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Well, they could spend the time adding a feature that users actually need, or... they could spend minimum effort writing a firmware update that just flashes the screen and call it down range mode in an effort to sell more units because, well, you need a second Xero in order to make use of that "feature".
Last week we released v3.30 for the Xero C1 chronograph. While adding some new functionality to simplify gathering data downrange, we introduced a bug that caused shots to be missed.
We have resolved the issue and a new version of software, v3.32 has been released today. We apologize for the inconvenience.
The new Downrange Mode in the Pro Settings can be used to verify or determine a true long range BC. By placing a second unit downrange (ex. 300 yards) and getting the velocity downrange as well as at the muzzle you can use your ballistic calculator to vary the BC until you find a match for the velocities at the distance you used. Downrange Mode will cause the display of the unit to flash black/white when it records a shot so you can more easily tell when the downrange unit has detected the shot.
I agree. Merging sessions somehow on the app is probably the path of least resistance. The sessions coming over from the C1 would need some kind of common identifier or linkage to pull this off. Maybe the note field could be used.Have it save the sessions and strings in your Shotview App... Then you don't have to worry about onboard data saving on the unit itself. Then you can simple select any string you want to continue by controlling it through the App. Would be very simple. Even the idiots at Bulletseeker managed to figure out how to make a functional app, but the product itself sucks.
So helpful and well thought out response.More data is more better. That’s why.
I feel exactly the same way. If you could prename the strings in the app it would be outstanding.Great news, but would you PLEASE, PLEASE make it so that we can re-activate a String once we have left it and come back to it, and continue to collect/add more shots to it?
It is very common to need to collect data on more than one rifle or load in a session, but a rifle or suppressor may need to cool before all data collection is finished. In this instance most people will begin to collect data on the next rifle while the first one cools, so a new session is started. When the second rifle needs to pause for cooling, the Xero will not allow you to re-open the previous session and continue adding to it. This is very inconvenient, and seems like something that would be very easy to fix. One things for sure, more people will find this useful than the BC calc option.
Thanks for listening!
It is a serous question. I get what your saying. Can you not export the data from ShotView and throw it in a spreadsheet to include multiple sessions and just do the calculations? Certainly not a simple work around but it can be done.
sometimes I forget I’m not in the bear pit.So helpful and well thought out response.
Um, you'll have to educate me on this one. I was an early adopter of the LR, and I used it until the Garmin came out, at which time I became an early adopter of it and never have used the LR since. But I never found the ability of the LR to add to add to a previously closed session? To my knowledge, you can't do that.The Labradar was a clunky system that was finicky and difficult to use that allowed itself to become outdated but even it had the option to pull up an old string and add to it.
If you're still curious as to why it would be useful it would make it much simpler to keep track of your shots. If you're switching rifles/ammo types ten times at the range you would have twenty strings to combine. If they were similar speeds you would have to keep paper notes to remember which strings were for which rifle/ammo. Having String 1: Rifle 1, String 2: Rifle 2 would be much easier in my opinion (and a lot of other people's opinions too it seems.)
And like you I also submitted feedback on their website. I didn't even get a response.
Sorry, you're right. I had read this in the manual "When the LabRadar detects a projectile the velocity is recorded in the currently selected Series" and took that to mean it had the desired feature but that is contradicted by this statement "It is impossible to add shots to a previous series once another series has been started."Um, you'll have to educate me on this one. I was an early adopter of the LR, and I used it until the Garmin came out, at which time I became an early adopter of it and never have used the LR since. But I never found the ability of the LR to add to add to a previously closed session? To my knowledge, you can't do that.
Here's what I found on their Support Center:Well, they could spend the time adding a feature that users actually need, or... they could spend minimum effort writing a firmware update that just flashes the screen and call it down range mode in an effort to sell more units because, well, you need a second Xero in order to make use of that "feature".
"offensive", "resistant"? Hardly the case. I could care less either way.sometimes I forget I’m not in the bear pit.
If you like playing with excel more power to you. I bought the xero for simplicity. I don’t see how wanting more simply is offensive to you.
There. More sentences, that should satisfy your thirst for more Doc attention.
Well bless your heart."offensive", "resistant"? Hardly the case. I could care less either way.
A couple comments on this, from my perspective. If I read the Garmin post correctly, you put the second unit at 300 yards. Most of us can certainly keep our rounds within a 5” group at 300 yards, or at least I would hope.Here's what I found on their Support Center:
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I checked the alignment diagram for this mode and its the same as measuring from the muzzle. Better be on your game if rounds have to be 5 inches near it! I believe there are safer ways to true up velocities than this method.
If I am satisfied with my functionality out of the box, do I ever have to update my software?While we don't typically comment about ongoing development, I will say that we monitor these threads and appreciate feedback about our products and applications.
That would definitely be the easiest solution to implement for Garmin.If there isn't a way to go back into a string and add to it, I would love a method by which to "combine strings", such as when I shoot 3 different strings and once downloaded, I would love to select the three separate sessions and have them combined in order to average the whole set.
Did you use two units or just moved the one down range? I’m trying to catch up on what this is.I used mine in v3.32 for 80rds Monday and 65rds Tuesday with no dropped shots. Using a separate small tripod and not rifle mounted. 7PRC, two different bullets at 2900-3020.
I wonder if those shooters dropping shots are causing the unit in motion function in the unit to stop functioning until the unit is at rest. Perhaps there was a change in the parameters of the algorithm.
Just thinking out loud.
Do you have Excel on a PC or laptop? The Garmin downloaded data is a csv file and are easily opened and manipulated in Excel.If there isn't a way to go back into a string and add to it, I would love a method by which to "combine strings", such as when I shoot 3 different strings and once downloaded, I would love to select the three separate sessions and have them combined in order to average the whole set.
I used mine in v3.32 for 80rds Monday and 65rds Tuesday with no dropped shots. Using a separate small tripod and not rifle mounted. 7PRC, two different bullets at 2900-3020.
I wonder if those shooters dropping shots are causing the unit in motion function in the unit to stop functioning until the unit is at rest. Perhaps there was a change in the parameters of the algorithm.
Just thinking out loud.
Uhm, sorry. I was only responding to the update working versus not. I’ve not tried the two units thing yet.Did you use two units or just moved the one down range? I’m trying to catch up on what this is.
Fair point. I have mine synced to my phone and hadn’t realized that mine automatically updated until I checked what version was running. So my guess is that mine skipped the intermediate buggy version.Did you update to the bugged update and then to the current one, or did you skip the one with the bug?
I’m wondering if folks having problems updated both separately, while folks who are not, leap-frogged to the current “fixed one”?
Yesterday my 3.32 versioned Garmin captured 48 of 49 my 6BR shots from a bench; avg speed 2870.
How dare you even suggest such a work around on this thread! But you are correct, its easily done in Excel.Do you have Excel on a PC or laptop? The Garmin downloaded data is a csv file and are easily opened and manipulated in Excel.
What this does not support is shooting round robin during LD.