Uhhh, wut?
The fantasy of fast food workers making 70k is fucking hilarious. Lots of people the system fucked with records, and kids and the like to fill those jobs.
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Uhhh, wut?
The fantasy of fast food workers making 70k is fucking hilarious. Lots of people the system fucked with records, and kids and the like to fill those jobs.
If I could get a job paying 70k for no skills and no responsibility, I would be all over it. I guess South Carolina is really different then the rest of the world. No wonder I country is going to shit.
And like he said 136 times the only people showing up are the ones with no skillz. That means you are paying 70k to someone with no skillz which just turned your job into a no skillz needed job at 70k. At which point you are out of biz.
ok, One more time. I am trying to hire some one with no skills to train. And the people who show up are wanting 60-70k a year for this. Mainly people in the 18-22 year old range.
Been there - did that. It's all about change and being able to adapt to it when yer in business. Sad truth - there are not enough skilled workers (or unskilled workers) to fill current jobs. The solution is in the Future. I wish I knew what it was. It is supply and demand...nobody wants to pay more than something is worth but if you can't recruit the resources you have to find a way to do without /go without.
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Your welding companies must suck
Laying down a bead of slop, with less penetration than a chinaman
Just like anywhere else, you have good and bad workers. Most of those jobs are people that can't pass a piss test, doesn't necessarily mean they all suck at welding. Go on indeed and look around, it's not just my area. Check out about any utility trailer manufacturer and see what they pay. Last I checked, the union mill rights at the factories here are at $23 an hour.
Lol if they are more concerned with what workers do in their off time vs their performance at work, they should go out of biz
See how many say that when grandma who one can’t be bothered to see has a “unattended death”
People be all like less benefits, I’m like for what you fuckers steal out of my check give me some fucking ROI, I should have me senator giving my grandma a damn foot massage
Uhhh hello you are not investing you are donating. These days.
Yes, near you.
It appears some in this thread are mistakenly under the impression the whatever a particular job pays in their state/region is the same across the nation.
Average income in S.C. is about the lowest of any state on the east coast.
FF jobs pay around $10/hr for burger flippes, managers maybe $12-14/hr.
Welding jobs pay somewhere between $18-25/hr on average.
I'm well aware it changes based on location, hence, the near me comment... Even a 5 hour difference in location can mean almost double the wages for certain jobs along with a significant increased cost of living.
30 and still doing gigs and sales?
By the time I was 30, I had two kids, and was knee deep in the practice of medicine. A side gig was overtime at an ER. Every move was a step or two up. Retired making more than when I was working.
You are still hovering around the "Paper Hat" level. The kind of guy who buys a clip on tie, and becomes a manager at the Dollar Store, or Shoe Carnival. Maybe.
Lost interest in Welding. Too bad. You HAD a job. GTFO with that whining.
By the time I was 30, I had two kids, and was knee deep in the practice of medicine. A side gig was overtime at an ER. Every move was a step or two up. Retired making more than when I was working.
You are still hovering around the "Paper Hat" level. The kind of guy who buys a clip on tie, and becomes a manager at the Dollar Store, or Shoe Carnival. Maybe.
Lost interest in Welding. Too bad. You HAD a job. GTFO with that whining.
I think someone hit the nail on the head when they said pay is regional.
I still see people online complaining they are making 7.25 an hour.
Several states have minimum wage set at 12 to 15 an hour.
For "technical jobs", there appears to be a bright line on what earns more wages.
If performance of the job requires you to be "math nimble" (algebra, trigonometry, etc), those jobs have significantly grown in pay.
We raised a generation which (largely), did not have the math skills of former generations. If you find someone who can do math (with ease),
then they are a pearl. I have even met Electrical Engineers, who shock me at how little math they know. I wondered how they got their degree.
With other technical trades, I am seeing several that can't calculate a "bill of materials". They can't do the "tetris" of figuring out how to cut the individual pieces from stock, with the least wastage.
These new hires aren't your daddy's level of basic abilities.
I still see people online complaining they are making 7.25 an hour.
Several states have minimum wage set at 12 to 15 an hour.
For "technical jobs", there appears to be a bright line on what earns more wages.
If performance of the job requires you to be "math nimble" (algebra, trigonometry, etc), those jobs have significantly grown in pay.
We raised a generation which (largely), did not have the math skills of former generations. If you find someone who can do math (with ease),
then they are a pearl. I have even met Electrical Engineers, who shock me at how little math they know. I wondered how they got their degree.
With other technical trades, I am seeing several that can't calculate a "bill of materials". They can't do the "tetris" of figuring out how to cut the individual pieces from stock, with the least wastage.
These new hires aren't your daddy's level of basic abilities.
Yes.
This year’s college grads think they’ll earn over $100,000. But they're in for a rude awakening
The most realistic students were computer science majors, but even they overestimated their starting salaries by nearly 30%.
