recall her being clean supposedly.

Just for the record, my response above was limited to Bronco's hotel scenario.....

Now, in response to your post.......My first question would be; "how did you (Amber Guyger) gain entry to the wrong apartment ?"

If the door was locked, how the hell did she get in ?

I agree, there's something fishy going on here....

 

[Snuby642]

Don't think any special courtesy should be given at all.

Tried without bias one way or the other.

Is that not how it is supposed to work.

 

[Maggot]

Just for the record, my response above was limited to Bronco's hotel scenario.....

Now, in response to your post.......My first question would be; "how did you (Amber Guyger) gain entry to the wrong apartment ?"

If the door was locked, how the hell did she get in ?

I agree, there's something fishy going on here....

You need to search out the facts. The door was ajar...but there was also a brightly colored mat in front of it that the victim put there for that very purpose.

What I dont understand is how she justifies shooting first instead of backing out the door. She murdered a man because of incompetence and a 'shoot first attitude, and wants to slither out of it.

 

[Strykervet]

Washing machine unbalanced the other day, loud as fuck. Got the dog to barking like someone was here, you know, THAT bark. It was a new machine and hadn't done it before so it surprised me, sounded like someone was beating in the door.

First thing I thought to do was grab the rifle and charge it and go check it out.

In my case, doors locked = force required to open --> person inside is threat. Shot out. You'd find her ass horizontally in the same spot I found her ass vertically.

In the above case, I'm just going out on a limb here and assuming they had the exact same taste and personal decorator? Nothing tip 'ya off lady? None of those keen detective skills kick in for 'ya? That "other people's house" smell didn't give it away? Come the fuck on. Just tell us what the hit was over and who paid/coerced you into doing it already.

 

[7.62willdo]

Let’s pretend for a moment that he was sitting on his couch admirering his new kimber .45 when she walked threw his door and went for her gun.....
And let’s pretend that he was faster and put 2 into her brain pan before she could clear leather.....
You are deluding yourself if you do not believe that he would be in jail looking at 40 years to life

 

[forrestgump01]

Um no, you’d have to be a complete idiot to go into the wrong apart. Even in a near passed out drunken stupor at a friends apartment 1000 miles away I’ve never gone into the wrong apartment. This whole thing is complete BS. I might could see it if you were high out of your mind but I seem to recall her being clean supposedly.

well maybe I should have phrased it like this . I could see walking up to the wrong apartment and (maybe) opening the door if it's already ajar, but after that you should be aware something's wrong. I say that assuming it's dark , your preoccupied with something else , hell maybe she was texting dirty pics of herself to her boyfriend, who knows . really doesnt matter because everything after that was a total fuck up on her part.
But since I'm a complete idiot who is capable of making a mistake , and your not then kudos to you for being perfect.

 

[TACC]

Going into the wrong apartment is fishy enough for me, adding all of the other things up that she could have done and didnt do really makes it stink.

 

[hlee]

When I first moved to Houston, my company put me up in corporate housing. 4 or 5 stories that all looked the same. Sleep walking through the "take the dog out" chore, I climbed 2 flights instead of three before walking into the designated apartment. How many times do you actually look at the appt number? Anyway, the door was unlocked, like I left it, but the living room was totally different. My dog noticed right away and went to investigate. It took me a a few seconds to figure out my mistake. I said sorry to the very surprised occupant, called my dog out of the appt, and sheepishly made my way to my own appt. No one got shot, though I suppose I was entering, if not breaking...

 

[theLBC]

i'll consider the "wrong apartment" if
- the layout or path is exactly the same (on a different floor)
- there are no obvious differences, like floor or level markings or colors
- there is no other connection between the shooter and decedent

while it is hard to believe for many of us that somebody could make this mistake, we all know people that show up to work without their security badge or something you need every day. i make no assumptions about people's mental acuity.

 

[gigamortis]

Maybe the deceased was a witness against the Klintons.....

 

[Blutroop]

“Guyger also admitted to stopping CPR to text her married police partner and lover to come help.”

And

“Guyger also testified that she didn't take her first aid kit out of her backpack to use and said she did not have any blood on her uniform or shoes.”

The way I read it is two shots were fired and one hit the victim in the torso. The above definitely won’t play well with a jury if the prosecution can/did get a doctor to testify the victim could have been saved if he had faster/better medical/emergency treatment.

Interesting how few police shooting victims make it to the hospital.

 

[forrestgump01]

Maybe the deceased was a witness against the Klintons.....

Now we are getting somewhere. this dude may have had the washcloth that Hillary used to wipe down her servers . hmmmm..............!

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

love, drugs, or planned hit, has been my guess from day one.

 

[Dolomite_Supafly]

The jury should never hear she was a cop. Far too much leniency is given when they mess up.

When it first broke there were neighbors who came forward and said there was animosity by her towards him. He lived directly below her and there were several noise complaints prior to this by the officer.

Another glaring problem was the fact the department searched his home, found a small amount of MJ and tried to use it to sway public opinion of the victim. I honestly believe the MJ that was found was placed there to try to tarnish the victim to get sympathy for the shooter.

