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Xero C1 Pro - v3.30 update
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Yeah, I want to spend money on a second unit and still not have the ability to reopen a session
I could have just kept using my Labradar instead of using the hard case for a table to pile crap on
Well damn done, jumping on this Garmin. Your presence here and obvious upgrades to software based on feedback here has not gone unnoticed…..
Thank you
PS: I too would like to be able to reopen sessions to add shots.
I agree. Merging sessions somehow on the app is probably the path of least resistance. The sessions coming over from the C1 would need some kind of common identifier or linkage to pull this off. Maybe the note field could be used.
I feel exactly the same way. If you could prename the strings in the app it would be outstanding.
If you're still curious as to why it would be useful it would make it much simpler to keep track of your shots. If you're switching rifles/ammo types ten times at the range you would have twenty strings to combine. If they were similar speeds you would have to keep paper notes to remember which strings were for which rifle/ammo. Having String 1: Rifle 1, String 2: Rifle 2 would be much easier in my opinion (and a lot of other people's opinions too it seems.)
And like you I also submitted feedback on their website. I didn't even get a response.
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sometimes I forget I’m not in the bear pit.
If you like playing with excel more power to you. I bought the xero for simplicity. I don’t see how wanting more simply is offensive to you.
There. More sentences, that should satisfy your thirst for more Doc attention.
Um, you'll have to educate me on this one. I was an early adopter of the LR, and I used it until the Garmin came out, at which time I became an early adopter of it and never have used the LR since. But I never found the ability of the LR to add to add to a previously closed session? To my knowledge, you can't do that.
Sorry, you're right. I had read this in the manual "When the LabRadar detects a projectile the velocity is recorded in the currently selected Series" and took that to mean it had the desired feature but that is contradicted by this statement "It is impossible to add shots to a previous series once another series has been started."
I never actually tried it when using the unit as touching it tended move it and misalign it or cause the power cord to come loose. Sorry, my bad.
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Here's what I found on their Support Center:
I checked the alignment diagram for this mode and its the same as measuring from the muzzle. Better be on your game if rounds have to be 5 inches near it! I believe there are safer ways to true up velocities than this method.
Well bless your heart.
Then care less this time
Oh and by the way, it’s “couldn’t care less”
Ya muppet
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I think its time to park the Lab and get a couple of the Garmin’s, a few of us have a project at hand where the down range data with the latest released technology using two units should work well.
JH
JH
It’s definitely time to park the lab radars. My understanding is even the new one doesn’t pick up bullets too well.
A couple comments on this, from my perspective. If I read the Garmin post correctly, you put the second unit at 300 yards. Most of us can certainly keep our rounds within a 5” group at 300 yards, or at least I would hope.
Secondly, the alignment directs say 5”-15” and from experience that’s not an absolute. It would be easy enough to set the second Garmin 12”-15” away and capture that information without danger.
Realize that this is really all just supposition until we can all understand better how this would work. Maybe @Garmin could provide a little insight into this so that we could all better understand how to properly place the second unit at 300 yards?
If I am satisfied with my functionality out of the box, do I ever have to update my software?
-Stan
If there isn't a way to go back into a string and add to it, I would love a method by which to "combine strings", such as when I shoot 3 different strings and once downloaded, I would love to select the three separate sessions and have them combined in order to average the whole set.
Shot with v3.32 today. 50rd string of .22lr and 40rd string of 6arc. It got them all.
I used mine in v3.32 for 80rds Monday and 65rds Tuesday with no dropped shots. Using a separate small tripod and not rifle mounted. 7PRC, two different bullets at 2900-3020.
I wonder if those shooters dropping shots are causing the unit in motion function in the unit to stop functioning until the unit is at rest. Perhaps there was a change in the parameters of the algorithm.
Just thinking out loud.
I wonder if those shooters dropping shots are causing the unit in motion function in the unit to stop functioning until the unit is at rest. Perhaps there was a change in the parameters of the algorithm.
Just thinking out loud.