But then this:
Analysis says most U.S. workers need major pay increase to earn living wage
A health-related report that examines numerous issues for American families, such as wages and rising costs, said on Wednesday that economic security is out of reach for many people in the U.S. -- particularly women.
My buddy refuses to pay an auto-detailer 25/hr. His mechanics make slightly more than that. He doesn't want the detailers wage to undermine the mechanics. I get it.
However, he can't retain/hire detailers at 15/hr. So no/limited revenue from that income stream=less $$$ for him/new tools/raises/etc for the business.
Conversely his mechanics can barely afford to own a home. Detailer could barely afford rent here. Not hard to see them questioning why they should even bother working. Either go get new skills in higher paying fields or markets, or fuk it, stay home and HALO. To @Voudon's point, now NO ONE will do that work.
Conversely, if he paid the mechanics 75/hr and the detailer 25/hr, I (and likely others) probably couldn't afford to have my truck serviced there= less $$$ for him/business.
We're definitely getting into a predicament that's going to be painfull to get out of.
Back in the day mechanics made 50% of the labor billed.
If shop hourly rate was $60 the wrench made $30.
Very fair system, both shop and wrench profit enough to go on about life.
Something happened when now shop hourly charges are ~about~ $100-125 and the mechanic only gets maybe 25% of that.
When i worked at Crevier BMW they charged $155 per labor hour and I was only getting $31.
That was honestly a while ago...maybe 2000-2005 ish ?
But, seriously the largest most prestigious BMW dealer in the world couldn't do their people better ?
Over 325 cars thru the shop.....daily.....you know someone was pulling in more than their fair share.
Any wonder why I got out of that game ?
If shop hourly rate was $60 the wrench made $30.
Very fair system, both shop and wrench profit enough to go on about life.
Something happened when now shop hourly charges are ~about~ $100-125 and the mechanic only gets maybe 25% of that.
When i worked at Crevier BMW they charged $155 per labor hour and I was only getting $31.
That was honestly a while ago...maybe 2000-2005 ish ?
But, seriously the largest most prestigious BMW dealer in the world couldn't do their people better ?
Over 325 cars thru the shop.....daily.....you know someone was pulling in more than their fair share.
Any wonder why I got out of that game ?
The problem with this thread is that, much like I am doing now after reading two pages of it, is that people read the OP's first post and then scroll to the end of the thread and make a comment. There is context to the OPs idea that one has to read further into the thread to realize.
The OP hasn't complained about the pay. Or at least of the two pages I read he didn't. He did say he doesn't like entry level welding jobs (fare enough).
The OP's complaint is wanting more hours to work.
My advice to you is to leave North Carolina. I am from there. I left. I found that the salary for jobs is generally LOW unless the job requires a master's degree or higher. As well, the job market is flooded with applicants that have a master's degree or higher.
Search the IBEW labor union website. Places like Ohio, upstate NY and there are others. Places that are doing infrastructure upgrades to their power grids.
I'm in upstate NY. I see young men (mid 20s) making $500 per day (including per diem) as apprentice linemen up here.
People, that haven't been here, shit on living in NY. The only thing shitty about NY is a tiny sliver of beach front property in the south east corner.
Work is out there. Go get it.
The OP hasn't complained about the pay. Or at least of the two pages I read he didn't. He did say he doesn't like entry level welding jobs (fare enough).
The OP's complaint is wanting more hours to work.
My advice to you is to leave North Carolina. I am from there. I left. I found that the salary for jobs is generally LOW unless the job requires a master's degree or higher. As well, the job market is flooded with applicants that have a master's degree or higher.
Search the IBEW labor union website. Places like Ohio, upstate NY and there are others. Places that are doing infrastructure upgrades to their power grids.
I'm in upstate NY. I see young men (mid 20s) making $500 per day (including per diem) as apprentice linemen up here.
People, that haven't been here, shit on living in NY. The only thing shitty about NY is a tiny sliver of beach front property in the south east corner.
Work is out there. Go get it.
"Learn more about Universal Basic Income (or UBI)"
It's 2022 for fuck sake.. nobody should have to work.
It's 2022 for fuck sake.. nobody should have to work.
Yes.
This year’s college grads think they’ll earn over $100,000. But they're in for a rude awakening
The most realistic students were computer science majors, but even they overestimated their starting salaries by nearly 30%.www.google.com
But then this:
Analysis says most U.S. workers need major pay increase to earn living wage
A health-related report that examines numerous issues for American families, such as wages and rising costs, said on Wednesday that economic security is out of reach for many people in the U.S. -- particularly women.www.upi.com
My buddy refuses to pay an auto-detailer 25/hr. His mechanics make slightly more than that. He doesn't want the detailers wage to undermine the mechanics. I get it.