 

[hollowoutadime]

14 hr shift, I'm guessing that they will change allowing that moving forward. Doesn't fix what happened, but explains some things.



On Sept. 6, 2018, Dallas police records show Guyger worked nearly 14 hours, including being approved to work more than five hours of overtime.
That day she began working at 8 a.m. and was to end her shift at 4 p.m.

However, Guyger requested and was approved to work until 9:45 p.m. that night.

 

[beretta_man11]

I did not know the guy, but we have mutual friends as he went to the same Christian College in Henderson, TN 45min up the road) that my family went to. By all accounts that I've seen, he was a stand-up guy. Very sad deal.

 

[lawofsavage]

Millions of people in the US alone work weeks or months on end of 14 hour days every single day with no breaks

I wasn't there so I don't know what happened but according to her own testimony she basically just let the guy bleed out after one shot to the torso

that's the part that gets to me the most … if this really was a huge mistake, even an honest mistake, it seems like there was still an opportunity that the victim's life could have been saved if he received immediate medical treatment

 

[hollowoutadime]

I don't disagree with you there.

 

[Blutroop]

When I work I routinely pull 16 hr days and do 7-12 to 16s for months. Do you think I should be allowed to shoot someone in their house, not render proper aid, and act like I’m the victim? When I was in the mil occasionally I would have to stay awake a day or two and still have to pull a hour on guard when I do get to crawl into someone’s sleeping bag for the night. Should that give me free reign to not be responsible for my actions? And is this what they train cops these days, that their authority is so absolute that they can walk into someone else’s house and shoot them when they don’t comply to their command then let em bleed out? If their is any semblance of justice in this just-us system left she needs to be tried for murder.

 

[Maggot]

that's the part that gets to me the most … if this really was a huge mistake, even an honest mistake, it seems like there was still an opportunity that the victim's life could have been saved if he received immediate medical treatment

If he lived and he sued her he would own her for life and could testify. Dead its her word and no one to sue though hopefully his family will step up.

 

[W54/XM-388]

So the judge apparently told the jury they could consider a "stand your ground" defense for the woman that shot the man in his own apartment?

I'm thinking they want Dallas to burn to the ground.

 

[PinesAndProjectiles]

So she's fucking a married man AND shoots an innocent man, then let's him bleed out while she is busy sexting the fuck toy.

Dirty.

 

[theLBC]

jury came back with guilty of murder.

unless there is a motive we don't know about, i suspect this will be reduced to negligent homicide.

 

[Blutroop]

jury came back with guilty of murder.

unless there is a motive we don't know about, i suspect this will be reduced to negligent homicide.

Well the jury did their part then. Dallas will survive

 

[PinesAndProjectiles]

Well the jury did their part then. Dallas will survive

I'd wait until sentencing before I would go that far.

 

[Blutroop]

I'd wait until sentencing before I would go that far.

Your right.. I jumped the gun

 

[7.62willdo]

Read up on something called “judicial prejudice”.....

 

[RyanScott]

jury came back with guilty of murder.

unless there is a motive we don't know about, i suspect this will be reduced to negligent homicide.

She failed to retreat from a place where she was not lawfully present so she didn’t have a right to defend herself when she intentionally killed someone. Makes perfect sense.

 

[theLBC]

She failed to retreat from a place where she was not lawfully present so she didn’t have a right to defend herself when she intentionally killed someone. Makes perfect sense.

i don't think self defense is a defense for this, but what is the motive for the killing? did she know him?

 

[Snuby642]

I'm surprised, outcome was as it should be.

Maybe Dallas will not burn down.

I expect a fairly light sentence, midway at most.

 

[theLBC]

Man was guilty of color, nothing else.

perhaps she is a racist, but i wonder if this is the "motive" for the murder conviction.

 

[Mwalex]

perhaps she is a racist, but i wonder if this is the "motive" for the murder conviction.

The motive of the murder conviction is that she walked into a man's apartment, shot him, stopped administering CPR and he died. Pure and simple. I believe there are details that only Guyger and Jean know but they would not have changed the outcome. She gunned down a defenseless man.

 

[Snuby642]

Sorry, that was sarcasm .

I did not mean to imply racism.

My bad.

I will try and remove post.

 

[theLBC]

The motive of the murder conviction is that she walked into a man's apartment, shot him, stopped administering CPR and he died. Pure and simple. I believe there are details that only Guyger and Jean know but they would not have changed the outcome. She gunned down a defenseless man.

that may accurately describe what she did, but it isn't a motive.
i'm not defending her in any way, but doesn't a murder conviction typically require a motive? maybe not.

 

[Snuby642]

I bet we find out her discontinued CPR efforts sealed that decision.

It has been a long time since my training but as I remember it once initiated CPR efforts must continue till EMS shows up, you are relived or physically unable to continue.

That I belive is still in the training.

 

[308pirate]

Let’s pretend for a moment that he was sitting on his couch admirering his new kimber .45 when she walked threw his door and went for her gun.....
And let’s pretend that he was faster and put 2 into her brain pan before she could clear leather.....
You are deluding yourself if you do not believe that he would be in jail looking at 40 years to life

I would wager a large sum that he would walk free. Castle doctrine FTW