Did you use two units or just moved the one down range? I’m trying to catch up on what this is.
Do you have Excel on a PC or laptop? The Garmin downloaded data is a csv file and are easily opened and manipulated in Excel.
What this does not support is shooting round robin during LD.
Did you update to the bugged update and then to the current one, or did you skip the one with the bug?
I’m wondering if folks having problems updated both separately, while folks who are not, leap-frogged to the current “fixed one”?
Uhm, sorry. I was only responding to the update working versus not. I’ve not tried the two units thing yet.
Fair point. I have mine synced to my phone and hadn’t realized that mine automatically updated until I checked what version was running. So my guess is that mine skipped the intermediate buggy version.
Updated to the 3.32 Thursday night. Went to indoor range yesterday and it missed about 10 shots. Also while not even shooting and the rifle sitting still it would flick to “analyzing 1st shot” repeatedly. Never missed a shot prior to the update.
I’ve shot at that indoor range and others and never had that happen
I’ve shot at that indoor range and others and never had that happen
Seems to me that Garmin is making too much mistakes rushing up the so called "updates" despite having recognized the missed shots issue, that allegedly 3.32 had solved...won't update my Xero until they can really do a serious and professional debugging QC of their software. A shame nonetheless. Get to work !!
Looks like it’s one case where I am glad to be a computer dinosaur and never updated mine since I got it. Not even sure how and now not going to look. lol
I will add I got a notification on the xero that it was picking up interference from either an hvac system or lighting setup that was at the range.
I removed it from rifle and placed it closer to the wall at the lane I was in and moved more towards the center of the bench u was shooting off of and it picked up all shots fired at that point.
I will try to get to the outdoor range and try to repeat the issue. There were numerous shooters while I was at the range and it never picked up a shot that would lead me to believe it wasn’t mine.
I removed it from rifle and placed it closer to the wall at the lane I was in and moved more towards the center of the bench u was shooting off of and it picked up all shots fired at that point.
I will try to get to the outdoor range and try to repeat the issue. There were numerous shooters while I was at the range and it never picked up a shot that would lead me to believe it wasn’t mine.
I have noticed that mine does better when removed from the rifle and placed at least 8-10” to the side of the barrel and 10-15” or more from the muzzle. No dropped shots, even when suppressed.
fwiw i had a similar indoor experience a year or so ago when i first bought mine; i had better luck indoors sliding the unit closer to the action.
I had dropped shots for the first time after that one update, after the newest on fixing that glitch, zero issues. Mine prompted me to do the update when I turned it on at the range, preparing for a load development session, I swear if a Garmin rep was there I would've choked the fucker out. The great part was I had 0 SD's!
I think my unit is at
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Mine is at whatever it was when I got it. Not sure where to look but when I turn it on it works and that’s all I care about. lol
As long as you don’t have the app turned on it should stay there. If you turn the app on you may get the prompt. DON’T do like my buddy did yesterday. I had warned him not to update and he understood and agreed vigorously. But then as he was setting up and pushing “OK” five times in a row to get the session open, it snuck in an update request and he pressed OK without catching it. Now he’s on 3.30 (the troublemaker). It did not go to the “fixed” 3.32 version for some reason. He did then drop 2 or 3 shots out of 17, never had any dropped before.
For some reason, mine is running 3.27, the app is ON, and I still haven’t gotten an update request, despite several outings since this started. Fine by me!
What is this app everyone speaks of?
How does the app update the unit?
(I ask as I want to know what not to do since my unit works and has never been updated.)
-Stan
How does the app update the unit?
(I ask as I want to know what not to do since my unit works and has never been updated.)
-Stan
Well, I’m not sure you can permanently save your data if you don’t use the app to pull it off the unit via Bluetooth. After 50(?) or so sessions the unit will warn you it’s overwriting the oldest session with new data. Maybe that doesn’t bug you.
I could be wrong…maybe you can somehow export from the unit directly to a laptop. My unit is not with me at the moment for me to check.