However, he can't retain/hire detailers at 15/hr. So no/limited revenue from that income stream=less $$$ for him/new tools/raises/etc for the business.
Conversely his mechanics can barely afford to own a home. Detailer could barely afford rent here. Not hard to see them questioning why they should even bother working. Either go get new skills in higher paying fields or markets, or fuk it, stay home and HALO. To @Voudon's point, now NO ONE will do that work.
Conversely, if he paid the mechanics 75/hr and the detailer 25/hr, I (and likely others) probably couldn't afford to have my truck serviced there= less $$$ for him/business.
We're definitely getting into a predicament that's going to be painfull to get out of.
Dealing with that currently for a parts guy. The company doesn't want to pay as much as what the mechanics make, yet, the mechanics spend hours a day tracking down parts. In my opinion, a good parts guy is worth as much as a good mechanic but management disagrees.
The majority of parts guys, are not high-achieving. Those which are high-achieving, certainly merit more pay than a typical parts guy.
I don't know how many times I have had to go back to get the "right part" after the parts guy (with confidence) handed me the wrong part.
I don't know how many times they have told me they didn't know any alternatives for a part (they only knew what their computer told them, and nothing more).
Not all "parts guys" are created equal.
You have over $150,000 in tools and credentials from ohh, I dunno....
ASE, Honda, Toyota, BMW, GM, Ford, Mopar, etc etc, ad nauseum ?
Yea, I didn't think so.
You look up a part on a computer screen, or if it's really old in a catalog.
You either go pull it off a shelf or call someone else to deliver it.
Don't oversell your self, it does nothing for your credibility.
BTW, you're also not responsible for making a complex machine run correctly, not getting a scratch or mark on it.......and having to deal with dipshits that define issues in this manner (and yes, I have heard this exact description from a customer before).
"I push on the foot feed and she just won't take"
Can your doctorate in parts philosophy make sense of that ?
I've met a very few *good* parts persons over the course of about 30 years.
Both of them were female <gasp!>
ASE, Honda, Toyota, BMW, GM, Ford, Mopar, etc etc, ad nauseum ?
Yea, I didn't think so.
You look up a part on a computer screen, or if it's really old in a catalog.
You either go pull it off a shelf or call someone else to deliver it.
Don't oversell your self, it does nothing for your credibility.
BTW, you're also not responsible for making a complex machine run correctly, not getting a scratch or mark on it.......and having to deal with dipshits that define issues in this manner (and yes, I have heard this exact description from a customer before).
"I push on the foot feed and she just won't take"
Can your doctorate in parts philosophy make sense of that ?
I've met a very few *good* parts persons over the course of about 30 years.
Both of them were female <gasp!>
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Another aspect of this fast moving job market is that the ones in charge of hiring that have been at the same place for 5 or 10 years are now underpaid themselves. They refuse to hire anyone at or above their pay level, so they will remain understaffed until they get a clue.
A common theme among top heavy companies that need skilled tradesmen is that they will not even spend 10 cents more an hour to retain an existing employee that does his job well. Yet, they have no problems paying the replacement the same wage as the guy that just left, plus thousands more to train him. Looks like this is the kind of management skills that a 4 year degree is good for nowadays.
A common theme among top heavy companies that need skilled tradesmen is that they will not even spend 10 cents more an hour to retain an existing employee that does his job well. Yet, they have no problems paying the replacement the same wage as the guy that just left, plus thousands more to train him. Looks like this is the kind of management skills that a 4 year degree is good for nowadays.
You're dammed if you do dammed if you don't, Jobs want drones, do if you're of an intelligence they won't want you, trying going to an interview with an MBA, you show up with a masters in anything and either the asshole interviewing will be jealous because they don't, or they'll tell you your overqualified, and then lastly they'll tell you how graduate level degrees are useless and why they don't have one. seen it all, and honestly a trade really is the way to go, but honestly its been fucked for years, was a cop once and got turned down for aviation because a woman was banging the brass, so my commercial rating meant zero, then a Navy Seal comes out of the service and tries out for the Marine unit/dive team, and he's told they didn't want the bad habits of the military on the team and so that job went to a person of color, and i mean no offence by saying that, but what was offensive is the Seal gets screwed, and this other person couldn't even swim so he told them if they didn't let him in he'd sue for racism, so guess what? the department paid for private swimming lessons so he could get in. You just gotta keep you head up and keep trying, I feel for you, its frustrating as hell.
Not very many mechanics have 150k in tools so thats a piss poor argument. With a shit parts person, you have equipment sitting in your bay tore down and not running. We have some equipment that bills over $900 an hour, do I need to do the math for you or are you smart enough to figure out that adds up real quick?
You're absolutely right about that. The money some companies waste on training new people rather than keeping their existing employees is almost comical.
I worked in an industry where the technicians wages were on average higher than the engineers we had on staff. But then when they wanted us to continue working overtime to cover the short staffing, and to keep pace with upgrades and new projects, then suddenly the overtime was limited because they didn't want to see techs end up getting paid more than management. But management didn't want to hire more techs, because they thought they were saving money by reducing manpower.
Pay now, or pay later. In the end you pay regardless.
Pay now, or pay later. In the end you pay regardless.
I genuinely wonder what would happen over 5 and 25 years if the safety net were completely removed. If all the welfare, and social safety net programs went away, like pre-1930's style, how would that effect our society? Would crime skyrocket? Death rates? How would wages change? I've seriously wondered what would happen, because all those welfare programs are over $1 trillion a year of federal spending. A lot of responses in here note that they believe that there is a lack of motivation to work a entry level, or low wage job, because they'll get paid to stay at home by the .gov. I believe that as well, so I truly wonder what the right options are. It can't be as simple as raising wages, because that will raise everything else as well. If all the sudden, everyone is making $25/hr to start (for example), then those entry level jobs have to increase their prices to increase their margins to cover the higher wages, but that's at all levels. The manufactures that make the goods the store sells has to do the same, which in turn trickles down to the consumer at any point. My personal thoughts, the push for a higher minimum wage by the fed is to get more folks to the wage level where they start paying federal taxes. Even with the standard deductions, the fed is happy to get a little bit, from a lot of people. I don't see them changing the tax code to reflect the new poverty levels with the inflation we're seeing.
I know welfare helps a lot of people, and i'm not for doing away with it, but the problem is that it should be just enough to keep people from starving and dying, but not enough to make it a viable career path.
Branden
I know welfare helps a lot of people, and i'm not for doing away with it, but the problem is that it should be just enough to keep people from starving and dying, but not enough to make it a viable career path.
Branden
Exactly! It’s a career path for many that is passed on for generations; generations that are closer together than your average working/productive person because girls are incentivized to have children from a very young age and keep pumping them out every few years to keep the money flowing. There needs to be a work requirement to section 8 and welfare; you don’t have a part time job, you don’t get it. The handouts need to be reconfigured to a hand up instead, or I know, God forbid, if you’re on welfare or some other program where you are a taker and do not have a job, you loose your voting rights because you don’t contribute to society therefore you don’t have a dog in the fight.
Well some of those programs are forced, I have to pay into SS, even though it could invest the money better myself, that’s a product I’m forced to pay into, so taking that off the table/stealing my money, not a option.
If we are going to slash services we also need to slash taxes, I’m not paying the same to get less services, even if I never use them, I already waaaay overpay for what I actually get/benefit from
19.50 here, but its going to be like twenty hours per week. Anyone who is jealous of what they are making is welcome to apply.
Holy fucking mental abortion. You should probably stick with your "garden." You somehow seem to know even less about working in a shop.
Service manger/parts man can make life so much easier and help a tech make money. Or they can do the opposite if you act like douche bag towards them.
You can get a job that pays 70k with no skills, but it requires working for the government. Private sector pays what you are worth.
20x52=1040 1040x16=16640
30x52=1560 1560x16=24960
I bet you have to be a manager to get 30 hours. Most food places are going to give you four 5 hour shifts per week, if you go over 20-25 in most states they have to offer you health insurance and other stuff now. This is all from when Obama was "creating jobs." Turing twenty 40 hour per week jobs, into forty 20 hour per week jobs.
Your hours will not be a set schedule, and the 20 hours you work each week will be at the whim of whomever writes the schedule. Then they are going to get cranky if they need to schedule you around another job, because you need two 20 hour per week jobs to make ends meet.
Or prove me wrong, and go grab your entry level 70k per year at Micky Ds.
30x52=1560 1560x16=24960
I bet you have to be a manager to get 30 hours. Most food places are going to give you four 5 hour shifts per week, if you go over 20-25 in most states they have to offer you health insurance and other stuff now. This is all from when Obama was "creating jobs." Turing twenty 40 hour per week jobs, into forty 20 hour per week jobs.
Your hours will not be a set schedule, and the 20 hours you work each week will be at the whim of whomever writes the schedule. Then they are going to get cranky if they need to schedule you around another job, because you need two 20 hour per week jobs to make ends meet.
Or prove me wrong, and go grab your entry level 70k per year at Micky Ds.
Fair enough on the social security, I don't know if social security payments are factored into the $1T spend on welfare programs, I didn't look into a breakdown of it to see if it was.
I'm not planning on social security being around by the time I get to retirement age, congress has already spend the money and turned it into IOU's that will come due at some point, and i'm sure they will blame Trump for it at that point too. We're headed for bankruptcy, the spending isn't sustainable at all.
Branden
